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mark stewart+ the maffia  stranger   Favoriting mark stewart      0:00:00 (Pop-up)
the pop group  savage sea   Favoriting Y      0:07:54 (Pop-up)
the pop group  3:38   Favoriting she is beyond good and evil    7"  0:11:05 (Pop-up)
the pop group  feed the hungry   Favoriting for how much longer do we tolerate mass murder?      0:13:45 (Pop-up)
fun boy three  faith hope and charity   Favoriting FB3      0:18:21 (Pop-up)
scritti politti  jacques derrida   Favoriting songs to remember      0:20:34 (Pop-up)
the style council  life at a top people's health farm   Favoriting confessions of a pop group      0:25:26 (Pop-up)
 
gavin bryars  the vespertine park   Favoriting hommages      0:35:48 (Pop-up)
dominic wilcox  the sound of re-tuning a church bell   Favoriting sounds of making in east london      0:36:48 (Pop-up)
dominic wilcox  the sound of bell ringing ...   Favoriting sounds of making in east london      0:41:41 (Pop-up)
the songs and sounds of england  side 2   Favoriting     7"  0:48:57 (Pop-up)
          0:55:37 (Pop-up)
giovanna davini  Bella Ciao   Favoriting v/a I Canti Del Lavoro  1962  7"  0:57:32 (Pop-up)
Saal 2  beschaftigung maskulin   Favoriting Angst Vorm Tanzen  1980  7"  0:59:51 (Pop-up)
Frank Ferrer  Pa' Los Obreros   Favoriting puerto rico 2010  1972    1:00:29 (Pop-up)
The Hindle Pickets With T.B.E.  year and a bit   Favoriting part of the union  1984  7"  1:07:11 (Pop-up)
Travailleurs Capsulerie  La Liberté   Favoriting Capsuleries Vivra !  1978  7"  1:09:40 (Pop-up)
Les Ouvrières D'Obsession  obsession   Favoriting Histoire D'O...bsession Travail Liberté  1976  7"  1:13:29 (Pop-up)
 
The Chicago Women's Liberation Rock Band  secretary   Favoriting The New Haven Women's Liberation Rock Band, The Chicago Women's Liberation Rock Band – Mountain Moving Day  1972    1:33:21 (Pop-up)
Groupement Culturel Renault  cadences   Favoriting   1973  7"  1:42:01 (Pop-up)
Polibio Mayorga Con Los Montoneros de Ecuador  la huelga   Favoriting Arriba El Ecuador / La Huelga  1982  7"  1:47:25 (Pop-up)
De Røde Raketter  Idag Activ - I Morgen Dig   Favoriting dag Activ Stilladser Imorgen Dig  1978  7"  1:50:09 (Pop-up)
the ford (UK) workers combine  johnny strika   Favoriting ford workers on strike  1978  7"  1:53:02 (Pop-up)
Chicho Sánchez Ferlosio  a la huelga   Favoriting Canciones De La Resistencia Española Año 1963  1964    1:55:27 (Pop-up)
 
andy clancy  victory unite   Favoriting   1987  7"  2:11:02 (Pop-up)
Jacques Brunet  le riseau   Favoriting Les Piqueteurs De La Gloire  1977    2:13:30 (Pop-up)
Sarah gunning  come all you coal miners   Favoriting come all you coal miners v/a  1973    2:16:54 (Pop-up)
redskins  Lean On Me! (Northern Mix)   Favoriting Lean on me  1983  12"  2:18:58 (Pop-up)
Mijn-Alarm  Mijn-Alarm   Favoriting   1986  7"  2:23:52 (Pop-up)
Fosatu Worker Choirs  Ke Fosatu   Favoriting v/a  1985    2:27:35 (Pop-up)
Den Syngende Strejkes Kor Og Orkester  Sangen Fra Amagertorv   Favoriting Den Syngende Strejkes Kor Og Orkester  1976  7"  2:29:55 (Pop-up)
 
Bill-O-Men  greve generale   Favoriting Bill-O-Men  1977    2:40:18 (Pop-up)
Arlene Mantle  The Battle Of 66 Street   Favoriting   1986  7"  2:48:16 (Pop-up)
D.O.A.  general strike   Favoriting General Strike b/w That's Life  1983  7"  2:53:24 (Pop-up)
Les Comédiens Du Théâtre De La Croix-Rousse  blues de 1886   Favoriting La Longue Marche Des 1er Mai  1965  7"  2:57:04 (Pop-up)


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Listener comments!

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Yetz:

Satie me!
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listener james from westwood:

Morning, Trouble, Josh, and all!
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TDK60:

Bonjour, DJ Trouble. Hi Josh.
  9:02am
Pax:

Ello
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Handy Haversack:

Gray Thursday greetings, Trouble and all the Troubled. An especially troubling week here in NYC. Looks like Josh gets it.
  9:02am
Robm:

Morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
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Zipperhead7:

Good morning Troubled modernists! Looking forward to today's show
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Chris Hiatt:

Good Morning!
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Edgar from Maine:

Chick-a-dee-dee-dee everyone.
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kentuckywoman:

Good morning! I've been looking forward to this all week :D
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Marley P. Dogg:

Morning friends and Star Wars enthusiasts
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Strandlund:

Good Morning Josh!! Thanks for filling in!!
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Zipperhead7:

Nice spin on the Situationists with today's graphic
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TDK60:

Mark Stewart, RIP.
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jinjabredboy:

good morning/afternoon to all
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Trouble:

good grey thursday morning. My amazing guest josh macphee will be in around 10
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MarginWalker in Baltimore:

↳ Marley P. Dogg @9:03
This is the Way
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Ironside:

Morning Trouble, Josh, Troubled and Troublemakers alike
  9:04am
peter in SEA:

Bonjour, Trouble, Josh & listeners. Power to the People!
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Aaron Working In Newark:

Good Morning Trouble
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love2laf:

Good morning Trouble, and Josh, looking forward to this show. Trouble have you heard the new Uman song Paysage Interiour, there are birds to be heard, I immediately thought of you. Morning fellow Modernists.
  9:04am
John howell:

this beat was laid down by Eric B Satie
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Edgar from Maine:

Sounding lovely so far Trouble! Looking forward to the guest DJ.
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Crownless Gander:

Good morning! Looking forward to today's show!
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Strandlund:

↳ Trouble @9:04
Oh...Morning Trouble!!
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Crownless Gander:

↳ John howell @9:04
Ha ha!
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Zipperhead7:

I remember bumper stickers that said "The next time you're in danger, call a hippie." Another popular one had a peace sign labelled "Footprint of the American chicken"
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:09am
Karl Ward:

↳ Zipperhead7 @9:07
My bumper stickers read "WFMU" and "How am I driving? How does an engine even work? How can a loving god cause such agony?"
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Zipperhead7 @9:07
Here in Vigilante City, we just sit back with our phones out while our fellows in need are killed in front of us. Pass out the bumper stickers!
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Edgar from Maine:

My WFMU bumper stickers all faded so we just got a license plate that says WOOFMOO.
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Zipperhead7:

↳ Karl Ward @9:09
Love it!!!
  9:14am
kevlicki:

Looking forward to todays guest!
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TDK60:

Hats off the radical musicians of Bristol.
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Zinn The Mood:

Good grey morning, Trouble and The Makers,
Sick world of alienation and lack of compassion and empathy we inhabit. All driven, not hyperbolically either, by the commodification of our interpersonal relationships and the brutal, merciless grinder of capitalism under which we all are churned up in one way or another for profit.
Love to all comrades…
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Hughie Considine:

↳ Zipperhead7 @9:07
Ouch! The heyday of the snarky bumper sticker no doubt...
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:19am
Karl Ward:

↳ Zipperhead7 @9:12
In case you too need such a sticker: topatoco.com...
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HyperDose:

Gosh, this is Troublesome 😏
  9:21am
Barbara in PA:

Zinn The Mood, I hear you!
  9:21am
Fred and Alan:

Hello Love2laf Zipperhead Strandlund Edgar from Maine Chris Hiatt
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love2laf:

↳ Fred and Alan @9:21
Good morning Fred and Alan, hope you will have good things happen today.
  9:23am
Fred and Alan:

Keep dreaming Love2laf
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Zipperhead7:

↳ Karl Ward @9:19
Thanx Karl!
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Edgar from Maine:

Howdy F&A.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Song: "jacques derrida" by "scritti politti"
This song makes a différance!
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Zipperhead7:

↳ Fred and Alan @9:21
Hi fellas! Hope the back is better. My doctor once told me we should be walking on all fours
  9:27am
rob:

Can’t ever have enough style council!
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Zinn The Mood:

↳ Handy Haversack @9:10
Still so heart-sickened over that fascist vigilantism in the subway, and how the media is covering it.

Why didn’t anyone in that train speak up, “yo, he’s going to die if you don’t stop choking him; does this person deserve to die because he’s having a mental breakdown?”

It would have totally changed the feeling in the subway car: from thinking of the person being choked as a disturber of the peace inconveniencing and perhaps possibly scaring a few people, to acknowledging a human being with mental health problems having a bad day but basically not going to do any real harm to anybody.

Just one person speaking up could have engendered the requisite compassion and empathy that that situation needed.

And that poor guy, who was a Michael Jackson impersonator with mental health issues, would be alive today and (hopefully) getting treatment, while at the same time the crowd could have shamed and stopped the vigilante asshole ex-Marine for wanting to act out his fascist fantasy.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Zinn The Mood @9:28
Impossible to comprehend how everyone else could just let it happen. It's so fucking depressing. That they'd rather get video of a person dying than lift a voice to prevent it. What a nightmare.

This fucking city.
  9:33am
Chief Guy:

Derrida was a fraud
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Edgar from Maine:

↳ Handy Haversack @9:32
The phones own the people and tell them what to do. I was hit by a taxi in NYC and a cop standing there wouldn't look up from his phone to assist. It's a sickness and degrading to the human race.
  9:38am
Malcolm:

Hello trouble and listenwrs
  9:38am
Chief Guy:

Edgar is spot on
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HyperDose:

↳ Handy Haversack @9:32
It's an issue in schools as well. People would rather stand around with their phones out watching a child get pummeled, than step in and do the right thing. Humanity disgusts me.
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Zinn The Mood:

↳ Edgar from Maine @9:35
For some reason people still think cops are there “to help.” They’re not.
If they’re honest, which of course is asking too much, they just wanna “get home at night.” And if that means becoming trigger-happy and suspecting all brown and black people of being criminals because of their skin color, well, he knows his union will cover him and he’ll still have job. Literal license to murder, without consequences .
Policing must be completely overhauled, with an eye toward abolition.
They literally don’t do much at all that is good. And what they do do can be taken up by a whole hose of unarmed agencies, from mental health experts to marriage counselors to mediators. Traffics personnel can write tickets, etc. The armed ones should be utterly reduced in number, confined to their precincts and only called upon for deadly emergencies (of which there are proportionately so few).
  9:43am
Fred and Alan:

zipperhead it was the knee tibia bone from the horsetraining accident
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Crownless Gander:

↳ Edgar from Maine @9:35
I've got a song in the works about this! "The Glow," a Kraftwerkian heavily ironic "celebration" of the new world we now live in, created by our devices for their own benefit.
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Edgar from Maine:

↳ Crownless Gander @9:43
Love it!
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Song: "the sound of bell ringing ..." by "dominic wilcox"
This is fun - thought it was Moondog for a while.
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Fredericks:

↳ Edgar from Maine @9:35
"The phones own the people and tell them what to do." That is feed it more data.
  9:50am
rob:

I could go for this Dominic Wilcox record. Where did you find it?
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Crownless Gander:

↳ Zinn The Mood @9:43
A cop once said to me, "If the solution to your problem isn't on my belt (handcuffs, gun), it's not my job." He was right, but probably didn't realize that no problem's solution is on his belt.
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Edgar from Maine:

↳ Zinn The Mood @9:43
I'd rather live with them than without them (imagine Proud Boys assuming the role). You're f*cked if you'er a cop in this country because you must assume that every interaction will involve a stupid intoxicated person and a firearm. That's what peaceful stoners, people with more pigment in their skin and mentally ill people are seen as. Potential killers. If we weren't swimming in firearms, we'd have a better chance.




gizmos to avoid problems
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Zinn The Mood @9:43
100 percent.

And Jordan Neely was not killed because people love phones. He was killed because he did not rise to the level of "human" to the people on that subway car -- unhoused, Black, mentally ill: enough to remove him from the category of human and keep anyone from lifting a finger while he was murdered. Phones are a symptom, not a cause. Racism -- the strategy of capitalism -- is what dehumanizes us one from another to the extent that any atrocity, it seems, can be committed, and we let it happen as long as it happens to that degraded Other.
  9:53am
Brendan:

Thank you, Trouble! I am making my first trip to London in two weeks. I think this will help!
  9:54am
Chief Guy:

Edgar spot on again
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Webhamster Henry:

Trouble: Thank you for being our guide!
  9:56am
Robm:

↳ Edgar from Maine @9:51
Thank you for being a voice of reason this morning
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Son Of Pantz:

Was it Edward Longshanks that stole the Stone of Scone so he could sit on it, thereby thumbing his nose at the Scots?
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BillyLundun:

I recommend navigating London by sound only.
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The Oscar:

I took my honeymoon in London last summer! Our hotel was just down the street from St. Paul's Cathedral, and we were NOT prepared for those bells!
  9:57am
gauche knee:

Very much needed Trouble & that 1st set💗
Troubling times can only be won with each & everyone of us joining, building, creating healthy communities, learning & unlearning as we go along…a loving resistance. Using our phones to connect NOT to be weak @ss clowns who participate in dehumanization & violence instead of intervention.

Thank you Trouble, Zinn, & Handy for your words & spirit. I have too much to say while feeling so much & yet no words.
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TDK60:

↳ Robm @9:56
Or, the voice of business as usual. Which is murderous.
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Edgar from Maine:

↳ Robm @9:56
I think it's the weed.
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HyperDose:

↳ Song: "Bella Ciao" by "giovanna davini"
❤️🧡💜
  9:58am
kevlicki:

Hi Josh and trouble!
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Andrea C:

↳ Song: "Bella Ciao" by "giovanna davini"
This version is VERY uncommon and unknown. not surprised @Trouble!!!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ gauche knee @9:57
With you, gauche knee.
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Edgar from Maine:

↳ TDK60 @9:58
I don't accept the status quo. Just observe it. Humanity is always in need of an overhall. Peace.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Good morning, Trouble and worker bees!
  10:01am
Robm:

↳ TDK60 @9:58
Okay was not going to get into this, because arguing about the police here just goes into all cops are bad trigger happy assholes who like blowing people away, i don’t believe that and i never will
  10:01am
Robm:

↳ Edgar from Maine @9:58
Ha ha ha
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TDK60:

↳ Robm @10:01
Robm, it's much more complex than that. Policing is not working for the mass of people, maybe the rich.
  10:05am
Robm:

↳ TDK60 @10:02
Not going to get into this with you, you want to believe that fine that’s your right, going to leave the accu before i write something which would get me banned
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Andrea C:

↳ Song: "Pa' Los Obreros" by "Frank Ferrer"
CHE PEZZETTONE!!!!
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HyperDose:

↳ Song: "Pa' Los Obreros" by "Frank Ferrer"
This is hot fire
  10:06am
kevlicki:

I hope morphe is tuning in, he’s bound to enjoy this show
  10:07am
Chief Guy:

Robm Mia spot on
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Crownless Gander:

The job of the police has always been to keep land and property in the hands of the ruling class and out of the hands of those from whom it needs to be stolen. Abolition is about recognizing that and finding better ways to create social order, based on care and mutual support rather than greed and violence. Just abolishing the police and leaving everything else as it is has never been anyone's proposed solution.
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TDK60:

While I'm at it, stop "Cop City" in Atlanta. Join the movement.
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Zinn The Mood:

↳ Edgar from Maine @9:51
They *are* the Proud Boys. Just as they were the Klan. It’s overwhelmingly a breeding ground for fascists.

We’ve been conditioned in a billion ways to having fealty to police. There’s a sanctification of authority, military and cops, that is so deep in our culture (movies, tv, sports, etc) that it’s gonna take a long time to purge. But it must be purged.

We don’t need police, not in their present form, *at all*.

In their defense I will suggest that they are asked to do too much. Completely change their responsibilities, so that they’re not required to respond to all of the above -mentioned, and we’ll have a far better world.
As it is now it’s a festering toxic stew of abuse, menace, apathy, fear and brutality.
  10:09am
Chief Guy:

Love this tune. But reminds me of the plight of the immigrants fleeing from fascism in South and Middle America.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ TDK60 @10:07
A corporate-military landgrab in classic American fashion. Take the commons away from the Black and Brown and militarize it with corporate sponsorship. It's Atlanta's specialty.
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Vivian:

One thing I need to mention - be careful about generalizing an entire group. Be it profession, politics, nationality, etc. In my experience, I've encounter bad cops, but there are good cops. When I was a rape crisis counselor in college, I worked with a cop who helped us educate some of the uninformed in his squad.
  10:12am
the bunk:

perhaps they (the police) should have different stuff on their belts.
can openers?
a book?
dog treats?
plant food?
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HyperDose:

↳ TDK60 @10:07
"Killer" Mike of Run The Jewels fame has been surprisingly quiet about cop city. He usually spearheads the human rights campaigns down there
  10:14am
the bunk:

a harmonica?
mad-libs?
narcan?
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TDK60:

↳ HyperDose @10:12
HyperD. Not familiar.
  10:15am
the bunk:

a guitar?
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:15am
Vivian:

↳ TDK60 @10:07
Totally agree. Waiting for the pr push for Cop City, in light of what happened yesterday- when we actually need to do is invest more in mental health and pass stricter anti-gun laws.
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Dances with Moomins:

Good morning Troublists. Just had a snow flurry pass over ( south west Finland ) hope thats the last of that stuff !
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HyperDose:

↳ TDK60 @10:14
He had a show on Netflix called Trigger Warning where he sat down with local and national figures to discuss the unfair treatment of minorities in America, and the steps they can take to "Plot, Plan, Strategize, Organize and Mobilize" social change
  10:17am
the bunk:

a map of Helsinki?
  10:18am
venkmann:

Oh bless you both for not going into the particulars of the past ridic 3 years. Politics scmolotics. Glad youre back, Josh!
  This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:18am
len49:

Wonderful. We're traveling in Portugal, heard great Fado yesterday and just tuned in to hear this great music. Back to JC tomorrow! Missed WFMU.
  10:20am
Chief Guy:

Striking is a universal workers right. No exceptions even for public workers including cops.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:21am
Jason from Houston:

Hey there.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Also get rid of SCMODS (State County Municipal Offender Data System).
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TDK60:

Josh Mac. also co-produces a magazine, 'Signal: A Journal of International Political Graphics and Culture' Colorful little booklets. I think there are 7 issues.
justseeds.org...
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:24am
Crownless Gander:

As an anticapitalist graphic designer myself, I wonder what Josh makes of Desmond Wong's statement that "There is no such thing as ethical graphic design under capitalism." Is it obviously wrong or wrong in a way that deserves to be taken seriously?
  10:26am
Chief Guy:

Good point by Ken but it must follow the priority of recognizing the universal workers right to strike. Including public employees and cops
  10:27am
venkmann:

SCMODS! Jake and Elwood would be so proud of you!
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Acid Cazh:

Loving today's show, Trouble! I'm a card-carrying member of the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World), and we do a lot of singing leftist songs at our meetings/rallies/marches. It's hard to keep from thrusting my fist in the air at my desk at work today. Can't let the boss know my true alignment.

Labor is entitled to all it creates. Profits are unpaid wages of the working class. Abolish all borders and prisons, seize the means of production and live in harmony with the earth and one another. ✊
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Acid Cazh @10:29
With you, Acid Cazh!
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TDK60:

Acid Cazh, you're a Wobbly. Joe Hill lives.
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Zipperhead7:

I read Melvin Dobofsky's "We Shall Be All: A History of the IWW" and it was a life-changing experience. Highly recommended!!!
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Zipperhead7:

Here's a podcast on the murder of IWW organizer Frank Little, who was a genuine American hero: deathinthewestpod.com
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Dances with Moomins:

I'll have to listen to the show again on the archive to garner all this information ( and hear all the music ) . Thanks Trouble and Josh MacPhee.
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The Oscar:

↳ Song: "secretary" by "The Chicago Women's Liberation Roc...
Been working, but this has been an amazing show, and holy COW this one rules!
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Jason from Houston:

↳ Song: "secretary" by "The Chicago Women's Liberation Roc...
HELL YES
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Zinn The Mood:

↳ Handy Haversack @9:52
Yes, exactly, HH.

There’s another aspect that I’m interested in.

It has to do with the fealty to the state we have, or more precisely the lack of thinking for ourselves as compassionate human beings willing to do the right thing, even when the chips are down. I’m not saying to intervene like a karate hero; I am saying that at least you can change the atmosphere with a few words.

I think societally in America we’ve been groomed to be like stunted children who do as their told, and absolutely never, ever ruffle any feathers. That we often can’t imagine even acting in accordance with what is right, damn “the law” or what the mob is doing.

Even in the most innocuous ways. Yesterday I was at the public library and offered to carry in some boxes for an event some folks were having. The woman leading it declined, who was holding two big boxes herself and was probably my age, my offer to help , because I “might get hurt.” The implication was the litigation that we all live in fear of.

What a fucking backward, crippled society, contorted out of the most basic of human relations, that have existed since time immemorial. Whether it’s simply helping, or rescuing food from a corporate buffet or supermarket that because of “the law” it feels it has to throw out in the garbage. How warped have we become?

Yes, Corporate media either ridicules (RW) or ignores (mainstream liberal) the realities of the poor. And this is what we get: fearful little tough guys, living out their vigilante fantasies of killing the expendable poor and black who just might threaten their bourgeois consciousness that they indeed bear some responsibility for the condition of these folks (“I don’t want my taxes paying for *those people*”).

Folks, it’s going be up to us, you and me and everybody else, for it the human race will live in peace and harmony, by dignifying every living person with the bare minimum of decent housing, food, healthcare and social programs in an economy built to do so.
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Neo-Canut from Lyon:

Thank you very much for this show, I'm pretty late to the party but I appreciate the theme a lot! I'm actually thinking of joining an union right now due to the recent protests in France, such as the CGT!

The IWW seems to have a good agenda for the US, and I hope people around the world will be inspired by the zbeul in their own ways... Cheers, and thank you again for the great music!
  10:41am
Chief Guy:

Even without the lyrics, this is such a catchy tune! I’ll be humming it all day!
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Andrea:

↳ Song: "cadences" by "Groupement Culturel Renault"
maybe we'll all wear pants tomorrow!
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The Oscar:

↳ Song: "cadences" by "Groupement Culturel Renault"
I don't think I've heard anyone simultaneously cop from Isaac Hayes and Serge Gainsbourg in the same song!
  10:46am
kevlicki:

That women’s liberation. Rock band track was amazing! What a contrast to something like ray Manzareks solos and Morrisons lyrics
  10:48am
kevlicki:

Paul Bruno played an awesome track the other day, that I wanted to share with Josh

Brother D With Collective Effort- How We Gonna Make The Black Nation Rise?

https://wfmu.org/flashplayer.php?version=3&show=127174&archive=234545&starttime=1:25:43

That incorporate “educate, agitate, organize” really nicely in the song
  Swag For Life Member 10:48am
Andrea:

↳ Andrea @10:43
that lyric is actually from "secretary" by "The Chicago Women's Liberation Rock Band" (the song before)
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Handy Haversack:

↳ kevlicki @10:48
Just making the URL clickable, kevlicki:

wfmu.org...
  10:52am
greg technology:

Love the tunes!!
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iiibeat:

Marble Charlotte
(Gaps and Leaps)

Prior sensibilities wax with waning efficacy.
The space of experience gives course for cosmic body drives.
Conversions on inversions of process.
Internal externality. Externality internalized.

Awareness makes no decisions.

Safety Mountain peaks under the sea.
Cephalopods play in rings round the summit.
  10:53am
John Henry:

Hi Hi Hu
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Neo-Canut from Lyon:

Danke schön pour cette pause syndicale, chère Trouble et cher Joe !
  10:55am
John Henry:

I’m wondering, how would you define a police state? In yer own words
  10:56am
kevlicki:

Thanks HH, I’m streaming from my stupid-phone, while harvesting greens for market. Not on top of the tech
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HyperDose:

↳ kevlicki @10:56
Happy produce picking! Certainly one of life's joys
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TDK60:

↳ Song: "a la huelga" by "Chicho Sánchez Ferlosio"
This Chico S. Ferlosio might have had to be an underground release in 1964 Franco Spain. [?]
  10:58am
John Henry:

Now, it is Ok if you do not know
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Zinn The Mood:

Excellent International May Day show, Trouble!

Thanks for bringing on Josh from Interference Archives. Of the many great programs I’ve attended there over the years one of my fave was the one on the history of and how to make your own low-wattage community radio. Such cool stuff there always.

Now then, who’s gonna suggest the first WFMU anti-capitalist Troublemakers meetup? Seriously, can we get something happening?

@HH, @TDK, @dday, @Passaic, @guache, @Hyperdose, @Zipper, @Acid, @Webhamster, @Crownless, @Vivian, (who else?)
  11:00am
John Henry:

Would you care to take a guess?
  11:01am
Marie in Queens:

Hey, just tuning in. Groovy. Interestingly, today Bernie Sanders has an editorial in the Guardian about how we need a 32-hour work week.
  11:01am
John Henry:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:00
Show us your philosophy, baby yea! Can u show us your personality in the under 30 seconds?
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:00
Maybe morphe' would let us meet up in his garden as things warm up. TDK60 and I are meeting up to see Meg Baird play this week, which I'm looking forward to tremendously.
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HyperDose:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:00
Always appreciate hearing your thoughtful takes and ideas!
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Zipperhead7:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:00
I live about 40 miles NW of NYC and am up for it!
  11:03am
John Henry:

If you cannot define a “police state” in your own words, do not be embarrassed! THIS IS AMERICA 1/3 of Americans have attended University 2/3 have not
  11:04am
Chief Guy:

Say what you will about Bernie Sanders but he sticks to his principles. Even when Alexander Solzhenitsyn lived in Vermont, Bernie stuck to his guns and refused to even acknowledge his presence.
  Swag For Life Member 11:06am
hilaryprudy:

the brits have always been more class conscious than US...many people in the US have been convinced that if they don't "make it", it's their fault...
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

Heyo. Forgot about the special program today, must listen in the archives....
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Zipperhead7:

I suspect the only way to address the inherent inequalities and exploitation of capitalism is through a vital labor movement. Transfer payments after the fact largely serve to uphold and legitimate the status quo
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northguineahills:

necessitated along with a 32-hour work week is mandatory employer paid leave (in which the US is auspicious among industrialized nations in not having).
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:02
Oooh, if some kind of meetup does happen, please ping me you know where to find me.
  11:07am
John Henry:

So, wana take a guess? At the definition of a Police State?

If not that is Ok. Epistemology is not important anymore, now that we have the bomb
  11:07am
gauche knee:

@kevlicki, absolute fantastic jam! thnx 4 sharing !
Josh, loving your selections & all this history!
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Peter in SEA:

Great conversation, great songs! Bravo Trouble and Josh!
  11:08am
Matt in NT:

good point
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Black Cat:

I can verify that kids are taught handwriting in school.

Of course, as a general rule, physical is better.
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Handy Haversack:

Paper: 100 percent information retention after 500 years, already demonstrated.
  11:09am
Marie in Queens:

And what about all the energy, electricity, it takes to operate the internet? (but maybe there are also some large energy savings because of it..)
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ John Henry @11:07
Oooh, I'll have a stab at it. Police State = a state where only agents of the State are authorized to use violence against others, under most circumstances, usually in enforcement of rules set up to keep the class system in place. Includes union busting, non-equally applied law enforcement, redlining, etc.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:07
Word, 3Moons.
  11:10am
Marie in Queens:

↳ northguineahills @11:06
We are the worst in terms of Western industrialized countries in terms of labor (I think...)
  11:11am
puppy farts:

Woah! Just tuned in but all of this sounds so interesting I’m going to need to listen to this again later!!
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Zinn The Mood:

(…hanging tons of laundry on racks inside the apartment, while listening to wonderful discussion between T and J).

Back soon…
  11:11am
John Henry:

↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:09
Thank you for this, Threemoons!
I’m always curious how folks define and think of a “Police State”
  11:11am
John Henry:

Any one else? Want to take a try at defining a “police state” in your own words?
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

And yeah, I am painfully aware of the lack of workers' rights and any kind of safety net in the States. The only way to have ANY chance of not dying poor is to have inherited wealth for the most part. And of course, when you have a Christofascist state that wants mandatory birth without mandatory support, and no right to die and outrageous end of life medical costs, and zero help if you actually have kids with any medical issues, any chances of wealth accumulation go out the door.
  Swag For Life Member 11:13am
hilaryprudy:

Russia is a good example of a police state...domestic opposition to the Ukraine debacle has been completely quashed...
  11:14am
John Henry:

Only the educated are free.

Solidarity can only* come with understanding
  11:15am
John Henry:

↳ hilaryprudy @11:13
Is this your submission? ! How would you define a police state in your own voice?
  11:15am
Marie in Queens:

↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:11
You just encapsulated so much there. It's really bad. So much poverty here and it is largely not spoken about in the media or by politicians, and people are kind of ashamed of it cuz in the US ur socialized to think that if you don't "make it," it's all your fault
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

And considering that the illegitimate Supreme Court is about to toss the very last remnants of Affirmative Action for higher education institutions (largely due to cherry picking examples and turning groups against each other -- see: Black admissions vs. Asian admissions) it's only going to get worse as the nepotism spiral continues without any brakes whatsoever.
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Vivian:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:02
I'll be in the city 5/31-6/1 for a visit. If there is a meetup during that time, count me in!
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ Vivian @11:16
Cool, let us know!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

The voting primary season will soon be upon us. Make sure you're registered and vote.
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northguineahills:

↳ Marie in Queens @11:10
hint: we're one of the very few of any nation, industrialized or not w/o mandatory paid leave: en.wikipedia.org...
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Vivian @11:16
Oh, cool, Vivian! We are going to see a show 6/1 but so far have nothing that I know of 5/31 (one of Dave Mandl's bands is playing at Main Drag Music that night, though, in case that's of interest).
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Zipperhead7:

Foucault (who I find problematic in many ways) defined a police state in terms of Bentham's panopticon, in which cells are under constant suriveillance from a central source. The inmates never know if they're being watched, so they police themselves.
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

Another thing at the heart of any police state is ideology being used as a secondary source of oppression. In China it's ostensibly the Party. In Russia it moved from the Party back to the Church. And in the US, Christofascism is the pole that the Confederate American Swastika Flag is hung on...with background support from other fringe Xtian groups and ingrained Calvinism that pain is good/prepares you for the afterlife, and failure is deserved because you didn't pray hard enough.
  11:19am
Marie in Queens:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:02
Hey, I would love to be included in any meetup as well @)
  11:19am
John Henry:

↳ Zipperhead7 @11:19
Now, in your own words, please
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Acid Cazh:

↳ Song: "come all you coal miners" by "Sarah gunning"
SHIVERS
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Marie in Queens @11:19
Roger!
  11:20am
Marie in Queens:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:19
Grazie!!!
  11:20am
Tony from Chicago:

This is a great show. Thank you!
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

Also look at Saudi Arabia and Iran -- faith is ostensibly the WHY behind severe policing, when it only benefits the few in charge and keeps the locals in line...and doing the policing themselves.
  11:22am
Chief Guy:

@zipper. Interesting. I see where he described it by comparing it to a panopticon, but what was his actual definition of a police state?
  11:23am
Chief Guy:

Also why is Foucault problematic?
  Swag For Life Member 11:23am
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Song: "come all you coal miners" by "Sarah gunning"
*Nothing* like hearing the word “capitalism” sung in a WV coal miner’s accent!

Had one of my best interactions in WV on a weeklong motorcycle trip up from FLA to NYC in 2006, decked out with subversive stickers all over my helmet.
All that Blue/Red, divide and conquer BS really unfortunately works on too many of us. There are comrades everywhere!
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Vivian:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:18
Thanks Handy, I'll check it out. Once things are a bit more finalized, I'll let you know.
  11:23am
Marie in Queens:

The US, very sadly, seems to have a lot of racism embedded in our police. It continues to shock me (the finding of racist texts, etc. showing it).
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Handy Haversack:

Oh, meant to post a clickable link to Justseeds: justseeds.org...
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prof.fuzz:

morning y'all
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Neo-Canut:

Sorry to be a bit pretentious, but a police state is nothing more than the "integrated spectacle" Guy Debord described in the Comments on the Society of the Spectacle, in 1988, the merging of the worst aspects of the USSR and the USA into one ever-present ideology at this point of history...
You have at same time the pervasiveness of nosy bureaucracy and the brutality of market competition imposed upon us all at the same time...
  11:26am
John Henry:

Would anyone else kindly like to offer a definition of a “Police State” in their own words? If not that is ok
  11:26am
Pippy:

Is there a place to see the previous songs played?
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Pippy @11:26
www.wfmu.org...
  11:28am
J-W from B:

My goodness! Trouble! De kreuners for colemining..
This must have veen the last push to actually close the mines..
  Swag For Life Member 11:28am
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Marie in Queens @11:15
10 year olds found working at McDonald's, while we abolish minimum age laws.

www.theguardian.com...

But I thought this only happens in “3rd World” countries??
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Kevlicki:

@crownless gander- I’m sure Josh would be down to discuss the role design, however futile, plays in our current economic system. Try emailing him (I think we may have contacts available on artists pages at Justseeds) or stop by Interference Archive if your in Brooklyn, he can be found there
  11:28am
Pippy:

I've been on that page but don't see or know what to click there
  11:30am
Marie in Queens:

Police state--a country or province where police and/or the military have undue influence in the daily lives of people and the tools of government, that is to largely state sanctioned, and for which they are not held accountable.
  11:30am
John Henry:

A police state is like a day care. Nap time and reading time and snack time then yer parents pick you up! & you have dinner and story time and then off to bed! Right?
  11:31am
John Henry:

Do u believe everything you read
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Karl Ward:

In my grad school studies, I got a lot of useful info and perspective from the Beautiful Trouble site (no relation to this show): beautifultrouble.org...
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

And an adjunct to any police state is keeping the general populace in a state of need and desperation, which makes it easier to promote divide and conquer ideologies. Ever notice how Red States especially seem to think that universal healthcare is "evil bad communism?"
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TDK60:

↳ Song: "Sangen Fra Amagertorv" by "Den Syngende Strejkes ...
Those singers can't stop singing, even on strike.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Pippy @11:28
Hi, Pippy, that link goes directly to the playlist page where everything played is, er, listed. I'm not sure what device you're using, but on a web browser, it should be present. You might need to switch from comments to playlist if you're on a phone or the app, but I'm not totally sure.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ TDK60 @11:32
I would like to U.S. labor to reach a point where we could issue accordions to striking workers. It clearly helps!
  11:33am
Marie in Queens:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:28
It makes me sick how we are moving backwards on that. Factually, it is being driven by Republicans at the state level with legislation
  11:34am
Marie in Queens:

Greed, greed, greed. You can blame our gun problem on greed as well
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

Also, ask any right wing moron to define what the first and second Amendments actually guarantee and you'll get the equivalent of "I can spew my bullshit anywhere and telling me to shut up violates mah free speech and Jesus says I am entitled to take an assault rifle into Starbucks."
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Zipperhead7:

↳ Chief Guy @11:23
Send me a message from my profile and I'll address this -- too long-winded for here
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TDK60:

Throat lozenges for the Kor Og Orkester!
  11:35am
John Henry:

Without understanding there can be no solidarity
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northguineahills:

↳ Marie in Queens @11:33
outside of being labelled socialist, they will also "inform you" that no one really wants to work anyways, as employers can't find enough workers (this has been spewed to me many times).
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

I mean, my brother and his husband became Australian citizens last weekend and they have zero intention of bringing themselves or their kids back to the States. In the meantime, the Right tries to paint Oz as a hellhole because people don't live in fear of being shot up leaving their house.
  Swag For Life Member 11:35am
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:02
Ok, thanks everybody - sounds like a good possibility!

What’s the best way to organize such a meetup? You all have more experience than I in this. Via email?

Depending on the size we could even think about doing it at Interference Archives in Brooklyn; if bigger one of the many great public parks in NYC (was gonna say the Bohemian Hall, but not interested in playing $8 a pint or listening to the garbage music there). If it’s in a park I’ll pack some good austerity-priced beer cans from an Eastern European shop in Astoria.
  11:35am
John Henry:

So what is a Police State?

South Africa is a textbook example
  11:36am
Marie in Queens:

This show at least offers a bright spot--showing all the people who are fighting for justice
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Neo-Canut:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:28
This is terrible, the normalization of child labor means an increased competition among the working class, which will drive down wages in the US and even beyond, and this is the last thing we want during a recession with severe inflation.
If IBM can hire 13-year old computer wizzes tomorrow, I fear for our collective future, and not just because I'm bad at my job...
  11:36am
Pippy:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:32
Thank you, I figured it out <3
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:35
Zinn, you're in Astoria? Me too! Ditto RE no to the Bohemian; too noisy.
  11:37am
Marie in Queens:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:35
I'll be sure to bring some beers to share @)
  Swag For Life Member 11:37am
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Handy Haversack @11:02
Yes, definitely; the morphe garden hang when the weather gets nicer would be really swell!

Unfortunately I can’t get out as much these days with two little ones. But I will absolutely for the anti-capitalist Troublemakers hang!
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

There's always Astoria Park, or if we wanted a place with a lot of space and food there's Pig Beach which I have yet to hit but is allegedly good for such things. OTOH the park is guaranteed to NOT have blasting TVs etc.
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northguineahills:

↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:34
as someone who is living surrounded by that worldview (that is actively promoted), I'm afforded an unfiltered immersion w/ that (lack of) thought process, so, I could write a thesis on it once I'm out of here.
  11:38am
gauche knee:

Zinn, perhaps contact via profiles? ( I need to start signing in). I’m in Queens too, Astoria park would be a dream!
  11:39am
morphe':

In the late 70s- 80s ... there was a label called
Paredon that covered a lot of Liberation struggles
https://folkways.si.edu/paredon
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ gauche knee @11:38
We can hit each other up via the "connect" stuff through our profiles. Handy and K8 already have my info! :)
  11:40am
John Henry:

An American looks upon a striker as a stranger. In America we think “GET BACK TO WORK” you ungrateful such and such
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Karl Ward:

Nobody listens to Aerosmith
  11:40am
Marie in Queens:

↳ northguineahills @11:35
Yeah, mm hm, and, seems to me, it's largely because they won't pay workers enough. I think if you can't pay workers a living wage, maybe you shouldn't have a business? (I'm thinking this might be overly simplistic though)
  11:41am
jimphis:

Your students tune in FMU!!
  11:41am
FKA Kat in Chicago:

This guest set is great, I can’t give it my full attention presently but I’m going to enjoy the archive later!
  11:41am
John Henry:

police state is a state in which the public police are paid more than public school teachers. That’s all
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ John Henry @11:40
I hear you. I'm in one of those notorious positions that SHOULD be hourly and get OT protection but now that I am a "manager" that's a nope. And, as we need jobs for basic healthcare, if I lose this one I am fucked ten ways to Sunday. Note that tying healthcare to employment also is a major underpinning of ageism AND gender injustice (can't have any little ladies taking maternity leave, or olds getting sick on the company insurance dime).
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Zinn The Mood @11:37
E-mail seems reasonable.
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TDK60:

↳ morphe' @11:39
Hiya traveller morphe': Yeah, the Interference Archive has an LP shelf. Definitely some Pardeon LPs in there. And a turntable is there.
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Jason from Houston:

↳ Karl Ward @11:40
Seriously.
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Zinn The Mood:

Hey Josh, are you familiar with a WV coal miner record called “They Can’t Put It Back…I Can Feel The People Stirring” (Songs form a Ravaged Land)? Think it’s from 1971.

Really nice lyric book too, with pictures of striking miner actions and the savaging of the mountains.

Out of Capon Br, WV, on Dillons Run Records. Found it at a 2nd hand rack in front of a record store in Tarrytown.
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Mick:

Checking in super late today - thanks for this incredible show! Time for another trip to interference archive.

Now to catch up on this comment board...
  11:44am
John Henry:

↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:41
Mhm. The lack of Healthcare protection in America is rooted in our Slave Society past. 1776-1965

Why should the govnm’t
provide health insurance when it is up to the individual to determine their own destiny?
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Karl Ward:

↳ Jason from Houston @11:43
In my mind I'm picturing Steven Tyler getting up from his chair to turn off the radio, saying "jesus what is this garbage" before he realizes that the song on the radio is "Love in an Elevator," and then he turns the radio off anyway
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TDK60:

↳ TDK60 @11:43
Paredon. The Paredon label has been taken over, archived by Smithsonian Folkways records.
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HyperDose:

↳ John Henry @11:44
Any opposition to universal healthcare baffles me. We aren't people, we're "life events"
  11:46am
John Henry:

↳ HyperDose @11:45
I’m wonder, Are you able to Define a police state in yer own words?
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Marie in Queens:

↳ John Henry @11:44
I only learned that over the past few years. This attitude of, well, if it means that "we" (white people) are paying for blacks (and now you can add "immigrants of color", well, then let's not pay and we will all just suffer along. Someone wrote a great book about that just a few years ago
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Kevlicki:

Morphe & TDK60 I believe we have almost the full Paredón catalog in the Interference Archive collection.
There is also an interview with Barbara Dane-who founded Paredón, in the podcast series archive volunteers make- Audio Interference
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ HyperDose @11:45
Yup. And the current setup is guaranteed to drain even families that "did everything right." My Mom, may she rest in peace, really wanted to do the whole right to die thing and if it was up to her, instead of going into hospice, she would have called the caterers and her friends, had one last good bedside visit, and checked out. If she had lasted more than the 5 days she was in hospice, my brother and I would be in the hole for a lot more money than we are.
  11:50am
John Henry:

↳ Marie in Queens @11:47
Hi Marie!
Oh Marie! Is that your own voice?

black, in the context of your sentence, is spelled with a Capital B. To denote a shared culture/historical Experience in the New World
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

And mind you, hospice is pretty mandatory if the doctors determine that they can't treat you anymore, so you get kicked out of the hospital. Your options are die at home with zero affordable care because 24/7 qualified nurses cost a fortune, go into a State facility that is Hell on earth, or go into private residential hospice IF you can find one with open beds when you need one.
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Crownless Gander:

↳ Kevlicki @11:28
Thanks, Kevlicki! I'm in Canada, but emailing sounds like a good idea.
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Kevlicki:

morphe It’s somewhere in here:

interferencearchive.org...
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northguineahills:

now, i want to hear phil ochs' "joe hill".
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Julie:

the world is very depressing
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sydnius:

History doesn’t just echo, it *reverberates*
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hilaryprudy:

agreed Julie...
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ John Henry @11:50
Yes RE "black with a B." I have to dig it up, but during a court argument about potential reparations, some Rethug tried to argue that it shouldn't be tied to race and brought up the whole "White people were enslaved in the US also" and the whole indentured servitude canard. When pressed for more details, the asshole attorney sputtered.
  11:52am
John Henry:

Hi Julie!!!

Do not be fooled by Selection Bias!!

We are all on our way
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northguineahills:

↳ Marie in Queens @11:40
oh, they can afford to, but thay would cut into their *gasp* personal profits.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:50
With global warming, you can't even find an ice floe to hop on and drift out to sea.
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Julie:

on our way to what?
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northguineahills:

↳ Karl Ward @11:40
that's why it's a perfect example!
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ John Henry @11:50
And of course that strawman is pretty much set on fire when you press people to show you how many BLACKS were "indentured servants" versus chattell slaves. Hint: None that anyone can find. Indentured servitude was a contractual situation, although highly exploitative. Slavery was permanent.
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HyperDose:

↳ John Henry @11:46
Being forced to live under an oppressive regime that uses illegal surveillance methods to track behavior and categorize people into groups in an effort to quell any future dissidence that could threaten the authoritarian overlords
  11:53am
John Henry:

The Nature of Humankind is basically good and we need laws that reflect this!
  11:54am
John Henry:

↳ Julie @11:53
On our way, East.
  11:54am
morphe':

FYI - there is a collective Book/music info shop in Philly called Sabot - the word sabotage comes from the French strikers throwing their clogs(sabots) into the factory machines to stop them during industrial actions...
  11:54am
dave:

Thanks Trouble and Josh!!
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Julie:

can we stop using the word "Blacks" and refer to them as Black people please. We're not talking about the clothes in my closet.
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ HyperDose @11:53
Yup! Speaking of which they towed TWO weed trucks out by me -- Broadway and 30th -- and started to raid a few of the crappier, crasser fake CBD shops.
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Rich in Washington:

↳ Song: "general strike" by "D.O.A."
D.O.A.!!!
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Zinn The Mood:

↳ gauche knee @11:38
Ok, yeah. Will look into how to get an email chain going via profiles.

Try to get that together at some point today/tonight.

Thanks, folks!
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HyperDose:

↳ Julie @11:54
Not to mention blanket terms like that are inherently racist themselves
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Marie de Queens:

Hey, this is me logged in. I'm usually just too lazy to log in and often I forget my username and password. Plus, I'm usually on my work 'puter. But I will be sure to log in more so I can be sure to come to any kind of meetup! @)
  11:55am
John Henry:

↳ Julie @11:54
The way folks use language always reflects their world view
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northguineahills:

↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:50
at the shelter, we are given people off the street for hospice care (until the final 24 hours), which is ludicrous since there are no trained medical personnel there.
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Julie:

↳ John Henry @11:53
if we were basically good we wouldn't need laws. left to our own devices we are pretty shitty
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ Julie @11:54
Fair enough. Mostly used the term for fast typing of mental leakage...
  11:55am
John Henry:

↳ Julie @11:55
All people are born good!
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sydnius:

↳ Julie @11:55
pessimist misanthropes! Unite!
  11:56am
Chief Guy:

Right wingers love to hate on unions but can you even identity one union that discriminated against black/ brown people and kept them out of work?
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sydnius:

↳ John Henry @11:55
people *suck*
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

↳ northguineahills @11:55
That's horrible.
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TDK60:

↳ Song: "general strike" by "D.O.A."
Joey & DOA! They put on great shows then. / Gracias DJ T & Josh!
  11:56am
John Henry:

Born into innate goodness! This is clearly observed in young children!
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hilaryprudy:

humans are their own worst enemies...
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sydnius:

↳ John Henry @11:56
young children are awful.
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HyperDose:

↳ sydnius @11:56
Love the phrase "it starts at home"
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Roberto:

↳ Julie @11:55
Without regulations, the shittiest people always rise to the top. Which they're currently doing regardless.
  11:57am
John Henry:

↳ sydnius @11:56
How many do you know! I’m wondering

How large is yer sample/selection of children u draw that conclusion from?
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Neo-Canut:

This song is groovy!
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Trouble:

thanks for listening!!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thank you, Trouble & Josh. Very eye opening.
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sydnius:

↳ John Henry @11:57
sample size: 🌎
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Clincher16":

We are born neither good or evil. We are molded by our societies. We always need to hold society to account.
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Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

Thank you for the amazing show, and thank you WFMU peeps for the amazing dialogue as always!!
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HyperDose:

Thanks, Trouble. Great interview and lively conversation!
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Marie de Queens:

↳ John Henry @11:50
Ok, duly noted.
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Cmurtha:

↳ Chief Guy @11:56
A good portion of them during the first great Black Migration - In some ways it was a chink in the armor as we approached the Revanchism of the 70s onward.
  Swag For Life Member 11:59am
hilaryprudy:

thank you Trouble and Josh for a provacative show!
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Dances with Moomins:

YES thanks an amazing amount of information and inspiration!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Marie de Queens @11:55
I "friended" you, so I can ping you through your profile in order to get a message your way.
  11:59am
John Henry:

↳ Julie @11:55
Laws are suppose to create paths of least resistance to have organized society. We can always do better ; )

Improving everyday! Is the idea & peace & Love! Thank Uuu
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listener james from westwood:

Many thanks, Trouble and Josh and commenters!
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Julie:

thank you Trouble!!
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love2laf:

Thank you Trouble, Josh, and all you here providing me some hope of empathy existing in the world, if only here.
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Marie de Queens:

Oh, cool, thanks so much! @)
  12:00pm
John Henry:

↳ Clincher16" @11:58
Enghhh

All people are born into nature goodness! The nature of man is basically good!
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Kevlicki:

Great show trouble and Josh!
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Neo-Canut:

Merci beaucoup Trouble et Joe, on lâche rien !
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Handy Haversack:

Crap, it's noon? Thanks, Trouble!
  12:01pm
gauche knee:

Will do 3moons, thanks!
Hope I can join this meetup !
Fabulous show! Bravo Josh 👏🏾 🎉 Trouble!
  Swag For Life Member 12:01pm
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Marie de Queens @11:55
Excellent, M de Queens! Are you also local to Queens?

Now, I just gotta figure out how to get this together later when I can look into it…

Great to hear some folks would want to come in for this. Guessing, though, that many are from NYC.
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