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Favoriting October 26, 2020: Station Manager Ken Fills in: Interview with Author & Journalist Matt Taibbi

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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Hey there Staysh and all the Techyon particles!
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ultradamno:

Techtonneths!
  6:01pm
johnzo:

another ken fill in?! cool
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Bas NL:

Techtonikens!
  6:01pm
howard in nyc:

SM Ken and Matt Taibbi two of my favorite public people
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dale:

matt taibbi was on channel 11 or 9 news back in the 1980s?
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melinda:

Hi Staysh and Matt! Looking forward to this.
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melinda:

Skeptech was fun.
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Kat in Chicago:

Skeptech was great!
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Nate K.:

Really looking forward to this, despite just noticing it on the Instagram about 20 minutes ago!
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Ike:

I often disagree w/Matt Taibbi, but I follow him on Twitter anyway, just to get an occasional dose of contrarianism and provocation.
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Cp304:

good evening peoples
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Ole 'Rick:

HI KEN'
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ultradamno:

@Nate That how Mark likes people to get program details :)
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xtrakrispy:

I started reading Matt Taibbi in The New York Press. I miss that paper.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
melinda:

Matt's Useful Idiots podcast w/Katie Halper had a hilarious discussion of the Toobin incident.
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dale:

you ALWAYS put tape over your camera before you masturbate in front of the pooter. but let alexa hear it if you're kinky.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
iiibeat:

If I share a photo of my jock-strap . . Is that considered as "showing my support"?
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ultradamno:

"Election simulation"
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Fuzzy:

...when suddenly I had to masturbate. WTF? Sounds like he has bigger problem than tech illiteracy.
  6:11pm
bobo:

Send in the clown.
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PaulRobeson1920:

Goood Evning Ya’ll!
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iiibeat:

Humans will anthropomorphize . . AI will not.
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PaulRobeson1920:

Happpy StinKinnn Birthday Dale!!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Ken and Skep-children.
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-Ken:

Hello everybody~!
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Ole 'Rick:

GOOD EVENIN' PAUL
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dale:

i confused him with mike taibbi - my bad.
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northguineahills:

what, no trebuchet? Barbarians!....
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Deborah:

Listening.
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Hi Staysh! Moral of the story: Keep your barndoor shut!
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ultradamno:

Did I just hear Andrew Sullivan and Journalist within minutes of each other?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Fuzzy:

"...but I DID click all the pictures or fire hydrants -- what do you mean try again? I'm not a robot -- YOU'RE THE ROBOT!"

True story from just a couple of hours ago.
  6:14pm
Listener Robert:

I became a fan of Matt Taibbi when he was doing "Blender Kitty" in the NY Press in the 1980s. (Actually I think he had other-named features before that column.) And I was most gratified to learn yers later that I'd been pronouncing his last name correctly in my head.
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melinda:

@dale his dad was a TV newsman
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-Ken:

Mike Taibbi is Matt's Dad
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chresti:

Hi SM Ken and Techtonians.
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dale:

ah!
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PaulRobeson1920:

Interesting
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tim from champaign (now washington):

So why was Matt cancelled? What was your mini-cancel, Staysh?
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-Ken:

Matt will describe his cancellation in this interview. My mini cancellation was last June, when the WFMU staff wantedd to craft an institutional Racial Justice statement. I made the fatal error of suggesting that we have a staff wide meeting to craft the statement. I came under attack on Facebook.
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PaulRobeson1920:

Damaged eh? That reminds me of an Epictetus saying
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Ole 'Rick:

What a time' to be alive
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Damn you for trying to be inclusive, Staysh! Thanks for the explanation.
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G:

@Ken -- One would think that staff who believe in freeform programming would be really openminded about things, which is kind of the opposite of 'cancel mode.' One might in some cases be wrong.
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-Ken:

Onky $170 to go! Help Mark make his goal ! There aint no other show like this ANYWHERE
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dale:

it's difficult to do that sort of thing without it seeming like pandering sometimes. probably wise to get everyone on board.
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-Ken:

@G: it was a touchy moment, last June.
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PaulRobeson1920:

What a time to be alive!
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brainiac:

Never underestimate the canceling power of a single dedicated idiot.
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G:

I'm sure.
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Ole 'Rick:

Ken if I pledge can you FORCE Glen Jones to use a comment style playlist?
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iiibeat:

I saw in a doc about Kubrick and The Shining . . Jack Nicholson was telling about Kubrick interpreting Icarus . . Use different wings!
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admiral_crisp:

lmao I wish Jonesy had a playlist
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howard in nyc:

I did not know Matt's cancel episode was so serious, and had such damaging ramifications, like losing his book publisher. Didn't know Ken had a mini-cancel episode on Facebook. First question that comes to my mind, does Andy have an alibi?
  6:32pm
bobo:

two older white dudes got cancelled, kind of... takes a lot to make me cry.
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dale:

i asked x-ray on fb why there was no accu and he just said 'we operate outside of the rules.'
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PaulRobeson1920:

Plato wrote about Socrates getting canceled
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Nate K.:

Matt quoted tweeted me once as a reply, and I had to mute the thread within about 15 minutes of it happening and after explaining that I actually liked him, but had a question. It was a wild 15 minutes.
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-Ken:

*Nothing* could make Glen Jones open up his chatboard.
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Ole 'Rick:

LMAO That sounds about right Dale
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-Ken:

bobo, you are worse than Hitler's Hitler.
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dale:

he does NOT take criticism well.
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PaulRobeson1920:

Lincoln Douglass style debate before any cancelations, please, please
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admiral_crisp:

I kind of like the in the momentness of the no accu for Jones
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dale:

the older i get the more i realize that everyone is weird and everyone has baggage. and that's alright.
  6:35pm
Listener Robert:

Even Bill Kelly has a comments frame when he playlists.

As to the attacks on -Ken, let me guess: Somebody wanted to DICTATE a particular statement and just ASSUME the whole staff would agree. Am I close?
  6:36pm
Siobhan:

He seems to have a hard time distinguishing between trolls and people asking questions
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Fuzzy:

But often you'll never know what some song was or who did it because they don't even back-announce their selections -- same with Reggae Schoolroom.
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Cp304:

this is why I like the no agenda "value for value" model. totally funded, maintained by the producers. they even created their own twitterish style thing on mastadon.
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ultradamno:

And the tone of that quote tweet, and certainly of his amplifiers, was to shut down any contrary imput, as I recall.
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chresti:

The older I get the weirder I get.
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Cp304:

that's what I'm told also chresti
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melinda:

It sucks that writers have to be on Twitter with its dysfunction and minefields.
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admiral_crisp:

@fuzzy I've frequently tried to remember a snippet of the lyrics so I could search them up for a match
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Nate K.:

Love that he was a basketball player overseas.
  6:38pm
johnzo:

great interview! love Matt Taibi. Glad you guys didn't get cancelled. what internet mob was after Ken?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Webhamster Henry:

Benjamin Walker in the previous show like this one, Too Much Information, had a show on the theme of "For The Lolz" about really anti-social behavior (online and off) just for the thrill of trolling them.
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Webhamster Henry:

Here it is: wfmu.org...
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-Ken:

It was a batch of anonymous people on Facebook who were after me. If you look at Matt Taibbi's twitterfeed these days, he addresses lots of criticism seriously and directly. When youre in a position like his, it can be really hard to smell a troll right away.
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Ole 'Rick:

I just hate missing the name of a song cause with Jonesy it's heavily implied I should know all of the songs
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Fuzzy:

@admiral: that's one tactic -- I've used Soundhound to identify a song that was playing, but that's a pain -- unlock the phone, open the app, etc. Just back-announce your songs already!
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Kat in Chicago:

I remember that show, WH. Benjamin Walker did some good work on these airwaves.
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PaulRobeson1920:

It’s near impossible to emote in a text. I hope the humor of that Lincoln Douglass Post comes through.... Sarcasm does not translate well in text. No voice infliction.
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-Ken:

@Robert - The mob wanted a party line statement IMMEDIATELY and the idea of having a meeting to discuss it, which would delay the statement by two days. was taken as right wing blasphemy.
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-Ken:

ONLY $45 LEFT TO GO!!
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Nate K.:

Matt is way more interactive with people on Twitter than he really needs to be, and it can be quite constructive, too, not merely sport.
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melinda:

@Ken yikes
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Ole 'Rick:

I miss the late 1980s...
  6:42pm
P-90:

He’s right: RIP that “Warren Court sensibility”
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Kat in Chicago:

*Benjamen, not Benjamin
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melinda:

I discovered FMU after Benjamen Walker's show but found his podcast around the same time.
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PaulRobeson1920:

A writer of “The Wire” David Simon mows the figurative Twitter Lawn daily.
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tim from champaign (now washington):

@Chresti - I'm the same.
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PaulRobeson1920:

Twitter, like the Television is not suited for Seriousness. The form excludes the content. (Neil Postman)
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Rory:

Love Matt Taibbi!
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iiibeat:

Timothy Leary is rolling in his grave about how most people use the Internet . . Wait . . His ashes were shot into outer space. Nevermind!!
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Webhamster Henry:

Social media has taken the place of newspapers without the historical obligations of the press. The Knight Foundation is trying to figure out some of this stuff.
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chresti:

Also, the older I get, the less I care what other people think of my weirdness.
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Rory:

Can’t believe you got to interview him Ken!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

A couple of years ago, a whole South Park season featured online trolling.
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iiibeat:

The press has always been full of shit . . In strong measures.
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Hahahaha "How can the Democrats still blow it" - hahahahahaha. Perfect, Ken.
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chresti:

Hi Tim and Cp! Fellow weirdos!
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Handy Haversack:

I keep deleting comments. Not sure I can compress my thoughts on this into a chat comment. Though I'll reiterate a common comment of mine on this show, and I think late Taibbi really embodies it: you can't solve the horrid, soul-killing problems of capitalism through more capitalism.

Gotta take off. Thanks for filling in, Staysh.

Be well, all!
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dale:

sportsy talk was on and early numbers were coming in. jim the poet said trump was ahead in man states and bronwyn c said 'oh, he can't win.'
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iiibeat:

People just want to believe things. Herd instinct?
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PaulRobeson1920:

Umm
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Hey Chrest!
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PaulRobeson1920:

Critical thinking is a learned skill?
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-Ken:

Itold Matt that we had a policy of not uttering Trump's name, so he was embarrassed to break the rule...
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Cp304:

that's sad
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ultradamno:

There really is no Hunter Biden story at this point. Not that far from the date of the interview, how quickly things are moving.
  6:53pm
P-90:

Actually Dr. Leary’s predictions about how the internet would affect culture and politics are proving more amazingly accurate every day.
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Rory:

I’ll listen to the beginning on the archives. Thanks!
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iiibeat:

Trump is a mutation of the Tea Party movement as given through mainstream media.
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Rory:

Also, Katie Harper is awesome!
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Rory:

Halper
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melinda:

Mongolian Rodman haha
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Webhamster Henry:

The Mongolian Meadowlark Lemon.
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dale:

the mongolian globetrotters.
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dale:

henry beat me to it.
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Kat in Chicago:

*whistles Sweet Georgia Brown*
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melinda:

Meadowlark Lemon is one of the best names ever.
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PaulRobeson1920:

“If people treat you disrespectfully or speak unkindly about you, remember that they do so from their impression that it is right to do so. It is unrealistic to expect people to see you as you see yourself. If people reach conclusions based on false impressions, they are the ones hurt rather than you, because it is they who are misguided.
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Webhamster Henry:

Sorry , dale! I cede my time.
  6:57pm
P-90:

Did Ken mention the date of the interview?
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Rory:

Useful Idiots great podcast!
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PaulRobeson1920:

“...When someone interprets a true proposition as a false one, the proposition itself isn’t hurt; only the person who holds the wrong view is deceived, and thus damaged. Once you clearly understand this, you will be less likely to feel affronted by others, even if they revile you. You can say to yourself, “It seemed so to that person, but that is only his impression.”
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Kat in Chicago:

I think he said a week ago?
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Cp304:

i think it was 19th of Oct P90
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PaulRobeson1920:

Ooo The Denis Rodman of Mongolia!?
  6:57pm
Zetti:

Thanks, Matt, Ken!
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Nice fill-in, Staysh! Thanks!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Ken! Thanks Matt!
  6:59pm
P-90:

One week ago! Fascinating how some of the news topics discussed have updated since the interview took place...
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Fuzzy:

Thanks Ken and Matt!
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Fuzzy:

reCAPTCHA vs. humans
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Rory:

Wait till they add weapons to these robot dogs. Scary times... thanksthanksthanks all!
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Deborah:

So interesting tonight.
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howard in nyc:

That Black Mirror episode featuring the robot dog was the most terrifying sci-fi thing I've seen. And it is basically a real life thing.
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Cp304:

skynet time Rory
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Bas NL:

As long as Spot doesn't start trolling..
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Turning on lights and adjusting the stereo is definitely worth $75,000.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Some pictures of Spot here: www.dudeiwantthat.com...
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Deborah:

Maybe Spot is trolling!
  7:00pm
P-90:

“The biped robots were losers” ugh, I was afraid of that...
Thanks @Ken. First rate show.
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ultradamno:

Will Spot maul you if you attempt to prevent him from self charge?
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a5vzener:

Black Mirror horror.
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Webhamster Henry:

Get Spot to pledge!
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-Ken:

Thanks for hanging out everybody!
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Webhamster Henry:

Robot squirrel will fix that!
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Michael 98145:

Great archive episode. Thanks.
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