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Favoriting January 20, 2020: Jonathan Fischer, Slate's tech editor, on "The Evil List"

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Tonight: Jonathan Fischer, technology editor, Slate.com

The Evil List (Jonathan Fischer, Slate.com, Jan 15, 2020): a ranking of the "30 most dangerous" tech companies in the world.

@jon_fischer - Jonathan Fischer on Twitter

Items for today:

• From Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, Aug 28, 1963: "When the architects of our Great Republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. . . . It is obvious that America has defaulted on this promissory note." - Dr. King

• Second sentence of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The Future of America's Contest with China (by Evan Osnos in the New Yorker, Jan 6, 2020):
Xu told me she is “pro-China,” and I asked what she meant. “Most people who are within the sphere of the West kind of reflexively look at China and see, ‘Oh, wow, totalitarian dictatorship, oppression, no human rights, suffering.’ Just evil, right? To be ‘pro-China’ is simply to realize that’s not right; there is much more going on. It’s not perfect, but it’s just simply an alternative system.” She went on, “I would say that the ideals of human rights are not bad to aim for, but it’s not a universal, God-given thing. It was something that was consensus-driven at a certain point in Western history. If you look at Chinese social progression, things are genuinely getting better for most people, despite the problems. It’s more of a battle of narratives about values.”

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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm

Hello Mark! Super-Techillains
John from Florham park:

Hello fellow technoids
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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Handy Haversack:

Tonic Time! Hi, everyone.
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Buffalo's Tom:

Hello, everyone!
Avatar 6:01pm

Hey, fellow Tek Chronics!

Hi all

Heya Mark and IT folks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm

Hello T-time!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi all!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends!

David in London:

Evening Techniks.
Avatar 6:12pm

Have you guys seen this? img.buzzfeed.com...*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm

You know, Dracula made much the same points about rights. So, good company.
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Webhamster Henry:

"Human rights - how quaint" - super vilain Dick Cheney
Avatar 6:16pm

Hello Mark and tekniks.
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The Count of Al Dente:

China is a different country, culture and has views of their own that go back thousands of years. It's not proper to compare them to us.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

This is what I'm always saying :
We need a Digital Bill of Rights.
Avatar 6:17pm

i have communicated with animal rights activists in China over the years -- they are totally driven and dedicated, but i have never forgotten what one woman expressed to me (approximately 12 years ago): human rights are basically non-existent, so getting people to care about "non-humans" is really difficult -- yet, they press on and keep fighting, for ALL beings' rights
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

... ~ Bill of Digital Rights...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm

scary piece about Scary: Clearview AI. very scary: www.nytimes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm

What an inspiration to hear such courage! Keep it going Techtonic !

@Rabbit I agree
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm

Is there a 12 Chan yet?

What about 13 Chan?
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Handy Haversack:

Good article in the Jacobin about SpaceX and Musk and Bezos and how they imaginatively paint continued worker exploitation into the space future while also perpetuating it in the here and now. Short version: Bezos loves but fundamentally doesn't understand _The Expanse_.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm

err, too.

Hi Mark - Enjoyed your discussion on US vs. China, but wondering how you favor US, but disparage US capitalism which is at least as important to our values as the Declaration of Independence. These companies, right or wrong, are doing what America encourages and rewards...whatever you can get away with. Quite the values system!

“These companies, right or wrong, are doing what America encourages and rewards...whatever you can get away with. Quite the values system!” Part of the problem we have nowadays is the system is massively broken. So talking about the American ideal is not a bad thing. Especially on a day such as today; aka: MLK Jr. day.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Handy Haversack:

"America" doesn't encourage capitalism. Capitalists exploit America and all other countries. Did *you* choose capitalism? Did I?

@HandyHaversack: The discussion of the American ideal versus the American reality is a long and ugly one. The reality is the American ideal is still noble. Sometimes it just feels exhausting and hopeless.

"Part of the problem we have nowadays is the system is massively broken." Is it really broken, or is it perfected? Other than a system like China, how will we possibly deal with global enviro destruction? Half our population believes they should have "freedom" to do whatever they please.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm

I had also mentioned earlier that Dracula had made much the same observations about rights as the woman quoted re: China, so good company.

New Dracula series on Netflix is awesomee!
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Handy Haversack:

I saw your comments and appreciated, @ultradamno!

@JeffBeckTapeLoop1: Well, I don’t disagree. But there is still more of a chance for freedom in the U.S. than elsewhere. Hope stinks at times.
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Webhamster Henry:

I want to hear the acceptance speeches!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm

Can't take that guy to a convent, on a boat, to a vacation to the UK. He's always causing trouble.

Fair enough, where is there a chance to make change, here rather than there.
Curly Ray:

eBay must still be safe?

Regulation = Government control = China
Curly Ray:

Craigslist too?

This would be listenable if you passed and thought for a second instead of saying y'know once or TWICE every sentence! Monsanto isn't even on there?????
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Cool Runnings:

Thank you mark
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks for this service, Mark. It is invaluable.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm

Thanks Mark!

Thanks Mark!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Boosting our Techtonic Social Credit scores.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone, thanks for the comments tonight. I did some pruning - as some of you noticed - due to uncivil comments cropping up. Disagreement is fine, but anything rude (name calling etc.) gets an immediate mute. Appreciate everyone tuning in tonight!
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