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Favoriting May 20, 2019: Daniel J. Clark, director of "Behind the Curve," on Flat Earthers

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This week: Daniel J. Clark, director, "Behind the Curve," a documentary about Flat Earthers.



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Listener comments!

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listener james from westwood:

If I saw correctly, there is a Flat Earther cruise coming up. Steer clear of the edge!
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ultradamno:

Hello Mark, Techerrtonariumites
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chresti:

Hello Techtonites
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
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geezerette:

L. James, there be monsters!
  6:02pm
melinda:

Hi Techtonicers! Watched the doc last night, ready for class.
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annie:

yay!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello to the Techtoflatulent!
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Webhamster Henry:

The world is definitely flat! <tm TV commercial of the past>
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geezerette:

Howdy, Mark and technophobes!
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annie:

i actually DID watch the movie.
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βrian:

We sailed over the edge twice this past week. (Crossed Lake Michigan twice.)
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geezerette:

...maybe their heads are flat.
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ultradamno:

With a dish cover and lights on a flimsy tone arm!
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Webhamster Henry:

Earth aM CUbe ShaPed!
-- Bizzarro
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Folsom:

this movie is messed up
  6:04pm
Dave Miss:

Going to need a techgin & tonic for this conversation.
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herb.nyc:

flat earth? holy bizarro world, batman!
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dale:

shortwave radio station i listen to in maine is gettin ahhuge influx of cash from a flat earth religious group.

swling.com...
  6:05pm
Claire from Montclair:

I did my homework!
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northguineahills:

A reference to Discworld? ;)
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ultradamno:

It's what happens when you spend too much time watching The Truman Show high.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, Mark & all!
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northguineahills:

I don't think anyone educated has thought the Earth was flat since before 4c BCE.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Folsom:

David Dayen had an interview with Google's chief economist, saying big tech isn't dominant, search is a tough business, data doesn't get more valuable with accumulation. David then asked if said the same thing to investors.
  6:07pm
Sam:

I can’t believe anybody actually thinks the earth is round. It’s 2019 and we’re still having this conversation. Take a bowling ball, people. Put a LEGO guy on top. Then move him to different parts of the ball. What happens? Oops he falls off. These round earth conspiracists must have never played with toys as kids.
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Fredericks:

Destroy Truth; Rule by Spectacle -- Putin's M.O..
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geezerette:

Webham, ha ha! Me love Bizzaro Superman.
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βrian:

NY'ker article, just in case it hasn't already been covered here:
Can “Indie” Social Media Save Us?

www.newyorker.com...
  6:08pm
melinda:

The film makes clear how it is an internet phenomenon.
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herb.nyc:

youtube videos are involved? one would think cats ruled the earth if we are guided by youtube.
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northguineahills:

lultz, herb!
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tim from champaign:

Techtonic and Music For Mind Control meet with this episode.
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ultradamno:

My favorite part of the movie is where a woman named Patricia is accused of being a federal plant on the basis of the last three letters of her name being CIA. Kind of says it all.
  6:09pm
Sam:

Herb, cats were considered sacred by the ancient Egyptians.
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herb.nyc:

(excuse me, webmaster Henry, I didn't see yr BIZARRO post when I first posted)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

Back in High school, we spent a week in introduction to physics working out the physics or earth, water, fire, and air (and occasionally aether, the quintessence). It works up to a point. You reach that point pretty fast, but you can do something with that theory!
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ultradamno:

As they (cats) should have been! Just ask them
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herb.nyc:

cats ride on a Roomba. then fall off the edge. dogs applaud.
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Folsom:

@tim maybe tomorrow Micah can play some flat earth music
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geezerette:

Cats are from space.
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Webhamster Henry:

@herb.nyc GrEAt MiNds tHinK SAme!
  6:11pm
John from Florham Park:

d@Dale WBCQ right
  6:12pm
Sam:

If the earth were really round, wouldn’t the space cats be batting it around like yarn?
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Folsom:

@geezerette Ken Berry and Sandy Duncan agree with you
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geezerette:

Mark is herding cats.
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herb.nyc:

growth at any cost! isn't that on the agenda of WFMU board of directors meeting? Andy breckman said this.
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geezerette:

Folsom! :D
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Webhamster Henry:

Cue the Ernie Kovacs Mr. Answer Man bit!
  6:13pm
Sam:

Cost at any growth!
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annie:

i thought the end bit covering the laser experiment was a teller! i would love to be a fly on the wall of the ship that heads to the edge
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ultradamno:

And Patricia (from my earlier post), a flat earther herself who has cast all manner of entirely uncooked aspersions on others, having been so accused has a moment of near self-awareness in which entertains and rejects the idea that she has done the same thing to others.
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Sean d:

There is probably a pancake planet out there somewhere....hopefully covered in syrup
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annie:

youtube is the modern day shortwave radio..
  6:16pm
melinda:

I liked Patricia’s cats. One of them looked just like my kitty Olive who passed in 2016.
  6:16pm
John from Florham Park:

@Annie I stay away from the conspiracy type vids on Facebook
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herb.nyc:

nicely said, mark - full court press by the tech companies against (yr) proper reasoning. yes, it is indeed heinous.
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ultradamno:

@Melinda They were the most endearing thing about her, for sure.
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herb.nyc:

oh Joe mcgasko, he's so naive (uh, me too).
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chris:

answering a question in that way shows how low on the totem pole one is. proper preparation for that appearance, by anyone in authority, would have an immediate answer to that question (albeit, it would be a bs answer anyway).
  6:19pm
John from Florham Park:

Wonder if we can blame this on trump with the anti vaxxers
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chris:

and, hi, Mark and folks.
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annie:

i want to know how deep is earth if it's flat.... @JfFPark: my friends list is full of "truthers", i like to think i can sift through who is full of hot air... i know many of them personally
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northguineahills:

Even better, an old HS fave of mine, the book, "Flatland".
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herb.nyc:

annie, the earth is as deep as your basement. no more, no less.
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annie:

hah!!!
  6:21pm
Sam:

But isn’t this the logical conclusion of the “free, open internet?”
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βrian:

Ooh, that's some cheesy audio editing.
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northguineahills:

"Information noise" is a good way to cast doubt on empiricism. Just look at my native country.
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ultradamno:

I also love when Mark and Patricia go to the NASA museum and she loudly announces THE EARTH IS FLAT and is so proud of herself. It's adorably ignorant.
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βrian:

I hear they don't have basements in Texas ...
  6:22pm
John from Florham Park:

@Annie I am not one of those truthers like Alex Jones
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dale:

john from fp - alan weiner, owner of wbcq used to be a man of science and logic but has gone total religious zealot in the last few years. he gives brother stair and his overcomer ministry tons of free air time.
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northguineahills:

what is this basement you speak of, herb (there are very few basements in FL, as you hit ground water w/in a few meters of the surface.
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herb.nyc:

gotta check out BEHIND THE CURVE. (not to be confused with ...THE GREEN DOOR movie)
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Webhamster Henry:

In short, the processes that order search results and friends' or sponsored content not only are interested in floating content that causes engagement, but they actually do choose among instances of that engaging content and can certainly suppress or promote posts and results based on content as well as the reaction to it.
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northguineahills:

βrian: Only where Pee-Wee's bike was stored....
  6:24pm
John from Florham Park:

@Dale you mean brother scare, and your right about Allen he has gone around the bend
  6:24pm
Sam:

I bet none of those folks at the conference actually believe it.
  6:24pm
John from Florham Park:

I mean Alan sorry
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ultradamno:

By the way, the price range for one of those domed flat earth models runs from $250 to 5K flatearthmodels.com
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listener james from westwood:

The flat earth cruise: www.theguardian.com...
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herb.nyc:

ahem, movie "arsenic and old lace" shows that basements exist. it is a FLAT BASEMENT EARTH. can we move on now?
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Sam:

No crazier than believing in heaven really
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ultradamno:

And he sells a FEPE clock (WHAT is this?) flatearthmodels.com...
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Folsom:

I was on airliners.net and the pilots were laughing about all the proof that the earth is flat, like no flights over the South pole from South America to Australia.
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herb.nyc:

charismatic? gregarious? hi mark hurst!
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βrian:

Where are the flat birthers?
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ultradamno:

The FEPE sticker from the movie I posted: twitter.com...
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annie:

oh, well... poor alex, he really has some issues..the sad thing is that there are valid questions with a myriad collection of wacky answers..."truthers" hate that description,btw..
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geezerette:

No wish to offend anyone but the ghost of Ayn Rand haunts Silicon Valley Industry. Greed is good, regulations are an infringement on the freedom of billionaires to exploit without responsibility for disastrous consequences.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Are they claiming that a flat earth is made of flat atoms?
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geezerette:

...It's the elephant in the room.
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herb.nyc:

patricia has a history in radio? does she have a face for radio?
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ultradamno:

When Mark Met Pat is the worst romcom in history.
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herb.nyc:

was Guided By Voices' "I am a scientist" a hit on this flat earth?
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annie:

i love that idea Ken FHP... it's so obtuse
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ultradamno:

@herb Well, the eyebrows for radio for sure.
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dale:

sooo, what is the purpose of a round earth conspiracy? how would you profit from such a radical theory?
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herb.nyc:

these 2 must have a really good webcam!
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Webhamster Henry:

A national movement based on a falsehood? WHO KNEW!
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Rich in Washington:

I think the internet and most recently social media has made it easy for the really stupid people to find one another.
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Sam:

How do they account for the fact that you can easily fly around the world and end up where you started? You don’t even have to be a scientist. Are all the airlines in on the coverup? And the travelers who have done it?
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dale:

a flat earth is full of flatworms/flukes
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for the good comments tonight.
@Rich, I agree!
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herb.nyc:

nasa, ha! cia implant, ha! facts, ha!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

(though I'd call them "misdirected," not stupid)
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Rich in Washington:

remember when we thought the World Wide Web was going to usher in a golden age of knowledge, community and empathy?
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βrian:

I don't know anything about the earth being flat, but I do know that electricity comes from other planets.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
ultradamno:

@dale That sort of gets raised, but I've never heard a compelled pretext, except that we're all living in an artificial environment and that would just blow our minds, or something.
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ultradamno:

Flat earth posts from around the globe: www.thethings.com...
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herb.nyc:

pres* trump: "some really good people have told me about the earth being flat...", as many in his staff nod.
  6:35pm
Sam:

The only thing scarier than flat-earthers is YouTube deciding which ideas are unacceptable.
  6:36pm
Amanda:

@dale, I totally agree. the curvature or non-curvature of the earth doesn't really affect my day to day life. so why is there a big coverup then? where is the profit there? at least reptilians and "new world order" seems to have some personal stakes.
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ultradamno:

This says FEPE stands for flat earth people everywhere, though I'd still like to know why they're using the alt-right frog www.acronymfinder.com...
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Webhamster Henry:

@Mark did you ask him about In Search Of... ?
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northguineahills:

True dat, Amanda!
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βrian:

Empirical data conspires against us!
  6:38pm
HuskLife:

What about a direct photo taken from a satellite in outer space of the round or
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Mark Hurst:

@WH No, missed that one
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Fredericks:

Who benefits from hiding the truth about the flatness of the Earth?
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βrian:

Theatre in the Flat will surely have it's own resurgence.
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Mark Hurst:

@Fredericks I don't think the conspiracy is fully thought-out... more like an easy answer to throw out there when needed
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Ken From Hyde Park:

They should have the vice-president of the Rand McNally globe division come talk at one of their gatherings.
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Webhamster Henry:

@Mark I didn't see it, but I think he tool the old Nimoy subjects and revisited them with Zachary Quinto. I don't know if it's some what more credible.
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ultradamno:

I like the guy who questions the Hubble photo because it must be the telescope taking a picture of itself like there aren't people doing maintenance from outside.
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annie:

i love it when a documentarian treats the subjects with compassion...
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HuskLife:

I’m pretty sure where we have wrinkles and grooves on our brains. Flat earthers have very smooth ones
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melinda:

I was struck by their sense of community too, it makes sense that people would be drawn to that.
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listener james from westwood:

There's always room in those patriot groups that clung to the Bundys like pilot fish.
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TDK60:

Hi, getting here late so should probably listen.
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ultradamno:

This isolation issue brings up the flat earth dating app, which I think should be discouraged.
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chresti:

I'm a mis-shapen earther
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Webhamster Henry:

Some of this goes back to innumeracy; lacking the basic tools to make sensible estimates and extrapolate from the data you trust.
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Fredericks:

I used to think "free your mind and your ass will follow" was good advice.

Maybe some minds get too free.
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Choggie:

!"The world, she's a round luka the apple!
"No, the world shes a flat,, likka the pancake!"
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Counterpoint: Where are the spherical Oreos?
  6:45pm
John from Florham Park:

This is a very interesting conversation
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annie:

my son made a doc about a man who knew how to read crop circles; one of them had directions on how to build a flying space ship...it was a sensitive portrayal ..
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ultradamno:

Oreo cookie balls: www.allrecipes.com...
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βrian:

Dipense with your mind, and your ass will be President.
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herb.nyc:

good one, there's no gravity. maybe it's wire, and velcro, that's keeping us tethered.
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Webhamster Henry:

Cue Stan Freberg's "It's a Round, Round World" and Weill/Gershwin's "Columbus".
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Jeff Moore:

Mark... I hate to be negative, but I sure wish you hadn't kept saying "round" (implying something two-dimensional but with a circular border, indeed just like the model held in your playlist picture) instead of "spherical".
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ultradamno:

They don't say Tyson's name. Like gravity, he doesn't exist.
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melinda:

I was really impressed by the scientists too. The film reinforced my belief that empathy is better than mockery and snark when communicating with people whose beliefs seem whack.
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Mark Hurst:

Jefffff
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geezerette:

That was a great interview!
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Folsom:

I'm surprised the flat earthers talked to Daniel Clark, his last name rhymes with Arthur Clarke
  6:50pm
jane:

NdeG mic drop demo of gravity was not snark.
It was wit. And a science lesson for general public. Learning is fun.
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Rich in Washington:

That WAS really good. I need to revisit that doc again. My wife and I started watching it in full on snark mode and then finally switched it off. Not really a date night movie.
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βrian:

DJ Pair-of-Ducks?
  6:52pm
JakeGould:

There should be some rom-com where a flat-Earther and scientist go on a journey to the edge of the world… And then fall in love… As the fall off the edge of the Earth.
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ultradamno:

As it's brought up in the movie, identity is all wrapped up in it, which renders contradictory facts irrelevant (or counterrevolutionary).
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Folsom:

that gyroscope cost around $20000
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TDK60:

(I am saving some snarkiness for other issues.)
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Rich in Washington:

I mean, I watched that entire Netflix Price is Right doc, so I should probably give Behind the Curve a proper viewing.
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βrian:

@JakeGould: Blockbuster, for sure!
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geezerette:

Rich, I do remember that hope for the web.
And also, slack! :)
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herb.nyc:

gyroscope, a spinning device that also makes for a great lunch from the food truck.
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Webhamster Henry:

Clay Pigeon was a sympathetic interviewer too. Look up his old Dusty Show!
  6:55pm
Nate in Wisconsin:

Sam and Mark:Regarding the scariness of You Tube deciding what is acceptable. Be clear the cencorship and removing algorithms that promote certain content is not the same thing.
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melinda:

@Henry indeed, that's one of his talents.
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herb.nyc:

ahem, try Clay Pigeon outtakes. that guy can curse like a sailor. (I hope clay isn't listening. he's probably sleeping)
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Webhamster Henry:

Clay is multi talented and contains multitudes.
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herb.nyc:

in math, irrational numbers are treated with utmost respect
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melinda:

@herb one of the treats for me of visiting FMU is hearing DJs curse
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Bic Lighter:

I'm thinking that traditional shaming is the only way. A long time Truther I knew recently recanted after years of being shunned.
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βrian:

I'm an oblate-spheroid-er.
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herb.nyc:

Joe mcgasko has been mentioned 4,5x - is he paying you, mark?
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Rich in Washington:

Thanks Mark!
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listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
  6:57pm
Nate in Wisconsin:

Agreed. Clay interviews great. https://oneoctoberfilm.com/
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Webhamster Henry:

Visit the WFMU streams for occasional uncensoredness!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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northguineahills:

happy thanks, mark and Daniel! The earth is obloid
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annie:

love this show mark!
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Webhamster Henry:

The Earth looks like comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko.
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Rich in Washington:

people aren't really shunned or shamed anymore. It seems like the more loathsome the belief, there's a community out there to be found on the web.
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geezerette:

what everyone said!
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Folsom:

@ βrian I'm more of a hyperbolic geometry-er. Triangles have less than 180 degrees!
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ultradamno:

But why is a stationary diorama easier to believe than a moving sphere?
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Ultima Thule is kind of flat.
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ultradamno:

@Rich Because it's defiant. You can't shame that.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

People unite over being shunned - like InCel & all of them...
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melinda:

People shame because it is more satisfying, not because it is necessarily more effective. If you want people to return to your point of view it makes sense to leave the door open rather than closed.
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melinda:

@Rabbit exactly
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...or FMUvians...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's gratifying, tho', that the 'Left' is finally getting - maybe - that's it's not about 'logic'...
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Webhamster Henry:

People need to be led through their own prejudices. That's hard to do.
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βrian:

@melinda: Smells like compassion. I'm with you on that.
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βrian:

Wait: is there such a thing as Tough Compassion ....?
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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