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Hosted by various WFMU personalities, Radio Free Culture is a weekly program that explores digital culture, net neutrality, piracy, the broadcast spectrum, digital rights, and archives and libraries in the internet age. We'll be interviewing some of the nation's key figures at the intersection of music, multimedia, and digital technology. This program is supported in part by an award from the National Endowment for the Arts.

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Options June 25, 2012: Radio Free Culture #1: Interview with Brewster Kahle, Founder of Archive.org

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Station Manager Ken Interviews Brewster Kahle, Founder of Archive.org   0:00:00 (Pop‑up)

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  6:03pm ian:

where can you beg, buy, borrow, or steal that circle record? A few minutes of frantic googling is only turning up with a sketchy russian site that charges 10 cents a track
  6:04pm ian:

speaking of the internet..
  6:04pm BW:

folks you all can call in as well
  6:04pm Matt from Springfield:

Forget the "job creators"! We're all about the free digital media repository creators!!!
Just rolls off the tongue!
  6:05pm other david:

looking forward to this show Ken, very cool guest too - archive.org is an amazing resource.

Ken, probably too far off topic for tonights show - but how does the cost of delivering WFMU for internet listeners compare to the cost of providing it for FM listeners?
  6:06pm Danne D:

Andy sounds different tonight
  6:06pm Danne D:

Petabyte Sounds - Music of archive.org
  6:07pm Matt from Springfield:

@Danne: And strangely technology-literate...
  6:07pm Danne D:

http://web.archive.org/web/19961115033357/http://wfmu.org/
  6:08pm Matt from Springfield:

Thanks Danne! Was just about to look for that!
Oooh! Plain text!
  6:08pm Danne D:

Then 2nd archived wfmu page is awesome:
http://web.archive.org/web/19961218213608/http://wfmu.org/
  6:09pm Danne D:

So have any terrorist hunters and the like come to archive.org looking for help or information?
  6:09pm Close Listener:

RFC only once a month? Are there any plans for all the other weekly slots inanely filled by TMI reruns?
  6:09pm Matt from Springfield:

Ha ha! He's right about MIT! You'd think they have a better page than this!
http://web.archive.org/web/19970606124950/http://www.mit.edu/
  6:10pm BW:

wow, the napster library got skipped !
  6:10pm the glowing one:

I wonder how this interview would be like if Ken was drunk again...
  6:10pm Matt from Springfield:

That's like 1995 quality! Then again, perhaps they were saving space for cooler things.
  6:11pm Danne D:

Kenny G's popular guide to unpopular music:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970629055100/http://www.wfmu.org/~kennyg/popular.html
  6:12pm BW:

Danne you are well versed in Archive.org
  6:12pm Danne D:

For comparison here's the webpage for a larger entity. 1996's nfl.com

http://web.archive.org/web/19961112094729/http://www.nfl.com/
  6:12pm Matt from Springfield:

"Intertwingled™"
  6:13pm Danne D:

@BW - lol naah it's pretty much easy to do.
  6:13pm BW:

folks - call in! with a question - I know you have some good ones...
  6:13pm the glowing one:

ok serious question: what are their strategies on data rot and data migration?
  6:13pm Danne D:

OH MY - This Bengals page is not how I remembered the 90s - very bizarro world: http://web.archive.org/web/19961112095415/http://www.nfl.com/bengals/index.html
  6:15pm Matt from Springfield:

"Interesting to be around"???! Pah! I demand militant CYBORGS!!
  6:15pm Danne D:

Bruce Coslet and Ki-Jana Carter leading the way! Of course after they started 1-6.

So who's gonna ask 'em about Pr0n.
  6:16pm Danne D:

Q: More seriously, how do they deal with any potential legality issues in terms of the pages they are archiving?
  6:16pm Fredericks:

I believe the Turing test only required 60% of the conversation be appropriate/convincing.
  6:19pm BW:

pron coming!
  6:20pm Matt from Springfield:

@Danne: For the most part, I say: get a robots.txt file if you don't want your pages archived.
  6:20pm Bas, NL:

Question: Is there any (way of) rating the value of what to put in the archive?
  6:25pm Danne D:

LOL Matt - That wasn't why I was asking!
  6:28pm Danne D:

http://archive.org/details/911
  6:28pm the glowing one:

I have a question about the 9/11 recordings: I remember that there used to be higher quality mpegs available back then. now they seem to be gone or are at least not accessible. what happened to those files?
  6:29pm BW:

hah
  6:29pm Matt from Springfield:

Ah, I'd like to see that 9/11 archive. It's painful, but I'd really like to revisit that for a longer historical view--I haven't looked at the original coverage since it happened.
  6:29pm Danne D:

lol
  6:30pm The Interesting Parts:

Technically, when people are sitting down we are in fact under the table
  6:30pm Danne D:

(lol at the pr0n answer he gave)
  6:30pm Danne D:

The internet archive just reads playboy for the articles.
  6:31pm BW:

i was hahing at porn too not you glowing one
  6:31pm Reno Deputy Junior:

Aw man, that's my daddy's porn, we'll never find that again...
  6:31pm Curtis:

Question for Brewser KAHLE:
Are there facilities for archiving data for public access via archive.org?
  6:31pm Matt from Springfield:

I heart the Prelinger Archive! Thank you Brewster!
  6:33pm Ian (2):

Wonderful topic.

As is is so easy & fast to create information, so too is it increasingly ephemeral. Archive is a great resource & effort to preserve that which is fleeting - Kudos!
  6:34pm Matt from Springfield:

A lot forums it seems are blocked from Archive.org--there were public, search-engine accessible forums that you could look up, but then if it goes offline archive.org won't show them.
  6:36pm Danne D:

wow:

http://web.archive.org/web/19961223013844/http://democrats.org/

http://web.archive.org/web/19961220233340/http://rnc.org/
  6:38pm Danne D:

usatoday.com is a prominent site with no archive btw.

Q: Has there ever been a clear threat that could've taken the entire project down?
  6:49pm Matt from Springfield:

Art videos (and sounds): ubu.org !!!
  6:50pm Matt from Springfield:

And, Kenny G said much the same thing regarding UbuWeb, getting obscure but important art pieces, with only a few hundred vinyl LPs available, and making them available to the world.
  6:51pm BW:

ok anyone else want to call for our debut show?
Im doing the phones
  6:55pm Matt from Springfield:

At work now, but now that I know about this series I may try to call another time. Thanks Ben!
  6:56pm BW:

the last monday of every month!
  6:56pm the glowing one:

nope, the industry just won't give up. they will try again and again.
  6:56pm Danne D:

Great show :)
  6:57pm Matt from Springfield:

And yes, SOPA and PIPA were lightning rods, they united so many technology people against it. The near unianimity was important in fighting the lobbyist-bought legislators. Occupy Congress on Jan 17, a number were attracted there in part by SOPA and PIPA (myself included).
  6:57pm the glowing one:

yes, very good show.
  6:58pm Bas, NL:

Excellent and very interesting interview!
  6:58pm Matt from Springfield:

Thanks Ken, Brewster, and again to Ben Walker!
This has a promising start, I will check this out next month!

Have a good night everyone!
  7:00pm other david:

+1 excellent show, thanks ken, benjamin & brewster
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