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Favoriting April 10, 2023: Station Manager Ken fills in and interviews Journalist Matt Taibbi

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Listener comments!

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Hopey Sockmonkey:

Thanks for filling in, Ken!
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Doug in MP:

Matt Taibbi 😬
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Staysh and all!!!
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wholewheattoast:

yeah... let's see how this goes but, uh, huh.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Bas NL:

Hi Ken! All!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Welcome to Kentech! All your data is belong to WFMU!
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Doug in MP:

Oh no. oh boy
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melinda:

howdy Ken and others
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dale:

never twittered. or instant grammed. lots of pornhub though....
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Jim the Poet:

Popping popcorn
  6:07pm
rhett:

Fuck Taibbi.
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Handy Haversack:

Evening, Ken and the Techyon Drives!
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Ike:

↳ wholewheattoast @6:05
Um, yeah.
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melinda:

I agree Ken. The critics of the Twitter files are avoiding dealing with the substance of the files.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:05
nice
  6:07pm
drew:

why is ken freedman associating with a known rapist and woman hater, oh wait is that "slander"
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HyperDose:

Stir that pot, Ken! 😎
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Doug in MP:

"ambushed" oh ken. back to bandcamp
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melinda:

↳ Doug in MP @6:09
it was an ambush
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Ike:

That said, it doesn't have to be black and white when it comes to Twitter corporate management. Both current AND former Twitter management can be absolute trash, in different ways.
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herb.nyc:

Ooh, lefties get slagged! Right-wingers too, I assume. But do they get complimented at all?
  6:11pm
yippie:

the Fugs rock opera Star Peace has a cool song called Technology
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Webhamster Henry:

Elon whited out the "w" on the Twitter HQ banner so it kind of reads "T_itter". As well as sticking that Dogecoin doggie in instead of the Twitterbird. Whattup wid dat?
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Handy Haversack:

Wait, there are people on the Left who like the NYT and MSNBC? Have ... they ever actually read them?
  Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
chrisw:

Describing the twitter owners as having fleeced Elon Musk is a novel take!
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melinda:

The pod w/Walter Kirn is really good.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

that 60 hz+ harmonics in the right channel is light, but rough
  Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
drew:

Wait! What?
I hate this show and was turning it off when I recognized Matt Taibbi's voice.
Deftly played, Mark.
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Ike:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:11
You wouldn't think so. But those are considered "liberal" by large portions of the country, among normies too basic to be aware of better sources.
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-жеи:

↳ drew @6:07
Drew, the allegations that Taibbi abused women at The Exile office in Moscow, were debunked by the *women themselves,* who went on record to say that nothing of the sort that was described ever happened.
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-жеи:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:11
He's a freaking buffoon is what's up with that
  6:16pm
EmP:

This is all very odd for this show. Which is the polite way of saying this kind of sucks.
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Richy4619:

It's really awful what people do when they think they're smarter than everyone.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
-жеи:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:13
Yeah I tried to get that buzz out of there but it created a weird flanger effect wgen it was removed.
  Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
drew:

Hang on . . . that Kermit-y voice is Staysh!
Doubly well played!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Ike @6:14
I have trouble believing that they would then self-identify as Left or hold positions that could be described as Left in any system or discourse not skewed as far to the Right as this one is.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ -жеи @6:16
right on, I believe that
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chresti:

Hi Ken and Techtonians!
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DannyBoyNYC:

Ambushed by Hasan? C'mon. Hasan tore him a new one. Taibbi is reporting on whatever Elon feeds him. His journalistic career is over. Go watch the interview.
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-жеи:

↳ EmP @6:16
EmP, what is the actual reporting that you take issue with?
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MarciB:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:11
Excellent point
  6:22pm
oof:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:17
(i think he meant neoliberals)
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Ciggy:

Followed Matt Taibbi since the 2018 financial crisis. Especially the AIG scam on Brooklyn's own Joe Cassano, CMOs & MBS'.

Here's today's tweet from Glenn Greewald of a 40 year old clip of Ron Paul criticizing the overreach of the FBI the US Security State (FBI/CIA) manipulating our politics and spying on Americans.
twitter.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
-жеи:

↳ DannyBoyNYC @6:19
So is that why Musk has now cut off Substack? Because Taibbi and Weiss and others were doing TOO good a job of doing Elon's bidding?
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-жеи:

↳ DannyBoyNYC @6:19
The nature of the errors that Hasan pointed out (Taibbi wrote "CIS" instead of "CISA") is pretty damn trivial, especially when you consider the legion of real, serious errors that MSNBC has made over the years. Such as falling repeatedly for the Hamilton 68 hoax, which Taibbi uncovered.
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PaulRobeson1923:

Hi Hi Hi
  6:28pm
pp:

Ken J
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-жеи:

↳ DannyBoyNYC @6:19
And all the errors that Hasan pointed out (live on national TV, which is why it was an ambush) were corrected by Taibbi immediately and publicly. MSNBC has not issued any corrections of it's own for repeatedly falling for the Hamilton 68 hoax.
  6:31pm
pp:

I remember pops Taibbi, correspondent for NBC.
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MarciB:

Muskrat bought Twitter to destroy it as a legitimate source of information.
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dale:

a dive into TRUTH social would probably read like a comedy.
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-жеи:

↳ pp @6:31
I remember him also - he wrote for the Home News in new Brunswick which was the daily paper I grew up with.
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Handy Haversack:

I think what bothers me about the whole discussion (and while I wouldn't speak for Mark, what seems to have the most resonance with what we discuss here frequently) isn't the extent to which Twitter was or was not hand-in-glove with government "intelligence community" for censorship or whether Twitter censorship is now just based on the whim of an egoistic libertarian fuckwad but that we're at all surprised by any of it. Twitter does not exist for us or for any user. It has always and only been based on monetizing engagement through the manipulation of a publishing environment. The point isn't how terrible it was then because of THEM or is now because of OTHER THEM but that it is rotten to its core and cannot be redeemed and the only logical response to is abandon it entirely and let it die alone, as it deserves. Otherwise, we're just continuing to stick our hands in the fire and act shocked when we get burned.
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:34
comment clicky-starred!
  6:38pm
CIA, CIS, CISA, whatever:

"CIS" for "CISA" is not trivial, it's mistaking a non-governmental nonprofit org for a federal agency, and then claiming that the feds did it.
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Franco Twinkie:

Stalinists, really? Okay, I'm throwing the Bulgarian crackers I got at Grocery Outlet in the trash.
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grtyvr:

Ken, how do I retract my S4L. Not a fan of supporting platforming this clown
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-жеи:

↳ grtyvr @6:38
Consider it done. You lack of any specific Taibbi criticism is duly noted.
  6:40pm
CIA, CIS, CISA, whatever:

for reference (not guaranteed unbiased or 100% correct): https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/07/mehdi-hasan-dismantles-the-entire-foundation-of-the-twitter-files-as-matt-taibbi-stumbles-to-defend-it/
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PaulRobeson1923:

For most of America, Russia is like that once in a lifetime trip to NYC- Russia only exists in yer imagination and the average American thinks to himself “i’ll never be able to afford that”
  6:41pm
Dean:

Damn, sorry I couldn't check in earlier.

Handy is pointing out @6:34 the tyranny of the network effect.

Honestly, I can barely distinguish Twitter under Dorsey from Twitter under Musk, but then I have no account and I read only one feed. In fact, under Musk, Twitter is proving to be (for me, not a customer) far more open.
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Carmichael:

Not that I'm a brainiac or anything, but I have never seen the value of Twitter as a platform. Other than a vehicle for one's inane rambling.
  6:43pm
Dean:

Glancing at Ken's comments above, I believe I am largely if not entirely aligned with his take.
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grtyvr:

Tiabbi is a sloppy "journalist" who routinely gets basic facts wrong. www.techdirt.com...
  6:44pm
Rolando:

Better late than never, I’ll catch up what I missed in the archives
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melinda:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:34
Twitter might be a rotten and stinky town square but as long as its functioning as such it still matters very much that the government is censoring people there. If Twitter rotted away that wouldn't eliminate the govt-non-profit censorship partnership machine that is responsible for this.
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grtyvr:

He doesn't understand what he is looking at: www.techdirt.com...
  6:45pm
Dean:

I think you mean you've never see the *utility* of Twitter, @Carmichael. I agree. It's pointless to me. Even the one feed I follow--Greenwald's--grows tedious and redundant.

Taibbi (note the spelling, @grtyvr) is not a scare-quotes journalist. He is a journalist, more productive and effective than a large number of reporters at MSM media.
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McMurphy:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:34
Exactly. And CIA, CIS... I agree, it's far from a trivial mistake. And grtyvr, seriously? Are you listening? Are you hoping to never hear anything that doesn't jibe with your worldview?
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dale:

↳ Carmichael @6:43
i'm both not smart enough to want a soap box. and too stupid to need one.
  6:46pm
Listener Robert:

↳ -жеи @6:34
Then I guess you go me beat. Matt Taibbi came to my attention only in the 1980s when he wrote for the New York Press. But at least in my head I pronounced his last name the way it turned out he did.
  6:47pm
Eli:

The Hassan interview was an ambush?? Taibbi was so ill-prepared for it (something MT asked for). It was embarrassing.
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-жеи:

↳ grtyvr @6:44
I hope some of you call on the air after the interview is over
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Carmichael:

↳ Dean @6:45
"He is a journalist, more productive and effective than a large number of reporters" [STOP]
  6:48pm
Listener Robert:

↳ -жеи @6:34
Oh, wait, you're referring to his father?
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grtyvr:

far from not wanting to not hear anything that does not jibe with my world view, but I do want to hear from someone who is thorough and does not make mistakes in understanding.
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McMurphy:

↳ Carmichael @6:43
Clearly you've been reading my feed.
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ dale @6:46
We are ALL, as Huxley says someplace, Great Abbreviators, meaning that none of us has the wit to know the whole truth, the time to tell it if we believed we did, or an audience so gullible as to accept it.

-Neil Postman,
Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business
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melinda:

Taibbi has said he made mistakes in his old Rolling Stone reporting on the financial crisis but I don't remember left-of-center media sources busting his balls over that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Son Of Pantz:

Now that Matt got his big paycheck from Musk, I hope he goes back to real journalism.
  6:49pm
yippie:

that's why it's so dumb when these American judges make you sweat to tell the Whole truth
  6:49pm
pp:

my question on Twitter -- how the funk did Evan get the handle @efd ???
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Carmichael:

↳ McMurphy @6:48
So you have a Twitter feed for non-twitter users?
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ grtyvr @6:48
someone inhuman, perhaps?
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Carmichael:

The phones don't have a screen we can all hide behind.
  6:53pm
oof:

i don't understand how musk's intentions of releasing the files aren't relevant. clearly the data leaked reflects his POV
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PaulRobeson1923:

I’d like to discuss Clay’s new “Chicken” sound bite. The softly spoken “chicken” really turns me on
  6:53pm
Saltonstall:

@pp- believe or not @evanfunkdavies was already taken
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Handy Haversack:

↳ melinda @6:49
MSNBC is far to the right of center. Just want to keep that fact, er, centered.
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melinda:

↳ Eli @6:47
You don't have to be a fan of Twitter or Musk to see how huge this is.
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Carmichael:

Hello, I'd like to buy an argument.
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PaulRobeson1923:

A man has to have a place to go in the morning.
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Bas NL:

Good point, caller.
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melinda:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
How so?
  6:55pm
Dean:

We need a definition of "social media" before the slope gets too slippery or the ad too absurdum.
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Handy Haversack:

So if we'd had Twitter back when we had to fight off the dinosaurs, we'd never have survived? Did ... the dinosaurs have Twitter?!
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grtyvr:

Why is asking for journalists to verify sources and stories to get the facts correct an inhuman expectation?
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Ciggy:

My "Twitter Files" experience stems from the replies that ive seen change from a liberal point of view to a Trumpist POV.
Today's example is an analysis of Tucker Carlson in the NY Times
twitter.com...
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melinda:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
Were they opposed to Taibbi before Trump and Russiagate? My point is that allegiances and biases have shifted.
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Dano59:

↳ oof @6:53
maybe Musk's intent was to justify his re-amplifying right wing users. I dunno. It's a weird and worse place now, and I doubt Matt T. would agree, he DID say it used to be a fun place and got worse, almost insufferable, presumably during the Trump admin
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Carmichael:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
Really? I don't watch it, but my assumption is that Fox News and MSNBC are the two poles that everything else falls between.
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drew:

Cracker barrels and local bars were longer-format than Twitter, but people shared opinions in free time.

I'd be willing to bet that the Amish swap stories and opinions at barn-raisings, which aren't just work.
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melinda:

↳ Carmichael @6:55
My assumption too, as a non-watcher
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ grtyvr @6:55
asking *anyone* not to make mistakes is to ask of them not to be human, friend.
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Dano59:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
not even sure where the center is anymore, but corporate media bias protecting a certain capital/govt. narrative is a thing, even at so-called 'liberal'
networks.
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Carmichael:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:55
@T-Rex
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grtyvr:

So where is the retractions and corrections?
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Handy Haversack:

Terms of service: wfmu.org...
  6:57pm
Marie in Queens:

Where do the self-identified leftists on this board get their news?
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dale:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:48
i read a lot of huxley in my twenties. even his hollywood novel 'after many a summer the swan dies.' i need to revisit his stuff, i loved it.
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Carmichael @6:55
Among mainstream corporate media, maybe.

But the US mainstream "left" is... basically moderate right.
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melinda:

yeah, I bet it happens everywhere. Shitting on Twitter misses the point.
  6:58pm
Dean:

Email is not, too my mind, social media. It's a pain in the ass, but it's entirely asynchronous.

Here's why talking about free speech vis-a-vis Twitter is not crazy: when the state strives to impose its own expressive policies on a private operation like Twitter, then it risks violating the First Amendment.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1923:

The people outside the United States might as well be dead. U know what i mean?
  6:58pm
pp:

↳ Saltonstall @6:53
3 letter handles are rare.
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Dano59:

↳ Carmichael @6:53
... no you don't!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Son Of Pantz:

We just want to be free to ride our machines and get loaded at WFMU.
  6:58pm
nickelbackfanfromportugal:

↳ Marie in Queens @6:57
Usually AP for straight news, but wider than that for opinion based pieces
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melinda:

↳ Dean @6:58
Exactly
  6:59pm
Eli:

↳ melinda @6:53
Sorry, I don't think Joe Biden asking that non-consensual nude pics of his troubled son be removed from the platform is a big deal.
  6:59pm
Dean:

@Son Of Pantz: Heh, well said.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Ciggy:

Here I am listening to Ken whilst viewing TYT on YouTube
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Ken! And MT. Efforts appreciated. And always fun when it all gets stirred up.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
steveo:

Interesting show Thanks Ken!
  6:59pm
sufferwords:

Operation Mockingbird- Ben Bradlee - the fix been in forever
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dale:

wfmu is that (s)crappy little station...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
melinda:

↳ Eli @6:59
If it was merely that it wouldn't be a big deal but it was way more than that.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Ken and Matt.
  6:59pm
Marie in Queens:

↳ nickelbackfanfromportugal @6:58
oh, uh huh, that makes sense to me
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listener 126464:

Thanks, Ken.
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PaulRobeson1923:

In American the gist of our foreign news stories are “where is Malaysian flight 390” or when did the queen last blow her nose?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Hopey Sockmonkey:

Thanks, Ken!
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melinda:

↳ sufferwords @6:59
yup
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McMurphy:

Great interview and very interesting and timely show - Thanks Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Ciggy:

On to PROG - YES!
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Richy4619:

I'm glad FMU/Techtonic/Ken are here having these kind of conversations
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melinda:

thanks Ken!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Ken!
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Dano59:

thx Ken!
  7:03pm
Matt from OK:

Thanks for a great interview. The hard work of radical transparency in the sprit of EFF and FOIA advocacy is too often thankless and polarizing on the rare occasions it does get recognized.
Avatar 7:05pm
grtyvr:

↳ -жеи @6:14
And we all know how no Russians are ever forced to lie for the state.
  7:20am
ChrisW:

Describing the twitter sale as a fleecing of Musk is a novel take!
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slowbear:

Very hard to take this interview seriously when right off the bat you're calling MSNBC a "left-wing organization," which indicates either some confusion on the basics of the left-right political spectrum or a right-wing bias. Funny that you should mention that Taibbi is apparently a Bernie Sanders fan after this, given that during the 2020 election MSNBC had a "body-language expert" analyze Bernie Sanders, and also said that he was going to have public executions in Central Park. This interview also fails to mention any of Musk's clear right-wing libertarian bias and his immediate purging of actual left-wing news outlets and journalists (It's Going Down News, Chad Loder, etc.).
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G:

4/20/23 -- I was busy when this aired live, but made a note to get back to it when I had time. -- Ken, thanks for offering this, and for clearly making an effort to be as factual as possible. So many of the commenters seem not to see factual reality, but see only the protective filter that surrounds the information bubble they choose to inhabit, which they rather aggressively insist everybody else should treat as factual.
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