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Favoriting October 22, 2018: Yasha Levine, author, "Surveillance Valley"

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This week: Yasha Levine, author, "Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet"

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All EFF'd Up (Baffler, summer 2018)

Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet

Recent Tech News

Apple demands retraction from Bloomberg (Mercury News, Oct 19) - following the Chinese-chip story we discussed last week and the week before.

Natasha Tusikov: "Google’s Nest Labs reveals it’s handed over smarthome data 300 times since 2015, with govt’s seeking data on over 500 Nest users. Smart devices a boon for law enforcement surveillance."

A court upholds but curbs India’s giant biometric ID system (The Economist, Sept 27): Aadhaar is "a vast biometric identification scheme containing the personal details, fingerprints and iris patterns" of 1.2 billion Indian citizens. India's Supreme Court ruled that "Aadhaar was constitutional and could remain obligatory for those wishing to receive public benefits or file taxes. Given that a majority of Indians do one or the other, that in effect makes participation mandatory. "

Thousands Of Swedes Are Inserting Microchips Under Their Skin (NPR, October 22): "Proponents say they're safe and largely protected from hacking, but one scientist is raising privacy concerns around the kind of personal health data that might be stored on the devices. Around the size of a grain of rice, the chips are typically inserted into the skin just above each user's thumb... One coworking space and innovation hub in Stockholm is holding a large implant party this month where a tech startup, DSruptive, is promising to reveal "the next generation consumer-level implant." The device will include 2 KB of memory, double that of earlier implants, a range of new functions and an LED light designed to improve privacy by blinking if someone tries to read or access an implant."

Who's getting chipped next? You? (Biometric ID now being rolled out in India; China requires smartphone use; here in the US, look for billionaires and prisoners to get it first, then for billionaires to abandon while chips - if Big Tech gets its way - become compulsory for the bottom 99.9%.)

Who Will Teach Silicon Valley to Be Ethical? (NYT, Oct 21): Kara Swisher quotes Anne Wojcicki, CEO of 23andme: “I think it has to be our management and leaders who have to add this to our skill set, rather than just hire one person to determine this.”

Review of three recent books on tech + rising inequality (Wired, Oct 22): "The narrative of disruption duped us into thinking this was a new kind of capitalism. The authors argue that tech companies conquered the world not with software, but via the usual route to power: ducking regulation, squeezing workers, strangling competitors, consolidating power, raising rents, and riding the wave of an economic shift already well underway."

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Listener comments!

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βrian:

I can't believe I'm finally catching this show!
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ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techsidermists!
  6:02pm
melinda:

Hi Techtons!
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geezerette:

tech-toons !
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark & Techtonici!
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Michael 98145:

-- who would chip themselves like a dog ??
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queems:

hey guys
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Rich in Washington:

Bloop!
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geezerette:

OK, already scared...
  6:04pm
melinda:

I like it too
  6:05pm
Roland from Australia:

Online after a brief absence looking forward to the show
Avatar 🤖 6:05pm
herb.nyc:

yes, that is nice - techsidermists. and the DERM may apply to the MICROCHIPS UNDER THEIR SKIN item.
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geezerette:

Sir Valiance
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ultradamno:

@herb Happy coincidence that.
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northguineahills:

I don't think I've seen a Baffler in 15 years, I used to get every issue I could find!
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geezerette:

Ben & Jerry's "Chinese-Chip". Yum.
  6:08pm
seedfriend:

Who brought the chips?
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, anonymously sourced Techtonicals!
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geezerette:

Tim Cookies
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Michael 98145:

@Gz'ette :)
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coelacanth∅:

they are not valuable they're just wealthy
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chresti:

so they should fix it- apple and Ammazon
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Michael 98145:

guess i'd forgotten that Nest was googled. i'm still angry about organizations forcing their email support to the data miners.
Avatar 6:12pm
βrian:

Anyone know how to bypass a LiftMaster door opener, so I can use wireless features independently?
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geezerette:

I call it CRAZY.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

By walking on a publicly-funded sidewalk, you waive your right to claim avoidance of benefits. :-(
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
ultradamno:

It's kind like how Saudi Arabia effectively banned women from driving by making it illegal for a woman to get a license not to drive a car per se.
  6:15pm
seedfriend:

We next
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chresti:

ewww
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βrian:

Two-factor authentation often requires a cell phone, too. It's not about security, really.
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chresti:

hahaha!
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queems:

that reminds me i need to register my cat's microchip
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chresti:

(gulp!)
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geezerette:

We should just surrender our brains.
  6:18pm
melinda:

Aaagh no implant chips please
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chresti:

the y want to be in a star treck world
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chresti:

*trek
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coelacanth∅:

a party? i'll bring my special kool-aid
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Phil with the phone:

sign me up for implants. Today flash drive implants tomorrow full cyborg
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geezerette:

"Consumer Level Implant"!!!!!!!
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Greg from ZONE 5:

NO!
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Michael 98145:

- we don't need no steenking badges -
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queems:

i'm ok with it if there is also guacamole
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Michael 98145:

sex toy implants ?
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chresti:

they'll be able to fly around
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geezerette:

Zombies first.
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Pen:

i'll take two chips please
  6:20pm
COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

I used to work for Google doing surveillance. Not lying. Past my NDA now, so I'll say this: they are evil. Avoid their products.
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chresti:

Barbarella
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geezerette:

chresti, Like Yoko Ono said.
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ultradamno:

They could introduce the chips in the form of eyeball jewelry for the body mod kids: abcnews.go.com...
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chresti:

!!!!
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geezerette:

Is this the Halloween show?
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chresti:

yoko!!
  6:23pm
melinda:

When I read the topic of today's show on the special programs page my heart sank, since I started supporting in 2016 as an effort to join the "resistance ".
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chresti:

scarier!
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geezerette:

O No! Don't pop ANOTHER bubble!
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chresti:

sounds illegal
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chresti:

but google said they don't want to be evil!
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northguineahills:

I'd prefer the EFF to be EMF, then it wouldn't be so unbelievable, *ohhhhhhhhhh*!
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βrian:

Google changed it's mind.
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COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

Google is a major US military and intelligence contractor.
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herb.nyc:

oh crazy, I always thought the EFF were good people.
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geezerette:

But the corporations ARE the government.
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Michael 98145:

money changes everything
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I heard about the EFF here :
psychedelicsalon.com...
...Very disappointing
...Things have changed, I think, since the 1990s when CyberSpace seemed a new & free Territory - which forward-thinkers wanted to be Unregulated
...but now - these Tech Giants are obviously classic Capitalist Monopolies.
...The Bill of Rights didn't transfer to Digital as soon as our own Data was not our own Property...
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Mark Hurst:

Yasha points out that the EFF has done good work in trying to curb gov't surveillance, but has stayed mostly silent about the surveillance carried out by their funders (Google, Facebook)
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The Web was supposed to Decentralize Power...
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chresti:

everyone's on the take
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geezerette:

Trojan Horse and beads.
  6:41pm
JakeGhould:

Boo!
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Mark Hurst:

"Innovation"
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...a lot like the question of how much the Government was involved in the Psychedelic Movement - when & on what level...
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Buffalo's Tom:

Hello, Mark and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Buffalo's Tom!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Buffalo's Tom:

Thanks for another enlightening show! I see I needed a more nuanced view of the EFF.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Tom
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Mark Hurst:

RevRabbit'63 - we'll get close to that, a bit, next week
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herb.nyc:

can we start a GIGGLE company that mocks GOOGLE? how about a FACECROOK company?
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melinda:

I'm not sure what to do with my EFF t-shirt now. It has a cute cat on it but it feels tainted now.
  6:46pm
JakeGhould:

FWIW, the EFF here sounds like a character type I have come across over the years and who I have dubbed—and I made this up so accept no substitutes—the “Outraged Ineffectual Enabler: Someone in a group who is outraged at some behavior in the group, but is ultimately an ineffective enabler of that behavior.”
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Mark Hurst:

I see what you did with that username, Jake :)
  6:48pm
JakeGhould:

Boo! Go away! Leave my house! Boo!
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βrian:

@melinda: Add an apostrophe and "d."
  6:48pm
JakeGhould:

Your name should be “Mark Blood Thurst”
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northguineahills:

Is the Google HQ campus be a Googleplex?
  6:49pm
COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

Facebook wants brains.
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coelacanth∅:

melinda you can print "ef" in front of "eff"
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Michael 98145:

How much $$ does Wal Mart shovel to China every day ?
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geezerette:

Use Ouija boards. They're wireless too.
  6:49pm
Robert Tables:

@melinda, same here. I've contributed in the past for some EFF swag, but I'm not so proud to wear it anymore. WFMU swag of course is better.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Yasha.
  6:50pm
COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

Brains! Google want brains!
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geezerette:

{:^(
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Michael 98145:

♫ :)
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coelacanth∅:

Michael, you mean "how much $$, which they stole from all taxpaying us citizens, does mallwart shovel to china?"?
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melinda:

@Robert it has only been an at-home shirt but I have a sticker on my car too! I will have to cover it with an FMU sticker.
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Michael 98145:

yes, @coel
  6:52pm
JakeGhould:

@geezerette: Your name should be… Geezerbloodlette
  6:52pm
JakeGhould:

@herb.nyc: Your name should be FrankenHerb.NYC
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queems:

woop woop art show
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geezerette:

@Jake: Why? /:cD
  6:53pm
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Great show, Mark, thanks! - http://freemusicarchive.org/music/half_cocked/Sausage_Party/half_cocked_-_Sausage_Party_-_02_-_CIA_Man
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
ultradamno:

I'd think Parker Bros. would have come up with a way to monetize Ouija interaction surveillance.
  6:54pm
JakeGhould:

FOR HALLOWEEN!!!! OMFG!!!

Anyway, perfectly rectangular iceberg… Goldberg, it’s all the same to me! qz.com...
  6:55pm
chresti:

Hahaha!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'Don't Be Evil' ...implies it was a concern form the start??
  6:56pm
chresti:

Get ‘em!!
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ultradamno:

Wow, that shape of iceberg can't be a good sign.
  6:56pm
JakeGhould:

FWIW, I did appreciate when Yasha said that being offline and not a part of the Internet is basically like being a hermit. I know, some people have no problems with that. But it does bring up the idea that society is now a part of social media and visa versa. So how to balance and protect? That’s the deal.
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coelacanth∅:

fastmail wants money.
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Pen:

ice consciousness
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Michael 98145:

i am happy with my protonmail experience
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melinda:

@Jake I appreciated that too
  6:58pm
JakeGhould:

I also have a Protonmail.
  6:58pm
P-90:

Fascinating, always. Thanks!
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coelacanth∅:

i have a protonmail account. i made it amonth ago but haven't gotten around to changing my contacts' info
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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Michael 98145:

thanks again, Mark H.
  7:00pm
JakeGhould:

Boo!
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northguineahills:

happy thanks, Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
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chresti:

Rev-that was a mission statement the google bros made
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

Too scary, Jake! Thanks, everyone, for being with me this evening.
Avatar 7:00pm
geezerette:

Protonmail looks good.

Thanks, Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks!
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chresti:

I love this song!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm
Michael 98145:

now we fry
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