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Favoriting June 19, 2023: Ridiculing Apple's Vision Pro headset with Paris Marx

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Today: Ridiculing Apple's Vision Pro headset with Paris Marx

Tech Won’t Save Us, Paris’s podcast

Disconnect, Paris’s newsletter

Apple’s Vision Pro headset deserves to be ridiculed (June 5, 2023), by Paris in Disconnect

Techtonic on July 25, 2022 – Paris’s first appearance on Techtonic, talking about his book Road to Nowhere: What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong about the Future of Transportation

Don’t Wear the Goggles (June 9, 2023), by Ross Douthat in the NYT, in which he says that “public derision” is “good” and “necessary” and that “our health as a society and species depends on sustaining it.”

Meta to Lower Age for Users of Virtual Reality Headset to 10 From 13 (NYT, June 16, 2023): “The age change for the Quest headset comes as building a virtual reality-based version of the metaverse has become crucial to Meta’s future. . . . The high costs of trying to turn the metaverse into a mainstream business have spooked Wall Street, causing Meta’s stock to plunge last year. . . . Lowering the minimum age requirements for the company’s Quest headset could help familiarize younger audiences with the metaverse . . . so that they would be more likely to continue using the technology as they grow up.”

Rejecting the Apple Vision Pro (June 9, 2023), by Mark Hurst

Glass Half Empty (The Daily Show feat. Jason Jones, June 16, 2014)



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Listener comments!

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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
  6:00pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
  6:01pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Hey Mark! 🤖
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi on-liners!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonpples!
  6:02pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

This is why we are being forc fed John Mellencamp suddenly - https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1182457207/john-mellencamp-releases-his-25th-album-orpheus-descending
  6:02pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1182457207/john-mellencamp-releases-his-25th-album-orpheus-descending
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Deano de los Muertos:

Hello TechTachyons
  6:04pm
Carmichael:

Heya Mark and tech heads.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark & Friends! What fresh Hell are we in for today?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark. Thanks, Viewmaster!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Webhamster Henry:

Vision PRO .. you've seen me mock that over on the Creative Good forum!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
ultradamno:

Don't all vr headsets kind of look like ski goggles?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Dano59:

Apple's always been ripe for parody. www.somethingawful.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ ultradamno @6:05
There are VR contact lenses #beveryafraid.
  6:06pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

Stay out of stores, buildings, houses, cities, suburbs, boats, airports, hospitals if you hate John Melkencamp.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Dano59:

↳ ledzeppelinsucks @6:02
strangely enough, Joe McGasko didn't pick up on that
  6:07pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

Stay out of clothes, air, skin, atmosphere if you hate John Mellencamp.
  6:09pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

The media Mellencamp dump for his box shit is over the top. Grocery stores are piling it on.
  🤖 6:09pm
Quinn02:

I don't see how people can go out in public with apple vision pro because someone can easily rob them
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
DjLorraine:

I did get to look thru a viewmaster 2x
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Folsom:

Wow Ross actually said somethng intelligent. Normally he's asinine.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Dano59:

may it crash and smash like Google Glash
  6:10pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

Nevermind the Apple trash, everywhere is suddenly a John Mellencamp disaster area.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining this evening.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

We're not talking about Mellencamp on this show. That's enough of that
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Folsom @6:09
Folsom, I agree. He puts the "ass" in "asinine."
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Also, hi Mark!
Avatar 🤖 6:11pm
MarciB:

These headsets are to normalize wearing then till Apple introduces their "smart glasses".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11
Hi Wendy, thanks for joining just after your show!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:12
It's an easy and excellent transition.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

"The little face jail." hahaha So true.
  6:13pm
Sam:

Like Homer wearing the glasses with eyes drawn on them so he could sleep during jury duty
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Art:

7 years old but related... www.counterpunch.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

Good evening Mark and techies.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Peter from Boonton
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:11
Exactly right, Marci
  6:15pm
Sam:

I agree, Uber totally eats
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Sam @6:13
There's always a Simpsons bit!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
ultradamno:

Jury duty by VR has scary implications
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:16
...would probably be a scarier Black Mirror than anything this season..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ ultradamno @6:17
true
  6:17pm
Doug in DC:

I know more people getting COVID now than ever before.
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VantuckyEd:

Since apple is scanning your eyes for this doesn't that also mean they can turn around an send your unique eye print to say..um...The NSA, CIA and FBI?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ VantuckyEd @6:18
Yep the surveillance possibilities are endless
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
cosmic matrix:

it's so messed up
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
JeremyB:

Mark, if you haven't seen the first episode of the new Black Mirror season, PLEASE WATCH IT TONIGHT! Joan is Awful is the tech dystopia you promised us... it was so nuts...
  6:20pm
Sam:

Do people really need to be convinced not to wear a stupid headset and have fake interactions? Why does any of this crap even get off the ground? Why don’t people have higher standards for what they want out of life?
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VantuckyEd:

↳ JeremyB @6:20
I second that. The first BM episode is awesome.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ JeremyB @6:20
Good pointer, thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
JeremyB:

Love the image at the top
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
ultradamno:

I thought Joan Is Awful was underwhelming...they've done the AI in a virtual environment gaining sentience better before, leaving only that they poke at Netflix to the point the company let them and meta celebrity stunt casting left.
  6:24pm
Rolando:

When are we going to understand that the pandemic, and politics, and the upcoming economic situation as well as current tech directions, censorship et.al are all somewhat “manufactured” and prepared for us or at least “fashioned” by design. As is the desperate shortage of free time.
Avatar 🤖 6:24pm
MarciB:

I think Mark mentioned a while ago that Apple is out of ideas, hence "face jail"!
  6:24pm
Sam:

Like us on Facejail!
  🤖 6:24pm
Quinn02:

Its going to be good for video games and porn.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
melinda:

hi all
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Mark Hurst:

Hi Melinda!
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cosmic matrix:

lol! omg. hi melinda!
  6:25pm
Sam:

Hi Melinda
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MarciB:

↳ Doug in DC @6:17
Yikes - and I don't think the pandemic is "over" as much as we are "over it"...
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ultradamno:

twitter.com...
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ultradamno:

By the way, scary piece on crypto texting scams and the white slavery rings keeping it going on Showtime's Vice yesterday
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VantuckyEd:

↳ ultradamno @6:23
It got a laugh out of me on the satire. Usually BM is so cringy & frightening. But you're right that they've tread that ground before.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

The way you have to interact with the Vision PRO means you have to pinch the air and mumble to your self a lot. Virtual 3D is actually a very poor user interface.
  6:31pm
Rolando:

Integrated AI? Maybe they should properly integrate and fix Siri before they attempt AI.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:31
Pinch the Air is my favorite hipster folk band.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Webhamster Henry:

"My beta Google Glass
Plays a Vine of Beyoncé's ass"
-- line from a song I wrote that got outdated pretty fast!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
ultradamno:

In my day VR headsets were made by Viewmaster and that's how we liked it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
melinda:

↳ ultradamno @6:33
lol
Avatar 🤖 6:34pm
herb.nyc:

Oh. Mark said Ewaste. Next events for LES Ecology Center be
06/24/23 - SUNSET PARK (6TH AVENUE BTW 44TH § 45TH St).
06/25/23 - QUEENS VILLAGE (ALLEY POND)

Vision Pro? Or Vision Poop?
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mespr:

I was one of those people. I transposed Zork to google glass. It was great. My dream is that more of the open source applications of these techs gain hold, with no agenda.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
ultradamno:

Teresa Nervosa has died
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

$3500 for Vision Pro? I'm safe, I'd rather put that money to another guitar.
  6:36pm
Carmichael:

These should go over big with the anti-reality crowd.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Dano59:

↳ Carmichael @6:36
especially if they think they can 'control' their environment
  6:37pm
yippie:

I know it's not a hot topic like new apple stuff, but the new compost bins in NYC require QR codes and an app to open the bin and compost your junk
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:14
Hi Mark, I listen regularly but don't often get to comment. I love your show, I tell people about it all the time!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ yippie @6:37
Ugh, I haven't noticed that yet. That's a bummer
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Webhamster Henry:

If you're interested in just the video recording camera part, there are plenty of recording glasses available now that are pretty discreet. smartglasseshub.com...
  6:38pm
Sam:

↳ yippie @6:37
No way! That is nuts. Just dump your stuff on top of it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ @6:37
Thanks, Peter, appreciate you spreading the word!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Sam @6:38
What if people dumped all the compost *on* the QR code...
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herb.nyc:

↳ yippie @6:37
Yep. I don’t like app based compost bins

Hudson River park has for-the-people bins, 24hrs. I saw one at chambers st that had a swing open door. Yay
  6:39pm
Sam:

Nobody’s going to use these things and Apple will lose a lot of money
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Dano59:

I knew a professor who was an early Google Glass test cse to study its application in education ... I was intrigued by some features like translating text; but otherwise the very idea skeeves me out
  6:40pm
Dav:

A classmate of mine used to wear one of these goofy fake eye glasses in class while snoozing as a joke, guess he landed a job at Apple
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ mespr @6:35
Interesting - thanks for sharing your experience. FWIW I'm totally up for open source experiments... just aware that Big Tech tends to steamroll and/or co-opt anything that gets too popular in the opensource world.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Webhamster Henry:

The Vision PRO, FWIW, it's got huge amounts of "tech fix" features, like "the camera is stuck on your face, so for Facetime calls we make a model of your head that the camera can't see, and use that as your avatar"
  6:41pm
Rolando:

Last long weekend I put my phone down for 4 days and it felt wonderful, I thought my own thoughts freely, now they are in my mind and not on my phone.
  6:41pm
Dean:

Shouldn't we blame science fiction? A bunch of dummies dreaming about their perfect (or, conversely, their worst) future?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ultradamno:

That thing, the need to deliver an INCREDIBLE thing by tech companies, always makes me think of the 'cities will have to be redesigned' line that came out of the initial introduction of the Segway scooter.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Dano59:

↳ Dean @6:41
... all watched over by machines of loving grace
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ ultradamno @6:42
I'm doing an episode somewhat along those lines pretty soon.
  6:43pm
David:

Values before technology.
Enough with technological thrill seeking
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Hi Hi Hi
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Richy4619:

↳ Dano59 @6:42
<3 Brautigan
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

This is a fantastic interview. Thank you, Mark and Paris!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:44
Thx, Wendy :)
  6:45pm
Sam:

↳ Dean @6:41
Yes I think you’re right
  6:46pm
Dean:

I can't fathom why folks would want phones, yet they're adored. They'll fall for a headset, too. People buy crap I can't imagine buying.

I so hate the network effect.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

It gave me perspective on why I've been so frustrated with Apple the last few years, after being really happy with their computers for so long. Boo Tim Cook! :-(
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Bas NL:

They should branch out to selling apples.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:46
See also the episode on why we shouldn't trust Apple: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Bas NL @6:46
<--- Or bananas!
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VantuckyEd:

Great show today. The other company who'll be enabling this tech is Adobe. They're always looking for ways to do subtle evil things to ruin the lives of creatives.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Try and stop and Television. Could U have?
The tech/moving image is seductive like the Golden Calf
  6:48pm
Sam:

↳ Dean @6:46
Yeah, iPhones are terrible. I hate the touchscreen interface and how the phone’s constantly trying to do things I didn’t ask for. I don’t get how you can become addicted to something so glitchy and annoying.
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Bas NL:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:47
;)
  6:48pm
Rolando:

Webhamster Henry, those glasses are enviable, and I’m also after a small pocket recorder, why? I love snagging soundbytes from podcasts and conversations, and if I’m listening on my phone I can’t film or record. Any thoughts?
  6:49pm
Sam:

The Google glass fiasco proved that people won’t just follow every trend. There are limits. I think this will be Apple’s Waterloo/New Coke.
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ultradamno:

↳ Sam @6:48
They have made supermarket shopping into a series of 'is this guy talking to me, oh...his toy' moments
  6:50pm
Dean:

When Apple introduced, give or take, graphicual user interface--fucking pictures so that illiterates could buy shit--I knew it was likely all over. GUI is the dumbest idea ever.
  6:50pm
patrick321:

Have to make it unattractive for Hollywood stars and musicians to have one. Somehow.
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Bas NL:

And i still don't know what these glasses actually do...
  6:50pm
Rolando:

I like this chap! I’m gonna subscribe.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Try and stop the Television
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
-жеи:

“Apples a very unethical company that’s great at marketing.”
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ultradamno:

↳ patrick321 @6:50
I think if Taylor Swift dates one and then breaks up and records an album about it may be the only way
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
ultradamno:

So...are people walking around with these things on? I mean it's one thing if they're playing a game in the privacy of their home.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
-жеи:

The fact that Tim Cook and no other exec will allow themselves to be photographed wearing this thing says it all
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VantuckyEd:

Just wait until someone is riding their Tesla on auto drive while wearing these goggles.
  6:52pm
Dean:

All companies good at marketing are (by definition?) unethical?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Rolando @6:48
It's simple, just put cameras and mics everywhere!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
ultradamno:

"The best firms advertise the least"
-MES
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

It might be really easy to pick their pockets if people are so focused on their face jails. And if they could afford a face jail, they're probably loaded. Steal their credit cards and go on a spree! It'll take them a long time to figure it out because... face jail!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
-жеи:

↳ Sam @6:49
I agree 103%
  6:53pm
Sam:

Wait till all those people on the subway wearing face jails start getting pickpocketed. Crime will save us.
  🤖 6:53pm
Quinn02:

These will be popular when they're so cheap that people can walk around without someone stealing them
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

@Sam: Jinx! You owe me a Coke.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:28
Facebook, by the way, are instrumental in this story.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Facebook co-opting the word Meta is a sick joke
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Webhamster Henry:

I actually had, in the 80s, a binaural mic recording walkman, an since everyone was walking around with headphones back then, nobody knew I was recording. Being binaural was a lot like the Vision PRO 3d scanning camera feature! but of course way less obtrusive.
  6:55pm
Carmichael:

They should include superglue as an add-on. Betcha it’ll sell.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1923:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:54
Meta-Physical

The Otherside
  6:56pm
Dean:

I let my children do whatever the fuck they want to do. Consequently, they use Apple products, utterly contrary to my desires.

I should do otherwise, experts?

I disagree with SMK and Sam. Folks will eventually embrace this stupidity.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

It could end up like The Jerk movie. People become cross-eyed.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Ten year olds are stuck infront of a Television…
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
PaulRobeson1923:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:56
2 year olds love T.V
  6:57pm
Fragonard:

Gives “grooming” a new meaning
  6:57pm
Carmichael:

The diaper demographic
  6:57pm
Rolando:

Housing, Free time and access to our communities are the things I’d like fixed. Douglass Rushkoff reminds us to “Find the Others” then folks will turn their backs on social.
  6:58pm
Fragonard:

Go Mark!
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listener 126464:

Thank you, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Paris!
  6:58pm
P-90:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:56
Hahaha! KFHP, I'd love to see Zuckerberg walk out of his mansion with a chair, thermos, and paddle-ball.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Thanks Mark
  6:59pm
Fragonard:

Face Fone?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark, Paris, and Accu Peeps!!!
  6:59pm
yippie:

I used to like wearing the Versace sunglasses notorious BIG has in one video
  6:59pm
Rolando:

Paris ++ Mark ++
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
ultradamno:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:56
Weird synchronicity twitter.com...
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Franco Twinkie:

The MC5 did song on their 1971 album - Back in the USA called The Human Lawnmower.

Visionaries - You decide!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark & Paris!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
ultradamno:

David Koresh was a big Lawnmower Man fan
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
  7:01pm
Sam:

Ridiculing the face jail is hate speech!!!
  7:01pm
Carmichael:

Standing at attention. Prog salute!
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