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Today: Buffalo and Big Tech

Democracy Now! from Tuesday, May 17, 2022, hosted by Amy Goodman - featuring Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change

How the Buffalo massacre is part of US tradition (The Guardian, May 18, 2022), by Brandi Collins-Dexter, senior research fellow at Harvard’s Shorenstein Center: “Throughout history, we’ve seen how people defined as white react when they believe there is a threat to their way of life, whether KKK members running for school boards in the 1920s or the resurgence of the Confederate flag in the 1950s. We see what happens when the conspirators are the people in power who perceive a loss of power.” ... “this history of anti-Blackness – this othering – we see [in] the Buffalo massacre is deeply embedded in an American tradition of defining Black people as a stranger in our own land.”

• Collins-Dexter, continued: “The modern iteration of the ‘great replacement theory’ stems from Barack Obama’s election and the toxic reactions to the first Black president and what that meant for white people in the US. That combined with the rise of big tech platforms and sites like Telegram, information overload online, data voids and context collapse that we see in pockets of the internet where people are living in these Petri dishes. ... the news cycle can’t keep up, people can’t keep up and we can’t fully make sense of it.”

  - -> re “data voids and context collapse,” see the decline of local news, replaced by internet feeds

  - -> from How 4chan’s toxic culture helped radicalize Buffalo shooting suspect (The Guardian, May 18, 2022): "Besides Buffalo, both 4chan and 8chan have become politically significant forces in the US. Both boards helped form and foster QAnon, the far-right myth that Donald Trump is combating a cult of elite leftist pedophiles. The boards played a central role in constructing the lie that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump, which inspired the deadly Capitol riot on 6 January 2021." (The Guardian, May 18, 2022)

A new generation of white supremacist killer: shedding blood with internet winks, memes and livestreams (LA Times, May 15, 2022): “Now you have this new ironic world of killers,” said J.J. MacNab, a fellow at George Washington University’s program on extremism. “It’s a different world — just a constant flow of bad statistics, bad memes, bad lies about the people they want to hate.… That’s the 4chan way: You say things that are outrageous that you don’t necessarily believe — and over time you come to believe.” (See also YouTube and conspiracies like flat earth, as covered in Kelly Weill's "Off the Edge", interview from February).

• LA Times, continued... the murderer in Buffalo “lauded in his manifesto the perpetrators of racially motivated massacres in the U.S. – including [the killing of] nine Black parishioners at a church in Charleston, S.C., and [the targeting of] Latinos and immigrants at a Walmart in El Paso.”

NYS Attorney General Letitia James (May 18, 2022): “My office is launching investigations into the social media companies that the Buffalo shooter used to plan, promote, and stream his terror attack. We are investigating Twitch, 4chan, 8chan, and Discord, among others, all platforms that the shooter used to amplify this attack.”

It’s time we hold Big Tech accountable (Op-ed, Dallas Morning News, Linda Harper-Brown, Dan Flynn and Jodie Laubenberg): One bill “aimed at holding Big Tech — Google, Amazon, Meta and Apple — accountable for their unrivaled market power” is “the bipartisan American Innovation and Choice Online Act, which would prevent Big Tech from abusing its gatekeeper status to stifle competition and empower our nation’s adversaries.”

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtoffalo herd!
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Will the Sound Guy:

Hi Mark and all!!!
  6:00pm
Rolando:

Ello Ello
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chris in the redwoods:

hi, Mark. loins girded.
hi, everyone.
  6:01pm
kevlicki:

Hi mark and all, from the woods of the Hudson valley! I’m foraging while listening to the broadcast!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi all!
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shiloh in spirit:

hiii everyone
  6:02pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

Hello Mark. Hey Will!!
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ultradamno:

So, anyone seen the new Apple privacy auction commercial? A bit of a shift from the Jost-Johansson 'Siri knowing everything about you is FUN' ads.
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_Ike_:

Good evening! NYC residents, if this ep. of Techtonic makes you want to GET OUT AND VOTE, then you should see if you've been redistricted: www.thecity.nyc...
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tim from washington:

Hi Mark! Hi everyone!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends!
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Will the Sound Guy:

hi Ultradamno, Rolando Chris, Kevlicki, Bas NL, shiloh, Danny, _Ike_, tim, Webhamster Harry, and others!
  6:04pm
Rolando:

Last week was excellent!
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ultradamno:

Hiya Will!
  6:05pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

_ike_ sean patrick mahoney should resign
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chris in the redwoods:

hey, Will!
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Miss G:

Awright. I have to go but I'll just say one thing. I was standing in Hollywood Cemetery, a few years ago, which is, unfortunately, the Southern Civil War cemetery. And my visiting friend, who was from East Germany, he was kind of a First Amendment absolutist. But I said, (the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church murders had just happened) you don't understand, this kid not only read this shit, he read/listened to it 24/7, and the guy was a bit shook up. But that was nothing compared to now
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Handy Haversack:

Hey, Mark and Techyons. Not late -- was feeding the brood.

Mark's show with Matt with some great graphics on crypto and NFTs:

www.wfmu.org...
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_Ike_:

@Danny: S.P. Maloney is an *embarrassment*! I'm in the new NY-10 and I'm sad that Mondaire Jones feels compelled to carpetbag here because SPM carpetbagged his district. Pathetic. Probably voting for Niou.
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Claire from Montclair:

Buckling in!
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Handy Haversack:

ultradamno, Will, Chris, Bas (ave!), shiloh, Danny, Ike, Tim, WHHenry, Miss G, all the Techyons still passing through solid states: hey there.
  6:08pm
Morphe':

From Mona at Mid-Day=
Morphe':

DougDallas - Mark Tech - could not get my car going so had to order an E-bike and now
getting world wide bike commercials
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Webhamster Henry:

there's a story about a bug in an Etherium script with a bug in it making $34M inaccessible: decrypt.co...
  6:09pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

Absolutely I had words with him when he did an appearance in Orange County years back. He only listens to the money
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ultradamno:

Hey Handy!
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chris in the redwoods:

i had no idea twitch was owned by amazon. thanks, Mark.
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tim from washington:

Thanks for the explanation. I did not know what Twitch was.
  6:10pm
Morphe':

East Buffalo = Black and the Murderer had already done research 2-3 times...
over 200 miles from his house ...
East Buffalo = Black
  6:10pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

Hello again Handy!
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chris in the redwoods:

hey, Handy!
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Miss G:

*L* but not *L* I try to keep up, but I had no idea that Twitch was owned by Amazon. I miss my guy who kept me up to speed every morning. We called it "coffee achieving."
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Webhamster Henry:

Twitch is fun! not always livestreams of mass murder. My son was on one the other day singing Berlioz.
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Handy Haversack:

I have been redistricted! No more Maloney!
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ultradamno:

Amazon bought Twitch in 2014 www.gamedeveloper.com...
  6:13pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

This is the only place I post anything
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dday:

I'm glad I don't use any streaming services (except WFMU)
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Handy Haversack:

I put up flyers before K8's gigs, Danny, so I guess I post here and on the streets.
  6:14pm
castor:

Mark, I saw Yann LeCun, the AI guy at Meta, Saturday night at the "Night of Ideas" at the Brooklyn library, giving a talk titled "AI in Defense of Liberal Democracy" Suffice it to say it was very frustrating to listen to and then have him leave without taking any questions. If I was braver and knew he would do that I would have just heckled him!
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Miss G:

OK *gripping my chair arms* it's my job to listen to this and tell my friends/acquaintances, so. . .listening very intently. (but I really would like to watch the video of "Cars with the Boom" OK that is not funny)
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joe mulligan:

That is crazy Twitch did the right thing and FB didn't. Are there any organizations we can support who are dedicated towards righting these wrongs by big tech/social media? For example Human Rights Watch for social media
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Webhamster Henry:

FB literally took down this post by my friend:
My fridge makes ice.
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dday:

The "virality" of horrible videos on any service, is as much a function of a societal sickness as it is a failing of the services that stream them. If there wasn't an audience for such disgusting content, it wouldn't get millions of views. Very sad.
  6:18pm
Morphe':

Cornell West :
Trump isn’t out there with a gun, but he’s enabled this war against black people
Cornel West
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/21/trump-black-white-supremacy-buffalo-joe-biden
  6:19pm
castor:

He was all about how the AI does the important work to take down hate speech, how more technology will solve all our social problems, how we're all gonna be wearing smart glasses all the time soon, how Facebook is learning from its mistakes to solve these issues... My friend and I were like, You can't use technology as a solution for Political Problems while maintaining that your FOR PROFIT technology is inherently neutral!
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Handy Haversack:

Did Twitch do the right thing? Two minutes seems like an eternity in this context. And the manifesto, posted on a SM platform ... I don't think anyone did the right thing here.

dday: when the multibillion-dollar profit motive is engagement at any cost, the appetite for extreme content is created, stoked, and maintained as the weaponized strategy of growth at any cost. It is very close to blaming the victims -- literally, all of us who are commodified and monetized by Big Tech -- to say that there's an appetite the preexists the platforms. That "societal sickness" IS the surveillance capitalism that these companies exemplify.
  6:20pm
bobobob:

Jeff Fuckin Miser Bezos needs to donate millions of his ill gotton gains to those families in Buffalo !!!!!!!!
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tim from washington:

@Webhamster - What am I missing about that quote that would be flagged to FB?
  6:21pm
chresti - in Frisco:

Hi mark and tech knots !
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tim from washington:

@bobobob - Yes!!!!!
  6:23pm
castor:

Anyway, I wish you were there Mark to tell him off!
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chris in the redwoods:

that would be a start, bobobob.

hey, chresti in the city by the bay!
  6:23pm
Matt from OK:

I was listening to the previous show and enjoyed one of songs. I went to YouTube, found the song to save to a playlist to listen to later. I scrolled down and the second video suggested by the platform was a f’n Tucker Carlson video from Fox News. I’m wondering if this is Fox paying to push content or something determined by an algorithm, or both. In any event, it makes no sense to push that kind of content given the music video I was looking for.
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DjLorraine:

Oh my.
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Handy Haversack:

That's the letter U and the numeral 2.

(Do not go to 4Chan!)
  6:25pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

Brilliant Handy
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Miss G:

Ali Smith novelistic idea "SA4A"
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ultradamno:

Waiting for 12Chan to bring the real industrial strength stuff.
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_Ike_:

As always, for more on Q, check out the sometimes-hilarious podcast QAnon Anonymous, which even frequently goes undercover at Q conventions, including recently a *UFO and Q* convention!!!
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Handy Haversack:

See cup.columbia.edu...

4Chan and 8Chan "memes" are heavily monetized. There are right-wing groups that use powerful PR techniques to create these memes and lies -- NOT out of political conviction but because they MAKE MONEY off of these beliefs that, out here in the meatspace where politics and capitalism takes its price in human bodies, leads to things like Buffalo. But someone is making money. The political content is always second to the money as far as the capitalist class is concerned.
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Danny in Poughkeepsie:

After this show I am going to listen to Dave Emory to bring down my rage
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Miss G:

Thank you Matt from OK for telling your experience. I have such an enclosed system, I don't always know what is going on outside there.
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shiloh in spirit:

Some people that I know used 4chan for anime and music discussion and have started using it less or stopped using it outright because mods of respective boards are starting to get lazy and aren't deleting the trashy radically political posts that are entirely off topic to threads. /pol/ (the politics board) is leaking into other spaces on the site as turmoil increases. It has been many years since I've browsed the boards I used to as well.
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chresti - in Frisco:

Hey chris I’m the woods!
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chris in the redwoods:

yup, Handy.
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ultradamno:

Bad Memes must be a band name by now.
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dday:

in my opinion, the beginning of all of this was network televisions rise in "reality television." Cheap, easy to make, wildly popular, CONTENT. We have turned LIFE, into CONTENT and business people of the current generation saw an opportunity to make billions of dollars, showing THE WORST of human behavior, for profit. Now we can't seem to close the box .
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kevlicki:

You’re welcome mark, appreciate you covering this!
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Handy Haversack:

You rock, kevlicki!
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MarciB:

And let's not forget the RW oligarchs that are funding all of this -Thiel and his ilk. Dark times.
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dday:

Sorry Handy, I do not agree. The problem is as I stated above. I will NEVER blame the victims of any violence , but there is a group of sick people who thrive on it.
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EyeballKid:

If YouTube can identify the Beatles song that I used as the soundtrack to my home video and pull the soundtrack, how is it even remotely possible that YouTube could not identify a particular (snuff) video and block it entirely? Algorithmically, it has to be not very hard and totally wthin their current abilities.
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Handy Haversack:

Follow the money, dday. Techniques for manipulating and creating appetite have been perfected for a hundred years. The people who make MONEY off creating that sickness love when we blame the sick for the problem.
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ultradamno:

You know, we used to have to go to a store and rent Faces Of Death...and then most of it was fake
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joe mulligan:

very good points Handy@6:19
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melinda:

hi everyone
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tim from washington:

Fuckin a. That's totally right.We shouldn't have to beg tech to monitor itself when bad shit gets amplified. Regulations NEED to be in place.
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Miss G:

Richard Powers novel "Gain"
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Handy Haversack:

Apocalypse Pooh was real, though, ultradamno.
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MarciB:

Regulations will never happen - too many congresscritters bought off and corrupt, sadly
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Danny in Poughkeepsie:

It is money all around. Tech companies. Politicians. Same thing
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joe mulligan:

there HAS to be some organization that's dedicated towards watching big tech. government regualtion sounds nice but it seems that we're pretty far away from that and there needs to be lobbying organizations or else the laws won't happen
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tim from washington:

Also. DO NOT let amoral frat boys run anything, let alone big tech.
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chris in the redwoods:

dday, news media have been creating/protecting capitalist markets since the beginning. it didn't begin with faux reality tv, mate.
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MarciB:

There mainstream media just yawns over this.
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Webhamster Henry:

It's going to be less accountable when algorithms write algorithms.
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dday:

Handy..THAT (Follow The Money) is what I have been saying forever. I'm probably 20 years older than you & believe me, the things we are seeing are NOT new. They are however amplified by technology. Sadly , I do not have the answer as MONEY/POWER has driven the human condition since the beginning of time. Good discussion (I never argue, I discuss) :)
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WR:

The internet news click the link bait approach (on all platforms) coming to dominance, the narrow sensational approach to information that has existed since the start mass media (newspapers, radio, TV) has accelerated to near total dominance and distortion of people's perception of the world.
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WR:

Yes, them claiming "common carrier" status is so bogus.
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MarciB:

They are PUBLISHERS not "common carriers"
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Handy Haversack:

Trying to picture Ma Bell algorithmically incentivizing us to stay on the phone all the time back when we had to pay long-distance rates.

We should have stopped innovating after free long distance!
  6:42pm
Sam:

But even if they’re choosing to publish hateful stuff, how is that denying anyone their civil rights? There’s no “right” to be protected from ugly speech and ideas.
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dday:

MARS..we've f'ed up Earth so let's go to MARS..ridiculous
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Webhamster Henry:

See what happens to honest auto manufacturers by watching TUCKER: THE MAN AND HIS DREAMS
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Handy Haversack:

Tell a publishing company's legal team that, Sam.
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WR:

Sam, he's playing the answer to your point now.
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ultradamno:

Pretty funny comment on earthlings fleeing to mars on the first ep of the new season of Netflix's Love Death + Robots
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, Mark and techto-fed-ups!
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Miss G:

Thank you Mark Hurst, it helps, many people i know like "podcast" vs the written word, so it is very helpful, and I will try to disseminate. . .
  6:45pm
Rolando:

Tricky cause these platforms also manipulate topics they wish to promote, which are often not palatable to either of the fringes
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melinda:

@Sam true
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Starbuck's & McRalph's pulled out of Russia this week, so there's that.
  6:47pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

Webmaster Henry. Exactly!!!
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chris in the redwoods:

so true, ultradamno. love those shorts :)
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MarciB:

Always follow the money
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WR:

Thanks for playing Rashad Robinson, had read about him in Fast Company, had not searched online to hear him speaking.
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Miss G:

Can I just say one thing from a girl, who read science fiction, James Tiptree Jr. and Philip K. Dick, since the 70s. . .what did they think would happen?! I could have told them! Ach, signing off now
  6:48pm
Sam:

I agree the tech companies are lousy, immoral sleazebags, but I’m just not sure they’re actually violating anybody’s rights. That’s a tough one to prove. That’s why it’s hard to stop them.
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joe mulligan:

seriously there needs to be a lobbyist group/NGO for the safety of society and humanity within social media
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Handy Haversack:

Rights might not be a useful framework to think of this. Publishers have a *duty* not to publish hate speech that leads to acts of murder. And they can be prosecuted if they do. Because even America has to act like it thinks murder is wrong sometimes. So there's no right that keeps Facebook and Google from being liable -- just a bought and paid-for statute.
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WR:

The algorithm gets to play with the content while the human moderators try to do damage control according to guidelines they've been given.

PS: These major tech companies will not go away with the algorithms going away, but growth they have had won't continue.
  6:52pm
Tom from Stirling.:

Barry's girlfriend's popular TV show got cancelled based on an algorithm. She got almost as mad as Mark Hurst is now.
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tim from washington:

How do you get them to listen when they obviously don't give a shit?
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melinda:

From what I understand rolling back 230 would be terrible for everyone but the giant companies who can afford to litigate the liability they would then be exposed to, the focus should be on algorithms instead.
  6:53pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

Section 230 sounds like a well established militia
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ultradamno:

Stop saying Snuff! It really demeans the creativity and production value of professionally produced fetish murder videos!
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melinda:

@ultra-d haha
  6:54pm
Tom from Stirling.:

Barry is a great show.
  6:55pm
chresti - in Frisco:

Thanks Mark!
  6:55pm
Greg from ZONE 5:

Thanks as always, Mark!
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Feldy:

Agreed 100% Mark
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tim from washington:

Thanks, Mark!
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arb:

KILL THE ALGORITHM!
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Miss G:

Thank you Mark!
  6:55pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie:

As always. Thank you Mark
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melinda:

thanks Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

Many thanks, Mark! This was a big one, and crucial. Keep on fighting!
  6:56pm
Rolando:

My time says there are 5 minutes left ?
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Fishtown Mike:

Great show, Mark. It was dark, but it needed to be dark. Well done.
  6:56pm
Tom from Stirling.:

At least Congress is investigating UFOs.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  6:56pm
hoeg:

thanks so much Mark, hope you had a nice trip and hope you got time to chill the heck out :D
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chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark!
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Stillwell Coney Islander:

Thank you Mark. I appreciate the information you shared tonight.
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tim from washington:

Dennis DeYoung? I loved Styx!
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joe mulligan:

excellent show thanks Mark and all!
  6:57pm
Rolando:

Melinda, great point. Bloggers could be included.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Just say "No" to algorithms!
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Webhamster Henry:

Thanks! 'til next week's audio doom scroll!
  6:57pm
Sam:

So, it sounds like there is no solution? Tell Congress to make them stop using algorithms? Does congress have that power, even if it wanted to?
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shiloh in spirit:

Thanks Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone - appreciate you being here.
  6:59pm
Rolando:

Mark, you are amazing, just wish you had a much wider audience.
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Mennlinn Rebarts:

Thanks, Mark! This outro track helped calm me down a bit :)
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Webhamster Henry:

You can clarify that the use of algorithms is an editorial process, which makes these companies not neutral providers of data , but editorial in nature, and therefore subject to those kinds of existing laws.
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Mark Hurst:

@Mennlinn that was the idea, a little audio reset
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Sam:

Thanks webhamster
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dday:

Some of today's "publishers" live by the same adage of the old newspaper publishers adage "If it bleed, it leads." Content is content whether streamed or printed. We'd like to think we've progressed, but some have not when dollar signs are all that drives them. G'night all.
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Miss G:

I have to listen to this again. . .I'm so upset because you know. . .we had to eat food and stuff. . .
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Mark Hurst:

Correction: The Dennis Young album "Voyager" isn't new, as I said, since Dennis recorded the album in the 1990s. I think it was recently picked up by Shimmering Moods.
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