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Options June 17, 2019: Damon Krukowski, podcaster and author, "Ways of Hearing"

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This week: Damon Krukowski, podcaster and author of "Ways of Hearing"



Tonight: live in-studio, guest Damon Krukowski, exploring "the nature of listening in our digital world." Krukowski, formerly the drummer for Galaxie 500, has created a podcast and a book titled "Ways of Hearing," exploring how the switch from analog to digital has changed the way we listen to music, to radio, and to each other.

Links to Damon:

Ways of Hearing podcast

Ways of Hearing (the book) on Indiebound

DaDaDrummer.com, Damon's personal site

Damon & Naomi (Damon Krukowski and Naomi Yang)

• Twitter: @dada_drummer

Tech news

The Making of a YouTube Radical (Kevin Roose in the NYT, June 8, 2019)

YouTube’s CEO refuses to admit the site radicalizes users in spite of all the evidence (Business Insider, June 11): "YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki was asked whether she believes that YouTube is radicalizing its users and politics during an interview on Monday at Recode's Code Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. Wojcicki would not outright deny this but said that she believes that the platform offers a 'diversity of opinions.' She also said that YouTube is clamping down on its video recommendations for any videos that are classed as 'borderline content.'"

• (from last week) Max Fisher reporting on letter from two senators to YouTube's CEO (June 6) about "child sexual exploitation and predatory behavior" on YouTube.

Tim Cook's Stanford commencement speech (yesterday, June 16)

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  In his podcast and book "Ways of Hearing," Damon Krukowski explores "the nature of listening in our digital world." Krukowski, formerly the drummer for Galaxie 500, talks with Mark about how the switch from analog to digital has changed the way we listen to music, to radio, and to each other.
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:00pm Rich in Washington:

Bloop!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:00pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techyringas!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:01pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends! I bet I'll be piping in a lot on this show.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:01pm geezerette:

Howdy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:01pm chresti:

Hey Mark and Techtonicas!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:01pm TDK60:

I'm "presente" but not present enough lately, Mr. Hurst.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:01pm Bas NL:

Mark! Markoids! Why do i feel scared already?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:03pm Folsom:

@Bas how about Markanoids?
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:03pm geezerette:

Bas, same! :{
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:03pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:03pm geezerette:

:)
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:03pm ultradamno:

desperateexes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Greetings, Mark and Techtophytes. On this 100th anniversary of Barney Google, do we laud him or vilify him? With those goo- goo- googly eyes?
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:04pm Dave Miss:

Hello from Brooklyn
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:04pm Bas NL:

Markanoids sounds excellent!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:04pm BigCat:

Welcome
"TeCHRONIC"
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

OK - Musics!
...See how much I can keep up this week!...
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:05pm dr.doppler:

Best show ever
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:05pm dale:

all i can think of when i hear 'utrecht' is the little tubes of oil paint i used to buy.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:10pm ultradamno:

I see Japan has outlawed droning while drunk. Who would fly a drone sober?
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:10pm TDK60:

"radical" is such a difficult term as it can mean many different things...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:11pm listener james from westwood:

ISIS: The quicker blower-upper!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:12pm chresti:

Paper towels to soak up spills!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:12pm ultradamno:

You Tube really seems into making me into a fan of Yugoslavian 'darkwave' from the eighties.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:16pm ultradamno:

Axios did a whole thing about self-driving cars this week that culminated in a demonstration of 'supercruise' semi-autonomous cars (from Cadillac, I think). It did nothing to convince me this is a feature anyone would want.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:19pm BigCat:

What a fucking tweezer, this CEO!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:19pm Mister Dobalina:

..its ummm..like..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:19pm chresti:

She's stuck, she needs a shove
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:19pm dale:

this woman is a ceo? did she NOT have to take a toastmaster's class?
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:20pm BigCat:

"Mom, Dad. I just got hired as the CEO of YouTube!"
"Honey, that's terrific. By the way, are you coming home this weekend for you 25th Birthday?"
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:21pm JakeGould:

The problem is all these business models are based on extreme automation… Which is not there yet… But they really want it to be. So we’re all a distraction from their end goal: Reading our minds and giving us exactly what we want before we even know we want it.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:23pm JakeGould:

But this is all a distraction from John McAfee’s body double going missing. WHAT HAPPENED TO JOHN MCAFEE’S BODY DOUBLE!!! twitter.com...
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:23pm geezerette:

Trying very hard to convince myself we are not already engulfed by a corporate totalitarian state.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:24pm JakeGould:

@geezerette: But we have cuter mascots. EAT YOUR HEART OUT PAUL RAND!!!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:25pm geezerette:

(laughs weakly.) ha. ha.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:25pm Mark Hurst:

Any comments or questions for Damon? Post 'em here...
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:28pm JakeGould:

For Damn K: Does digital audio production lead to more comfort, confusion or complication?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:29pm Webhamster Henry:

Digital recording is under constant media changing, so old digital recordings are actually harder to reproduce in their original form than , say 78s and cylinders. That's just the audio formats - disk file systems and audio DAWS all are difficult to make futureproof.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:29pm geezerette:

Piano rolls for player pianos were actually recordings of performances by people.Gershwin recorded some.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

How does self-promoting & distributing on YouTube & podcasts relate to being a 20thCentury garage band making one 45 & hoping to get on a local station? & from there to major distribution...
Labels used to Promote - but now in the unwieldy firehose of Choice - who Promotes anything? Have the interwebz balanced out the Clear Channel corporate centralization in any positive way?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

They change Platforms specifically to NOT be retro-compatible. You must have this year's Apple...
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:30pm JakeGould:

Tiny wind up music boxes are just tiny kalimbas that work with tiny digital rolls.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:31pm geezerette:

RevRab,Jake:Good points.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Compare hand animation to CGI. Everything on 'Electric Ladyland' or Sgt. Pepper is - 'handmade' - not the same thing dialed in by everyone...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:32pm mrdonutsu:

Steely Dan never had no mumble.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:32pm Webhamster Henry:

@geezerette - that could be, but they were definitely edited! Ofthen there was a third hand stuck in there. Some of the rolls I had for my Ampico were definitely augmented, and here's where I drop the name "Conlon Nancarrow".
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Brian Eno said - a long time ago - the problem is not that there aren't enuff things a Studio can do. There are too many! The thing is having something to record...
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:34pm geezerette:

@Webhamster, thanks, makes sense!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The series 'Soundbreaking' is very good. Beck notes - all periods of Recording exist @ once now.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:35pm JakeGould:

Digitally remaster “Metal Machine Music.”
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:35pm Bas NL:

It's very popular to master perfect digital recordings through old vintage gear! To give it that little organic feel.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:35pm BigCat:

Developers will always use digital to get their way, or just to make things easier.
So they'll take shortcuts without asking anyone.

H.... almost forgot: They're all a bunch of fucking males!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:36pm JakeGould:

A lot of digital recording has brought the painful tedium of going to a music store (*cough* Guitar Center *cough*) to the comfort of your home.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:36pm geezerette:

Bas, yes, very popular.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:36pm Bas NL:

(I fix a lot of old gear used for that purpose..)
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:36pm JakeGould:

All of these ad algorithms are bias amplifiers.
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:36pm random listener abroad:

Whilst I’m all for imperfections and happy accidents on analogue recording, digital provides a full studio for any diy band. From experience, the cost of hiring an engineer and renting a studio is getting so costly (in the recent 5 years) many of my friends/bands just record to laptop and use the money for touring.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Medium is the Massage. Things being mixed to Earbuds - & generations who have no time & no interest in anything but smoothed out perfections...
I think of it as McDonalds MANUFACTURING every fry exactly the same. Fine - if that's all you have appetite for !!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The NASA analogy is good - because we went to the Moon w/ huge reel-to-reel antiques that aren't as powerful as your phone...
Pepper was only 4 track analog - but also great microphones & George Martin Arranging &tc. ...
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:38pm random listener abroad:

@Bas NL you’re are so right! Recording to laptop > add multiple tracks of audio noise to scratch it up. It’s strange it’s come to this in a way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:40pm mrdonutsu:

Iggy Pop has mentioned more than once that he has discovered a track - that he is now playing on his radio show - because it was suggested by an algorithm.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:40pm Webhamster Henry:

WFMU has lots of data that it never exploits! For instance: all these chat logs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

People are actually concerned about AI Composing !...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Binary digital (ones and zeros) doesn't work well for music. We need a tri-ary digital system that allows for flats and sharps.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:40pm TDK60:

radio is invisible, it might get /your own/ imagination's images going...
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:40pm geezerette:

I loved record stores, video stores, "vintage" clothing stores, single owner/single location bookstores, human scaled art galleries...places where human interaction was part of the experience.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:41pm ultradamno:

..or, if it's the worst thing you've ever heard, turn it up, maaaan (WFMU version of that Freedom Rock commercial from way back when)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:42pm Webhamster Henry:

The thing that engages WFMU listeners is the astonishing lack of ads, support announcements, interminable fundraising, and commercialism in general.
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:42pm Dave Miss:

The station has introduced me to some of the most interesting music I’ve ever heard. From DJs Scott Walker, Irwin, Samantha plus of course Dave the spaz, Dwayne train, and Fool’s Paradise.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:42pm JakeGould:

That Scott Walker is a great DJ.
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:42pm Peter from Dover NJ:

Perhaps this is why I seldom use Spotify or Pandora. Really a fan of real radio.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:42pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Tuesdays at 11AM, you get both simultaneously!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Mark Shields on making an All Analog version of 'Loveless'
covers a lot of ground ! :
www.npr.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:43pm listener 126464:

Galaxie 500/On Fire is a desert island cassette
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:43pm Andrea in Jersey City:

It’s not imperfection
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:43pm Andrea in Jersey City:

I hate click tracks
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:43pm geezerette:

Webhamster, and the,(to listeners),randomness.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:43pm TDK60:

..I was a bassist in bands, often had to try to slow down or rush the drummer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:44pm Bas NL:

Old synthesizer hits are known to be hard to reproduce. The synths easily drifted one, two notes throughout a song.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Pop Songs getting Shorter...
Switched on Pop is a good cast analyzing Chart Pop :
www.switchedonpop.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

So - you can have Human Music - or Machine Music.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:45pm JakeGould:

How about cashless/cardless MTA access via “OMNY?” I don’t know about that.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:46pm BigCat:

Question:
Is all this "digital anorexia" (i.e., the problems in today's social media online etc.) symptomatic of a male-dominated Developer population?
(80% last I checked)
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:47pm JakeGould:

The world is make dominated. In tech it’s about toxic dude-bros just as bad as finance-bros and stock-bros. I work in tech but I am alien to that world of riding motorized long boards controlled by Bluetooth and doing all nighters on stimulants.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:48pm BigCat:

"ease" ---- nothing easy is good
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Does your CGI character have - character? Same thing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:48pm Bas NL:

Who needs artists? It's all algorithms next.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:48pm geezerette:

The speed and layers of "re-development" involve cannibalization of neighborhoods. It's happening as fast as set changes in Theater. Construction not much better than that.
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:48pm Glen but also Luis:

"Why's everybody look so strange?! "oh, because they're all staring at their phones.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:50pm Webhamster Henry:

It's easy to get your music out now - it's hard to get people to realize you exist.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:50pm BigCat:

Mark/Damon
Question:
Is all this "digital anorexia" (i.e., the problems in today's social media online etc.) symptomatic of a male-dominated Developer population?

(80% male last I checked)

[@jake gould thank you for your opine]
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Right Henry: Distribution / Promotion.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:52pm JakeGould:

The positive side is most tech dude-bros have the worst taste in art and everything ever.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:53pm Fredericks:

Don't forget libraries.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:53pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Radiohead had some material hijacked recently. Instead of paying the ransom, they released it on the internet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

*KEVIN Shields... www.npr.org...
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:53pm Firebottle:

I think the reason social media companies don't want to answer questions is lawsuits.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:53pm JakeGould:

Some stores do exist, but honestly even in NYC it’s harder and harder to find “on the street” expertise.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:55pm Webhamster Henry:

If you have a real name, don't use it online.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:56pm JakeGould:

Anyone here remember old-school Canal Street? Just don’t go there nowadays if you want to keep those memories pure.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:56pm TDK60:

..ahhh, just start the hologram concert and pass me a stimulant pill.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:56pm Bas NL:

Resistance is futile. We are Google.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

GRR. They claim they are just Utilities - & not Responsible for Content
- then they take all the Money as Monopolies - profiting off of distraction & contention & lies - & not Public Utilities @ all...
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:57pm Julio:

There is a book in Spanish from a Mexican writer: Escritos Para Desocupados (Writings For Unemployed)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:57pm chresti:

I listen to WFMU online, being in SoCAL
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:57pm listener 126464:

Thanks Mark, Damon and associates
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:57pm Julio:

http://www.escritosdesocupados.com
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:57pm JakeGould:

If they think they are mass media utilities, they should be regulated as such… If that even works anymore?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY !
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:58pm garyseven:

this is amazing information, can't wait for the podcast and BOOK! Thanks for being on the air!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:58pm Bas NL:

We need some more of Damon's music i think?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:58pm Rich in Washington:

Thanks, Mark! See you next week!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:58pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 6:59pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & Damon!
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:59pm River:

WFMU truly is the best radio station in the world.
  Mon. 6/17/19 6:59pm LCBD:

GREAT SHOW, Mark!!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 6:59pm ultradamno:

RRRecords!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 7:00pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 7:00pm TDK60:

Gracias hermano Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park:

What DJ sings while frying bacon?
  Mon. 6/17/19 7:00pm River:

Only WFMU would play this.
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 7:01pm geezerette:

Thanks,Mark!
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 7:01pm ultradamno:

Sounds like walking on rock salt (foley style) to me
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 7:01pm Bas NL:

Now this is music!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 7:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Earbud Optimized...
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 7:02pm geezerette:

heh, :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 7:02pm Webhamster Henry:

Crinkly cellophane, it sounds like to me. How about a duet with Bryce?
Avatar Mon. 6/17/19 7:02pm JakeGould:

Now that’s what I call music!
  Mon. 6/17/19 7:10pm Listener Robert:

Umistakably Laura Cantrell.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/17/19 7:11pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Haha ... Dan Bodah was the mystery DJ? I was on point with that frying comment.
Avatar Wed. 6/19/19 7:25pm coelacanth∅:

good stuff Thanks Mark and Thanks Damon!
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