WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 1, 2021

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Techgin is poured! Well, Techrye, Techvermouth, and Techchartreuse. But still: Tonic welcome.
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Technoids! Howdy Mark.
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtorrespondents!
	6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Lousy Smarch technology!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Smarch ... the Big Techiest month ...
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi there "March" Hurst!
	6:02pm kevlicki: Hey Mark and all! Long time since I been here live
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Hello hello hello. Fresh tech news ahead.
	6:02pm Phillippe Bastille: hey there
	6:02pm ARB: Hi Mark! Hi kindred spirits of the comments board!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Markonians!
	6:03pm melinda: hi all!
	🤖 6:03pm herb.nyc: Oh looky, it’s Monday March First, Or, it’s Techtonic with Mark Hurst.
	6:03pm Ike: It’s tech but it’s also WFMU’s one show about “IRL”, heh.
	6:03pm Cris: Ello M8's
	6:03pm ledzeppelinsucks: One day in 2000 I was sharing a table with two people at The Lanesplitter. Berkeley had a big Enron office. These people at the table were talking about placing surplus military generators on remote land and putting that generated power on the grid to sell it as imported. I figured out they were Enron employees weeks later.
	6:04pm melinda: speaking of IRL I miss the show In Real life
	6:04pm ultradamno: Me too!
	6:05pm listener 126464: Ditto
	6:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: GutenNoches.
	6:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: I adopted Emily & Kimzilla one year. It was fun to send them care packages.
	🤖 6:06pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Mark and folks!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...NemoMusk, I dub thee...
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Glad you have the wifis tonight, Rev Rab!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...except maybe Nemo was a somewhat sympathetic narcissist ??...
	6:08pm -Ken: hello all
	6:08pm chris in the redwoods: lets start a rumor about how all teslas are mining bitcoin as they drive around... hi, Mark and the TechTones
	6:08pm melinda: @chris haha
	6:08pm yippie: if you want criticize the electric consumption of bitcoin you should compare it to the environmental damage of the federal reserve
	6:08pm Cris: Wait they aren't?
	🤖 6:08pm Bas NL: Hi Ken!
	🤖 6:09pm tim from champaign (now washington): No matter how much I try I do not understand what bitcoin and crypocurrency is. I'm not being a smart ass but the best I can make out is that it's money for nothing.
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: Hey folks
	6:09pm yippie: all cars and gas to transport money
	🤖 6:09pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Staysh! Good luck with the Marathon!
	6:10pm The Butterman: Elon just made my internet drop out. He knows you’re talking about him.
	6:10pm yippie: bitcoin mining is done in places with cheap renewable electric
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: Hey! my $13 of Ethers is now worth abut $50.46
	6:10pm -Ken: Thanks Tim! bitcoin is indeed money for nothing, just as much o the stock market is money for nothing also
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy - I gotta get the covid relief Socialist WiFis from ComCast ...to stay on topic here: were it not such a malevolent monopoly - perhaps WiFis could simply be broadcast without the corporate gating... I do not believe it costs them that much...
	6:11pm melinda: @tim I don't really get it either, except that the decentralized nature of it seems to be the main selling point.
	6:11pm iiibeat: Say . . After the Federal Government breaks apart Big Tech . . Why doesn't the Federal Government BREAK ITSELF apart!! (Into 3 or 5 pieces. 3or5 presidents, 3or5 Houses and 3or5 high courts.)
	6:11pm melinda: and that it's important not to lose your bitcoin password or something
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	6:12pm yippie: the federal reserves printers are the real money for nothing
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @chris Teslas mining bitcoin? interesting idea... though it looks like Elon can make a cool billion with a simple post on Twitter... why work harder than that?
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: @RR here in Kingston, there's the Kingston Equitable Internet Initative, which is going to try to get peer-to-peer internet for free for those who want it. It's a system like the ones Mark covered a few months ago. keii.network
	6:14pm iiibeat: yippie . . Fiat.
	6:14pm yippie: bitcoins are created when you use electricity and computers to mathematically prove the accuracy of previous bitcoin transactions
	6:14pm Kashmir: Tech is evil. I miss looking things up.
	🤖 6:14pm tim from champaign (now washington): Also, is cryptocurrency literally mined. As in dug out of the earth and minted?
	6:15pm Zetti: Is it true that the first tests of a police robotic-dog is being tested only in poor communities in NYC?
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Course - as a filthy Commie - I'ma say there is no Free Market as some Milton Friedman Natural State ...nothing is more ManMade than the Market.... Who is it serving is the only question. WebHenry - they stole the damn Interwebz from The People is all there is to it...
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Zetti totally true
	6:16pm iiibeat: Just seems like . . An entity with too much power breaking apart entities with too much power . . Should follow suit.
	6:16pm ledzeppelinsucks: The ads on DC Metro are to influence politicians. A back lit poster of starving kids or blown up refugees at 7AM is a nice thing to see.
	🤖 6:16pm herb.nyc: Oh yeah, I remember the Markup subway ad!
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: iiibeat - Democracy Is Coming to the USA said Leonard Cohen ...I guess he was an optimist...
	6:17pm -Ken: Wow, Blacklight is a really great tool!
	6:17pm headcleaner: btw the price of BTC has already fallen by about two thirds off the peak ($58k) it reached about 12 days after Tesla made its $1.5 billion purchase. And according to analysts, is expected to fall further. So the claim that Tesla is making a huge profit from their purchase seems overblown - if anything, they're likely to lose money
	6:17pm The Butterman: This shit stresses me out.
	6:17pm headcleaner: (not that I'm defending Elon Musk or nuthin')
	6:17pm PJ: @iiibeat: Historically, balkanization has not been a recipe for peace or prosperity. If you think a US broken up into 4 or 5 countries would be a good thing, I am guessing you are not a person of color in say, Mississippi.
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @headcleaner you're quite sure they didn't sell before the price dropped?
	6:19pm yippie: i think Hawaii should become its own country
	6:19pm -Ken: One problem I see with the Markup's great Blacklight tool, is that for the many truly awful sites, they have so much tracking shit on their sites, that Blacklight times out
	6:19pm Kashmir: The problem is the users of this info give these tech giants their power. Log off.
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: I like how "algorithm" sweeps so much under the rug as to what an "algorithm" is, or how much human intervention there is, etc. etc. As a guy who wrote a system for sorting incoming mail by looking for keywords in the early 2000s, in that system, it eventually got to an agent who could figure out what the real deal was .
	6:20pm PJ: @iiibeat: But we'll see how your Brexit plan works out - lotta upside there for the very rich.
	6:20pm ledzeppelinsucks: OSHA is a good example. Life expectancy went up by many years after OSHA enforcement started.
	6:22pm headcleaner: @Mark - I think we would have seem some news about such a sale, if they did. Recall the stated intent of the purchase was as long-term hold ("we're gonna buy a whole bunch and hold on to it for a long time, because we're so bullish about it").
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...start with enabling the PoCs in MS to actually Vote - w/out obstruction - & have their Vote counted equally... Complete Future Shock ...like explain BlockChain again... Who can keep up ?? Im not a Luddite - I'm poor !!... Lies, damn lies - & statistics ...hey it worked for Robert McNamara...
	6:22pm kevlicki: Webhamster Henry are you familiar with NYC mesh? https://www.nycmesh.net/ It would be special to have a similar network in the Hudson valley. I forget if Mark has done a show on NYC Mesh. Audio Interference a podcast from Interference Achive did one awhile back https://m.soundcloud.com/interference-archive-nyc/audio-interference-64-community-networks
	6:22pm Mark Hurst: Show on NYC Mesh from Nov 2019: www.wfmu.org...
	6:24pm Dean: Just arrived, so maybe Mark or Nabiha mentioned this: MIT Technology Review on "What Is an Algorithm?" https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/02/26/1020007/what-is-an-algorithm/
	6:24pm Kashmir: Never assume big tech tells the truth about anything
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: "If you like fascism, you might like to join these groups!"
	6:26pm Davefrom Brooklyn: PBS did a show on the FDA years ago. The FDA decided that 45 trace elements of toxins was an acceptable number of toxins. Apparently, that number was considered ok because that's how many toxins there were!! Our FDA doesn't try to protect us,it protects the food industry
	6:26pm yippie: and bitcoin is anonymus like duckduckgo, not tracking all your moves like banks and google
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: @kevlicki yes he had them or a similar NYC based group on!
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yup - it's all PR. They profit on contention & radicalism... ACCOUNTABILITY. When Zucker's worth +$200Billion ? Accountable to whom ??
	6:26pm iiibeat: PJ . . One umbrella of action . . Still the Federal Government, still the USA. Out from your box! It has to be an odd number . . 3 or 5. A majority is always available. Democracy more perfect.
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: bandcamp.com tests out quite well on Blacklight.
	6:27pm headcleaner: @Mark - recent reports (see link below) suggest Tesla is in trouble for their buy and that "the shine is off" the Feb 21 peak that was triggered by their announcement. BTW I'm not saying that you're trying to pull a fast one on us - just that stuff has happened since the bullisht report you were quoting. Here's a somewhat more recent take on the Tesla BTC purchase: https://news.yahoo.com/bitcoin-plunge-drags-tesla-down-164223955.html
	6:28pm -Ken: Wow, bandcamp got a zero. WFMU got a one. Thinking about that twitter feed on the homepage now...
	6:28pm headcleaner: bitcoin is "semi-anonymous" - there's a whole cottage industry around de-anonymizing BTC transactions
	🤖 6:29pm herb.nyc: The Markup followed Facebook and caught them in a lie? Nicely done! Oh feds, what are ya gonna do about it?
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: For about a year, I've been try to push for a kind of simple idea for establishing trust. Just sign your posts, sign your data sign everything! True or false is not as important as what is the provenance of that report or post. Then, you simply don't trust unsigned messages. The trick is to get less friction in the signing/verification process.
	6:30pm yippie: no one asks for your social security number to make an account
	6:31pm Fuzzy: Shout out to ublock Origin and Cookie Autodelete extensions!
	6:31pm yippie: no id card needed
	6:31pm headcleaner: NYC Mesh is great (by all accounts, and based on my own brief interactions with their support people). However, it is sadly still very limited in its reach (due to the fact that you need to have a line-of-sight to a site that already has it... in addition to being willing to go through the hoops to set it up on your own location). Which means ins that in many key areas where it could help the most, it's still just practically not available.
	6:32pm Tome: last time i donated blood they wanted my SSN ,, so I gave @ the office instead ...
	6:32pm headcleaner: That said it (NYC Mesh) would make for a great topic for Mark's show
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: headcleaner, yeah, I know several people who are into the promulgation of NYC Mesh but no one who actually has service from it.
	6:32pm chris in the redwoods: being truly anonymous online is extremely difficult, headcleaner. take a butt ton of info security knowledge and perfect practices.
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Linked to this before - & Cory from the EFF has been on this show too - but I found (in my ignorance) this helpful for understanding the 'Business Models' & the whole situation : psychedelicsalon.com...
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Jhhl.net is nice and zero. I have a funny resume page that puts up a notice after a few seconds that says "This site doesn't use cookies, giving the better user experience that you know we are not tracking you or selling your interaction data".
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: I posted the link above to my interview with NYC Mesh from Nov 2019
	6:34pm yippie: and luck that the cia doesnt secretly own your vpn
	6:34pm headcleaner: @yippie - the point is that on the internet, anonymity is never quite what it seems. "They" can find out who you are (or nearly as good: what kind of person you are) very quickly, even if you think you may be surfing anonymously - and even if you're behind a VPN
	6:34pm Roland from Australia: Been reading excellent “the markup” newsletter for some time now, in future I’m going to record how I discover good reads like this, I can only imagine that perhaps through a “team human” episode?
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark - some people don't realize there are alternatives.
	6:34pm Kashmir: What is the url for black light?
	6:34pm -Ken: Oh man! Mark Hurst rickrolled me with that NYC Mesh link! Mark!!!! Youre such a rascal
	6:34pm iiibeat: Google is God!
	6:34pm headcleaner: @chris - yep that's what I'm saying
	6:35pm Mark Hurst: @Ken gotchaaaa
	6:35pm Dean: fastmail.com: 0 results from Blacklight
	6:35pm Mark Hurst: @Kashmir link to Blacklight is in the Links section at left
	6:36pm headcleaner: @mark - btw I was trying to type "bullish", not "bullshit" my recent post addressed to you! (It came out garbled, something in between).
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Same with protonmail.com, Dean. Both recommended by Techtonic!
	6:37pm headcleaner: though we should generally assume that much of what we read about BTC is bullshit, by default :)
	🤖 6:37pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark. This interview is great! I'm so glad I'm able to tune in tonight.
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: I'm actually going to write my own hosted Bitly so I don't have to use Bit.ly .
	6:37pm -Ken: Wow, I am hearing what Nabiha is putting down
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @headcleaner dang autocorrect
	6:37pm jt: Whole countries are baseing their wealth on the collection of information- following users on the web.. it's a huge commodity and they will try to stop The Markup. These are some of the wealthier countries, Luxumburg for instance.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @Wendy thanks! glad you're here
	6:37pm melinda: Getting a Protonmail account is on my list of things to do this year.
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: Wendy: they are tracking your cheese.
	6:38pm Rory: Great interview! Hey everyone
	🤖 6:38pm Wendy del Formaggio: WHHenry: Hands off my cheese!
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Have heard the Brave browser is good ??...
	6:38pm Dean: OTOH, mail.yahoo.com is also almost entirely clear, but I assume that's because it examines the home page, which must be the same for fastmail, etc.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Rory thanks
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: @Wendy deal directly with your cows, goats, and sheep!
	🤖 6:40pm tim from champaign (now washington): Techtonic is such a valuable show for me. Other than FMU and the chat board here I'm pretty low to no tech in so many other aspects of my life. I find much tech really intimidating and these shows really break it down for me of what''s going on.
	6:40pm Dean: Law students do not have a lot of time But point taken: some are in law school to get the kind of experience she describes.
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The . internet . didn't . have . to . be . this . way.
	🤖 6:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark, because of your show and newsletter, I'm trying to talk to my Town Manager and Selectboard to enact an ordinance prohibiting the police from working with Amazon to collect Ring data. But, I think I have to actually work with the Legislature. Luckily, our Assistant AG is VERY interested in tech privacy issues. Stay tuned!
	6:41pm ARB: Yes but Mark, complaining on your show IS doing something about it
	6:41pm headcleaner: the only explanation that makes any sense, to me, for the larger peak in BTC price that we've seen since Oct/Nov... is all far-right wackos desperate to "prepare" for the full-fledged civilizational collapse many where prophecying (and no doubt, also trying to bring in effect) as the Trump-Biden contest came to ahead. (No doubt other factors were involved... but my gut tells me that was probably what drove the spike).
	6:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Little Vermont has some hands-on Government advantages...
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: Rev Rab, Mark can speak more to it, but he recommended Brave at first and then rescinded based on its funding model based on attention data (I think?). But see Mark's goodreports.com and also switching.software/
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @Wendy that is FANTASTIC - very interested to hear what develops from here!
	🤖 6:42pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Henry: I don't make cheese; I just eat it! And i live in an apartment, so it's hard to keep cows, goats, and sheep. :-D
	6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy TY !
	🤖 6:42pm Bas NL: What if people stopped buying products advertised on the internet?
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: That's what I'm saying - get it from the animals - avoid as many middlepeople as possible! Myspace.com has 2 trackers, 5 cookies
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: The Markup's Simple Search: themarkup.org...
	6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: Cheesecoin 2022!
	6:43pm Kashmir: Thanks for the url. Wow, I am never going to use pitchfork ever again. Conde nest is truly evil. Hundreds of Trackers and they peek at everything.
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: Also: I recommend Mark's goodreports.com and the links you can find there to other watchdogs like switching.software/ very strongly! I send these out all the time and use them in my signature in my work e-mail. Wendy, I can get you an apartment cow. I know a guy.
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...if only it were a 'Free Market' & competition for faceborg were even possible...
	6:44pm headcleaner: I only buy online when absolutely necessary (for example, no takeout or grocery delivery, even with the pandemic). And then never from Amazon or big chains if at all possible. (I'm pretty sure I've never bought from AMZN yet actually).
	🤖 6:44pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Handy: I am SO not surprised. hahaha.
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...cause I'm still on faceborg to communicate w/ everything & everyone...
	6:45pm headcleaner: (uh, looks like I just "virtue signaled" - sorry)
	6:45pm ultradamno: Let him find his dirt sweet spot.
	6:46pm Zetti: The new report on toxins in baby food, with FDA awareness... insidious. The Hill... www.youtube.com...
	6:46pm Kashmir: Amazon gets a zero score. Surprising
	6:46pm Glistener MW: Great interview! Looking forward to giving their suite of webtools a spin tomorrow
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: The attitude of "Keep 'em on the site, keep 'em on the service" goes way way back to the "platform" attitudes of AOL, Yahoo and others in the Dot Com era.
	6:46pm Rory: Destroy Capitalism!!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Alexa, how can I get my toddler to eat more dirt?
	🤖 6:47pm Bas NL: Good work by Nabiha Syed.
	6:47pm Kashmir: Hey mark are vpns any good?
	6:47pm Rory: Sorry lol couldn’t help myself.
	6:47pm chris in the redwoods: what a great interview. loved it! thanks, Mark, Ms. Syed and the whole crew at The Markup!
	🤖 6:47pm DjLorraine: Thank you Nabiha Syed
	🤖 6:47pm Wendy del Formaggio: All hail Nabiha and her crew!
	6:47pm Sean Fahrrad: That lady ROCKED
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: Here's a good follow-up in the Markup when you have become horrified: themarkup.org... Thanks, Nabiha! What a great guest.
	6:48pm jt: I am drinking The Markup Sake. So many scams and invasions of privacy are run by these HUGE corporations.
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: (I notice none of us asked Ken what site THAT was!)
	6:49pm Sam: I’m listening to this in the future!
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: Good interview
	6:49pm headcleaner: A show devoted to VPNs (which ones are reputable, what they protect and what they don't) would be very useful
	6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: @Handy - Maybe partygirls.com?
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Godzilla / Gamera Tar here :)
	6:50pm yippie: brave browser is a fake vpn
	6:51pm headcleaner: @yippie - yup, for example
	6:51pm Sam: I used to use lycos. We could bring that back.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: Totally safe, KenFHP! I just sent it both of our SSNs and some of my dream journals.
	6:51pm Dean: Lycos and AltaVista, yep
	6:51pm David in London: Never believe the privacy notices at party.girls.com...
	6:52pm Rory: If only we could get google to leave.
	6:53pm watchpocket: privacybadger.org
	6:53pm kevlicki: Shweet! Black light found nothing on my website- interferencearchive.org and only one third party cookie at Justseeds.org I don’t feel like a scumbag! But we do use Mailchimp
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bill of Digital Rights I say. Google vs. Oz proves it's as territorial as that.
	6:54pm Megaroni: Shout out to AU! Wish Amerika was a fraction smart as them
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, crucial tool, watchpocket!
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: This is the problem with news aggregators. Some of them have deals with the companies that the get their stories from, most probably don't.
	6:54pm watchpocket: @Tim: blog.dassetx.com...
	6:54pm headcleaner: I'd gladly go back to 90s technology to not have all the surveillance + social media shenanigans we have now. (The beauty in what I just said is that the whole WFMU is almost entirely late 90s technology... and it works beautifully)
	6:55pm neil quarantino: I use Ecosia. It doesn’t pepper you with ads, and supposedly uses a percentage of profits plant trees.
	6:56pm Rory: Google also buries many important independent news articles, some are very crucial like the GrayZone.
	6:56pm Sam: Google should retaliate by removing Australia completely from Google maps.
	6:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Rupert Fox News Murdoch - who destroyed the USA. Ask the Brits about The Sun...
	🤖 6:56pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks watchpocket!
	6:56pm -Ken: Godzilla all the way. Gamera is a punk
	6:56pm ultradamno: Godzilla, of course I'm rooting for Godzilla. He's the star.
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: NYtimes.com: scores a 49 on Blacklight ...and won't let you use a private window ... Another great and necessary show, Mark! Much, much, much appreciated. And also really looking forward to your Marathon MCs. Marathon! The best holiday of all! Be well, Techyons. Great to see youse all.
	6:57pm Rory: Thanks Mark! Go FMU go!!!
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Can I vote for Mothra?
	6:57pm David in London: No, please don’t ask about The Sun. Yuk.
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark! Kick some ass next week, Mark!
	6:57pm WR: thank you Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Mark! Peace and LoVe ya’ll!
	6:57pm Sam: And fire Firefox!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Nabiha!
	6:57pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm -Ken: Smogmonster!!!! But twitter is AOK!
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Wendy: <Kodos>Go ahead! Throw your vote away!</Kodos>
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: G & G - different Movie Studios ...would of course unite eventually to Defend Earth...
	6:58pm headcleaner: Mothra!!!!!
	6:58pm WR: the co-host schedule wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Handy: hahaha! I think about that episode VERY often.
	6:58pm Rory: Ghidorah all the way!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! I'm rooting for the people running around to get away from Godzilla and Gamera.
	🤖 6:58pm tim from champaign (now washington): Good song!
	6:59pm Sam: Godzilla - half god, half sarsaparilla
	6:59pm Kashmir: Wall Street Journal is monitoring my keystrokes
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: (Now I'm all bragging to Kate: "I made Wendy laugh twice during Techtonic!")
	6:59pm David in London: Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @Sam never thought of it that way
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Gamera is pretty badass ! & his 'Millenia' era flicks great...
	7:00pm Roland from Australia: 😀😀😀
	7:01pm headcleaner: off to siberia...
	🤖 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark! I want to work for The Markup now.
	🤖 7:06pm DjLorraine: Thanks Bigtime for the Simple Search from The Markup
	7:47pm ARB: Thanks for the great show today! I'm curious to hear if you'll touch on the role of technology in the Myanmar coup in any upcoming episodes?

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 1, 2021

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Chatbots are now running rampant - appearing in new-model cars - as we're being told to "be nice to chatbots." Stores are using "digital price tags," which rely on surveillance to set the price to the company's liking. Meantime, Google's AI is giving wrong answers, in some cases, almost half the time. All these and more in Mark's dystopia update.
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March 1, 2021: Nabiha Syed, president, The Markup

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Tonight: Nabiha Syed, president of The Markup

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• Blacklight: A real-time website privacy inspector from The Markup

• Facebook Strikes Deal to Restore News Sharing in Australia (Feb 22, 2021). Facebook and Google have made deals with the Australian government and Rupert Murdoch - after Facebook briefly removed all news from its platform. It's "Godzilla vs. Gamera" again, except perhaps that Gamera (FB+G) never before so openly blackmailed a national government.

• Facebook might put facial-recognition tech in its smart glasses, due to launch this year (Business Insider, Feb 26)

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Nabiha Syed, president of The Markup, discusses ethical data-driven journalism, covering Big Tech.
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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Techgin is poured! Well, Techrye, Techvermouth, and Techchartreuse. But still: Tonic welcome.
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Technoids! Howdy Mark.
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtorrespondents!
	6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Lousy Smarch technology!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Smarch ... the Big Techiest month ...
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi there "March" Hurst!
	6:02pm kevlicki: Hey Mark and all! Long time since I been here live
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Hello hello hello. Fresh tech news ahead.
	6:02pm Phillippe Bastille: hey there
	6:02pm ARB: Hi Mark! Hi kindred spirits of the comments board!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Markonians!
	6:03pm melinda: hi all!
	🤖 6:03pm herb.nyc: Oh looky, it’s Monday March First, Or, it’s Techtonic with Mark Hurst.
	6:03pm Ike: It’s tech but it’s also WFMU’s one show about “IRL”, heh.
	6:03pm Cris: Ello M8's
	6:03pm ledzeppelinsucks: One day in 2000 I was sharing a table with two people at The Lanesplitter. Berkeley had a big Enron office. These people at the table were talking about placing surplus military generators on remote land and putting that generated power on the grid to sell it as imported. I figured out they were Enron employees weeks later.
	6:04pm melinda: speaking of IRL I miss the show In Real life
	6:04pm ultradamno: Me too!
	6:05pm listener 126464: Ditto
	6:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: GutenNoches.
	6:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: I adopted Emily & Kimzilla one year. It was fun to send them care packages.
	🤖 6:06pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Mark and folks!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...NemoMusk, I dub thee...
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Glad you have the wifis tonight, Rev Rab!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...except maybe Nemo was a somewhat sympathetic narcissist ??...
	6:08pm -Ken: hello all
	6:08pm chris in the redwoods: lets start a rumor about how all teslas are mining bitcoin as they drive around... hi, Mark and the TechTones
	6:08pm melinda: @chris haha
	6:08pm yippie: if you want criticize the electric consumption of bitcoin you should compare it to the environmental damage of the federal reserve
	6:08pm Cris: Wait they aren't?
	🤖 6:08pm Bas NL: Hi Ken!
	🤖 6:09pm tim from champaign (now washington): No matter how much I try I do not understand what bitcoin and crypocurrency is. I'm not being a smart ass but the best I can make out is that it's money for nothing.
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: Hey folks
	6:09pm yippie: all cars and gas to transport money
	🤖 6:09pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Staysh! Good luck with the Marathon!
	6:10pm The Butterman: Elon just made my internet drop out. He knows you’re talking about him.
	6:10pm yippie: bitcoin mining is done in places with cheap renewable electric
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: Hey! my $13 of Ethers is now worth abut $50.46
	6:10pm -Ken: Thanks Tim! bitcoin is indeed money for nothing, just as much o the stock market is money for nothing also
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy - I gotta get the covid relief Socialist WiFis from ComCast ...to stay on topic here: were it not such a malevolent monopoly - perhaps WiFis could simply be broadcast without the corporate gating... I do not believe it costs them that much...
	6:11pm melinda: @tim I don't really get it either, except that the decentralized nature of it seems to be the main selling point.
	6:11pm iiibeat: Say . . After the Federal Government breaks apart Big Tech . . Why doesn't the Federal Government BREAK ITSELF apart!! (Into 3 or 5 pieces. 3or5 presidents, 3or5 Houses and 3or5 high courts.)
	6:11pm melinda: and that it's important not to lose your bitcoin password or something
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	6:12pm yippie: the federal reserves printers are the real money for nothing
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @chris Teslas mining bitcoin? interesting idea... though it looks like Elon can make a cool billion with a simple post on Twitter... why work harder than that?
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: @RR here in Kingston, there's the Kingston Equitable Internet Initative, which is going to try to get peer-to-peer internet for free for those who want it. It's a system like the ones Mark covered a few months ago. keii.network
	6:14pm iiibeat: yippie . . Fiat.
	6:14pm yippie: bitcoins are created when you use electricity and computers to mathematically prove the accuracy of previous bitcoin transactions
	6:14pm Kashmir: Tech is evil. I miss looking things up.
	🤖 6:14pm tim from champaign (now washington): Also, is cryptocurrency literally mined. As in dug out of the earth and minted?
	6:15pm Zetti: Is it true that the first tests of a police robotic-dog is being tested only in poor communities in NYC?
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Course - as a filthy Commie - I'ma say there is no Free Market as some Milton Friedman Natural State ...nothing is more ManMade than the Market.... Who is it serving is the only question. WebHenry - they stole the damn Interwebz from The People is all there is to it...
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Zetti totally true
	6:16pm iiibeat: Just seems like . . An entity with too much power breaking apart entities with too much power . . Should follow suit.
	6:16pm ledzeppelinsucks: The ads on DC Metro are to influence politicians. A back lit poster of starving kids or blown up refugees at 7AM is a nice thing to see.
	🤖 6:16pm herb.nyc: Oh yeah, I remember the Markup subway ad!
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: iiibeat - Democracy Is Coming to the USA said Leonard Cohen ...I guess he was an optimist...
	6:17pm -Ken: Wow, Blacklight is a really great tool!
	6:17pm headcleaner: btw the price of BTC has already fallen by about two thirds off the peak ($58k) it reached about 12 days after Tesla made its $1.5 billion purchase. And according to analysts, is expected to fall further. So the claim that Tesla is making a huge profit from their purchase seems overblown - if anything, they're likely to lose money
	6:17pm The Butterman: This shit stresses me out.
	6:17pm headcleaner: (not that I'm defending Elon Musk or nuthin')
	6:17pm PJ: @iiibeat: Historically, balkanization has not been a recipe for peace or prosperity. If you think a US broken up into 4 or 5 countries would be a good thing, I am guessing you are not a person of color in say, Mississippi.
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @headcleaner you're quite sure they didn't sell before the price dropped?
	6:19pm yippie: i think Hawaii should become its own country
	6:19pm -Ken: One problem I see with the Markup's great Blacklight tool, is that for the many truly awful sites, they have so much tracking shit on their sites, that Blacklight times out
	6:19pm Kashmir: The problem is the users of this info give these tech giants their power. Log off.
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: I like how "algorithm" sweeps so much under the rug as to what an "algorithm" is, or how much human intervention there is, etc. etc. As a guy who wrote a system for sorting incoming mail by looking for keywords in the early 2000s, in that system, it eventually got to an agent who could figure out what the real deal was .
	6:20pm PJ: @iiibeat: But we'll see how your Brexit plan works out - lotta upside there for the very rich.
	6:20pm ledzeppelinsucks: OSHA is a good example. Life expectancy went up by many years after OSHA enforcement started.
	6:22pm headcleaner: @Mark - I think we would have seem some news about such a sale, if they did. Recall the stated intent of the purchase was as long-term hold ("we're gonna buy a whole bunch and hold on to it for a long time, because we're so bullish about it").
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...start with enabling the PoCs in MS to actually Vote - w/out obstruction - & have their Vote counted equally... Complete Future Shock ...like explain BlockChain again... Who can keep up ?? Im not a Luddite - I'm poor !!... Lies, damn lies - & statistics ...hey it worked for Robert McNamara...
	6:22pm kevlicki: Webhamster Henry are you familiar with NYC mesh? https://www.nycmesh.net/ It would be special to have a similar network in the Hudson valley. I forget if Mark has done a show on NYC Mesh. Audio Interference a podcast from Interference Achive did one awhile back https://m.soundcloud.com/interference-archive-nyc/audio-interference-64-community-networks
	6:22pm Mark Hurst: Show on NYC Mesh from Nov 2019: www.wfmu.org...
	6:24pm Dean: Just arrived, so maybe Mark or Nabiha mentioned this: MIT Technology Review on "What Is an Algorithm?" https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/02/26/1020007/what-is-an-algorithm/
	6:24pm Kashmir: Never assume big tech tells the truth about anything
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: "If you like fascism, you might like to join these groups!"
	6:26pm Davefrom Brooklyn: PBS did a show on the FDA years ago. The FDA decided that 45 trace elements of toxins was an acceptable number of toxins. Apparently, that number was considered ok because that's how many toxins there were!! Our FDA doesn't try to protect us,it protects the food industry
	6:26pm yippie: and bitcoin is anonymus like duckduckgo, not tracking all your moves like banks and google
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: @kevlicki yes he had them or a similar NYC based group on!
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yup - it's all PR. They profit on contention & radicalism... ACCOUNTABILITY. When Zucker's worth +$200Billion ? Accountable to whom ??
	6:26pm iiibeat: PJ . . One umbrella of action . . Still the Federal Government, still the USA. Out from your box! It has to be an odd number . . 3 or 5. A majority is always available. Democracy more perfect.
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: bandcamp.com tests out quite well on Blacklight.
	6:27pm headcleaner: @Mark - recent reports (see link below) suggest Tesla is in trouble for their buy and that "the shine is off" the Feb 21 peak that was triggered by their announcement. BTW I'm not saying that you're trying to pull a fast one on us - just that stuff has happened since the bullisht report you were quoting. Here's a somewhat more recent take on the Tesla BTC purchase: https://news.yahoo.com/bitcoin-plunge-drags-tesla-down-164223955.html
	6:28pm -Ken: Wow, bandcamp got a zero. WFMU got a one. Thinking about that twitter feed on the homepage now...
	6:28pm headcleaner: bitcoin is "semi-anonymous" - there's a whole cottage industry around de-anonymizing BTC transactions
	🤖 6:29pm herb.nyc: The Markup followed Facebook and caught them in a lie? Nicely done! Oh feds, what are ya gonna do about it?
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: For about a year, I've been try to push for a kind of simple idea for establishing trust. Just sign your posts, sign your data sign everything! True or false is not as important as what is the provenance of that report or post. Then, you simply don't trust unsigned messages. The trick is to get less friction in the signing/verification process.
	6:30pm yippie: no one asks for your social security number to make an account
	6:31pm Fuzzy: Shout out to ublock Origin and Cookie Autodelete extensions!
	6:31pm yippie: no id card needed
	6:31pm headcleaner: NYC Mesh is great (by all accounts, and based on my own brief interactions with their support people). However, it is sadly still very limited in its reach (due to the fact that you need to have a line-of-sight to a site that already has it... in addition to being willing to go through the hoops to set it up on your own location). Which means ins that in many key areas where it could help the most, it's still just practically not available.
	6:32pm Tome: last time i donated blood they wanted my SSN ,, so I gave @ the office instead ...
	6:32pm headcleaner: That said it (NYC Mesh) would make for a great topic for Mark's show
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: headcleaner, yeah, I know several people who are into the promulgation of NYC Mesh but no one who actually has service from it.
	6:32pm chris in the redwoods: being truly anonymous online is extremely difficult, headcleaner. take a butt ton of info security knowledge and perfect practices.
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Linked to this before - & Cory from the EFF has been on this show too - but I found (in my ignorance) this helpful for understanding the 'Business Models' & the whole situation : psychedelicsalon.com...
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Jhhl.net is nice and zero. I have a funny resume page that puts up a notice after a few seconds that says "This site doesn't use cookies, giving the better user experience that you know we are not tracking you or selling your interaction data".
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: I posted the link above to my interview with NYC Mesh from Nov 2019
	6:34pm yippie: and luck that the cia doesnt secretly own your vpn
	6:34pm headcleaner: @yippie - the point is that on the internet, anonymity is never quite what it seems. "They" can find out who you are (or nearly as good: what kind of person you are) very quickly, even if you think you may be surfing anonymously - and even if you're behind a VPN
	6:34pm Roland from Australia: Been reading excellent “the markup” newsletter for some time now, in future I’m going to record how I discover good reads like this, I can only imagine that perhaps through a “team human” episode?
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark - some people don't realize there are alternatives.
	6:34pm Kashmir: What is the url for black light?
	6:34pm -Ken: Oh man! Mark Hurst rickrolled me with that NYC Mesh link! Mark!!!! Youre such a rascal
	6:34pm iiibeat: Google is God!
	6:34pm headcleaner: @chris - yep that's what I'm saying
	6:35pm Mark Hurst: @Ken gotchaaaa
	6:35pm Dean: fastmail.com: 0 results from Blacklight
	6:35pm Mark Hurst: @Kashmir link to Blacklight is in the Links section at left
	6:36pm headcleaner: @mark - btw I was trying to type "bullish", not "bullshit" my recent post addressed to you! (It came out garbled, something in between).
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Same with protonmail.com, Dean. Both recommended by Techtonic!
	6:37pm headcleaner: though we should generally assume that much of what we read about BTC is bullshit, by default :)
	🤖 6:37pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark. This interview is great! I'm so glad I'm able to tune in tonight.
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: I'm actually going to write my own hosted Bitly so I don't have to use Bit.ly .
	6:37pm -Ken: Wow, I am hearing what Nabiha is putting down
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @headcleaner dang autocorrect
	6:37pm jt: Whole countries are baseing their wealth on the collection of information- following users on the web.. it's a huge commodity and they will try to stop The Markup. These are some of the wealthier countries, Luxumburg for instance.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @Wendy thanks! glad you're here
	6:37pm melinda: Getting a Protonmail account is on my list of things to do this year.
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: Wendy: they are tracking your cheese.
	6:38pm Rory: Great interview! Hey everyone
	🤖 6:38pm Wendy del Formaggio: WHHenry: Hands off my cheese!
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Have heard the Brave browser is good ??...
	6:38pm Dean: OTOH, mail.yahoo.com is also almost entirely clear, but I assume that's because it examines the home page, which must be the same for fastmail, etc.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Rory thanks
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: @Wendy deal directly with your cows, goats, and sheep!
	🤖 6:40pm tim from champaign (now washington): Techtonic is such a valuable show for me. Other than FMU and the chat board here I'm pretty low to no tech in so many other aspects of my life. I find much tech really intimidating and these shows really break it down for me of what''s going on.
	6:40pm Dean: Law students do not have a lot of time But point taken: some are in law school to get the kind of experience she describes.
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The . internet . didn't . have . to . be . this . way.
	🤖 6:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark, because of your show and newsletter, I'm trying to talk to my Town Manager and Selectboard to enact an ordinance prohibiting the police from working with Amazon to collect Ring data. But, I think I have to actually work with the Legislature. Luckily, our Assistant AG is VERY interested in tech privacy issues. Stay tuned!
	6:41pm ARB: Yes but Mark, complaining on your show IS doing something about it
	6:41pm headcleaner: the only explanation that makes any sense, to me, for the larger peak in BTC price that we've seen since Oct/Nov... is all far-right wackos desperate to "prepare" for the full-fledged civilizational collapse many where prophecying (and no doubt, also trying to bring in effect) as the Trump-Biden contest came to ahead. (No doubt other factors were involved... but my gut tells me that was probably what drove the spike).
	6:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Little Vermont has some hands-on Government advantages...
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: Rev Rab, Mark can speak more to it, but he recommended Brave at first and then rescinded based on its funding model based on attention data (I think?). But see Mark's goodreports.com and also switching.software/
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @Wendy that is FANTASTIC - very interested to hear what develops from here!
	🤖 6:42pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Henry: I don't make cheese; I just eat it! And i live in an apartment, so it's hard to keep cows, goats, and sheep. :-D
	6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy TY !
	🤖 6:42pm Bas NL: What if people stopped buying products advertised on the internet?
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: That's what I'm saying - get it from the animals - avoid as many middlepeople as possible! Myspace.com has 2 trackers, 5 cookies
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: The Markup's Simple Search: themarkup.org...
	6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: Cheesecoin 2022!
	6:43pm Kashmir: Thanks for the url. Wow, I am never going to use pitchfork ever again. Conde nest is truly evil. Hundreds of Trackers and they peek at everything.
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: Also: I recommend Mark's goodreports.com and the links you can find there to other watchdogs like switching.software/ very strongly! I send these out all the time and use them in my signature in my work e-mail. Wendy, I can get you an apartment cow. I know a guy.
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...if only it were a 'Free Market' & competition for faceborg were even possible...
	6:44pm headcleaner: I only buy online when absolutely necessary (for example, no takeout or grocery delivery, even with the pandemic). And then never from Amazon or big chains if at all possible. (I'm pretty sure I've never bought from AMZN yet actually).
	🤖 6:44pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Handy: I am SO not surprised. hahaha.
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...cause I'm still on faceborg to communicate w/ everything & everyone...
	6:45pm headcleaner: (uh, looks like I just "virtue signaled" - sorry)
	6:45pm ultradamno: Let him find his dirt sweet spot.
	6:46pm Zetti: The new report on toxins in baby food, with FDA awareness... insidious. The Hill... www.youtube.com...
	6:46pm Kashmir: Amazon gets a zero score. Surprising
	6:46pm Glistener MW: Great interview! Looking forward to giving their suite of webtools a spin tomorrow
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: The attitude of "Keep 'em on the site, keep 'em on the service" goes way way back to the "platform" attitudes of AOL, Yahoo and others in the Dot Com era.
	6:46pm Rory: Destroy Capitalism!!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Alexa, how can I get my toddler to eat more dirt?
	🤖 6:47pm Bas NL: Good work by Nabiha Syed.
	6:47pm Kashmir: Hey mark are vpns any good?
	6:47pm Rory: Sorry lol couldn’t help myself.
	6:47pm chris in the redwoods: what a great interview. loved it! thanks, Mark, Ms. Syed and the whole crew at The Markup!
	🤖 6:47pm DjLorraine: Thank you Nabiha Syed
	🤖 6:47pm Wendy del Formaggio: All hail Nabiha and her crew!
	6:47pm Sean Fahrrad: That lady ROCKED
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: Here's a good follow-up in the Markup when you have become horrified: themarkup.org... Thanks, Nabiha! What a great guest.
	6:48pm jt: I am drinking The Markup Sake. So many scams and invasions of privacy are run by these HUGE corporations.
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: (I notice none of us asked Ken what site THAT was!)
	6:49pm Sam: I’m listening to this in the future!
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: Good interview
	6:49pm headcleaner: A show devoted to VPNs (which ones are reputable, what they protect and what they don't) would be very useful
	6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: @Handy - Maybe partygirls.com?
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Godzilla / Gamera Tar here :)
	6:50pm yippie: brave browser is a fake vpn
	6:51pm headcleaner: @yippie - yup, for example
	6:51pm Sam: I used to use lycos. We could bring that back.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: Totally safe, KenFHP! I just sent it both of our SSNs and some of my dream journals.
	6:51pm Dean: Lycos and AltaVista, yep
	6:51pm David in London: Never believe the privacy notices at party.girls.com...
	6:52pm Rory: If only we could get google to leave.
	6:53pm watchpocket: privacybadger.org
	6:53pm kevlicki: Shweet! Black light found nothing on my website- interferencearchive.org and only one third party cookie at Justseeds.org I don’t feel like a scumbag! But we do use Mailchimp
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bill of Digital Rights I say. Google vs. Oz proves it's as territorial as that.
	6:54pm Megaroni: Shout out to AU! Wish Amerika was a fraction smart as them
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, crucial tool, watchpocket!
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: This is the problem with news aggregators. Some of them have deals with the companies that the get their stories from, most probably don't.
	6:54pm watchpocket: @Tim: blog.dassetx.com...
	6:54pm headcleaner: I'd gladly go back to 90s technology to not have all the surveillance + social media shenanigans we have now. (The beauty in what I just said is that the whole WFMU is almost entirely late 90s technology... and it works beautifully)
	6:55pm neil quarantino: I use Ecosia. It doesn’t pepper you with ads, and supposedly uses a percentage of profits plant trees.
	6:56pm Rory: Google also buries many important independent news articles, some are very crucial like the GrayZone.
	6:56pm Sam: Google should retaliate by removing Australia completely from Google maps.
	6:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Rupert Fox News Murdoch - who destroyed the USA. Ask the Brits about The Sun...
	🤖 6:56pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks watchpocket!
	6:56pm -Ken: Godzilla all the way. Gamera is a punk
	6:56pm ultradamno: Godzilla, of course I'm rooting for Godzilla. He's the star.
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: NYtimes.com: scores a 49 on Blacklight ...and won't let you use a private window ... Another great and necessary show, Mark! Much, much, much appreciated. And also really looking forward to your Marathon MCs. Marathon! The best holiday of all! Be well, Techyons. Great to see youse all.
	6:57pm Rory: Thanks Mark! Go FMU go!!!
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Can I vote for Mothra?
	6:57pm David in London: No, please don’t ask about The Sun. Yuk.
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark! Kick some ass next week, Mark!
	6:57pm WR: thank you Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Mark! Peace and LoVe ya’ll!
	6:57pm Sam: And fire Firefox!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Nabiha!
	6:57pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm -Ken: Smogmonster!!!! But twitter is AOK!
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Wendy: <Kodos>Go ahead! Throw your vote away!</Kodos>
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: G & G - different Movie Studios ...would of course unite eventually to Defend Earth...
	6:58pm headcleaner: Mothra!!!!!
	6:58pm WR: the co-host schedule wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Handy: hahaha! I think about that episode VERY often.
	6:58pm Rory: Ghidorah all the way!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! I'm rooting for the people running around to get away from Godzilla and Gamera.
	🤖 6:58pm tim from champaign (now washington): Good song!
	6:59pm Sam: Godzilla - half god, half sarsaparilla
	6:59pm Kashmir: Wall Street Journal is monitoring my keystrokes
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: (Now I'm all bragging to Kate: "I made Wendy laugh twice during Techtonic!")
	6:59pm David in London: Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @Sam never thought of it that way
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Gamera is pretty badass ! & his 'Millenia' era flicks great...
	7:00pm Roland from Australia: 😀😀😀
	7:01pm headcleaner: off to siberia...
	🤖 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark! I want to work for The Markup now.
	🤖 7:06pm DjLorraine: Thanks Bigtime for the Simple Search from The Markup
	7:47pm ARB: Thanks for the great show today! I'm curious to hear if you'll touch on the role of technology in the Myanmar coup in any upcoming episodes?

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