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A New Frontier for Travel Scammers: A.I.-Generated Guidebooks (by Seth Kugel and Stephen Hiltner for NYT, Aug 5, 2023): “A recent Amazon search for the phrase ‘Paris Travel Guide 2023,’ for example, yielded dozens of guides with that exact title. One, whose author is listed as Stuart Hartley, boasts, ungrammatically, that it is ‘Everything you Need to Know Before Plan a Trip to Paris.’ The book itself has no further information about the author or publisher. It also has no photographs or maps, though many of its competitors have art and photography easily traceable to stock-photo sites. More than 10 other guidebooks attributed to Stuart Hartley have appeared on Amazon in recent months that rely on the same cookie-cutter design and use similar promotional language.”

• Zoom is listening in to your calls, to train its AI. Via Elizabeth Ayer:



Eight Months Pregnant and Arrested After False Facial Recognition Match (NYT, Aug 6, 2023): "Ms. Woodruff is the sixth person to report being falsely accused of a crime as a result of facial recognition technology used by police to match an unknown offender’s face to a photo in a database. All six people have been Black; Ms. Woodruff is the first woman to report it happening to her."

You can say no to a TSA face scan. But even a senator had trouble. (by Shira Ovide in Washington Post, July 11, 2023):
The TSA declined to publicly disclose its analysis or how the accuracy compares with those of human TSA agents.

Even small error rates could affect many people. If the TSA software verified IDs for the nearly 2.3 million people it is screening on average each day, a 3 percent error rate translates into more than 68,000 people a day.

If you believe the facial recognition machines messed up your ID check, you can request a TSA agent to do the verification, the agency said.



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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Tequisitors!
  6:00pm
Rolando:

A big hello to the resistance, greetings everyone
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Webhamster Henry:

Today: ❓ and ⁉️
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techies!
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listener james from westwood:

Hi ho, Mark and all!
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Deano de los Muertos:

hello Mark and techtachyons
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brainiac:

NASA's James Webb telescope has spotted a giant question mark object in deep space: www.reddit.com...
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Webhamster Henry:

This AI Guidebook thing reminds me of the literally dozens and dozens of automatically genned "music" apps that were basically playlists turned into legal apps in the early app store. These overwhelmed legit music apps like mine.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Hey Mark and friends! On the Vermont librarian email list to which I subscribe, they were discussing the item at the top of the "listener questions" list. There's also bogus children's books. UGH! sonderbooks.com...
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TDK60:

Hello, Mark. Questions, questions.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Song: "Mark answers listener questions"
There' a news story about a compostable circuitboard design, but clearly, the horse has left the barn.
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herb.nyc:

Yay. I can enjoy show in peace. Just washed veggies. And one of my fav tees, Billy Bragg “talking w the taxman about poetry”, bought in the 80s
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
  6:06pm
Rolando:

I often wonder why we have such a long intro 20 shows equals one hour of intro? I never tire of the intro it’s just that I’m looking forward to the chatter following. 😊
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tim:

Hey Mark! Looking forward to the show tonight!
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ultradamno:

Courtney would take that as an act of war!
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tim:

Mark! Since when do you cowtow to corparite interests like Bodenheim Industries?!?! My faith is shaken!
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PolakSlovak:

Hi Mark and technoids :) hope you're all keeping well!
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herb.nyc:

Japan? Mark is turning Japanese 🎶?
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PolakSlovak:

I meant to email!!
My last-minute question: when you have friends who are so unaware (they work in the FB ad department, or own an Alexa) how can you begin to discuss Techtonic topics with them, or bring these things up, respectfully?
  6:09pm
Androu B.:

Hi Mark & Technocrats!

Anybody know if there are any union strikes going on now that are directly affecting the tech sector?
  6:11pm
Little Danny:

Hello Mark hello all!
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Dance the Blues:

We know why because the oil and auto industry remade the country to be car centric post WW2
  6:11pm
Rolando:

Referring to the music proceeding marks intro chatter which often goes over the intro music. It was merely a comment. I certainly wasn’t expecting that answer. I asked this question before mark suggested asking questions on the comment board 😀
  6:11pm
yippie:

I don't mind dumping on Amtrak because America's train system is embarrassing and a national disgrace
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Webhamster Henry:

For a lot of mass transit, the US is really embarrassing. I'm looking at you, NY International Airports.
  6:12pm
theimann:

Japan is the size of Florida.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Amtrak is SO woefully underfunded in the USA. That said, air travel is hugely subsidized by the govt, but, I've always found Amtrak to be more on-time than airplanes.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Listener mailbag! 📮
  6:13pm
chresti:

Who pays for the cleaning?
  6:14pm
Jackie G:

Time for one more question. Maybe two
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Dance the Blues:

Oil and gas is heavily subsidized in the USA!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Webhamster Henry:

My son gets Bokksu, for your unboxing pleasure : www.bokksu.com
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tim:

Do they still carry Creem in Japanese 7-11s?
  6:15pm
Jackie G:

William Gibson writes about the 7/11 in Japan quite a bit. In a freaky kind of way.
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The Butterman:

I got one of them phone zombies on my tee shirt
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Mennlinn Rebarts:

↳ theimann @6:12
Japan is 2.5x Florida by total land area.
  6:16pm
wolfingham:

Onigiri can be had at Midoyriya in Park Slope
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Ciggy:

I'm washing your Zombie Techtonic t-shirt right now!
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TDK60:

Today I ran into several humans who weren't even phone zombies. Just plain zombies. Do people realize anymore there are other people on the sidewalk that they shouldn't wander into? That's a question.
  6:17pm
Rolando:

I read somewhere that the United States government is 40 to 50% less sufficient at managing money than they used to be 30 or 40 years ago. That might explain some of the complaints about public industry. When you think that London was built around an existing population continuing to live without complaint The underground rail and sewerage was built without interference to a thriving community.
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egould:

My local 7-11 usually has a shirtless meth head by the entrance, a busted up red SUV with one door open and a shoeless foot sticking out of it, discarded fentanyl foils, and seagulls.
  6:18pm
Listener:

Think of the tech capital of America, San Francisco, where the sidewalk is a literal toilet.
Solutions ANYBODY?...What's the real problem? Hmmmm
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ultradamno:

Onigiri packaging

i.pinimg.com...

farm7.static.flickr.com...

mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net...
  6:18pm
theimann:

so, Florida + Georgia?
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ wolfingham @6:16
Onigiri are indeed tetrahedra.
  6:18pm
Jackie G:

↳ TDK60 @6:17
That happens quite often. Humans devolving
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Dance the Blues:

↳ TDK60 @6:17
Let them bounce off of you
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DjLorraine:

I appreciate the show and listeners.
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Ciggy:

How bad is my neighborhood when our seven eleven can't make a profit and moves out.
  6:21pm
Rolando:

Catherine++
  6:21pm
Listener:

Climate change. lol
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The Butterman:

A large percentage of us ‘mericans are revolting slobs. Littering eejits. To use our friend’s Fred and Alan’s terminology, “ rotten to the core”
  6:21pm
Jackie G:

↳ Ciggy @6:20
Concentrating their efforts in Japan
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Dance the Blues:

US gov is populated by septuagenarians still figuring out how to log on. No shot they regulate tech.
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Ciggy:

↳ Jackie G @6:21
Big William Gibson fan.
  6:23pm
Listener:

↳ The Butterman @6:21
Revolting slobs?
Are you referring to Walmart?
  6:24pm
Jackie G:

I bet some of those comments on WaknBake are AI generated
  6:24pm
Androu B.:

The only "existential threat to humanity" that truly exists, has existed for as long as history has been made, and will continue to exist as humanity progresses, is...

PARANOIA!
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The Butterman:

↳ Listener @6:23
No. But I’m sure you can find some there. Just as many at the country club though.
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Webhamster Henry:

AGI will be where the AI has its own ideas and questions, and goes out trying to answer them. It'll email appropriate people and write, "Hey, you know that math problem you discussed in that email I spied on? Well, here's a proof for you."
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TDK60:

↳ Dance the Blues @6:19
Dance the Blues & Jackie G: Thanks for your responses. I wonder if such people would even notice, say, if Godzilla was heading down the avenue.
  6:25pm
Jackie G:

↳ Ciggy @6:23
such a good writer. He predicted much of the mess in the world today.
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Bas NL:

I think we should worry about unintentional effects. Online systems getting hacked and disabled. There are examples of that already.
  6:26pm
Androu B.:

↳ Androu B. @6:24
Strike that...GREED is the greatest existential threat to humanity...period.
  6:27pm
Listener:

↳ The Butterman @6:24
Think of a solution and get back to us
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Rolando:

Right now, there's no AI. There's just someone else's work. There's no cloud. There's just someone else's computer. AGI is merely vapourware and a vocal threat against creation.
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tim:

Good question, Joe.
  6:28pm
Jackie G:

↳ The Butterman @6:21
ChatGBT ?
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egould:

Violence can not be mitigated by technological advances.
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tim:

And thanks for tackling difficult questions, Mark.
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The Butterman:

↳ Listener @6:27
That may take a while. I’m bringing g silly with my above comment. I just mean we litter a lot. Physical trash.
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Webhamster Henry:

Adhesive stamps were in Europe years before they were in the US.
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Rolando:

↳ egould @6:29
True - I work in a school K to 12 and I am aways being asked to use technology to modify student behaviour and my answers it this that "Student Behaviour" is the role of a teacher not the IT Manager, and technology should not be used this way.
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chresti:

sheesh
  6:34pm
Listener:

Unfortunately, I rarely ever hear solutions on this show. So much complaining with a no hope attitude. I know there's a word for this style of demoralization... Hmmmm Don't get mad. Prove me wrong.
  6:35pm
yippie:

a lot of astrologers are also complaining that starlink is messing up their aquarius stuff
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Rolando:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:25
Yeah true!! and we can only imagine how our government will use this to keep us in line. Imagine the TAX MAN with this sort of AGI Tech.
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tim:

How much damage will 42,000 satellites to the atmosphere?
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herb.nyc:

Starling satellites- back to Billy Bragg who sings of making a wish upon a star. Then He wonders, was it a satellite he saw? “is it wrong to wish on space hardware”🎶
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ultradamno:

They did finally get changed from 'tweet' to 'post'
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Bas NL:

The stuff of science fiction.
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tim:

↳ Listener @6:34
Listen closely to Mark’s sign off for some ideas to help improve the issues discussed. A total solution but it’s something I’m able to do in my life.
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herb.nyc:

Powerful Musk! Let’s draft him into army. He’s a private. Then we order him to use his satellites (& other technology) to help us.
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chresti:

Maybe Musk will launch himself into space
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TDK60:

A solution. We could end war and just have the remaining militaries transition to removing the space junk. Recycle the metal and electronics. For use on the Moon or something.
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iiibeat:

RFK JR has it right by suing google and youtube. They are much more than private companies.

Same with Starlink. More than private.
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dano59:

Maniacs gonna megalo
... Screw that guy.
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tim:

↳ chresti @6:38
Yes, then move the planet so he can’t find his way back.
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herb.nyc:

↳ TDK60 @6:38
Song “last night I had the strangest dream”. ie, world peace
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ultradamno:

You should have seen the tweets (they still were then) on the trending topic of his birthday...you see less effusive praise of Kim Jong Un on the Korean news
  6:40pm
jkl:

Thank you Mark (and the listeners asking such insightful questions). Just to add one thought: a concept that is NEVER discussed when the perennial topic of what good tech, innovation, and policy comes from war is to seriously consider the innovations that would have occurred (that we will never know)
had the tremendous human and fiscal expense had not gone down the drain (and into the pockets of warnographers and other profiteers during wars.
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egould:

↳ Rolando @6:32
Thanks for your response. To expand on my comment, I meant the human suffering caused by the violence of war, can not be offset by the benefits of technological advances developed during that war. War is bad. Tech advances are good. But war is more bad.
The ideal would be to preserve human capital by not sending men to kill each other, and apply that capital to improving the world, peacefully.
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Ciggy:

I read that facial recognition article in the NYTIMES. Shake my head. Shameful. Handcuffed, Held fir 11 hours questioning. For what carjacking & robbery while eight months pregnant. Yeah, that's what I call a fun nights out.
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tim:

Wendy! Wendy! Wendy!
  6:42pm
Androu B.:

↳ chresti @6:38
I'm sure the day Bezos launched his rocket, he must have said to himself, "If it's good enough for Bezos, it's good enough for me!" Give him some time. He'll announce it to all of us once he feels he's ready.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Thanks for the plug and for reading my question, Mark! I'm cooking / lurking.
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Ciggy:

I heard Musk is hiring people who were banned from Twitter (maybe other platforms) on their trolling of wokeness.
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PaulRobeson1923:

Can you resist the T.V?
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PaulRobeson1923:

Hi Ho Hi
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ultradamno:

I saw plenty of people, and I'm not talking Trumpies, defending TikTok from Biden when he brought that up...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
tim:

↳ ultradamno @6:45
Exactly! Schumer,the head of the “morally superior” party put the kabosh on legislation.
  6:47pm
Androu B.:

Just to show how smugly Musk carries out his business ventures, he's putting his SpaceX brand on Tesla cars now. What other possible purpose can that serve besides shameless self-promotiomn?
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Ciggy:

Big Amazon warehouse project almost complete in Hawthorne, NY on Rte 9A.
  6:49pm
Jackie G:

Mark getting mad now. Good
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tim:

This is a positive: amazons grocery stores are failing.
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PolakSlovak:

Better option, rather than Zoom:
whereby.com
  6:51pm
Jackie G:

Privacy is a lost art
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Bas NL:

Zoom is no exception. Cloud services often claim ownership of work you put on their platform.
  6:53pm
Androu B.:

↳ Jackie G @6:51
Privacy is not an "art". It's a personal right.
  6:53pm
wenzo:

What mark said
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egould:

All business calls are private. I discuss sensitive financial data on Zoom. The banks I work with need to pressure Zoom to cut that shit out. It seems like Zoom calls definitely violates Wells Fargo cybersecurity protocols. I’m sure it violates most bank’s policies.
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tim:

What the fuck? There been about 3 car jacking arrests in the history of car jacking s in Detroit.
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tim:

↳ tim @6:53
And then the moron cops go after a pregnant woman.
  6:56pm
Jackie G:

↳ Androu B. @6:53
Yeah, but someone or something is always watching you. Its almost an art to achieve privacy.
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egould:

↳ tim @6:55
Which is why government is not the solution to problems. Cops = Government.
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Deano de los Muertos:

Thanks Mark, great show
  6:57pm
Listener:

Nothing beats flying private jet!!!
I assure you
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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tim:

Thanks, Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm
?:

↳ egould @6:17
But you can get two bananas for a dollar, e.
  Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chrisw:

Whole lot of great stuff today. Good stuff!
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egould:

Thanks Mark. Got some discussion going in the Gould household.
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TDK60:

Do I thank thee, Mark? Indeed.
  6:58pm
Jackie G:

Love this hour with Mark. Mark is the best. Even with the homework.
  6:58pm
Listener:

No scans when flying private.
Of course
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PolakSlovak:

Thanks Mark–great show. Have a nice week all!
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tim:

↳ Listener @6:58
Do your arms get tired though?
  6:58pm
wind:

Fantastic show Mark!
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Rolando:

I am considering contacting our Australian Road and Traffic Department and requesting my Facial and Car Registration and Tracking information under the Freedom of Information ACT - if such a thing even exists in Australia. Camera's are appearing everywhere along our roads now.
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chresti:

↳ tim @6:58
Lol
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egould:

↳ tim @6:58
Ha! Good one.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Looking forward to reading your comments and questions.
  7:00pm
g00berz:

Well it sure ain’t Fugazi
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tim:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:59
Thanks again, Mark!
  7:00pm
Androu B.:

↳ Jackie G @6:56
You can find plenty of privacy out in the boonies, if your willing and able to take the trip.
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Rolando:

Loved the show
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