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Favoriting March 27, 2023: Sandrine Rigaud, co-author, "Pegasus"

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Today: Sandrine Rigaud, co-author, "Pegasus" and Editor-in Chief, Forbidden Stories

Pegasus: How a Spy in Your Pocket Threatens the End of Privacy, Dignity, and Democracy, by Laurent Richard and Sandrine Rigaud

ForbiddenStories.org: “Killing the journalist won’t kill the story. We are a network of journalists whose mission is to protect, pursue and publish the work of other journalists facing threats, prison, or murder. It is the only existing program with this mission.”

Biden Acts to Restrict U.S. Government Use of Spyware (NYT, March 27, 2023): “The most prominent seller of spyware is NSO Group. Numerous governments, from Mexico to India to Saudi Arabia, have deployed NSO’s Pegasus spyware against political dissidents and journalists. . . . In addition, several American government agencies have either purchased or deployed Pegasus. In 2018, the Central Intelligence Agency bought the surveillance tool for the government of Djibouti, which used it inside that country. The next year, the F.B.I. purchased Pegasus and tested the tool for two years, before ultimately deciding not to deploy it.”

• Frontline: Exposing Pegasus: Part One, Part Two (Jan 10, 2023) - thanks to DJ Bryce for the pointer!

The Pegasus Project: One year on, spyware crisis continues after failure to clamp down on surveillance industry (Amnesty International, July 18, 2022)

The Chris Hedges Report Podcast with Katherine Cocoran on Mexico's Epidemic of Murdered Journalists - see also the toxic YouTube version (March 24, 2023): Katherine Corcoran, the former Associated Press bureau chief in Mexico, discusses her book In the Mouth of the Wolf: A Murder, a Coverup, and the True Cost of Silencing the Press.

Critics claim Paris using 2024 Games to introduce Big Brother video surveillance (France24, March 25, 2023) - thanks to Jeremiah Ventry-McGee for the pointer. Excerpt:

“France’s National Assembly is due to adopt a law on Tuesday [March 28, 2023] ahead of the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris. Article 7 is the most controversial aspect of this law, as it will allow AI video surveillance to be used to detect abnormal behaviour. Human rights organisations and the French left have condemned the measure.”

“. . . Article 7 of this law is particularly controversial, as it states that AI video surveillance may be used, on a trial basis, to ensure the safety of the Olympic Games. Human rights groups say the use of this technology will set a dangerous precedent.”

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Listener comments!

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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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DanFA:

Hello
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Doug in MP:

Hello! Techtonic will be a good soundtrack while I try to figure out if my identity has been stolen AGAIN
  6:02pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! All!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techptozoologists!
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chris in the redwoods:

Pegasus is so effing scary!
hi, Mark and everyone!
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listener james from westwood:

Ain't that the truth on the NYC logo.
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herb.nyc:

Hi criminals, terrorists, and pedophiles. Is that a spy in yr pocket or are you happy to see me?
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DanFA:

Chris Hansen saunters into the room.
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merl ravenscroft:

criminals, terrorists and pedophiles is a yet to be written punk rock song - maybe on the next premium?
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ultradamno:

The three categories that have a built in "well if you aren't doing this stuff, you have nothing to worry about" shutdown response to criticism
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Webhamster Henry:

The other annoying thing is that every new surveillance tech is justified with "it will protect our brave soldiers in the field"
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Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyons! Walked in the door from Laguardia just in time for the show!

Extremely glad to be back with you all.
  6:09pm
Jackie G:

only unionized villians, thieves and scounfrels need to worry
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Doug in MP:

Welcome back Handy!
  6:10pm
Rolando:

Pegasus is a winged divine stallion, usually depicted as pure white in color, in Greek mythology. He was sired by Poseidon, in his role as horse-god, and foaled by the Gorgon Medusa. He was the brother of Chrysaor, born at a single birthing when his mother was decapitated by Perseus.
  6:11pm
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now I don’t feel tinfoil hat about keeping masking tape on my phone lenses
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Handy Haversack:

James, DanFA, chresti, Doug, David, Bas, ultradamno, herb, merl, Henry, and all! I have missed you! And WFMU!

Thanks, Doug!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

I hope my number is not in the list
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ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
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Dance the Blues:

Sue this company into oblivion
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Bas NL:

Hi Handy!
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Doug in MP:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:11
I'll have to show you my Wisconsin key chain some time. A souvenir from sitting in a parking lot with a melted coolant hose in downtown Eau Claire
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chris in the redwoods:

welcome back, Handy!
  6:12pm
Doug in MP:

↳ Doug in MP @6:01
I stole your identity. Sorry. 😔
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Bas NL:

Pegasus was hot here in the news in The Netherlands some two years ago.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining!
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DanFA:

This is terrible. To Pegasus I say neigh neigh.
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coelacanth∅:

? i use bits of post-it notes, so if they access my front-facing camera they see purple; if they access my back-facing camera they see green.
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The Butterman:

Is that a spy in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
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Webhamster Henry:

Does the book go into the actual tech for bypassing security on each of these devices?
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Doug in MP:

↳ Doug in MP @6:12
This guy seems suspicious 🤔 Might be a coincidence though?
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↳ coelacanth∅ @6:14
nice!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:14
On a high level, yes - but I believe they open-sourced their findings
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ultradamno:

My attempt to interact with an AI the other day twitter.com...
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melinda:

hi all
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Rolando:

They should have called it Icarus! - Icarus is one of the most famous tragic figures in Greek mythology, as his story highlights the dangers of hubris, or excessive pride. Although he was warned by his father not to fly too high, Icarus became overexcited and flew too close to the sun, causing his wings to melt and leading to his untimely death.
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Ciggy:

Celebrities not as important as journalists.
Spying on Hollywood actors
Harvey Weinstein Hired Private Investigators To Spy On Accusers And Block Stories From Reporters, New Yorker Saysdeadline.com...
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that is so creepy
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Ciggy:

Celebrities not as important as journalists - Part II:
From Michael Ovitz to Garry Shandling, several Hollywood stars and dealmakers got caught up in the sensational scandal.
www.hollywoodreporter.com...
  6:19pm
Sam:

Pegasus is exactly why smart phones were invented in the first place. This was always the goal.
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Annette:

Good evening Mark! Bienvenue Sandrine Rigaud
  6:23pm
Jackie G:

What kind of people does Pegasus target? Just random people?
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Jackie G @6:23
Whoever the government security forces decide to target. Lots of journalists & human rights activists have been targeted in the past.
  6:25pm
Androu B.:

Good evening, Mark & Technodialogists (MY word, the patent is pending as I write this)!

Wondering if there'll be any weighing in on the TikTok security issue news or just bypassing it tonight (since that news really shouldn't have come as a big surprise to anyone by now).
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Androu B. @6:25
Not enough time for TikTok comments tonight. I do have some commentary on it but it'll have to wait...
  6:27pm
Jackie G:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:24
Oh man, terrible activities. The world is a dangerous place.
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Fredericks:

↳ Sam @6:19
Someone said something similar to me many years ago about the internet. My paraphrase: "You think they're going to let you get on the internet for free and not be monitored? It was created by the military."
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ Fredericks @6:27
slight correction, but i think its important: it was created by civilians *for* the military.
  6:33pm
Androu B.:

↳ Sam @6:19
Which is the reason why I chose to go back to a flip phone. (The downside is...it has Alexa, which I don't use. So I'm now left wondering if my calls are being monitored.)
  6:33pm
Sam:

I hate to tell you this Mark, but I can hear everything going on in the WFMU studio in real time, without anyone’s knowledge, using this contraption called a radio. I’m so bad!!
  6:33pm
chresti:

Haha Androu B
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Sam @6:33
Heh - you might people are listening in to what I say in this room?
  6:34pm
Sam:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:33
We know everything Mark. It’s even archived!
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Dance the Blues:

NYT article on this today www.nytimes.com...
  6:35pm
Rolando:

@sam no, we hear what they want us to hear from WFMU same thing with the government, except they tweak it up and feed us a lot of nonsense
  6:37pm
Androu B.:

↳ chresti @6:33
Not really a laughing matter. It could still be a possibility.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Dance the Blues @6:34
Thanks for this pointer - just added it to the playlist.
  6:43pm
Sam:

This has to be the real reason why they put cameras on both sides of phones and made them no longer flip. Imagine if you could snap your phone shut and make it impossible for them to film you at all times. Unacceptable!
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ultradamno:

Hearing it aloud NSO reminds me of USO than NSA
  6:44pm
Rolando:

But did they really fully patch or did they “ patch “?
  6:45pm
Androu B.:

↳ chresti @6:33
Granted, I don't particularly stand to be targeted for anything I've done that might arouse suspicion from government agencies (as far as I know), but that doesn't necessarily make me an unlikely target for monitoring.
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ultradamno:

I'm noticing a theme in reaction to Nashville shootings of 'ban assault weapons not Tik Tok'....can't we not have both?
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herb.nyc:

Ken Freedman-“gimme the $200million!”
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DanFA:

↳ herb.nyc @6:46
Can't you just imagine what Ken could do what that $$.
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herb.nyc:

Ewaste, the magic word. Lower East Ecology Center does pop up collections on weekends.
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herb.nyc:

↳ DanFA @6:48
Andy Breckman-“oh Kenny, tell us the truth. You loooove rolling in all that pledge money, right?”
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DanFA:

↳ herb.nyc @6:49
Straight out of Breaking Bad.
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herb.nyc:

↳ herb.nyc @6:48
Ugh. Lower east Side Ecology Center
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Juli:

Dragons are not evil they are friends lol

Great interview!
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, for this Mark (and Sandrine!). Distractions abounded over here with the unpacking and the whatnot so couldn't comment much, but I listened with urgent interest. Many thanks!
  6:53pm
Rolando:

Yes, thank you. “ cometh the time cometh the man or woman.”
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herb.nyc:

Much love and thanks to journalists. Hard work. Low pay. Danger! Thanks for telling us about this.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark. Another thorough techtonicalogical analysis.
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DanFA:

Who me? Oh no!!!
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listener james from westwood:

↳ herb.nyc @6:49
Andy occasionally used to ask Ken about his yacht, the S.S. Marathon.
  6:56pm
Dean:

Helen Nissenbaum's Obfuscation, now going on seven years old, is nevertheless a helpful guide to available responses.
https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262529860/?ref=producthunt
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Handy Haversack:

No phone here. It's possible to do.
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DanFA:

↳ listener james from westwood @6:56
They don't call Ken the Commodore for nothing.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Have a nice break! Thanks Sandrine!
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DanFA:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:56
How?
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MarciB:

It's terrifying to think of which despots use this tool.
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chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark!
  6:57pm
Jackie G:

Thanks, Mark
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Handy Haversack:

↳ DanFA @6:57
Change your priorities. And get good again at keeping plans and memorizing phone numbers.
  6:58pm
Androu B.:

↳ Juli @6:51
Thanks, Mark! Keep fighting the good fight!
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
  6:58pm
Rolando:

Stay safe everyone. Thanks Mark for a great show
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DanFA:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:58
What if you have an emergency and need to call 911?
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Ken From Hyde Park:

On the lighter side: www.marketoonist.com...
  6:59pm
Dean:

In other words, use a landline. Otherwise, there's no point in memorizing phone numbers.
  6:59pm
chresti:

Thanks mark and sondrine!
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drumbone:

is it complicated?
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Feldy:

Thanks Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ DanFA @6:59
I mean, I have a landline. We're not off the grid. Just no cell phone or spy phone.
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Webhamster Henry:

Nice and scary tonight! have a fun 2 weeks off!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Good chat tonight. Have a great couple of weeks with Roger and Ken. See you soon.
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Webhamster Henry:

As demonstrated last week on the 7 second delay, Faxes work great!
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