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Options October 1, 2018: Douglas Durst and the National Debt Clock

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This week: Douglas Durst, speaking about the National Debt Clock



For more reading:

Wikipedia on the National Debt Clock

‘I support higher taxes’: The billionaire behind the National Debt Clock has had it with Trump, by Heather Long (Washington Post, Sept 17): "The United States hasn’t had this high of a debt level as a percent of GDP since the World War II era, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. It’s expected to grow quickly as Social Security, Medicare and interest payments balloon."

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Recent Tech News

• Google's Pichai headed to testify; Musk is out, with a fine, but posts a parting shot; and Facebook got hacked again. Funny how Facebook users continually get hacked, while the genuinely valuable (to Facebook) filtering algorithm never seems to be compromised...

Gavin Sheridan on the Facebook's hack (Oct 1): "It's the biggest hack of Facebook ever. And is up there with the biggest (if not *the* biggest) hacks of all time... To be clear: if the hack is even half as bad as reports suggest, this could potentially be company-ending level of hack. We need more info from Facebook."

Scott Galloway on Facebook (Sept 28): "There is something very unhealthy brewing at Facebook Inc. Facebook now feels like the information-age KGB, minus the charm. The KGB has a code, and its agents love their country. Facebook is run by people who appear to have no code or anything resembling honor — no loyalty to country or each other, and no unifying principle (other than let's lie and get much, much richer)."

Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access to Your Shadow Contact Information (Sept 26): "Even if you deliberately don't include your mobile number in your Facebook profile, they'll harvest it when you use it for two-factor authentication, and let advertisers target you with it." -Tom Gara

John Gruber on Facebook (Sept 27): "At this point I consider Facebook a criminal enterprise. Maybe not legally, but morally."

The parable of the shoe shop, by Morten Rand-Hendriksen (Sept 29): "I walked into a shoe store today and looked at some shoes."

Ryan Gallagher: "Google compiled a censorship blacklist containing the terms ‘human rights’, ‘student protest’, ‘Nobel Prize’, phrases involving President Xi Jinping & other members of China’s ruling Communist Party regime."

The Justice Department sues California over its new net neutrality law. What a surprise (LA Times, Oct 1)

And for the Uncanny Valley:

Travellers refusing digital search now face $5000 Customs fine (Oct 1): "Travellers who refuse to hand over their phone or laptop passwords to Customs officials can now be slapped with a $5,000 fine." Welcome to New Zealand.

...and finally...

Techtonic community news:

• Our friends at the Reanimation Library need a new home! Listen to the show with founder Andrew Beccone.

• Tomorrow (Tuesday, Oct 2), past guest James Bridle speaks at HousingWorks Soho. Thanks to herb.nyc for the pointer.

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  One of the most striking data visualizations in the world sits half a block from Times Square: the National Debt Clock, which displays the current U.S. national debt, and your family's share of it. In this episode, Mark Hurst interviews Douglas Durst, who manages the National Debt Clock - using technology to raise awareness about a pressing issue.
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:01pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark, techutantes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:01pm Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonicpledgees!
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:02pm Serpent Strike:

Hello, Mark. Just listening in.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:03pm northguineahills:

Not related to Fred Durst, I take it...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and facebookphobes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:03pm Linda Lee:

'evening Mark & the 'Tonics!
debt clock has been up a long time, yes? i think i remember when it was in the single billions..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:04pm Webhamster Henry:

is there a webcam?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:04pm Linda Lee:

apparently yes, ngh.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:05pm Kat in Chicago:

I definitely remember seeing it in the 90s when I lived in NYC
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:05pm herb.nyc:

Hi mark et al, am hand washing some shirts now. For when the techmageddon comes, our smart washers will be pretty useless. Durst on...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I hear California is trying to legislate some net neutrality and the feds are planning to sue them immediately to take it away. <Bill the Cat emoji>
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

It's only scary if there's no economic collapse.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:09pm dale:

herb - you need a washer with a mechanical timer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:09pm ultradamno:

www.latimes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:09pm Linda Lee:

debt held by 'the public' ~ while literal trillions have been misplaced under military action. have to love it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Online version: www.usdebtclock.org
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:11pm Michael 98145:

good point, @LL
Avatar Mon. 10/1/18 6:12pm geezerette:

Ken FHP, that's true. Things are bad out there already folks. Surrealism and plastic !
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:12pm Mark Hurst:

Just added the LA Times piece to the playlist. Thanks, ultradamno
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:12pm Bas NL:

I think the debt clock is brilliant.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:12pm dale:

are they anti-abortion folks still hanging out in that area?
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:12pm AgDave:

Makes me weep. Thanks, though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:13pm Linda Lee:

'buried in their screens' ~ there's an interesting visual
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:14pm Webhamster Henry:

How about projecting it on the Washington Monument?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:14pm Mark Hurst:

Good point, LL - hadn't considered that
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:14pm Michael 98145:

interesting. the current US population is estimated to be 328,711,210.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:15pm Linda Lee:

this right here is why the debt clock isn't beginning & ending every television broadcast. the answer to it isn't something the powerful media owners want a dialogue on.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:16pm Ken From Hyde Park:

If that orange guy who's on TV all the time paid his taxes, how much would that affect the bottom line?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:17pm Michael 98145:

@Ken, how many years back should we go ...?
Avatar Mon. 10/1/18 6:17pm geezerette:

Feels like Weimar to me...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:19pm Linda Lee:

heard a great discussion on the new trade wars today with Mr. James Corbett. if you don't know him, check this out. smart man. www.corbettreport.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:20pm Linda Lee:

orange guy is small change, though he'd have you believe otherwise.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:22pm Linda Lee:

by the way, Mark, James Corbett is someone who's been talking about resistance to mainstream social media & viable alternatives for a while now. how about a chat?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:24pm northguineahills:

The last time I saw the debt clock, it was in Union Sq South, but, even when I lived in Brooklyn, I rarely went to Manhattan after 2007.
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:25pm convoy_pt2:

Perhaps Fred Durst’s brother??
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:25pm Michael 98145:

i'm gradually migrating to ProtonMail, so i'll see how that goes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:25pm Linda Lee:

that's correct, according to SM Ken.
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:25pm convoy_pt2:

I meant Robert!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:26pm Linda Lee:

Yes, Robert.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:31pm ultradamno:

So a misinformation machine that tracks you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:31pm Linda Lee:

our lawmakers are such cheap dates, too.
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:33pm dr.doppler:

What happens if you google the biggest lobbiest???
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:34pm dale:

elon musk never created any new product but took TONS of government subsidies to do so. perfect con man.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:34pm Webhamster Henry:

The Union Square display is not a debt clock, it's just a clock. macaulay.cuny.edu...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:36pm Linda Lee:

just another entitled jackass, seems like.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:36pm ultradamno:

OPP
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:37pm AgDave:

Wait, now. This is an all politics show? On WFMU?
I thought Ken forbade all such comment and even slight nuance
from his airwaves 2 years ago. What is going on?
I was so discouraged that Clay got his paid job by going along with the line...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:39pm Bas NL:

And what about: www.dailymail.co.uk...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:40pm dale:

i'm sure to keep an fcc license agdave there needs to be a bit of local and educational content. this fills that slot.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:41pm Linda Lee:

Mark, please talk to James Corbett about the Facebook alternatives. Final request. :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:42pm Jeff Moore:

DJs still have opinions, and sometimes they choose to express them. I believe that the morning show in particular, though, is meant to be an oasis of freedom from the current dumpster fire.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:42pm Michael 98145:

Cripes, Re: instagram "Systrom, 34, is worth $1.4 billion, while the 32-year-old Krieger's wealth is estimated at about $500 million, according to Forbes."
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:43pm clink:

what is a good alt to g-mail email?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:43pm Linda Lee:

<< Galloway's comment points to why US fascism is the most venal the world has ever seen. >>
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:44pm AgDave:

@dale- it's a great surprise to me, is all. I've been away in Canada.
Go, Hurst. Go Durst!
Bugles for everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:45pm ultradamno:

A political show was launched here within the last two years, The TARFU Report, but circumstances intervened.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:46pm Linda Lee:

aren't they doing that in US already? phone/laptop search?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:47pm Michael 98145:

guess we'll have to leave our tweeter at home
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:47pm Linda Lee:

how 'bout if you have a device? are they barring entry?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:48pm Folsom:

fbi forced someone to unlock their iphone by putting in front of their face
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:48pm Fuzzy:

Time to store everything on a good private cloud server and carry a blank phone when travellng.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:48pm Linda Lee:

US border agents & phones/laptops: www.washingtonpost.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:49pm Linda Lee:

that's right, Fuzzy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:49pm Fuzzy:

Face is biometric like a fingerprint...use a good long passcode instead to unlock your device.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:50pm Linda Lee:

i meant to ask: how 'bout if you don't have a device? barred entry?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:51pm Linda Lee:

nice wings shirt! it's a hawk!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:52pm Folsom:

@fuzzy even better host your own server
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 6:53pm ultradamno:

I got Creamo's CD last time 'round, which I highly recommend.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:54pm Fuzzy:

@Folsom: yes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:55pm Carmichael:

That's why I won't buy the iPhone 10. Too big brother. My thumb print is scary enough.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:57pm dale:

electric vehicles were around at the turn of the 19th century.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:57pm dale:

range will ALWAYS be the issue.
Avatar Mon. 10/1/18 6:58pm Luisa24:

What about Amazon! Shipping junk all over the world. Bezos is 60 billion rich...Don't shop Amazon!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 6:58pm dale:

20th century i meant to say.
  Mon. 10/1/18 6:59pm AgDave:

Thanks for this refreshing show
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 7:00pm Michael 98145:

if i remember correctly, the first automobile in seattle was an electric car
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 7:00pm Folsom:

china only has about 1.2billion of us debt
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 7:00pm Michael 98145:

thanks again, Mark H
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 7:00pm Folsom:

whoops 1.2 trillion
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 7:00pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 7:00pm Linda Lee:

thanks again Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 7:01pm dale:

why do these issues always become our problem when it's our elected 'leaders' and corporate executives (who stand to profit the most) who are responsible for offshoring all of our production?
  Mon. 10/1/18 7:01pm mistrrcaz:

yes, ProtonMail has free intro
accounts.

in the beginning, 2+ years ago, you had to wait for them to send a link, but I think that is over.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 7:02pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, appreciate all your comments this evening!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/1/18 7:02pm Michael 98145:

yes, PM signup is quite quick and painless today
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/1/18 7:02pm Webhamster Henry:

I'm on Panix.
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