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Favoriting May 6, 2019: Roger McNamee, author, "Zucked: Waking Up to the Facebook Catastrophe"

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This week: Roger McNamee, author, "Zucked"

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Silicon Valley investor Roger McNamee was an early advisor to Mark Zuckerberg in the early days of Facebook. McNamee's new book "Zucked" tells the story of his disillusionment, then horror, as Facebook created a "catastrophe" for users, and democracies, around the world.

Links to Roger McNamee:

• Twitter: @Moonalice

Book site for 'Zucked'

I Mentored Mark Zuckerberg. I Loved Facebook. But I Can't Stay Silent About What's Happening - by Roger McNamee (Time magazine, Jan 17, 2019).

‘Mark Is an Authoritarian’: A Facebook Investor Sounds the Alarm About the Company He Helped Build - Roger interviewed in New York magazine, Feb 2019.

A former social media evangelist unfriends Facebook - review of Zucked by Evgeny Morozov in Washington Post, Feb 2019.

Other tech news:

Facebook Faces a Big Penalty, but Regulators Are Split Over How Big (NYT, May 4): "A fine far above $7 billion appeared to have strong agreement, according to one of the people. Staff members and commissioners also began talking about making Mr. Zuckerberg personally liable, meaning that he could be named as a defendant in a future case."

• "Well this has been a fun journey," posts Kevin Roose (Apr 30), referring to Zuck's 2010 pronouncement that "the age of privacy is over," followed by Zuck's announcement last Tuesday at F8 (on Apr 30) that "the future is private."

• As one Twitter user put it, "It's easy to say 'the future is private' after spending years hoovering up user data, defiantly defending the social graph, and creating moats through questionable (at best) behavior with that data. It's a luxury to lock things down once you have everyone inside." And as NYT's Mike Isaac put it, "it is so jarring to hear every product leader at facebook be so relentlessly on-message about Privacy Privacy Privacy after years of espousing the opposite in every public opportunity."

• But really all you need to know about F8 is what Pranav Dixit pointed out: "Nobody on stage at the Facebook event showed any remorse, looked sorry, or apologized for the company's terrible year. When Zuckerberg admitted that their record on privacy wasn't very good, he was giggling like a naughty school boy like it was *funny*."

• Below: ladies and gentleman, Silicon Valley leadership:


...see also Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley (NYT, May 2): "no community has embraced Mr. Dorsey as their guru more than the fasters, who spend days on end just not eating. Mr. Dorsey’s very public endorsements of this movement have led to criticism that he is endorsing eating disorders."

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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 5:54pm
herb.nyc:

Hi Tech-cinco-de-mayo-ites, to prep myself for the show, I just bought a cup of coffee, qt of milk, and watercress- and I left my iPhone 5c at home. Let's see you do that! Also, I've seen ads for "Zucked Up" in the subway. Far out!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:59pm
listener james from westwood:

Howdy, Mark and all!
Avatar 6:00pm
BigCat:

I am enjoying a lovely Gin and Techtonic !

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Daddy Hernlet:

Hello everyone! Get to listen on my drive home today!
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annie:

present!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ike:

I've heard some similar things about certain nonprofits in NYC!
  6:02pm
Coleusound:

Bella Tech and the Techtones
  6:02pm
Dave Miss:

And accounted for
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techstuplets!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
Avatar 6:03pm
Beast of Boonton:

Hello Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chris:

hey, Mark and folks. lets dump the zucker.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hayo! Anybody get dinged by the Mozilla certificate that expired over the weekend?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Webhamster Henry:

ZUCK YOU!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
melinda:

This will be good. Hi everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and Technots!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Webhamster Henry:

Have fun at the movie, Techtonic Film Fans!
Avatar 6:06pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

For later :
Harry Shearer interview with Yasha Levine on the surveillance state and the history of the internet :
harryshearer.com...
Much on the Origins - don't miss.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Webhamster Henry:

My Friend Theresa point out that the pooe don't have an expectation of privacy - and I think that having no expectation of privacy (and being exploited that way) help contribute to that social state.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
ultradamno:

Some kind of play on G8?
Avatar 6:09pm
Jeff Moore:

`The "F8" name comes from Facebook's tradition of 8 hour hackathons.'

-Wikiwiki
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry:

pooe -- "People" when you are a lazy typist.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
melinda:

@Henry pooe?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

pooe flute
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northguineahills:

hola, technocots! (or is that a fruit or theme park?).
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Webhamster Henry:

I've actually done "pooey flute" recordings - I should do one for the Techtonic Theme song.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
ultradamno:

Preparing for hilarity
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
listener james from westwood:

LOL @ CYE
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Jeff Moore:

So crickets.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
chresti:

I don't think he's capable of telling jokes
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
G:

Cue Yakity Sax
Avatar 6:15pm
geezerette:

Hello, Mark and all.
Watch Aldous Huxley being interviewed by Mike Wallace in 1957.Twenty-eight minutes of clarity and vision from sixty years ago. On Youtube. Which is ironic.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry:

Audio Emojis.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
ultradamno:

I have to assume there were more than a few Jeb Bush "please laugh" versions.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...BennyHill slapping his head even...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Nice WebHenry.
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geezerette:

(snort!)
  6:16pm
Sam:

You need Andy Breckman doing his fake laugh. Then saying “What did you say Zuck, I wasn’t paying attention.”
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Also acceptable would be Monty Python's giant foot and its accompanying "phhht" noise mashing the stage.
Avatar 🤖 6:17pm
herb.nyc:

Oh, I'm now laughing at zucked's joke. It's very subtle.
  6:18pm
Sam:

The joke was almost like a “let them eat cake” comment. Zuck is so arrogant and out of touch, he has no idea how serious this is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining this evening! Jeff Moore, thx for the explanation of the F8 name.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Mark Hurst:

@RevRabbit - saw the Yasha Levine interview, haven't listened to it, but glad he got some extra exposure. Here's Yasha on Techtonic last October: www.wfmu.org...
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RomanDogBird:

zuck sucks!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Well, at least Zuck's wife sleeps soundly at night in that wacky sleep box.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Mark Hurst:

Facebook’s Zuckerberg Builds His Wife a Glowing ‘Sleep Box’ - www.bloomberg.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Mark Hurst:

Apparently it's not a box for her to sleep in but rather a glowing box for her to put her smartphone in. Because there's no way to set an alarm except through a smartphone (in a glowing box).
Avatar 6:23pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Thx Mark !
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
ultradamno:

Wait, Bloomberg, not The Onion?
Avatar 6:24pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

www.theinquirer.net...
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TDK60:

Sorry I'm late, Mark. My dog ate my homework...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi TDK60!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
ultradamno:

An escape chute isn't too far-fetched, I always assume he had a Mr. Burns-style trap door in front of his desk.
Avatar 6:26pm
Linda Lee:

the phrase 'meet the beast' came up on Clay's accu this morning ~ & here it is again! hi Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Linda!
@ultradamno - I guess it all depends where the chute is positioned...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
melinda:

Mark I like that room in your twitter photo
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Mark Hurst:

@melinda, thx, it's cozy
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Linda Lee:

fb definitely feels tailored for me by someone who doesn't know me from adam. it's very odd.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Mark Hurst:

@geezerette, good pointer, hadn't seen that Huxley interview.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
chris:

this point is *exactly* why i left facebook. its just a feeding trough of crap i can't control. even w/o the privacy concerns and immoral behavior of the people in charge, this made me want to leave.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

Keep you logged in and 'engaged' online was also the basic philosophy of AOL. The fact that you are not on AOL right now should give you hope.
Avatar 6:31pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I wrote poem:

Oh facebook MEMES
most intimate of BumperStickers
most rantingly earnest
& profoundly inspiring (!)
of supermarket flyers
clogging the mailbox
of my electronic
attentionspan
Avatar 6:31pm
Linda Lee:

it really feels more like a toxic cesspool all the time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Mark Hurst:

Sign up for this Friday movie night - we'll be watching "The Truth About Killer Robots" at Monty Hall: www.ticketfly.com...
  6:31pm
dez:

celebrity flat was there drove me away and Mark's thorough explanation how to kill my page was my roadmap!
  6:32pm
dez:

*celebrity flat-earthers*
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Mark Hurst:

@dez have you watched "Behind the Curve" on Netflix? great documentary about flat-earthers...
Avatar 6:33pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Aren't they revising & remarketing fb right now ?? A 'new version' supposedly gives you more agency...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
melinda:

I have reduced my Facebook usage dramatically and feel better. It was making me really annoyed with people.
Avatar 6:34pm
Carmichael:

This is beginning to sound like an episode of Joe Frank.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Mark Hurst:

Oh sure, a new and "improved" interface, and of course, "the future is private"... count me skeptical
Avatar 6:34pm
Linda Lee:

*why* won't people i want to hear from contact me in other ways? **why***??????
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
melinda:

@Carm yeah, haha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Mark Hurst:

@Linda let's bring back email - non commercial, publicly owned, open protocol, and if you don't use Gmail, it's usually out of reach of Big Tech.
Avatar 6:35pm
Carmichael:

@melinda, you can choose your friends, but you can't choose your ... uhhh ... "friends".
Avatar 6:36pm
Linda Lee:

i've tried, Mark! they refuse! the stubbornness is impossible.
Avatar 6:37pm
BigCat:

Mark, "___?_ Duresta" social media maven
first name
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's happened too fast.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
melinda:

@carm the facebook format encourages people to be annoying, even if they aren't in real life. I felt it was giving me a skewed version of people I know.
Avatar 6:37pm
Linda Lee:

there are people i've known all my life & i need to chase them through that freakin' turd pile!
Avatar 6:38pm
BigCat:

The Age of PIRACY is Here"
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TDK60:

..non-commercial email sounds good.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
melinda:

@Linda that sucks. "Turd pile" is funny though.
  6:39pm
carrots:

yeah Peter!!
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Linda Lee:

i think you're right about annoyance, melinda!
  6:39pm
John from Florham Park:

This is scaring the hell out of me
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Look how much better WFMU has been @ Community - w/ barely funds to stay above water. & fb is the biggest thing ever...seriously makes no sense.
Was just thinking fb used to let you out your fave books & films on the side...killed that...
Avatar 6:40pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

*Put
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Mark Hurst I was in a store that was selling a 56K modem really cheap!
FIDONet Revolution!
Avatar 6:41pm
Linda Lee:

don't be scared, John. as of now involvement in social media is still totally voluntary.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Mark Hurst:

@BigCat - Renee DiResta
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Mark Hurst:

@John wait 'til you hear this part...
  6:42pm
John from Florham Park:

RRN63 I have found nicer people on here where I can have great conversation with unlike Facebook
Avatar 6:42pm
Linda Lee:

why do i see you rubbing your palms together, Mark? :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
chresti:

He is planning escape, I could tell by his nervous laugh
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
G:

I knew a guy in Silicon Valley on an email list about a professional topic of mine in the mid and late 90s. He used to rant about "big data is coming, they will know more about you than you do about yourself, and will use it to manipulate you and benefit themselves." He was totally right.
  6:43pm
John from Florham Park:

@Linda lee for how long
@Mark I am sitting in a driveway just listening to this
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

@G - he was spot on. MANIPULATION is the name of the game. Surveillance is just a tool to get to manipulation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

@John glad to hear it!
Avatar 6:45pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

That Levine interview: the web began w/ the Military & Surveillance. Computers process Information - it's what they do.
Avatar 6:46pm
Linda Lee:

as long as we're in body, social media will be voluntary. we can get what we need to survive outside it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Mark Hurst:

RR63: listen to the Techtonic interview - I delved into that point. Surveillance from Vietnam, to (U.S.) civil rights leaders.
  6:46pm
John from Florham Park:

Mind you guys I am not a tinfoil type of person
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geezerette:

www.youtube.com...
Huxley. Relevant. 28 min.
Avatar 6:47pm
TDK60:

"They know everything about you" from Hüsker Dü's tune, "Data Control" -1982.
Avatar 6:47pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Facial recognition made me sit up & take notice...
  6:47pm
John from Florham Park:

@Linda your right about that
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

Tinfoil is for imagined conspiracies. This is real, documented history. And it's continuing to unfold.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

@geezerette thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Webhamster Henry:

Yeah! Pokemon! Gamifiying surveillance!
  6:48pm
John from Florham Park:

@Mark that is the scary part
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geezerette:

@Mark@6:44: precisely.
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northguineahills:

Most isn't "Satellite View" unless you zoom out to about 70,000 ft alt (except areas, where there isn't more detail). Anything zoomed in closer is by air flights.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
melinda:

@Rabbit me too. Today I bought plane tickets and was happy to have found a decent flight with Delta, since I've had bad experiences with the other airlines, then started reading on their site about how they are proudly leading the way with facial recognition check-in and boarding! It's optional at this point but ugh.
Avatar 6:50pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Never been adjudicated.
I think of what it took to get the Tobacco Industry to tell the truth...
Avatar 6:50pm
geezerette:

RevRab, yes, DARPA project.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
chresti:

They lure you in after suggesting how helpful and nice they are
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

On the subject of Google, I heard something recently that they give you the option of forgetting your old data. I'll believe it when I see it.
  6:52pm
John from Florham Park:

@KHFP I use duck duck go
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Linda Lee:

ooooh cool! pro growth!
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geezerette:

In effect, social engineering and we're pretty well in by now.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

A Roosevelt. We need one.
Teddy had to go 'Independent' tho' to fight the barons. A financially comparable thing to now.
Avatar 6:53pm
Number Six:

Any objection to my sharing your web address ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
chresti:

Workers at FB revolt! (nicely)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
G:

I probably have an older FB account than almost anyone, back from edu-only days, late 2004. But I used a fake name and only ever use it to look at things friends ask me to look at occasionally. Why would I volunteer to bring all my current and former colleagues, friends, family, personal life, etc. into one place where they can all see and contact each other? That's nuts. I'd already been googlestalked (back in the mid 90s, altavista-stalked, I guess) by the guy who invented the term weblog (later, blog). No way was I doing that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
melinda:

@Linda right. We need equilibrium, not more growth.
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TDK60:

LL, I detect a smirk.. [?]
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Linda Lee:

well goodness, we've been involved in massive social engineering efforts since industrialization.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

@JfFP - With Android phones, there is lots of other data that Google collects, including location.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

FIRST THING fb does is pressure you to use your real name - & detail your entire life history.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
chresti:

Rod Sterling sounding
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Linda Lee:

'free will' after Bernays? 'democracy after HAVA? not really ~ but how bad does it have to get?
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annie:

i so totally appreciate this show..it reinforces my reticence to share so widely on the internet.anddon't getme started on ancestry.com or 23youandme
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

@RRN63 - X.Ray Burns mentioned that on the air once. He had to switch to his real name.
  6:56pm
John from Florham Park:

Ken I use have an iPhone and iPad
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geezerette:

Mark, Roger, pals, thanks for another extraordinary show.
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Linda Lee:

i do have a facebook friend named June E. Purr. she's a tabby. she's yet to detail her rather short personal history.
  6:57pm
John from Florham Park:

RRN63 there are a lot of things Facebook does not know about me
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Webhamster Henry:

Kurt Gottschalk at one point was banned on FB from using his own real name!
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annie:

i manage a group on FB with MANY fake names as members
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Linda Lee:

they don't want real names. they want real looking names.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

All messages - posts, messages, news .... - should look like this:
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northguineahills:

Thanks Roger and Mark!
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chris:

thanks, Mark!
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geezerette:

Candy covered STASI.
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TDK60:

merci. thanks.
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Webhamster Henry:

FB wants names that can link (probably) to non-Facebook services.
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melinda:

Great show Mark, thanks!
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Linda Lee:

oh heavens. these venture capitalists think they can do anything.
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chris:

Moonalice plays around here pretty regularly.
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Webhamster Henry:

Nice and in depth tonight!
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melinda:

Roger is also part of the Doobie Decimal System.
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Linda Lee:

blow your nose next time, man!
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chresti:

The numbers, that's all they care about
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Linda Lee:

stop giving coke to your bassist!
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chresti:

Thet'll all jump ship when they see it's a loosing proposition
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chresti:

*They'll
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Linda Lee:

it sure is! now let's see who loses first.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Good luck at the movie night!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  7:21pm
Montana Slim:

Cellphone digital compression and a Joe Frank type voice don't mix well... it's hard to figure out what this guy is saying half the time.
  7:37pm
Montana Slim:

2nd part sounds a little better...
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JakeGould:

Hey Mark! Commenting late because I just heard about the film “Dillinger is Dead” (1969) and this bit of dialogue attributed to Herbert Marcuse’s 1964 book “One-Dimensional Man” and thought it would be right up you alley:

“One’s needs for physical survival are met by industrial production, which, in addition, sets forth as equally necessary the need to relax, to enjoy oneself… to behave and consume according to advertising models that render in explicit detail desires anyone may experience. Film, radio, television, the press, advertising, and all other facets of industrial production are no longer directed at different goals. Under these conditions of uniformity, the old sense of alienation is no longer possible. When individuals identify with a life-style imposed from without and through it experience gratification and satisfaction, their alienation is subsumed by their own alienated existence.”

Only small tweaks are needed to apply that to the digital age.
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