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loke rahbek & frederik valentin  a woman without   Options buy corals online  editions mego  Vinyl    *   0:00:00 (Pop‑up)
tough solar  transcripts   Options a/b  sweet pea  Vinyl    *   0:05:33 (Pop‑up)
UB40  i think it's going to rain today   Options signing off  graduate records        0:12:51 (Pop‑up)
makaya McCraven  above & beyond   Options highly rare  International Anthem  Vinyl    *   0:16:02 (Pop‑up)
bob marley  Rebel Music ( 3 o' Clock Road Block)   Options 'natty dread'  tuff gong        0:20:01 (Pop‑up)
bob marley & the wailers  kaya (version)   Options african herbsman  trojan        0:25:59 (Pop‑up)
alcione  sufoco   Options o samba  luaka bop        0:36:28 (Pop‑up)
bob marley and the wailers  love light ( version ) dreamland (version   Options jungle dub  D.A.D International licensing Ltd         0:40:33 (Pop‑up)
hal  will the world allow it   Options Starry Nights in Western Sahara  rounder        0:46:32 (Pop‑up)
olivia wyatt/mursi tribe  mursi song   Options staring into the sun  sublime frequencies        0:49:11 (Pop‑up)

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author david goodwin 

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talking about his book is "Left bank of the Hudson" Jersey City and the artists of 111 1st street 


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os brazoes  modulo lunar   Options os brazoes  mr bongo        1:41:40 (Pop‑up)
o terco  Longe Sem Direcao   Options o terco  forma        1:48:32 (Pop‑up)
marcio greyck  beija-me-agora   Options marcio greyck  polydor        1:48:56 (Pop‑up)
piri  porta do sol   Options voces querem mate?  quartem        1:51:21 (Pop‑up)
karma  cara & coroa   Options karma  rca        1:52:12 (Pop‑up)
hollie cook  angel fire   Options vessel of love  merge      *   2:02:23 (Pop‑up)
hanny  ibarrena   Options learn-play bongos v/a with Mr. bongo v/a  mr bongo        2:06:12 (Pop‑up)
bobby valentin  funky big feet   Options Long Live Boogaloo: 22 Rare Latin Boogaloos from Spanish Harlem '63-'72  secret stash records        2:11:30 (Pop‑up)
Bomba Estéreo  bailar conmingo   Options elegencia tropical  soundway records        2:14:19 (Pop‑up)
djavan  serrado   Options gilles peterson in brazil v/a  ether records        2:17:10 (Pop‑up)
las deblas  zorongo   Options Naino! spanish gipsy soul funk disco 1974-1984  ada      *   2:21:04 (Pop‑up)
spanglish fly  chain of fools   Options ay que boogaloo!  chaco      *   2:23:49 (Pop‑up)
fabio  Lindo sonho delirante   Options Brazilian Guitar Fuzz Bananas: Tropicalia Psychedelic Masterpieces 1967-1976  tropicalia in furs records        2:28:08 (Pop‑up)
juana molina  in the lassa   Options halo  crammed discs        2:29:59 (Pop‑up)
DJ Dolores  ciranda da masdrugada   Options Aparelhagem  ziriguibom        2:34:18 (Pop‑up)
hugo filho  Quem Me Viu Por Al?   Options paraibo  HP        2:39:26 (Pop‑up)
carmern miranda  absolutamente   Options The Extraordinary Girl  el        2:45:51 (Pop‑up)
os mutantes  Fuga No. II   Options Mutantes  m 80 music        2:48:10 (Pop‑up)
telebossa  eu sonhei que tu estavas tao linda   Options telebossa  staubgold        2:51:46 (Pop‑up)

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:42pm Trouble:

good morning! The artwork gracing our page today is by Brian Chippendale. He also wrote this article which will be included in the discussion at 10:00 with author david goodwin: thecreativeindependent.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:01am Dave in Vermont:

yay, Trouble!
I haven't been here live in a while.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:03am Trouble:

hola dave!
Avatar 👻 9:05am TDK60:

Morning Trouble. Still catching my breath after that previous show.
  9:06am CHAD PEARSON:

Beautiful piece of artwork in the page today!
Avatar 9:06am Sem:

Good morning, Trouble, Dave in Vermont, TDK60.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:06am Dave in Vermont:

hi, Sem
Avatar 9:08am Linda Lee:

wow .. amazing artwork
Avatar 9:08am Linda Lee:

good morning!
Avatar 9:10am northguineahills:

cool, Brian Chippendale from Lightning Bolt!
Avatar 👻 9:10am TDK60:

A semi dub feel?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:11am melinda:

hi friends
Avatar 👻 9:13am TDK60:

Early UB40!
  9:13am Peter in Sea:

G'morning Trouble, g'morning troubled listener friends, it's still dark n raining on the west coast....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:13am Dave in Vermont:

y,know, I discovered The Creative Independent because Blast of Hot Air pointed me to it when Faye did their spiral gif logo. I haven't read it in a while but for several months I was reading it everyday. Another way FMU has made my life better.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:15am MD:

Good Morning Faithful!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:15am sphere:

hello hello
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:16am MD:

UB40? It's a long time since I be 40! he he he!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:20am sphere:

the McCraven track reminds me of DC's go-go grooves.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:21am Trouble:

bob marley was born feb 6 1945
Avatar 👻 9:21am TDK60:

This album was my intro. to reggae!
  9:22am Lucky:

Brian Chippendale's article is really pretty amazing.
Avatar 9:24am Linda Lee:

Happy Birthday Robert Nesta Marley Feb 9. Rest in power.
Avatar 9:25am Linda Lee:

whoa posting too soon after waking!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:25am Dave in Vermont:

N.E.S.T.A. by Antibalas is my alarm.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:26am adampsyche:

ok waking up to the tail end of clay's show and now this i think i'll work from home for quite a bit, lovely set trouble.
  9:27am exile-on-hicks-street:

Good morning, @Trouble!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:30am Planet Tyler:

Good morning Trouble and birds!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:32am listener james from westwood:

College dinguses overplaying Marley in particular put me off of reggae for way too long. One of these guys, however, actually played Eek-a-Mouse now and again, which exposure served me well years later when I encountered Reggae Schoolroom for the first time.
Avatar 👻 9:32am TDK60:

Frat boy culture did the same with The Doors in the '80s. // My town's reggae scene was fun -- a mix of hippies and punx.
  9:36am queems:

isn’t that the struggle. sigh
Avatar 9:36am northguineahills:

Bob's cancer started from an injury on his toe he received on an impromptu pickup football/soccer match in Central Park during a NYC stop on a tour.
Avatar 9:37am Fernando P.:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:38am listener james from westwood:

That my college (Boston College) actually had a fairly decent radio station was a huge relief when the dorm hallways were reverberating with amped replays of the Doors and the same five Grateful Dead tunes on repeat. That and WFNX were how I rolled, with the odd Columbia House binge.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:38am Brian C.:

IMO, there's a big difference in overplaying both Doors and Wailers. Doors, um, how to put it. Suck?
Avatar 9:41am Fernando P.:

I know that may be considered inappropriate by nowadays standards, but marrom is how Alcione is known in Brazil.
  9:42am JakeGould:

192 Books is a nice place and sea birds are—generally—good birds. www.192books.com...
Avatar 9:43am Fernando P.:

Alcione & Axl BFF! goo.gl...
  9:43am JakeGould:

To be honest, I favor sparrows nowadays.
  9:43am JakeGould:

@TDK60: Fat bot culture made liking “Animal House” and “The Blues Brothers” hard at best.
  9:44am JakeGould:

I like those two movies as well as sparrows.
Avatar 👻 9:44am TDK60:

Don't think the Doors such but it doesn't matter.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:44am Brian C.:

Whoa, thanks for playing Bunny! Love Dreamland. Saw him play live in NYC c 2002? Would love to see him again
Avatar 👻 9:45am TDK60:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:45am sphere:

Someone in high school gave me a tape of '60s Atlantic R&B tunes (including Stax-Volt), so watching The Blues Brothers in college had its own magic resonance.
  9:49am emily:

good morning, trouble!
Avatar 9:49am D. Lightfoot:

Hello all. I'm just here for the soft fascination.
Avatar 9:49am mb:

Good morning all. Listening from home and enjoying!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:49am melinda:

I understand that the Doors were overplayed but they weren't ruined for me somehow. @Jake I saw Animal House in grade school and thought it was hilarious, but my feelings toward it became more complicated later. Some of it is still great.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:50am Brian C.:

Doors fans… www.youtube.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:50am Barney Grubbs:

@fernando, coincidentally, Axl shares a birthday with Bob Marley (and Ronald Reagan, Babe Ruth, Aaron Burr, Thurl Ravenscroft, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Rick Astley, and me)
Avatar 👻 9:52am TDK60:

I did have some uncomfortable encounters with frats in the '80s.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:55am sphere:

My college was essentially Slacker U. The frat/soro community was so outnumbered that members would start almost every conversation with "fraternities/sororities aren't so bad!"
Avatar 9:55am Linda Lee:

never had use for frats & thankfully no opportunity to worry about it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:56am drr:

also Doors fans: www.youtube.com...
Avatar 9:58am Linda Lee:

traveling beyond the comfort zone is always a problem for the pioneers. I remember when people outside the area wouldn't come to Soho. then they wouldn't come to the LES. then they wouldn't come to Wiliamsburg.
Avatar 9:59am Linda Lee:

same old same old. once pioneers prove an area 'marketable' by their presence, forces come to bear to get them out. same old forever.
Avatar 10:00am Linda Lee:

those are white pioneers, of course.
Avatar 👻 10:00am TDK60:

Real estate moguls? Sounds familiar.
Avatar 10:01am Linda Lee:

Trouble is right.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:02am melinda:

Good point Trouble. Sometimes the trade-off isn't worth it.
Avatar 10:03am Linda Lee:

y'know, space in the metro area is perennially at such an absolute premium that it always turns out to be worth it, in my experience. we'll put up with just about anything, until it's literally not possible any more.
  10:04am JakeGould:

@Trouble: So happy you brought up the silly romanticization of squalor. I grew up in a crappy building and crappy neighborhood and when I became an adult it was hard for me to understand why someone would willfully place themselves in such conditions.

Granted, I regret some aspects of avoiding the crappy neighborhoods in NYC back in the 1980s, but still.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:04am Ike:

"How many people actually relish that environment?"
"Some do, probably...."
Not many, but a good chunk of those few are at WFMU, LOL. When volunteering over the years I've heard plenty of people pining for the sleazy gross old Times Square of yore. Ew. ;P
  10:07am JakeGould:

@Ike: I generally think people who romanticize sleaze to that level really have the choice of being or not being there. Meaning they are “slumming” it.

There is some level of freedom to chaotic environments like that, but if you have no choice *but* to live there that is not really the same thing.
Avatar 10:07am D. Lightfoot:

Harris Teeter: gentrify your groceries
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:07am geegee vindaloo:

Good interview. It's interesting how this story matches what was going on in Boston at this time. We were in the Fort Point neighborhood in South Boston. For artists in our 20s, this was so exciting, having affordable raw space to create. In the mid 90s we went through the painful negotiation process , losing out in the ned.
  10:08am queems:

this is fascinating to me and it hits close to home
Avatar 10:09am Linda Lee:

@Ike ~ i think it's just a matter of interesting aesthetically vs not interesting. accessible to a sensibility vs not accessible. the authentic vs inauthentic. the fact that unsavory exposes something of human nature that gentrification serves to obscure. i grew up in 60s nyc & there was no doubt times square was interesting! day-to-day living as education was of incredible value to me as a person. just saying. sometimes nostalgia is more than a pose. if you weren't there though .. that's funny.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:10am Lewis:

this conversation is not helping me get my presentation ready for my 10 o'clock!...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:10am melinda:

Me too queems.
Avatar 10:10am D. Lightfoot:

I'm trying to quasi-gentrify a town of 160 people in the middle of nowhere (I am an artist whose medium is living)
  10:10am Mikeee:

Upstate NY towns Hudson, Kingston, Beacon once affordable to artists, have increased to luxury standard pricing. WTF
Avatar 10:11am Linda Lee:

blaming the artists for gentrification! talk about blaming the victim! it's practically a national sport.
Avatar 10:11am northguineahills:

The goal is to bring the benefits that gentrification can bring to a neighborhood, rather then replacing the neighborhood.
  10:12am queems:

i left the city last year for the suburbs so i could maybe afford to make art part time when i’m not at my sad job
Avatar 10:12am SSS:

Very complex subject. Just don't forget that the MOB and drug infusion into a neighborhood is often involved in gentrification. East Village in particular.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:13am drr:

New Orleans (where I live) used to be attractive because of cheap rent, but AirBnB and overexposure have ended that fun era. It's now an expensive place to live with all the same problems it had before.
Avatar 10:13am northguineahills:

(the goal should be)
Avatar 10:13am SSS:

These moves by the MOB happen in a planned way over several decades.
Avatar 10:15am Linda Lee:

yes, hudson valley is definitely changing as people in need of space are thrown far afield from home. but you do have a train line back to the mother.
@SSS ~ that's right.
my grandparents landed in JC as well, in the early 20s. a shame they didn't want to own property there, though they were offered properties many times.
Avatar 10:16am Linda Lee:

think the word is provincialism ..
  10:16am JakeGould:

Oh man, the politics of DUMBO and the people who own those buildings is amazing. The city did not want them to do what they have done. The city wanted to tear down all of those buildings. What it is now is really hypergentrified, but I will say this: That neighborhood still feels welcoming in its own way.
  10:17am PJ:

There are no longer any working artists in DUMBO (or at least I haven't seen any in at least five years, and everyone I knew who worked or lived there was forced out by the Walentis family). So, yes, St. Ann's is there, and there is the very nice Brooklyn Bridge park, but these are just amenities for the wealthy people living in their new luxury condos.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:17am BronwynB:

the conversations about gentrification and the old days of nyc (including at fmu) sometimes frustrate me because a) as a Youth(ish) im tired of hearing that the NYC i always dreamed of living in and finally made it to sucks now because it's not weird or cool enough and I'll never experience the tru magic of Old Weird Dirty Sleazy New York blah blah blah and b) as someone who grew up poor and has lived in very bad neighborhoods, it's not glamorous when you don't have a choice. it can be very interesting but also very scary and sad. gentrification is a scourge because it pushes poor people (mostly POC) out of their homes, not because it makes things less ~cool~
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:18am Greg from ZONE 5:

Morning, gang!
Avatar 10:18am βrian:

Horace Greeley's imperative still holds: Go west!
  10:18am PJ:

@JakeGould - Dumbo is welcoming for tourists and tech bros these days, not so much for regular people, and definitely not for artists.
Avatar 10:18am Linda Lee:

& this is why people value a sense of the authentic & therefore have nostalgia for the authentic. because much of what we value aesthetically is turning to window dressing for wealth.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:18am steveo:

great talk -- thanks!
  10:19am queems:

@bronwyn well said
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:20am BronwynB:

thanks queems :)
Avatar 10:20am Linda Lee:

BronwynB ~ ignore nostalgia. don't let it bug you. the idea is, make your own fantastic weird when & where you can. that's what we do.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:20am ⓘⓚⓔ:

@Linda@10:09, fair enough! "That unsavory exposes something of human nature that gentrification serves to obscure"... hmm, interesting!
  10:21am JakeGould:

@PJ: Well, not as a renter or owner, right. But just being in the neighborhood gives an outsider something to do. The tech dude bros and all that stuff are annoying. But that kind of hypergentrification is utterly everywhere nowadays. Some places are just more exclusionary about it.
Avatar 👻 10:21am TDK60:

I'm struggling to understand David's main conclusion.
Avatar 10:23am Linda Lee:

oh yeah. definitely. & even if we have no choice but to live in rough neighborhoods ~ as i have, as Bronwyn has ~ we benefit from that awareness of human nature. no use denying that or resenting it. then we do what we can with it depending on our character.
Avatar 10:23am glenn:

most people who are nostalgic for something have never lived through what they're nostalgic for.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23am BronwynB:

@Linda: that's my plan. people tell me i missed out on the weird artistic times but im just trying to make my own doing weird theatre and starting a group for occult studies, etc.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23am Priscilla:

This is so interesting!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:24am melinda:

@glenn not necessarily.
  10:24am queems:

i mean part of the problem is society’s view on art and artists. it’s disposable unless it can be used to make money or enrich the lives of wealthy people
Avatar 10:25am Linda Lee:

@rBronwynB ~ there you go! brava!!! back in the day in nyc we didn't think wow, wish this was the 1940s! (though that was a truly fantastic time in nyc). we just got on with it.
Avatar 10:25am βrian:

@glenn: The 60s were awesome, right?
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 10:26am Passaic River Blues:

I often think people's reductive criticisms of gentrification fail to realize their problem isn’t so much with gentrification as an isolated trend as it is with late capitalism generally and its attendant exploitative racism as its most useful lever. Gentrification is merely the “upswing” phase of the endless cycle of capital harvesting maximum value from real property; redlining, block-busting, and impoverishment is the “downswing” phase. Money is made at each step. The particular dynamics at any given moment for each neighborhood are individual and specific and, of course, there are unthinking market forces at work, but there are also larger structural issues always churning away.
Avatar 10:26am Linda Lee:

queems ~ forutnately or unfortunately, the creative drive exists regardless of what happens to art.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:26am sphere:

To me, every decade is awesome if you look at it in the right way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:26am BronwynB:

nice linda, i like that analogy. although my mom does say that growing up in the 70s she sometimes felt like she missed out on the 30s and 40s (her favorite era of music) :D
  10:26am JakeGould:

Slight detour, but in NYC attempts at “affordable” housing are a joke. The city gives tax incentives to developers. That sounds good right? A lot of “affordable” places are seriously going for $2,000 to $3,000 a month.

And if you want those magical $500 a month apartments in some developments? Your max income must be $30,000 or so a year. What the fuck?!?!
Avatar 10:26am glenn:

so they tell me. i was too busy trying to get through grade school.
Avatar 10:26am Linda Lee:

see? :-D
  10:26am PJ:

@JakeGould - You're right, it could certainly be worse. I worked in the JC waterfront area for a while, and there was really nothing to do there. It was hard to even find a decent spot to eat lunch.
  10:27am queems:

@linda true
  10:27am JakeGould:

@PJ: Food trucks are the diners of the 21st Century.
Avatar 10:27am βrian:

Everything started going downhill when people stopped writing in cursive, damn it.
Avatar 10:28am northguineahills:

PRB: My Master's thesis involved the history and spatial analysis and modeling gentrification, and you're spot on (that was 15 years ago).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:28am melinda:

@Linda regarding artists being blamed for gentrification, I think it's understandable in a way since everyone knows they are the first step in that direction, but it's like the critics and protesters are going after soft targets rather than focusing higher up or on larger systems at work.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:28am ⓘⓚⓔ:

@glenn, great point -- or in many cases they're just nostalgic for being young, and the rest of the stuff was much more incidental than they realize.
Avatar 10:28am northguineahills:

errr.. modeling of gentrification
  10:28am JakeGould:

@brian: I want to relearn cursive.
Avatar 10:28am Linda Lee:

@Passaic River Blues ~ dead on. correct. of course.
Avatar 10:29am Linda Lee:

@melinda ~ darn right.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:29am melinda:

@PRB well stated.
  10:29am queems:

this is so interesting that i’m not getting any work done
Avatar 👻 10:29am TDK60:

We need affordable housing for everyone -- the poor, the working class, and artists. But, we don't have it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:30am sphere:

Let the Re-Rebirth of Calligraphy begin!
Avatar 10:30am Linda Lee:

don't know why you wouldn't be nostalgic for a time when your art was first, making a living second. how is that not lovely? the point is that it doesn't matter.
Avatar 10:31am βrian:

Correction to an earlier statement: There is a $10 yearly fee to keep chickens in Madison, WI.
  10:31am JakeGould:

Not calligraphy. Cursive.
  10:32am queems:

smith st is a ghost town these days
  10:32am queems:

lots of turnover in recent years
  10:32am JakeGould:

Yeah, but Smith Street is now hypergentrified. Not a fun place anymore.
  10:33am PJ:

@PRB - there's a good book that came out last year, Fear City, about how Republicans and developers used NYC's fiscal crisis in the 70s as leverage to break unions and sell public property at bargain basement prices to developers (including Trump!) along with massive tax breaks, which they then sell or lease as luxury housing.
Avatar 10:33am northguineahills:

I remember when I wouldn't walk Bushwick (heck parts of Williamsburg) alone, and then I moved to Bushwick.
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 10:34am Passaic River Blues:

@PJ: ooh, that book sounds good to me. Thank you for the tip.
Avatar 10:34am northguineahills:

(and back then, I lived in Bed-Stuy, i got jumped many times there)
  10:35am PJ:

Smith Street is a ghost town because the landlords all want Sephora/Chase Bank money for their storefronts, which most Mom and Pops can't afford.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35am Webhamster Henry:

There's some concern about gentrification here in Kingston, NY. Kingston has primarily three parts: Uptown, Midtown, and the Rondout. While the cityencouraging artists and other creatives to colonize Midtown, Uptown is getting some boutique hotels and the rents are rising, kind of removing the low-margin stores that are the main attraction.
Again, the tax abatements go to the new rich developers, not the existing mom & pops.
  10:35am JakeGould:

@northguineahills: In the later 1980s I remember going to Williamsburg. Was in the train. Just me and some guy on the L train. While in the tunnel he pulls out a butterfly knife and is playing with it right in front of me. Then I get to Lorimer Street and get out and it’s immediately urban squalor and crap.

At least I didn’t pay $5 for a cookie back then.
  10:36am queems:

@pj ding ding ding
  10:37am JakeGould:

@PJ: Smith Street went from urban blight in the 1980s to high rent blight in the 21st century/
  10:37am queems:

nyc affordable housing is a joke
Avatar 10:38am northguineahills:

@Jake: I remember going to a party at friend's warehouse off the Bedford stop in 2001, and at 10pm is was deserted, and spooky. By 2003 in was a whole new ball game.
Avatar 10:38am Linda Lee:

@Webhamster Henry ~ was in Kingston last this fall (i'm about an hour southwest) visiting friends working there. we were in Midtown. still seemed like a happy secret, but the bloom's fading from the rose for sure.
  10:39am PJ:

DG, right on, I don't understand why abatements and PILOTs are necessary when we are talking about the most valuable property on the East Coast. These developers will build under whatever conditions you prescribe, so why not demand 50% actual affordable housing, and artspace, and whatever else we want as a community?
  10:39am JakeGould:

@northguineahills: Yeah, 2001 to 2007 was still rough. Now it’s an outdoor mall.
Avatar 10:40am Linda Lee:

@Jake ~ 2 little white girls from the East Village moved to south williamsburg in 85 & believe it or not, our neighborhood was nothing but welcoming & friendly. dope wasn't a big thing there yet. that took a few years. & then of course came the robberies & so on.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:40am steveo:

Kimzilla & Emily did a show on the Loew's JC which I have not listened to yet but which is probably excellent wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:41am steveo:

i have really enjoyed hearing this talk -- thanks for for coming in, David, and thanks for hosting, Trouble (I used to work in Jersey City in the early 00's)
  10:42am queems:

that was great, thanks!
Avatar 10:43am Linda Lee:

i lived in JC with my grandparents for the whole of the 60s. haven't been there since their deaths in the 80s. i should drop in & see what's what! :-)
Avatar 👻 10:43am TDK60:

David's thesis is available as a PDF: 111 1st Street Jersey City, NJ: The Life and Death of an Arts Community.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:43am Webhamster Henry:

@Linda Lee : We in Kingston have a consciousness of the economic and social danger. The city got a grant of $10M to fix up uptown, but a lot is going toward kind of upscale-y incentives rather than infrastructure improvements.
  10:44am JakeGould:

@LindaLee: Yeah, the mid 1980s is when NYC really started to slide. Even my neighborhood in Brooklyn was crappy but there was community and our landlord was nice. Then he sold the building and it fell to crap and our neighborhood became known more and more as the place you could score good cheap heroin in. What’s not to like?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:44am Webhamster Henry:

Thanks, Trouble, for a little Talk Radio! You should take over for Lopate!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:45am melinda:

@Henry yes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:45am Barney Grubbs:

That science/art comparison from the Chippendale piece made me happy (& depressed at the same time)
  10:46am PJ:

The whole Exchange Place area in JC is a real missed opportunity, miles of waterfront property with just glass office towers and condos. But this is how most development and re-development is in the US since the 70s, mediocre buildings and few amenities and why on earth would anyone want to spend time there?
Avatar 10:46am Itzall Ablurr:

Dear TDK60, thanks for the info. I really want to get his book and will most definitely read this work as well.
Avatar 10:46am Linda Lee:

@Webhamster Henry ~ jeez .. feeders at the trough taking their tithe.
@JakeGould ~ it's basically a given that viable communities are almost always purposely driven to shit for the benefit of the controllers. we wrongly blame the community, as if its intrinsic weakness forced its destruction. but bombing is bombing.
  10:46am stu:

Hi Trouble from cool and crispy Finland.
Avatar 10:47am Itzall Ablurr:

And of course, thank you, Trouble for the great show this morning.
Avatar 10:48am Linda Lee:

@Webmaster Henry ~ problem is the distribution of resources, seems like. who decides where the money goes..
  10:48am Dean:

The book is also on Muse for those who have access to its contents: https://muse.jhu.edu/book/53037/
Avatar 10:49am Linda Lee:

of course i fucked up your name. sorry.
  10:49am PJ:

Trouble, I second the call for you to have your own talk radio show. Thanks for the thought-provoking and anger-generating conversation with DG, as always for the great music.
Avatar 👻 10:52am TDK60:

That's a good idea -- an additional Trouble talk show. It would be very unusual in that the discussion would be thought provoking.
  10:52am PJ:

I also think that part of the problem is that in smaller and poorer communities, politicians have little experience in dealing with the amounts of money that developers throw around and are just happy that anything is happening rather than blight, so that they miss out on the things that could really benefit the community if the redevelopment were done more intelligently.
Avatar 👻 10:53am TDK60:

Is Station Mgr. Ken reading the comments? Or shall we direct his attention?
Avatar 10:55am Linda Lee:

no word yet from Trouble on the idea .. :-)
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 10:56am Passaic River Blues:

@WH, PJ & TDK60: a Trouble talk show built around a probing interview of an author on an interesting subject? YES.
Avatar 10:58am βrian:

Mais enfin ! Les oiseaux !
  10:58am PJ:

Re the talk show, assuming, of course, that Trouble would want to do it, even if time elsewhere is unavailable, maybe an hour of the current show could be set aside for these kinds of conversations. Even though I would miss that hour of music, there are so few places to hear these kind of discussions (that I am aware of.)
  11:01am JakeGould:

FWIW, Jersey City is really nice. But the whole finance district—offices and condos for workers—is kinda insane. It’s like an office park by the shore. At least the NYC financial district has some life.
Avatar 11:01am βrian:

Jersey Garden is a euphemism for shopping mall?
  11:02am Dean:

It is her third, if you don't count the remix album by Prince Fatty.
  11:03am Dean:

"Presents Hollie Cook in Dub"...nice.
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 11:03am Passaic River Blues:

@Brian: The Jersey Gardens is an actual mall in Elizabeth, near Newark Airport. It's cursed ground I am forced to visit a few times a year. (I did see "Bridesmaids" there--that was nice.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:04am Trouble:

hey guys! i was saying goodbye to my guest so i couldnt read comments. thanks for all your good words. i do miss leonard lopate's interviews.
Avatar 11:04am βrian:

Wow. Stranger than fiction.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:05am Ken From Hyde Park:

Very nice work today, Trouble!
  11:05am queems:

jersey gardens is an experience, i will say that
Avatar 11:06am βrian:

Garden state makes more sense now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:09am ⓔⓘⓚ:

Jersey Gardens is just about the least garden-like place in existence, and kind of depressing even as malls go. You should be cursed to have ivy grow all over your body if you name something "[Whatever] Gardens" and there are no actual gardens there!
  11:09am Dean:

Madison Square?
Avatar 11:12am βrian:

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Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:12am Priscilla:

Dancing on my desk
  11:13am slowbear:

this is making my commute effing amazing thank you
Avatar 11:13am glenn:

trump gardens. where bullshit flourishes.
Avatar 11:13am Linda Lee:

hey girl! love it!
  11:13am Dean:

Madison Square Olive Beer...has a nice ring...
Avatar 11:13am Itzall Ablurr:

Priscilla: SAME here!
Avatar 👻 11:14am TDK60:

WFMU's little building is old and quaint compared to the glass offices surrounding. Well, WFMU is next to the old Post Office building, still running.
  11:16am Kate from NYC and more recently SF:

Not listening right now but just saw this. Did you know about this? https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/cdc-chickens-backyard-salmonella-kissing-cuddling
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:18am Trouble:

thanks kate! we do not cuddle our chickens: they wouldn't stand for it!
  11:18am queems:

  11:20am JakeGould:

I miss malls. Discovered this great article from 2013 talking about how “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” and “Valley Girl” are time capsules of a world of retail that doesn’t exist anymore. www.kcet.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:20am drr:

Thanks for the good interview, that was like a personally relevant On Point.
  11:22am r i s k y:

Hi trubzzzz - keep em rockin!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:23am steveo:

i should buy this album (and a record player)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:23am steveo:

oh, and a bigger apartment (see real estate discussion)
Avatar 11:24am Linda Lee:

those disco strings helped mitigate new york filth, children. :-D
  11:25am Dean:

I, too, have a soft spot for malls, so long as I don't think for too long about the inherent racism that spawned the suburbia that was formative for me. When I would hie to Victoriaville for the festival I'd kill time in the morning having coffee at the mall. It was a comfortable familiar site, for all intents and purposes identical to the ones I knew from Southern California, except all of the signage was in French.
  11:25am SG:

This set is really warming up this corner of NH!
Avatar 11:26am Linda Lee:

same for the snowy catskills, SG!
  11:27am exile-on-hicks-street:

That electric piano riff sounds familiar...
  11:28am queems:

i’ve got a question for trouble/any local fiber people out there- does anyone know of any places in north jersey that offer yarn spinning classes? my internet searches have brought up a lot of outdates lists and dead links. thanks in advance!
Avatar 11:29am βrian:

Never cared much for malls. I always tried to get in and out as fast as possible. And the air had a strange soul-dessicating effect.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:30am melinda:

My favorite mall from childhood was converted into a community college campus. I loved the mall back then but don't miss it.
Avatar 11:31am βrian:

Are malls likely places to be converted to arts hubs? Or is their location and layout just too peculiar?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:32am melinda:

Brian I wonder about that too. I think it could happen with the right mall and location.
Avatar 👻 11:33am TDK60:

Always hated malls. Wasn't Paramus, NJ's the first? // Love Juana Molina by the way.
  11:34am exile-on-hicks-street:

The Newburgh Mall (does that exist?) and the Orange Plaza mall both had excellent video arcades. It is not unusual for imagined versions of these malls to be sets/locations for my dreams.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:36am Trouble:

@queems check out white barn farm in new paltz, she might teach spinning or know of someone. it's an easy drive and gorgeous!
  11:37am Dean:

"A place of curiosity, ritual, and fantasy..."

That's probably overstating the effect.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:38am melinda:

Thinking of malls reminds me of food trends that have passed, like potato-focused fast-food restaurants with silly names. When I was a kid one of my favorite mall joints was Tater Junction, and the mall in my college town had a Super Spud. Then again, maybe there still are potato restaurants I'm missing because I avoid malls now.
Avatar 11:38am Linda Lee:

my gosh i cannot wait for summer in these mountains. brrrrrrr :-)
Avatar 11:38am Linda Lee:

Trouble, this set is just delicious. absolutely delicious. thank you.
  11:39am queems:

@trouble thanks!! i used to climb rocks in new paltz! agreed, it is lovely up there. i will definitely check it out!
Avatar 11:40am Linda Lee:

i've always found malls disorienting. no sense of natural light .. which is how i find myself in space :-D
  11:40am Dean:

Southdale Center in MN, "oldest fully enclosed shopping mall in the country," though Valley Fair Shopping Center in Appleton, WI, was earlier, but hosted only six stores.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:40am Trouble:

obrigado @ linda lee
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:40am steveo:

It's cold down here too, Linda :) & I am also loving this set
  11:41am Dean:

Southdale opened in October 1956.
Avatar 11:41am Linda Lee:

where are you steveo? sorry, i forget! getting on you know
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:41am melinda:

@Linda yeah, no natural light is bad. Though some have skylights.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:42am Ken From Hyde Park:

Dead malls in New Jersey: www.deadmalls.com...
  11:42am Warwick joe:

Great show, from the interview to the music to the dj banter.
Avatar 11:43am Linda Lee:

@melinda ~ true! but somehow it doesn't help. like a prison window i guess .. what i need is landscape & the relative position of the sun.
Avatar 11:43am glenn:

that's a lot of dead malls.
Avatar 👻 11:44am TDK60:

I suppose we don't need another Trouble talk show, if she can easily do that here in-between the music. Maybe a bit more often?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:44am steveo:

sorry, Linda; you can't read my mind?; live in Brooklyn work in Hell's Kitchen
Avatar 11:45am Linda Lee:

ah! where are you in Brooklyn? even after all that's happened .. love Brooklyn. moving from manhattan in '81 was such a revelation. sky!!! :-)
Avatar 11:46am Linda Lee:

speaking of art spaces .. dead malls.
  11:47am JakeGould:

Early goodbye but still listening because work. THANKS TROUBLE!!!
Avatar 11:47am Linda Lee:

wow look at all the dead hudson valley malls ~ & here come the artists looking for space to live & work! hello??
  11:48am exile-on-hicks-street:

Same - @Trouble-Great show today.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:48am common:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:48am Priscilla:

I could go for Tater Junction about now...
  11:49am Leelee:

Ahhh love this Os Mutantes... so dreamy
  11:49am exile-on-hicks-street:

Aw, man.... Now you play Os Mutantes? :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:49am steveo:

Linda, i live near Grand Army Plaza. my not-yet-wife dragged me out there from the east village in the 00s. we think about moving upstate but... jobs
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:49am Webhamster Henry:

@Linda Lee - The Hudson Valley Mall is definitely dying out - and even if they were to convert it to housing, there's lousy bus service there!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:52am Trouble:

obrigado! thanks for sitting in today and all your fab comments!
Avatar 👻 11:54am TDK60:

Believe it or not, lots of Brazilian tourists come to NYC in the winter.
Avatar 11:55am βrian:

Coming up:
Underwater Theme Park with Meghan

Avatar 11:56am Linda Lee:

@steveo ~ nice neighborhood for sure. & you're not the only ones thinking about relocating! here's the funny thing .. the more folks come .. the more jobs created to serve. i believe that's how it goes. the trick is, don't pick up a city-income mortgage!! that's the mistake people make.
Avatar 11:57am Linda Lee:

@Webhamster Henry ~ opportunity for creating citizen bus service! :-)
Avatar 11:58am Linda Lee:

@TDK60 - shopping opportunities in the off-season?
Avatar 👻 11:59am TDK60:

Cheaper flights? Too see winter weather? I know not.
Avatar 12:00pm Linda Lee:

just you wait .. co-housing community is coming. this is how we transform dead spaces & areas affordably. the nuclear family is over. it's just a matter of time.
Avatar 👻 12:00pm TDK60:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:00pm steveo:

i wonder about providence, which Trouble mentioned earlier; seem like a nice place...

Thanks for the show, DJ Trouble!
Avatar 👻 Swag For Life Member 12:00pm Passaic River Blues:

Thank you, Trouble!
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