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Favoriting June 4, 2018: Andrew Keen, author, "How to Fix the Future"

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This week: Andrew Keen, author of the new book "How to Fix the Future."

Pointers to Andrew's work:

@ajkeen on Twitter

Andrew's site

How to Fix the Future on Indiebound

• Read more on Sir Thomas More (Utopia, A Man for All Seasons) and Gordon Moore of Moore's Law.

Recent tech news:

Facebook Gave Device Makers Deep Access to Data on Users and Friends (New York Times, June 3): "The company formed data-sharing partnerships with Apple, Samsung and dozens of other device makers, raising new concerns about its privacy protections." (Zeynep Tufekci writes: "So if a Facebook friend of yours had the Facebook app on *their* phone, Facebook shared *YOUR* private data with device-makers, even if you had somehow managed to turn off third-party sharing.")

Thread from former Facebooker Sandy Parakilas, saying Facebook broke a promise: "This is a really big deal because in 2011 Facebook signed a Consent Decree saying they would stop doing deceptive things like this (ie, no unauthorized passing of friend data). Then they told the world they were shutting down friend permissions completely starting in 2014." (See also the April 30 playlist - scroll down for comments on the consent decree: $40k per violation is $3.4 trillion.)

Good news on privacy from Apple: WaPo's Geoff Fowler reports that "the Safari browser on the Mac and iOS 12 will block Like buttons and other social sharing tools that track you." On the other hand, Charlie Warzel writes, "30 minutes ago Apple was talking about having a healthier relationship to our devices. Now, they have a woman riding a spin bike in front of us and frantically scrolling thru productivity apps and multitasking on her watch."

• Reminder: if you want to limit how much time you spend on soul-draining addiction apps, DELETE THEM FROM YOUR PHONE. Start with deletefacebook.com. Get off Facebook and Instagram. Take off all social media, including Twitter, from your phone. And start weaning yourself off of all Google services (Gmail, Google search, Google Calendar, etc.).

• The future of society is at stake. Protesters in San Francisco dumped a huge pile of scooters in the street and blocked 11 tech buses (Business Insider, May 31). Image below from the story.



• Or do we really want the SF/Silicon Valley model? "Scenes from an idyllic SF childhood: Teaching our two-year-old not to pick up street needles, by showing her some on the way to her exorbitant daycare, along with stern admonitions. They're all over playgrounds, so this is imperative." (source)

Finally...

Our closing song tonight is Future Life by Derek Clegg, freely available thanks to WFMU's Free Music Archive.

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  How to fix the future: Andrew Keen speaks about possible solutions to our society-wide problems caused by Big Tech surveillance capitalists. His new book, "How to Fix the Future," draws on positive examples from Estonia, Singapore, and other initiatives worldwide.
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Listener comments!

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Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark, Bas, and all!
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Webhamster Henry:

Techtonic & Lime, bartender!
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TDK60:

Hello
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Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, gang!
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ultradamno:

So toaday's project is fixing the future. An hour seems right.
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TDK60:

Right off, the title makes me wary but I'll hold my typing fingers...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
brycepunk1:

Glad I discovered this show. Really been enjoying it.
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Smokestack:

Really glad to have you on the new schedule, Mark
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chris:

hi, Mark and folks. "read more on More and Moore..." worth repeating. :)
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geezerette:

Howdy, Mark and Techtons!
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northguineahills:

I'm still busy fixing the past, it'll be a while before I get to the future.
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thedunkel:

Hello! Please fix the future!
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Roland Munyard:

So good to have a station like this to tune into - listening in from Australia
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northguineahills:

(the bronze age is really tricky)
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Jeff Moore:

Hey! Way to gloat, man!
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Greg from ZONE 5:

YESSSSSSSSSS
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Buffalo's Tom:

Hi, everyone!
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Smokestack:

I'll fix the future tomorrow
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thedunkel:

Greg "THE MASTER" from Zone 5
  6:08pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

What thedunkel said.
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geezerette:

YAY, Greg!!!
  6:08pm
Warren in Australia:

Present
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Webhamster Henry:

@Roland How's tomorrow doing?
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geezerette:

Future, tense...
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Webhamster Henry:

My phone's Siri is set to a female Australian.
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Fuzzy:

Tomorrow Never Knows...turn off your phone, relax and float downstream...
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TheJBE:

I'm not optimistic, Mark, that tech will be integrated to benefit most people. Techno-utopians continue to over-promise and under-deliver on everything. Self-driving cars are just one of many (you mentioned AI) tech advances that will offer up a dystopian world.

I remember coming across Neil Postman's books back in the late-1980s. Nothing that's come along since has disavowed me of my cynicism that technology will make our lives any better.

Look forward to hearing Keen, this evening.
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ultradamno:

Yeah, "sharing" is an insidious word when it's other people's stuff
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geezerette:

Nice,fuzzy! :)
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northguineahills:

The only thing I ever like are my friends' bands/art projects/small businesses.
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Webhamster Henry:

The WFMU Playlist Chat board is here to suck up your time safely!
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TheJBE:

What? Big Tech is not my friend? Who knew?
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herb.nyc:

$3.4trillion fine for FB? Maybe? Let's start a gofundTimCook acct. -- it was me in the Apple Store being forced to hear the wwdc. And it was in w'burg, not Manhattan. (I was posing as a hipster today.) I also told an Apple guy of this show, something I often do when at the store.
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Mr. Record:

All fine and good but some folks are social media managers for small businesses etc. If there could be a way to one-tap these apps live for a minute or three without having to re-install and provide login again, great!
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TheJBE:

The G&T should become the official Techtonic cocktail.
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northguineahills:

*runs to the store for some gin, tonic, and more limes!*
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herb.nyc:

His 4th book? Is he gonna keep writing until he gets it right? (Bad joke, sorry)
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ultradamno:

I notice there's a hole in the back of the head of the sitting doll on the playlist, did he know too much?
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geezerette:

Alexa, mix me a drink.
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melinda:

hi all
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chresti:

the needles were in sf before the googles showed up
Hi everybody!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, Mark and Techtonicians.
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chresti:

off to work I GO...
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TheJBE:

I appreciate an author who is willing to admit that he hasn't re-invented the wheel and that he isn't offering up anything new. On that admission alone, I'll read Keen's book.

I also think programs like this one, are important. I tend to imbibe the music programming here on 'FMU, but I'm going to go back through the archives, beginning with last week's AI program. Thanks, Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone! Thanks for listening in & commenting tonight. I'll try to respond to some of your comments on-air after the interview.
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northguineahills:

I'm leaving work, thanks Mark and Andrew, enjoy the evening!.
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Mark Hurst:

A system built on "accountability, openness, transparency, and trust" - how well are we doing with our current system?
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, @ngh, have a good evening!
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Michael 98145:

[ how did you get Alan Rickman in the studio ?! :) ]
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Bas NL:

We had a recent case where a celebrity in our country had visited a hospital. They later found no less then 100 people from the hospital had a look at the medical records of this person. The hospital took action, but it shows how public privacy has become..
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Tommy in Neversink:

Yes, the left is intolerant of many ideas....like destroying the planet or spending 20 billion on a useless wall....
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Michael 98145:

it all comes down to making wealth out of our information, doesn't it?
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chris:

Bas, healthcare information is heavily regulated in the US. those 100 folks would be summarily fired at the place i work. in addition, the company could face fines for that breach of privacy.
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Webhamster Henry:

Well, cars aren't deathtraps for people IN the cars...
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herb.nyc:

Nice word choice AKeen makes - "Apple, I use their equipment...". Equipment? Tim Cook just gasped.
  6:44pm
Payton in Warwick:

I had to pull over to say this is the best techtonic episode I’ve heard. So interesting. Loved the interview.
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Tommy in Neversink:

But I generally agree with Mr. Keen
  6:45pm
JakeGould:

When will men learn to stop being jerks to each other?
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Bas NL:

@chris I think our government is now slightly more aware of such transgressions. But you know how slow things in government can work..
  6:45pm
Warren in Australia:

@herb.nyc thinking the same thing!
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JakeGould:

History is just a record of men being jerks to each other.
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Michael 98145:

@JG, with women usually getting caught in between
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Payton in Warwick:

How is it not surveillance if we pay for it? I don’t understand that bit. Is it because we can stop paying and vote with our dollars with companies that do hints we don’t like? Hitting the road again. Thanks for a great show!
  6:48pm
JakeGould:

FWIW, when the Internet bubble first burst in the early 2000s, that’s when being a tech guy morphed into being a “dude bro d-bag.”
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JakeGould:

@Michael98145: Ooo… That’s a hot take!
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melinda:

I think I read Amusing Ourselves to Death in the early 90s, still so relevant.
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Roland Munyard:

"Human Beings with Agency" - Everyone can do something. - I like that quote.

I was in the UK recently and it's hard to describe how many CC TV Camera's I observed on the Highways and byways and at intersections and thoroughfares - the most frightening aspect was that everyone else did not seem in the least concerned about it.

Very pleased about the Apple and Safari Browser update.
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Webhamster Henry:

There was a little meme going around on Facebook where young people were asked to name a book and they couldn't.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Bas NL:

I once talked my mother through new big tech developments and she said: Who needs that! I reminded here she had savings in a high tech fund and so she should be able to tell me...
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geezerette:

We are living in Big Brave New World.
  6:53pm
Patty D:

I used to do "social media manager" type work. I hated it so I got another job. I know that's not exactly a feasible solution for everyone but the option is there if you want it.
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JakeGould:

@WebhamsterHenry: I find those “As a [Group]” viral things to be 100% fake.
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Smokestack:

Brave New Idiocracy
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Mister Dobalina:

Idiocracy!
  6:53pm
Tim in VT:

Not surprising that a slave morality dominates social media
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Webhamster Henry:

@JakeGould It's OK that they are fake - they are fables that tell a tale for people to nod their heads to.
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JakeGould:

@WebhamsterHenry: That’s why I am wary of most all viral items nowadays. I can almost see 90% of that stuff out there being created by some entity that is doing it on purpose for click-bait.
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geezerette:

Thanks again,Mark!
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Bas NL:

Ohh.. ha, ha, this week colleagues at work started emailing me screenshots of Whatsapp discussions for my attention!
  6:56pm
rando smith:

hey maek look into this? https://diasporafoundation.org
  6:57pm
JakeGould:

TAX THE RICH! MORE WOMEN IN POWER! THAT WILL FIX THINGS!!!
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ultradamno:

Looking forward to a technocratic summer, congrats on the renewal.
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Michael 98145:

thanks again, Mark H
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Fredericks:

Can't? They already do.
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chris:

let's try that, Jake!

thanks, Mark!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
  6:58pm
tp:

respect
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Fuzzy:

Thanks Mark --- see ya next week!
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Webhamster Henry:

Stay well - and off Facebook!
  6:59pm
tp:

thank you Mark
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Have a great week. And delete your Facebook account.
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Fredericks:

Hey WB Henry watch this: www.youtube.com...
  8:06pm
Purple4eva:

My son called me up from Phoenix Arizona about your show Mark. Thanks for having Andrew Keen on your show. He's a voice of reason amidst those who are obsessed with technology as the solution to all our earthly problems. For years technology, the media, and even the government have been pushing their artificial intelligence agendas as the Second Coming. And, that we humans have NO choice but to accept technology no matter what. Well, the push back is just beginning as more and more people wake up and educate themselves about not just the positive consequences; but, also the very real negative consequences. We BC (before computers) people know what life was like before the Internet, social media platforms of narcissistic performances and social media mobs fanning the flames of intolerance and hatred. Life wasn't perfect; but, at least we knew how to have a human conversation and/or dialogue. And, we sure as hell wanted to be drivers of our own destiny. It seems we have things ass backwards these days...it's humans first, not gadgets, robots, and algorithms...Humans matter, tech's only a tool. Robotics, automation, and singularity is not a given; it's a choice. Each one of us as Andrew Keen stated needs to be involved if we care about the existence, well-being, and purpose of the human race.
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