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Favoriting July 31, 2023: Bruce Schneier, author, "A Hacker's Mind"

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Today: Bruce Schneier, author, “A Hacker’s Mind”

A Hacker’s Mind: How the Powerful Bend Society’s Rules, and How to Bend Them Back, by Bruce Schneier

schneier.com, Bruce’s website

US Air Force denies AI drone attacked operator in test (BBC, June 2, 2023): “A US Air Force colonel ‘mis-spoke’ when describing an experiment in which an AI-enabled drone opted to attack its operator in order to complete its mission, the service has said.” (It was a “thought experiment,” apparently.)




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  Bruce Schneier, author, "A Hacker's Mind"
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  Interview with Bruce Schneier      
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Listener comments!

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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi all!
  6:01pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtoniacs !
  6:02pm
SM Ken:

Hi all!
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TDK60:

Ho, Mark H.
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joe_rosevear:

Good evening!
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Webhamster Henry:

Bruce Schneier is a good guest!
  6:04pm
DanFA:

Yes, please.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Ike:

My cat caught a tiny mouse -- can I ask a question about that? Oh wait, it's a tech show, so I guess it has to be a cyborg mouse.
  6:05pm
DanFA:

↳ Ike @6:04
Is your cat a robot cat, or a flesh cat? If the former, then yes, you can ask that.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Bryant in TO:

Hi, Mark et al!
  6:08pm
Mandy:

Funny you should mention taking questions for a show. We were just saying you should do a show with Ken and Andy - answering our questions so we don’t have to ask Google!
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The Butterman:

Hack my wife…Please.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, nice to see you on the comment board this evening.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
joe mulligan:

not a specific question, but could we have an episode or time devoted to the benefits of technology vs. the risks and dangers? i.e. some people who are neurodiverse/suffering conditions may benefit more from things like AR/VR and decide it's worth the risk of privacy to be an early adopter
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Mandy @6:08
Heh interesting idea! Happy to do anything I can to get people away from using Google.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Hi Mark. I'm lurking while I make dinner. Always nice to tune in live.
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Webhamster Henry:

And financial hacking techniques are called "generally accepted accounting practices"
  6:11pm
wenzo:

This is the first I’ve heard about the cage match. Weird.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
The Butterman:

Question for Mark: should I have my phone implanted in my ass?
  6:12pm
wenzo:

You should definitely set it to vibrate if you do
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Mark Hurst:

↳ The Butterman @6:12
No. Too many butt dials. Next question.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
The Butterman:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:12
Sorry.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:10
Thanks for joining right after your show, Wendy! Hope the dinner is tasty.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ joe mulligan @6:10
Interesting idea, thanks, Joe
  6:16pm
wenzo:

This was in Punch Drunk Love!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
The Butterman:

Storage unit full of pudding.
  6:17pm
wenzo:

Adam sandler’s character is ends up with a ton of pudding & miles…
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:

Feynman has a story about Orthodox Jews saying the reason you cant flip an electric switch on Shabbos is that it might make a spark, which to them is starting a fire, which is doing work.Feynman said, if you just put a capacitor in sequence, it'll never spark. They didn't want too hear that.
  6:17pm
wenzo:

Yup
  6:17pm
Erik (VT):

Wait - isn’t that the scenario in PT Anderson’s great “punch drunk love” movie featuring Adam Sandler
At his quirky best.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ wenzo @6:17
I was gonna say! One of the watchable Adam Sandler movies!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Mark, what I've been thinking about a lot lately is, are we starting to see the tide turn regarding tech, surveillance, and how much rests on it? It seems like with Muskrat's purchase of Twitter, the backlash you covered last week in Toronto and other places, the AI failures Ken talked about two weeks ago, and the plethora of books warning against tech surveillance et al, people are starting to pay attention. Could this lead to some legislation and a more widespread abandonment of social media? Are there signs of hope? Maybe a discussion of that.
  6:18pm
Erik (VT):

Re The pudding coupon / travel scenario
  6:18pm
SM Ken:

Hang on. How does pudding turn into miles?
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and actual intelligence!
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joe mulligan:

in sales, most of my colleagues who were the most successful were the best at taking advantage of loopholes. then once management figures they are losing money paying out commissions to a rep they make a rule and name it after that rep who usurped the loophole
  6:19pm
mr 6:

McDonalds Hacks fish fillet no bread is 1.00 crispy chicken is 2.00
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The Human Wain:

Sovereign is he who decides upon the exception
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The Butterman:

You spread out all the pudding, then slide at tremendous speed to the desired libation. Simple.
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The Human Wain:

↳ The Human Wain @6:19
Schmidt
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SeaCreature:

Credit where it’s due: pretty awesome episode.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ SeaCreature @6:22
Thanks!
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Juli:

That's not how it works lol
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:17
Good question, thanks! Probably a "on the one hand, on the other hand" situation but well worth giving a shot...
  6:25pm
chresti:

Wait, so if you kill someone, you don’t go to hell?
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The Butterman:

Suicide by cop is another similar and heartbreaking method.
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Bas NL:

Killing oneself during confession would be simpler?
  6:26pm
SM Ken:

Article on the 18th century Danish “suicide - murder” hack that Bruce just mentioned:

https://sciencenordic.com/christianity-crime-death/danes-killed-to-get-killed/1462820
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The Human Wain:

↳ chresti @6:25
In almost all Xian theologies that don't believe in predestination, if you are contrite at death, then no
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The Butterman:

If I poison all the United States gold supply, then MY gold will be worth more! Wait…
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Juli:

Sigh::::{
Creating pain j creates
Hell
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The Human Wain:

↳ Juli @6:28
correct
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The Human Wain:

Why I am partial to Catholicism and the notion of purgatory
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joe mulligan:

the freeware offering from software companies changed the whole market back in the 90s, and then probably influenced current "free" ad supported consumer products like search and social media (google/yahoo/bing for searhc and facebook/twitter/instagram/tiktok for social)
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Mr. Corey LLC:

Excellent interview with an excellent guest.
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The Human Wain:

↳ The Human Wain @6:30
at the Xian buffet
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Mr. Corey LLC @6:31
Thanks!
  6:32pm
ugh…!:

Indeed … easy to sign up / hard to unsubscribe is a prolific annoyance !
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Mark Hurst:

"Addiction by Design" by Natasha Dow Schüll - recommended. Natasha spoke in Monty Hall at one of my Skeptech events back in 2017.
  6:33pm
SM Ken:

Outstanding interview Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ SM Ken @6:33
Thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
joe mulligan:

the lead-generation industry (collecting your info to be shared with advertisers) is regulated for opt-in or opt-out, but one of the shadiest sectors of internet advertising
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
joe mulligan:

the concept of AI discovered loophole hacks is INSANE, kind of like hacker fare flights but with many more uses
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ joe mulligan @6:41
Yep - things could get pretty weird.
  6:42pm
Gainstager Liquid:

hacky mchackenstein
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Juli:

Brushing teeth
Soft Fabrics
Feeling Flowers
Summer Vibrant Evenings
Dreamscapes
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
The Butterman:

I can to that… I put on one shoe, then I put toothpaste on my tooth brush, then I clean the litter box, then I go get milk, then I start the shower, then I put my laundry in the dryer, then I …this is normal behavior and thinking. Typical day.
  6:44pm
SM Ken:

Breakout!!! I was such an addict
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Juli:

Wow. tho
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chresti:

↳ The Butterman @6:43
What about shoe #2?
  6:45pm
SM Ken:

Steve Jobs designed Breakout. Last thing he did before Apple
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The Butterman:

↳ chresti @6:44
Show number two is down for the count as I stepped in nasty dog poop earlier today! No joke.
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Chris from Brooklyn:

Can we have Bruce on every week as a permanent guest?

Thx Bruce.
  6:47pm
Gainstager Liquid:

2010 vs. 2020
  6:49pm
Gainstager Liquid:

Joe Rogan used to talk about a Judgement Day T2 level apocalypse.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Bruce. Interesting thoughts.
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joe mulligan:

I had to stop subscribing from Adbusters magazine because it was only "we're all gonna die" messaging/tropes. just made you feel bad about living on the planet
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Webhamster Henry:

That's a nice hopeful way to end the book, but actually we are all going to die.
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Chris from Brooklyn:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51
Immortality is overrated
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joe_rosevear:

That was interestingly depressing!
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Juli:

↳ Chris from Brooklyn @6:52
I disagreee I rather be a fairy::but I dig humans too
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Webhamster Henry:

AI's can discover hacks because they can try billions of possibilities and not suffer from making mistakes. It only needs to make one successful hack!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
chresti:

LOL
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Mike Sin:

I saw the documentary on the dude who tried to cash in his 7 million Pepsi points for the jet!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Mike Sin:

I think it was called "Dude, Where's My Jet?" on Netflix.
  6:56pm
sophistikitsch:

Pepsi, where's my jet?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

The Pepsi jet is kinda like when Bart Simpson called KBBL and demanded the elephant! Thus we have Stampy.
  6:58pm
wind:

Hahaha that was an interesting story!
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The Butterman:

↳ The Butterman @6:46
Fun stuff, Mark. Thanks.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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joe mulligan:

thanks for a great show Mark and fun chat evryone!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Thank you as always, Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:59pm
Gainstager Liquid:

Bruce Schneier vs. the sociologist that everyone loved in the '10s
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Chris from Brooklyn:

↳ Juli @6:53
After the first few centuries it’s really just a rinse repeat drag
  6:59pm
Gainstager Liquid:

he does the podcast with Rick Rubin
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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Coach32sm:

1- 2 -5- 4 Prog me up
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