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Favoriting April 3, 2023: Roger guest-hosts: Gen Z Speaks (about social media)

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Artist Track Label Comments Approx. start time
Cisco, age 22, senior        0:00:00 (MP3 | Pop-up)
Kayla, age 23, recent graduate    https://kaylabugeya.myportfolio.com/    0:11:12 (MP3 | Pop-up)
Adam, age 25, senior        0:21:59 (MP3 | Pop-up)
Jiwon, age 23, recent graduate        0:29:50 (MP3 | Pop-up)
Hasan, age 24, senior        0:37:36 (MP3 | Pop-up)
Mengwe, age 22, junior        0:47:13 (MP3 | Pop-up)
Jiwon  Afraid of Love (demo)   Favoriting Jiwon links. https://instagram.com/jiwons.ig?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= https://www.tiktok.com/@jiwonstiktok?_t=8bC2Z  Producer Nano Robert links: https://instagram.com/nanerts1k?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= https://www.tiktok.com/@nanoroberts?_t=8bCi3vtKuRe&_r=1igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=   


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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Roger and all the Techyons! We're getting Dipt!
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chresti:

Hi Roger and tech recess!
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Bas NL:

Hi Roger! Hi all!
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Webhamster Henry:

Double Dip Tonic!
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Carmichael:

Recess or tech??
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love2laf:

Hi Roger, get in here, and double dip the Mark Hurst. Off to dinner, but happy to catch a hot minute to say hi.
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Carmichael:

What happened to Gen Y?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
joe mulligan:

what a great idea for the show, thanks Roger!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Franco Twinkie:

I'm scared! It's already sounding like a math problem.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Carmichael @6:02
millenials are also gen Y
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Webhamster Henry:

I've figured out I'm Generation P (born in 1823)
  6:05pm
Toothgrinder Tom:

Will Ursa be expounding on the dangers of facial recognition software later?
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Carmichael:

My intern has never spoken on a landline telephone, and is scared to do so.
  6:06pm
Toothgrinder Tom:

(Just joshing around.)
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Franco Twinkie:

I'm Generation CF - complete failure.
  6:07pm
chresti:

My son was born in 88, is he a Y?
  6:09pm
g00berz:

Ugh, Gen Z….
  6:10pm
g00berz:

Why do all these kids have vocal fry and/or use up speak?
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lazy pierogi:

↳ chresti @6:07
88 is millennial...i was also born in 88! :)
  6:10pm
g00berz:

Croaky
  6:12pm
Dean:

Thank the lord for up speak! It sure beats NPR's trademarked down speak.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Franco Twinkie:

I damage relationships without the aid of social media. It's easier than you think.
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Franco Twinkie:

Kayla sounds like she has her feet on the ground.
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coelacanth∅:

sadly, very few people these people's age will wake up to their zombieness in the near future, if ever.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Handy Haversack:

Abundant self-reflection from both the people who have shared their time and thoughts with us.

Though the best way to get "them" to take away TikTok is just to dump TikTok.
  6:20pm
Cooh John:

This was the argument against TV when I was a child. Just turn it off and play outside with others.
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Fredericks:

I always took Doom Scrolling to be wallowing in an endless bad news cycle.

But the way I hear people use it these day, it seems to have a different meaning.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

Really nice discussion. Thank you, Roger and Kayla.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
joe mulligan:

I don't doom scroll so much, but def keep "channel checking" email to IG then Slack and then WFMU comments. thankfully the wfmu comments are most engaging.
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Crank Rumpkin:

87 here. Quit social media. Life is good. Teach middle school in the Bronx. Oh my God these kids and the net - no bueno. Neil Postman's The End of Childhood rapidly coming true. But we've stopped building a real world for people and kids. Were not building an alternative for them to turn away from. Easy to rail against, lots of immediate hip cred to hating on the Apps, but there's no offline vision of the world and what we want it to be outside of consumerism and The Entertainment ®

Unsolicited book recs: The Twittering Machine. Age of Misinformation. The Net Delusion. The Cult of Information. Technopoly.
  6:23pm
Dean:

The skepticism of the new printing press post-Gutenberg was, I think, very different from this. Then, print = information/knowledge = authority/power. Rulers did not want the plebeians accessing it. Now, rulers and their "capitalist outlook" precisely want people to access their tools.
  6:23pm
Robm:

After hearing these students i am so glad i am not on social media, this station is the extent of it
  6:25pm
Cooh John:

Is this Wild Palms coming to reality?
  6:25pm
Marie in Queens:

Hey Roger, great idea for a show
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Handy Haversack:

For those who don't know what a dark room is? Ouch.
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Crank Rumpkin:

That hurt
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Roger:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:25
I made him go back and say that.
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:25
Yeah, that sure stuck out for me.
  6:27pm
Dean:

"Kids." The meaning of that word is broadening, and not for the better.
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MarciB:

Wow- I'm recalling my years as a custom darkroom printing technician in the 80s. I'm glad Adam has discovered the magic of analog and has quit social media.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Roger @6:26
Ha! I understand. I have a good friend who's a photog. prof. at CCNY and so also teaches kids the same age the same tech. I just hadn't contemplated that many younger people just have no experience of dark rooms.
  6:28pm
Dean:

A teacher in my junior high school taught photography during the summer. I took the class, '71 or '72.
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Roger:

thanks for being here
Handy!
Chresti!
Bas NL!
Carmichael!
love2laf!
Joe Mulligan!
Franco Twinkle!
Webjhamster Henry!
Toothgrinder Tom
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Roger:

↳ Toothgrinder Tom @6:05
ooh, a missed opportunity
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Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:28
Stores that sell film cameras... I haven't seen one in years. My late uncle, avid wildlife photographer and had a darkroom in his house.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ @6:29
"You go to B&H"?
  6:30pm
Cooh John:

Handy, I spent hours in the darkroom. Built one from the ground up. My safelight was a string of red Christmas lights.
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D Rok:

This was a great idea Roger.
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Roger:

g00berz!
Dean!
coelacanth∅!
Cooh John!
Fredericks!
PeterFBfDNJ!
Crank Rumpkin - Love Postman
Robm!
Marie!- thanks!
Jeff!

glad you folks are here!
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Franco Twinkie:

Adam is exceptional. He'll do well banging two rocks together, because he as an analytical mind that never rests.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Roger:

↳ MarciB @6:28
Many many schools got rid of their darkrooms when digital appeared.
  6:33pm
Dean:

What art do you teach, Roger? Art practice? History?
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Webhamster Henry:

My high school built a new arts building about 20 years ago and put in nice darkrooms that were just about obsolete by the time the building was up. But the kids still can do chemical photography if they like!
  6:33pm
middle aged:

Thank GAWD I am not a child of the past 20 years. Social media makes me barf.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Roger:

↳ D Rok @6:32
D Rok Thanks
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Roger:

↳ middle aged @6:33
ha
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Roger:

↳ middle aged @6:33
barf is such a great word
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G:

Lotta uptalking tonight :-)
  6:35pm
Cooh John:

Good idea and execution, Roger. My new t-shirt: Virtual reality, not the real thing.
  6:36pm
Dean:

Do the students ever discuss *other* sources of learning? Books? Experience? Hanging with friends? My 12yo daughter has "learned" about old cultural artifacts thanks to TikTok. I'll play music from my youth and she'll report that she knows it from TT.
  6:36pm
Dean:

Has anybody ever confessed, "I do spend too much time reading"?
  6:37pm
farter:

My friend’s 15 year old spent all day on Tik Tok today. He must be so proud.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Roger and multi-generational units!
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Carmichael:

Up speak is a series of endless questions and stream of consciousness babble. Kerouac was ahead of his time.
  6:37pm
Joe Mulligan 🦀:

Uptalk for now and then vocal fry later with Dan Bodah tonight!
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Juli:

Oof this is a nightmare
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Bas NL:

Zzzzzzzz....
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Juli:

I had to turn it off it felt like listening to tales from Hell lol
  6:38pm
Dean:

I attended a lecture today by Paul Duguid. It was drawn in part from this book:
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691179544/information

Useful for all interested parties.
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Dean @6:36
That's hilarious! Reading as a shameful pursuit.
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MarciB:

I don't have kids but have nieces and nephews ages 13-30 that I am so concerned about with their social media consumption. And also some of their parents are addicted too!
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Juli:

Ahhhhhh I need something wholesome and unique rn
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Ken From Hyde Park:

What's the optimal number of hours per week to spend tweaking one's Geocities page?
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merl ravenscroft:

we gotta get the kids hooked the WFMU comments board
  6:42pm
Cooh John:

Franco, I read a book a month.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:41
Come on, Ken. Angelfire or nothing!
  6:42pm
Dean:

So far, I've not heard any evidence for Hasan's remark that "History moves so much quicker" [sic]. Quicker than what? Than the history through which I lived as a young adult? How so?

Nevertheless, I have confidence in our youth, in part because I work with them and I have two kids and I know that the doomsday story is perpetuated by old farts like me.
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Carmichael:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:41
Between that and my Angelfire pages, I'm busy 24/7
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Carmichael @6:43
Playing both sides!
  6:43pm
MOMMOMMOM:

So thankful for this discussion. I’m saving this particular episode to show my kid when the time comes to allow her onto devices. The young people, who can critically think about about “phones”, and the myriad temptations that come with them, will mean a lot more to her than anything I’ll say. Parents now really have their work cut out for themselves.
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Carmichael:

I owe you a Pepsi, Handy
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ merl ravenscroft @6:42
So true

Hi Hi Hu
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Franco Twinkie:

Social media is now considered an addiction on the spectrum of all other aberrant behavior. That's a breakthrough, right?
  6:45pm
Dean:

Capitalism isn't about "outlooks" or "mindsets"! It's about "ownership of the means of production" and related material arrangements. It's not a hegemony of opinions.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Carmichael @6:43
It's all I wanted.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:44
I think it's more important to recognize that social media companies intentionally employ addictive methodology.
  6:46pm
Cooh John:

Dean, I think Hasan is referring to the phenomenon pointed out in Toffler's "Future Shock".
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Richy4619:

This show is such the antidote.
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Carmichael:

Even my wife sees an ad on Facebook and says, "That's so weird, I was just talking about that."
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MarciB:

What's going to happen-eps t to the kids - when Apple, Goggle etc stops making phones and only offers their spyware googles?
  6:47pm
Dean:

I read--more like, skimmed--Toffler when it was a bestseller, a paperback resting on my mom's bed stand.
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2/3 of the Perrin Family:

great show, thank YOU!
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chresti:

SAVE US HASAN
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PaulRobeson1923:

I wana hear about how the kids are buying drugs on the internet
  6:49pm
Dean:

Truly, I worry more about how older adults deal with all of this. Kids and young adults like the interviewees--they are adults, for crying out loud--at least know that one can't be too skeptical.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Roger:

The Social Dilemma should be required viewing. Really important.
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Dean @6:49
The idea of childhood is historically contingent
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MarciB:

↳ Roger @6:49
Agreed!
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Dean @6:45
It's also aspirational as a personal stance with a glamourous sheen like never before. Screen enhanced envy is rampant.
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Crank Rumpkin:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:45
The old are really addicted, especially the lonely. You see how empty the experience is and that we're all being left to. It's Bowling Alone on steroids
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Carmichael:

My friends ask me if I have a cell phone. I tell them I do, and it's in my pants pocket.
  6:51pm
Dean:

I have the benefit of being a misanthrope. Why would I ever want to use a tool that allows me to communicate with more people?! (He says on a comment board in conversation with a bunch of people he doesn't know...)_

At this point in history, however, a 23 year old student IS an adult, contingently, but that's we have to work with.
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merl ravenscroft:

THE Algorithm :(
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Fredericks:

Hasan sees what's going on. The problem is figuring out how to address it when the bad guys have most of the people's attention.
  6:52pm
Dean:

"The problem is figuring out how to address it when the bad guys have most of the people's attention."

Now there's a perennial problem.
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Carmichael @6:51
I love whipping out my flip phone in a busy cafe!
  6:52pm
Helena:

Luddite over here
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Carmichael:

I'm one of those guys in Gataca, who live off the grid.
  6:54pm
Dean:

Mengwe gets to graduate early.
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merl ravenscroft:

at least we have wfmu to keep us warm at night
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Dean @6:51
I agree! When u are able to read and drive a car- you are legally and in actuality an adult— however nowadays - many people are like children in their minds -
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Richy4619:

Reaaly appreciate you handing the mic over to some smart young ppl.
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Franco Twinkie:

Flaunt your refusal - die unplugged.
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MarciB:

Mengwe is my hero
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Ben Franklin was an adult at 7 years old
  6:55pm
Dean:

In my mind, PaulRobeson1923, I'm a sumo wrestler. Still, I'm not a sumo wrestler.

Franklin, Mozart, Booker Little...they don't count!
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Dean @6:55
I’m bastardizing Neil Postman
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StringOFperils:

Mengwe, I see a mirror and a can of Red Bull in your future, and ...no...wait...ahhhh.....I see you are a sailor.
  6:56pm
Dean:

Sorry about that, PaulRobeson1923, all of my ideas are original.
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Carmichael:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:55
Lauren Boebert is still not an adult.
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Dean @6:55
www.goodreads.com...

This is what i am BUTCHERING
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Fredericks:

↳ Dean @6:47
I read a couple of his books long ago. As I recall he was rather optimistic about having computers in our home. I think he thought they would be liberating, not addicting or being used as tools of surveillance.

I could be remembering incorrectly.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Roger and interview subjects.
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Dean @6:56
I love U : FMU
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Franco Twinkie:

Sleep more, type less.
  6:57pm
Dean:

Why is it derogatory to call somebody "not an adult," i.e., a kid?
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Bas NL:

This is a fantastic show. A time document. Thanks for gathering these stories Roger!
  6:58pm
Cooh John:

I don't tweeter. I am not a twit. Never did, never will.
  6:58pm
Dean:

For writers, Fredericks, who model that trend, see Howard Rheingold, Jonathan Zittrain, and Yochai Benkler, among others. The hype is thick.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Franco Twinkie:

Thank you Roger. I'm going outside to stare at the sky.
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Handy Haversack:

I worry a lot about activism and organizing done on social media -- companies that clearly are happy to sell anyone out to the forces of hatred and repression for cash considerations. It seems like a massive risk.

Thanks, Roger! And thanks to your students as well! Really interesting insights. Many thanks for their candor and willingness to open up to us.
  6:59pm
Dean:

Of course, shortly Zittrain changed his mind. Of course he did.
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Crank Rumpkin:

Nice show!
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Dean @6:57
The idea of childhood is historically contingent- a Sesame Street mentality- learning has to be entertaining!! Nowadays folks can be 50 & have the world View of a child


www.goodreads.com...
  6:59pm
Joe Mulligan 🦀:

Brilliant show, thanks roger!
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Fishtown Mike:

Great show, Roger! Thanks to you and your students for putting it together!
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Fredericks:

↳ joe mulligan @6:21
Are we doomed to scroll endlessly for all of eternity?
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StringOFperils:

Thanks Roger.
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listener 126464:

Thanks, Roger!
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chresti:

Alright Jiwon! Thanks Roger!
  7:00pm
Dean:

But childhood is about competence and power imbalance. I don't vote, but I'm all for mandatory voting and voting for ALL, including infants. The problem, of course, is that parents will exploit their authority.
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Feldy:

Great show today. Thanks Roger!
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Fredericks:

Did Roger says who this was?
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chresti:

↳ Fredericks @7:01
Jiwon
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Fredericks:

Thanks, Chresti!
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