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Favoriting November 7, 2022: Carissa Véliz, author, "Privacy is Power"

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Today: Carissa Véliz, author, “Privacy is Power: Why and How You Should Take Back Control of Your Data.” Véliz is Associate Professor, Faculty of Philosophy and the Institute for Ethics in AI, University of Oxford.

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What Are Those Mysterious New Towers Looming Over New York’s Sidewalks? (NYT, Nov 5, 2022). The print version of the (Sunday, Nov 6) NYT ran with the headline “Progress is Tall, and Startling.”

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Listener comments!

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listener james from westwood:

Re: those NYC towers, every Techtonic listener who saw that headline question snapped their fingers and pointed at the screen like that Leo DiCaprio GIF.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
ultradamno:

Mark! Techermites!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Franco Twinkie:

Hi Mark!
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Picante Mint:

Greetings
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
ultradamno:

Following up on Bandcamp, Renaldo & The Loaf have issued a statement on their future on the platform as regards privacy issues renaldoandtheloaf.bandcamp.com...
  6:02pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicans!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi Techtonicoids!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
Avatar 6:07pm
TDK60:

Hi Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Techtonic listeners. It's me, your friendly 5G tower! I'm not that bad really! Can I be your friend?
  6:08pm
Robm:

Hello fellow tech people
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark, Techyon Drives, all.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
joe mulligan:

I've said this a few times about Elon, my own little conspiracy theory about why he bought Twitter:
1) offer free speech, attract the hate speech degenerates
2) win votes for republicans
3) republicans win elections
4) newly elected republican officials will pass legislature that is favorable for Tesla (lax environmental laws, less fines for battery resource mining and manufacturing in the US)
anyine think this is possible?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining this evening! Especially important topic in this interview, I think.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
ultradamno:

Free speech up until female comedians hurt his feelings
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
DjLorraine:

And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street is Theodor Seuss Geisel's first children's book published under the pen name Dr. Seuss. First published by Vanguard Press in 1937
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

@DjLorraine good one! I wonder how Dr. Seuss would draw one of those 32-foot-high towers.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Webhamster Henry:

Companies don't need the power to arrest you - they can fence off your interactions in other ways.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Niall:

Hey, @handy, Ian Lynch of Lankum has a new album out, and it's something else:

nyahhrecords.bandcamp.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark, I might have missed it here, but I also miss it in the wider world because I'm so poorly connected, but can you give me an example of Big Tech promulgating the idea that privacy is outdated so that I can show friends of mine the receipts?

Ah, Niall, nice! Thanks for that!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Great show, as always
  6:20pm
Robm:

@ultradamno never thought kathy griffin was very funnu
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Handy Haversack:

Oof, $42 with shipping for the LP, Niall! But I'll take a page out of your book and get it digitally.

ultradamno, can't see the message without following ...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Ok Google, Search The Shah’s wife water skiing topless
  6:22pm
jong:

Great piece of work tonight! Wow!
I really appreciate your ongoing hard work!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Ok google, search Richard Nixon speech “The Vietnamese are not fit to wage war or to
Govern themselves”

then George Bush in the Bathtub. Ok google?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
ultradamno:

@Robm kind of beside the point

@handy you're not following Renaldo & The Loaf? Have you taken leave of your senses?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Mark Hurst:

@Handy it's a good question. Of course in their public pronouncements ("we care deeply about privacy") the companies all give lip service to privacy. But in their operation - their brazenness in how they collect data, sometimes even in contrast to what's promised by their software - the companies are habituating us to the end of privacy. Actions, here, speak louder than (and contrary to) their words.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Mark Hurst:

One easy example is the current lawsuit against Google, whose "Incognito Mode" made everyone think that it was protecting their privacy but was in fact doing just the opposite. Glad to see Google get sued over this.
  6:24pm
yippie:

maybe search for Tricky Dick
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Mark Hurst:

@jong thank you
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark!

ultradamno, I never claimed to be in any kind of touch with my senses!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Mark Hurst:

@ultra just read the R&L statement. Interested to get more info on what exactly it was that Bandcamp changed.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Interesting
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Franco Twinkie:

Burn all your money then kill yourself. Problem solved.
  6:25pm
Robm:

@Ultra never thought elon had a sense if humor anyway
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
ultradamno:

You could just follow, read it and unfollow...it's a little long to post here, but the jist is BC is asking artists for unspecified personal info they aren't comfortable providing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
chresti:

TSA, FBI, CIA- scanning for trigger words related to bombs- I remember hearing about that after 9/11?
  6:26pm
morphe':

Gov't agencies have often used "private" organizations to do searches which they were technically, legally allowed to do. The most known case is, after The Church Committee imposed limitations on surveillance, etc.. us gov't agencies used right wing groups like the John Birch Society to do the work and then "legally" had over the info to us agencies...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
ultradamno:

@Robm, although he got praised at the time, his SNL hosting turn was extremely humor challenged
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
PaulRobeson1922:

@Franco Twinkie: Hang in there
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DanFA:

@ultradamno, you mean the radical far left show SNL?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Mark Hurst:

@morphe' good point. I guess what's different today is that the organizations supplying the extralegal data requests are the most powerful companies in the world.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
ultradamno:

I saw an exchange on twitter on his humor where someone observed he was desperate to be liked and the other person noted he'll do anything short of being likable to do it.

@Dan That's the one
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Handy Haversack:

Had to click a confirmation e-mail and complete four Google captchas to sign in to Bandcamp ...
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PaulRobeson1922:

I have a Kimber 45. It costs as much as a used car
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
PaulRobeson1922:

U wana borrow it? @Franco? I trust you
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StringOFperils:

Mummify me alive, and tell me I'll be secure from now on.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Niall:

Soz, @handy - I hope it'll be worth it to you!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
ultradamno:

@handy Wow, I stay signed in so I didn't know they doing that now. Sounds like what you have to do to redeem a gift card at Netflix
  6:30pm
dano59:

I feel powerless every time a site defaults to “All Cookies” as soon as I open it. Why can’t the default be essential and all others opted-out?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

I think there will be AI Robots out there actively protecting our privacy, funded by NFTs.
  6:31pm
morphe':

MH - yes clearly we live in much more vulnerable, dangerous times ...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Bas NL:

Elsewhere doesn't have enough money to buy stuff.
  6:33pm
wind:

🙏🏾
  6:33pm
yippie:

I don't think we learned how to properly regulate cars yet
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Ciggy:

Vote tomorrow
  6:34pm
Boulder Tom:

I wish I was a optimistic as she is. We have been battered by gun violence in this country, and we haven’t done anything about it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
chresti:

In California sites now have to give you the option to "opt out" of certain cookies.- like sharing with advertisers
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
PaulRobeson1922:

@Boulder Tom: buy a gun for your son.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Webhamster Henry:

I have the most egregious cookies turned off where they give you the option, but usually, you need to confirm that on EVERY SITE EVER. #baduserexperience
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Handy Haversack:

I route my VPN through Canada usually and am treated with much more civility, cookie-wise.
  6:36pm
dano59:

This is essential, infinitely helpful stuff she’s looking into. Academics saving us where the media is failing us?
(yes, I read the Times story, earlier today).
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Folsom:

Who do you talk to about WFMU website issues? Some the links are http, and Chrome and Firefox both balk at downloading .pls files that are not from https.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Webhamster Henry:

So, if you got a ladder and wrapped grounded aluminum foil around the G5 towers, could you both shut them down and get some free electricity?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
joe mulligan:

it's so screwed up how all your privacies can be thrown away in the free apps' clickthrough user agreements that people have been trained not to read
  6:37pm
Rolando:

Another excellent interview.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
DanFA:

Are they not aware or do they just have enough going on in their lives to deal with (work, family, bills, etc) that they don't have time?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Folsom email ken@wfmu.org, who will delegate the issues.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Franco Twinkie:

Carissa Veliz sound remarkably similar to Sonali Kolhatkar, an announcer/activist on KPFK in Los Angeles. Are they the same person?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Bas NL:

In Europe every site has to request if cookies are allowed by the visitor. Cumbersome, but effective.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

If you don't have a Meta ID, they may have your data via contact lists of others. Supposedly, you can have them delete you, but you have to give them some data anyway. I don't know. www.facebook.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
joe mulligan:

@DanFA yes it's that people don't think there's much harm and it's too much of a bother to deny the convenience of the apps
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
StringOFperils:

Starlink is your future leash.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
coelacanth∅:

pssst, it's already too late.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
DanFA:

I wish I could be that optimistic about people, but COVID proved otherwise
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Handy Haversack:

Folsom, I use the add-on HTTPS Everywhere in Firefox and have not had problems with the WFMU.org site.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Mark warned us!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
coelacanth∅:

most people are complete dumbasses, and will put convenience above freedom.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Franco Twinkie:

Can you be a refusenik without an assault rifle and a four wheel drive escape vehicle?
  6:42pm
Boulder Tom:

I disagree with the author, tragedy doesn’t guarantee change. Look at Sandy Hook.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Folsom:

@Handy go here and tell me what happens: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Tom. Buy the gun for your son
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jt:

What is a good alternative to Google?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Handy Haversack:

Folsom, I get the download dialogue.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
joe mulligan:

@jt DuckDuckGo
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Folsom:

@Handy now try to download it, what happens?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Elena:

@jt also - TOR browser instead of Chrome
  6:44pm
dano59:

I use DuckDuckGo almost always; but have called up the dreaded Google for more results in low-invasion-factor topics.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark maybe won't want to drive traffic to his own site, but Good Reports lists many alternatives to surveillance capitalism products. goodreports.com

Also: switching.software/

Folsom, I can DL it just fine. It's how I stream WFMU, too.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
efd:

@Folsom fwiw I clicked to download that link and Safari downloaded it with no complaints.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Franco Twinkie:

Never sit in front of your computer without pants on.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
joe mulligan:

@Franco good point! it's ironic how farther left and farther right both want free speech and privacy but for different reasons
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
StringOFperils:

All of us ARE in trouble. Just be choosier about what flavor you want.
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jt:

The Country with the most money has a collection of the bulk of our data, Liechtenstein.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
ultradamno:

Well, that would be shutting the barn door after the cows have gone out for me
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Handy Haversack:

switching.software/

WFMU Accu software can never parse that URL.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
ultradamno:

I do mostly make an effort to put on pants before going to the supermarket though.


Mostly.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Ciggy:

Here's a comment in this NY Times article by a guy named Ted Brinkley from Baltimore
"WFMU.org has a Monday evening show called Techtonic, where the host explained what else is going on with these towers: surveillance in the form of data-harvesting. Between the cell phone pings and the camera footage that these towers will be capturing, what’s left of the privacy and anonymity we supposedly still enjoy is scheduled to evaporate."
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Franco Twinkie:

Pantless shopping for the hell of it.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Folsom:

For me with Firefox and Chrome it tries to open it in VLC, then if fails says "unsecure link" if I bypass the warning then it will open in VLC automatically after that
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Analog Nights:

That times story said those Link towers were for areas underserved by 5G then the anecdotes were Ft Greene and Chelsea.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
DanFA:

One of these days Mark is gonna suffer an aneurysm live on air
  6:48pm
GC in Baltimore:

I was appalled at the supine tone of the article and submitted a comment expressing my indignation. Not sure if they published my comment. Tried to point readers to this show.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Webhamster Henry:

The popular fears about 5G are the wrong fears of 5G.
  6:48pm
dano59:

Franco: Rising Up with Carissa? The similarity ends there.
Coela: you may be on to something there
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efd:

@GC, sounds like that's your comment that @Ciggy posted above?
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jt:

Those ubs/ phone/ information/ kiosks are weird too..
  6:49pm
Glistener MW:

…for the first time ever, I’m beginning to think Tr*mp was right about the NYTimes! 🤔
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ultradamno:

Meters? Talk American!
  6:51pm
GC in Baltimore:

@Efd yes that’s my comment.
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coelacanth∅:

trump's a piece of shit, but he's not wrong about everything.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
coelacanth∅:

(same goes for biden)
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joe mulligan:

I had a recruiter begging me to interview for google ad sales with those phone/information kiosks and I refused out of ethical disagreement. he was pissed at me and for years they couldn't sell ad space/just ran PSAs
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
StringOFperils:

Future meshed crowd-control infrastructure, the insurrections WILL be televised, etc
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Fredericks:

Not blasting out energy in all directions? How's it going to hit the cell phones?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Handy Haversack:

Nice, GC!

Thanks, Mark! Crucial episode tonight.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
coelacanth∅:

i wonder if she can reach that tower with an acetylene torch
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chresti:

Haha
  6:53pm
Robm:

Mark the guy sounds like a shill
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
DanFA:

Shut up, peasant.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
joe mulligan:

haha get used to cancer while you're at it.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Technopoly

U Fear The Tower but u will grow to love the tower, they are new technology
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
chris in the redwoods:

probablysafe , yes. very short radio waves are harmful at close range, think microwave oven, but are harmless at a distance. and yeah, that guy doesn't understand antennas or radio.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Slamtonio:

the same article NYT pointed out that the towers occupy the same footprint as former public telephones, as if, This is just Progress, folks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
coelacanth∅:

big brother has your best interest in mind
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
StringOFperils:

They look like giant tampon applicators. Is that a feminist convincing strategy?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
chresti:

City Bridge Puffs
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Inverse square laws and all that.
  6:56pm
wind:

Thank you!
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Elena:

Thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
PaulRobeson1922:

I’d like to know how to talk to someone about the ill’s of Tictok
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
ultradamno:

Consortium sound more sinister to me, your mind thinks 'conspiracy' just off association of enough shared consonants
  6:56pm
yippie:

you could also call it Google LLC
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Ciggy:

Oh oh here comes PROG
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:56pm
wind:

Your gift to us is invaluable ♥️
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ultradamno:

GUS!
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Webhamster Henry:

You can focus radio waves, but in this case, the wavelengths are way too long and certainly can't track multiple focus points.
  6:57pm
wind:

My guru my future husband 😚
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ultradamno:

Entry into the poutin' shanty is dependent on NOT sharing personal data...EVER!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Take us home, Gus!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
StringOFperils:

Gus's exploits takes on a whole new meaning
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coelacanth∅:

< that woman can probably sue the city
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & Carissa!
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Deano de los Muertos:

🔥🤖
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chresti:

Looks like a good place to dry your laundry @coel
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Franco Twinkie:

So true Gus. I've sold my soul to WFMU. For what? To get attention on the chat board? I'm fucked.
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
Thanks Carisa (even though i missed the interview)
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Handy Haversack:

This Gus Bodenheim chatbot is pretty good!
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StringOFperils:

@coel > The impertinence! She'll be vaporized where she stands.
  7:00pm
Andres:

Brilliant, start to finish!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Good discussion tonight.
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coelacanth∅:

Yes!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

I like how Gus pronounces privacy.
  7:00pm
dano59:

@PaulRobeson yes TikTok is part of the coming storm and info warfare already. A good Tt topic.
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Annette:

Thank you Mark * Riveting & informative show as always!
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