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Options June 14, 2021: Cupertino, Cuban, crypto, Cadence, Cena, China, and calling cicadas

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Tonight: Cupertino, Cuban, crypto, Cadence, Cena, China, and calling cicadas


Surviving the Crackdown in Xinjiang (by Raffi Khatchadourian, New Yorker, April 12, 2021 issue): "As mass detentions and surveillance dominate the lives of China’s Uyghurs and Kazakhs, a woman struggles to free herself."

H&M Is Erased From Chinese E-Commerce Over Xinjiang Stance (by Eva Xiao in WSJ, March 25, 2021): "Apps block searches for clothing retailer after it stops sourcing from the region, escalating a clash between Beijing and Western companies."

U.S. Blocked Uniqlo Shirts on Xinjiang Forced-Labor Concerns (Bloomberg, May 19, 2021). As Adrian Zenz points out: "U.S. Customs and Border Protection is not releasing Uniqlo shirts despite initial evidence produced by Uniqlo. The CBP requires Uniqlo to provide comprehensive evidence that they are not made with Uyghur forced labor, setting a very high bar."

Japan’s Muji Appeals to China by Advertising Use of Xinjiang Cotton (by Megumi Fujikawa in WSJ, May 11, 2021): “On its online store in China, Muji includes the words ‘Xinjiang cotton’ next to several items. The move was well-received by Chinese social-network users, some of whom said on the Twitter-like Weibo platform that they recognized the company’s eagerness to stay on the country’s good side. Muji executives have said they see China as a growth driver after the company’s U.S. unit was forced last year to seek protection under U.S. bankruptcy laws. Muji expects to have more than 300 stores in China by August.”

Bari Weiss interviews Mark Cuban on the second episode of her new Honestly podcast (June 13, 2021).

Censorship, Surveillance and Profits: A Hard Bargain for Apple in China (by Jack Nicas, Raymond Zhong and Daisuke Wakabayashi, NYT, May 17, 2021): "Apple [is] preparing to store the personal data of its Chinese customers on computer servers run by a state-owned Chinese firm." ... "A Times analysis found that tens of thousands of apps have disappeared from Apple’s Chinese App Store over the past several years, more than previously known, including foreign news outlets, gay dating services and encrypted messaging apps. It also blocked tools for organizing pro-democracy protests and skirting internet restrictions, as well as apps about the Dalai Lama."

John Cena video (posted to Twitter on May 24, 2021). Joe Xu writes, "John Cena apologized in Chinese on Sina Weibo after calling Taiwan a country during an interview promoting Fast & Furious 9."

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  Cupertino, Cuban, crypto, Cadence, Cena, China, and calling cicadas
Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Options Machinarium Soundtrack  No label 
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  Excerpt of Bari Weiss and Mark Cuban      
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  John Cena apologizes      
0:42:48 (MP3 | Pop‑up)
Rockwell  Somebody's Watching Me   Options Somebody's Watching Me Single  Motown    0:54:11 (MP3 | Pop‑up)

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Listener comments!

Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 5:54pm Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Drives! It has been far too long!

Checking in now before my fingers are covered in garlic. Listening intently, though!

Preemptive hellos to ultradamno, David, chresti, and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm ultradamno:

Mark! Handy! Techtaroons!
Avatar 👻 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtoniccccc's! (All C's and c's this week.)
Avatar 6:02pm HyperDose:

Yes perfect cooking music, and garlic for the win!
  6:02pm David in London:

Evening Technoids and Mr Hurst.
Handy! Ultradamno!
  6:03pm Bea:

Good evening - tech (gin and) tonic friends!
  6:04pm David in London:

Bas, HyperDose, Bea.
Avatar 6:04pm Constance De Witt:

Hello Mark and everyone, looking forward to hear about the C's!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm ultradamno:

Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi,! Nice to C you all here tonight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm chresti:

Hi Mark! Hi Handy! Hi Techtones!
  6:05pm Androu B.:

Hiho, Techeads!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm listener james from westwood:

How do, Mark and all!
  6:05pm Sam:

One of the most beautiful, peaceful sounds I’ve ever heard.
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Welcome to my tinnitus, 24/7. Blah.
  6:05pm Ed:

Coool! Haven't seen one cicada here in the PNW.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm ultradamno:

I remember being in Cinti during a three brood breakout and it was like a bug fog.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm melinda:

hi all
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Franco Twinkie:

My tee shirts are looking kind of ratty, I think I'll go to H&M and spruce up my summer wardrobe.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm chresti:

Ken, me too!
  6:07pm Sam:

I’m a huge sucker for peepers too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm tim from washington:

I miss cicada sounds. Critters are quiet in the PNW.

Hi Mark and crew!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm paul b:

I live in College Park Md, believe me I know what Cicadas sound like
Avatar 6:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...whut ...they don't have an AI hologram of the immortally downloaded personality of Steve Jobs' liver ??...
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm DjLorraine:

  6:09pm Roland from Australia:

Good morning all.
Avatar 6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...they could link it to Walt Disney's freeze-dried brain...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Franco Twinkie:

Can I address the elephant in the room? I did a search on Amelia Peng, and my eyeballs fell out of my face.
  6:12pm Sam:

When they used slave labor to pick cotton in the South, we fought a war to make them stop. Now China uses slave labor to pick cotton, and we not only buy it obsessively, we also apologize to China for exercising our free speech.
  6:13pm yippie:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm ultradamno:

John Cena apologized to China recently for calling Taiwan a country
  6:14pm yippie:

not a lot of muji clothes are made in japan
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm tim from washington:

@Franco - how come?
Avatar 6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...who was it said the Capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them - Khrushchev ??...
Avatar 6:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...yerknow - since Reagan 'won the Cold War' - spectacular Cowboy Hero he was & all...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm chresti:

tim, don't mind Franco, he is girl crazy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm tim from washington:

@chresti - A-ha. I missed the "a-ooga a-ooga" sound when Franco's eyeballs popped out.
Avatar 👻 6:20pm Bas NL:

So.. stone washed jeans and brain washed T-shirts..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm ultradamno:

John Oliver did an excellent piece on heat conditions in US prisons, not touching on the labor aspect, but I expect it dovetails.
  6:21pm Sam:

Doesn’t the US have more people in prison than any other country? But then again that’s only because China executes most of them.
Avatar 6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...yes - but that one branch of our Corporation is Environmentally Friendly
...that is - we're Greenwashing our Brainwashing...
Avatar 6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Sam: Also true that the Population of China is the same as the USA
...plus - One Billion...
Avatar 6:23pm luca:

1994, belgian 100 francs bill, the counterfeiter is punished with forced labor it says in the bottom right i.ebayimg.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm full_english_breakfast:

@Franco cause she wrote for the epoch times? also it is pang, not peng
  6:25pm Davefrom Brooklyn:

Thanks Mark for your show. I'm wondering if you have done any investigating of the story of Cary Mullis, he got a Nobel prize for designing the PCR machine that our co vid test centers use to determine if one, the testee, has co vid. He died mysteriously last year. He had said that his machine was being improperly used and as a result would issue many false positives. Seems like a good tech question.
Avatar 6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Sam: Also - I think it's Per Capita? The USA has a larger proportion of its population incarcerated.
Worth researching the facts ...hang on...
Avatar 6:27pm HyperDose:

Business trips? Oooh Mark is fancy!
  6:27pm yippie:

i want to watch spermwhale tank
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm chris in the redwoods:

hi, Mark and folks.
good points about the differences b/t US and China.
that said, the racism inherent in the US "justice" system is abhorrent and should itself be considered criminal.
Avatar 6:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Sam : US Rate :
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm tim from washington:

This dude sounds like Ross Perot.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm tim from washington:

The billionaire, not Mark I mean.
Avatar 6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Sam: Worldwide :
  6:31pm The Butterman:

Oh wow, Putin said the same thing today
  6:33pm Sam:

Thanks Rev Rabbit. According to Wikipedia “The US had 2,173,800 prisoners in adult facilities in 2015.... The incarceration rate of the People's Republic of China varies depending on sources and measures. According to the World Prison Brief, the rate for only sentenced prisoners is 118 per 100,000 (as of 2015). The rate for prisoners including estimations for the number of pre-trial detainees and those in administrative detention is 164 per 100,000 (as of 2015).[22] In a 2010 interview Harry Wu, a U.S.-based human rights activist and ex-Chinese labor camp prisoner, estimates that "in the last 60 years, more than 40–50 million people" were in Chinese labor camps,[23] but that period includes the mass incarcerations of the 1950s or the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) and is not representative of China in 2010.“
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm chris in the redwoods:

Russians kicked nazi ass. i will allow Putin's comment :)
  6:36pm headcleaner:

"Miramar", huh?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm tim from washington:

"What aboutism"? Huh?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Fuzzy:

Profiles In Courage.
Avatar 6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm chris in the redwoods:

i guess Cuban had just watched Top Gun, headcleaner.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm tim from washington:

Anyone who explains their point with "And look" is a butthole.
Avatar 6:37pm HyperDose:

She's got him on the ropes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm tim from washington:

headcleaner - jinx!
Avatar 6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I Am Not Accountable.
  6:38pm Sam:

“I love that you want to end the concentration camps. But I’m out.”
Avatar 6:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...I am, however, getting filthy stinking rich...
  6:39pm yippie:

the uyghurs are in labor/brainwashing camps, jews were in murder camps
  6:39pm The Butterman:

He’s slightly less of a pompous dickwad than Zuckernut. Slightly.
Avatar 6:40pm JB from NP:

I am LOVING this show!
Avatar 6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'Water Boarding in Guantanamo sounds like a fun time - if you don't know what any of that means'...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm ultradamno:

And 'good on Bari Weiss' is not a series of words that lend themselves to being said very often.
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm PaulRobeson1920:

Hi hi hi
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm tim from washington:

Mark, I'd prefer if you keep our conversations private.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Fuzzy:

Is any of this really news, though? Capitalism will never change.
  6:42pm The Butterman:

Cue Mark’s nervous, outrage- induced laugh of disbelief!
Avatar 6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...but - Unions & Living Wages in the USA = dirty filthy Communism - say the same people...
  6:42pm jappie:

ai this is embarrassing.
  6:42pm Androu B.:

What's going on with the Uyghurs is merely a progressive extension of eugenics, in some way.
  6:42pm Andrew:

Great show!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm queems:

my dinner conversation was whether or not vin diesel is dead. turns out he is alive and the other guy from fast and furious is dead
Avatar 6:43pm HyperDose:

They drive off a cliff in the new one haha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm queems:

the more you know
  6:43pm The Butterman:

No one here watches or enjoys those movies
Avatar 6:44pm HyperDose:

R.I.P. the homie Paul Walker
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm ultradamno:

I hear this movie is suffering (the implications of the reports is over this, though the pandemic and how far along in the franchise it is couldn't have helped)
  6:44pm Sam:

Man, at least apologize to China for a GOOD movie. But to humiliate yourself and your whole country over fucking Fast and Furious part 9?
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm DjLorraine:

M C is a turn off
  6:45pm Ryan:

I am not a fan of all this chinahawl ranting. It really lacks nuance and understanding the sourcing of the xinjiang situation
  6:45pm headcleaner:

the provocative side remark was to the effect that "Taiwan will be one of the first countries FF9 will open in"
Avatar 6:46pm HyperDose:

Dance jacked puppet, dance!
  6:46pm headcleaner:

@Ryan: too bad
  6:46pm Ed:

The worst part about those movies (aside from the acting) is they don't even have real cars performing the stunt driving. All CGI crapola. I'll take the original "Gone in 60 Seconds" any day over those films.
  Swag For Life Member 6:47pm drew:

Actually, it gave FF9 a metric crap ton of free press.
Example: this show.
Capitalism wins!
Avatar 6:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Ryan: You may have a point - but I don't think the USA is coming out too well here either...
  6:49pm Androu B.:

I smell a boatload of memes about to be unleashed by this.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm ultradamno:

The US The CW TV show Kung Fu, which previously had an episode dealing with the rise of anti-asian violence here (so not averse to politics, exactly), recently had an episode where a character had been sent to Hong Kong by her parents to distance her from bad influences, and not a single word in it about political developments there over the past few years, it was bizarre in it's absence, to be honest.
  6:50pm Sam:

In a few years they’ll probably just make all the action movies in China and put Hollywood right out of business.
Avatar 6:50pm JB from NP:

Taiwan is a country. There, I said it, and I am not apologizing. I ain't no wuss like John Cena and Mark Cuban and Lebron James.
  6:52pm Sam:

John Cena is the bad actor
  6:53pm Ryan:

I qas a social studies teacher in china, and my class debated xinjiang and taiwan, and people do say what they think in china, its just not over the social media. Treating China like a monolith just leads to anti asian racism at home.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm ultradamno:

He's not exactly Steven Seagal, but he's pretty spineless.
  6:54pm headcleaner:

I don't think we're "treating China as a monolith", here
  6:54pm Chris Suspect:

Did you guys hear the NYT podcast the daily on how apple capitulated to China? It’s pretty good. Ties in with what’s currently being discussed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark!
  6:55pm Fragonard:

So much good to think about! Thank you Mark…great show!!
Avatar 6:55pm HyperDose:

Thank you for the unfiltered truth, Mark
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm RevErie:

thanks mark
  6:55pm Sam:

Mark, thanks again for your courage and honesty. It’s so rare and unique.
  6:55pm Ryan:

Honestly if you want actual good reporting on china listen to peter lees China Threat Report. Otherwise all you are getting is subpar
Avatar 👻 6:55pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  6:55pm markinbrooklyn:

Fantastic show today, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm tim from washington:

You should have played John Cena's ring music, Mark :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm tim from washington:

Thanks, Mark!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm ultradamno:

You'll have to start saying Waste Windows Media Player at the end
Avatar 6:56pm Folsom:

windows media player? vlc all the way
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 👻 6:56pm Bas NL:

Hacked WMP?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm People Like Us:

thanks Mark!
  6:56pm Androu B.:

I long for the days of Linux availability. Too bad IBM monopolized that OS.
  6:56pm Fragonard:

Error?? (Is the cd player made in China?)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 6:57pm Folsom:

i wouldn't mind a discussion on how the crypto chia could cause hard drive prices to go nuts, even more than now
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm WR:

thank you Mark! Outstanding. but I am wondering how we can go beyond preaching to the choir.

  6:57pm jappie:

most of the so-called proof for the camps, forced labor, "genocide", etc is coming from Australian and NATO think tanks and one fundamentalist christian 'scholar' called Adrian Zenz.
Avatar 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Ryan I appreciate that perspective.
AntiAsian Hate is a real & terrible problem.
Hate against Asian-Americans for policies of the mainland Chinese Government would not only be a moral abomination but a staggering betrayal of logic. (Not only them either of course.)
  6:57pm ?:

stop using windows. everyone
  6:58pm Sam:

I want to apologize to France for once claiming that St Pierre and Miquelon was part of Canada.
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. That bit on China was really <redacted>.
  6:59pm Androu B.:

Hullo, Vicki luv! Looking forward to Do Or DIY tonight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm I kョ:

Hey Brooklyners, who’s voting? Want a guide to the candidates? There’s a buttload of them this year so check this link out:
More to come….
  6:59pm Sam:

Vive le Quebec libre!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm I kョ:


Avatar 👻 7:00pm Bas NL:

Romani ite domum!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:04pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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