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Favoriting January 17, 2022: Darren Byler, author, "In the Camps: China's High-Tech Penal Colony"

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Tonight: Darren Byler, author, In the Camps: China's High-Tech Penal Colony

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In the Camps: China's High-Tech Penal Colony, by Darren Byler

Terror Capitalism: Uyghur Dispossession and Masculinity in a Chinese City - read (PDF) the book's introduction

Darren Byler's columns at SupChina.com

@dtbyler (Twitter)

Amelia Pang on Techtonic, June 7, 2021. See also her book Made In China: A Prisoner, an SOS Letter, and the Hidden Cost of America's Cheap Goods, by Amelia Pang, now out in paperback.

• "Nobody cares about what's happening to the Uyghurs, okay?" - ex-Facebook exec (and co-owner of the Golden State Warriors) Chamath Palihapitiya, co-host of the All-In Podcast, Jan 15, 2022

Video of "The Day Computers Became Obsolete" (helpfully shows lyrics)

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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Gotta get the Techgin poured, but more than ready for some Techtonic ...
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techscursionists!
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Niall:

@handy: Josephine Foster, perhaps?
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
lpfnrobin:

Hi Mark! Jeesh such crossover chatter on the FM today
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WR:

Harsh subject. Bring it on.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
BillyLundun:

Hallo Hallo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
LCBD:

Good evening Mark, Handy, and listeners!
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HyperDose:

Mark Hurst helps the nanobots go down 👾🥤
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Stillwell Coney Islander:

Hi Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Niall! Hi, LCBD, David, ultradamno, Stillwell, James, WR, all!

Not that I went anywhere today, but the Black Sabbath BLM shirt has replaced WFMU shirts for the day.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Techtonic listeners - I'm bracing for a scary show today.
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ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
  6:06pm
Sam:

Good for you Mark coming back to this topic. This needs to be exposed as much as possible.
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Claire from Montclair:

The episode with Amelia Pang was fascinating!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and techtoforms. From the "What Could Possibly Go Wring?" department, citizens in a Texas town can register to receive traffic violations via text message: www.techtimes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining & sticking with me this evening - this is an especially important interview & topic.
  Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
lpfnrobin:

MarkH comes through loud and clear.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

@Sam @Claire thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Ike:

Uh oh! Don't get me started on China and the small minority of American leftists, the "tankies", who deny that the concentration camps exist or that China is totalitarian and surveillance-oriented. Some of them are like, "The Hong Kong protestors are just CIA plants!" WTF?!? One FMU DJ is even a tankie. Disturbing shit.
  Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
lpfnrobin:

It I difficult to know what server your on. So, you'd better just understand your inconsistencies
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Fredericks:

"Tankie?" Implying "in the tank?" Sorry, I just got here.
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LCBD:

Thanks Mark for often bringing up subjects that are hard to hear about but, as you said, so important to not ignore.
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chris in the redwoods:

hi, Mark and folks. tuned in for some learning'.
Ike, yeah, i know a tankie. and i've heard some of the stuff on that DJs show... some of it compelling material.
  6:11pm
Alex from BK:

Thanks for going deeper into this topic Mark
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! All!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
PaulRobeson1920:

Hi everyone! Warm greetings from Huntington NY!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

@Bas @Alek @chris @LCBD and others - thanks for joining in tonight
  Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
lpfnrobin:

Rings...my monitoring device keeps talking about rings....its a little annoying
  Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
lpfnrobin:

Especially when it tells you to stand at 3 AM in the morning when you thought you were asleep....
  6:18pm
Sam:

Sounds like Palestine
  6:19pm
Jackie G:

Well? Is this a short interview? We got one hour and....
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Juli:

Whut happened?
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chris in the redwoods:

whoa. just got stream-shifted. first time for me.
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Vanessa bikes:

been hacked by china?
  6:21pm
Jackie G:

China must be disrupting the transmission. Or something
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Folsom:

I'm interested in finding out the tankie DJ
  6:21pm
Darren:

Hi everyone, happy to take any questions you might have.
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Ike:

@Fredericks, on the origin of "tankies":
en.wikipedia.org...
But it's come to mean pro-Xi and/or pro-Putin in general, and particularly believing that Xi is a great model leftist and/or that Putin is a leftist or communist at all (which is especially bizarre given that Putin is openly nationalistic, militaristic, anti-LGBTQ+, and blatantly NOT leftist).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Vanessa bikes:

Hi Darren, stream is playing music, interview got interrupted!
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Ike:

Oops, Pro-Xi and/or pro-Putin far leftists, that is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
LCBD:

You and me both, Folsom! Hmmmm
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Mark Hurst:

Let's please focus on the interview tonight - I'm not interested in any negative comments about anyone at WFMU
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Claire from Montclair:

Terrestrial radio was fine.
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WR:

Who owns the infrastructure and the data trails...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Mark Hurst:

Darren, thanks for joining in this evening!
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LCBD:

You're right, Mark. Sorry about that
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lpfnrobin:

2nd Claire
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Mark Hurst:

Everyone, meet Darren Byler - Darren, meet everyone :)
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chresti:

Hi Mark and Techtonians!
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Vanessa bikes:

well I paused and restarted and the interview is back. very spooky.
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lpfnrobin:

Thank you Mark and Darren!!! Wow
  6:24pm
Jackie G:

Can't hear the interview on the stream
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Ike:

Sorry, my original goal was to simply point out that some people deny any of this even exists, but then I went off on a tangent. My apologies, I didn't mean to do that. I'm an expert at tangents.
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chresti:

I'm listening via app, the pop-up in the other room turned into music?
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chresti:

The app is working
  6:25pm
Jackie G:

got it finally
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chresti:

refreshing fixed it
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Fredericks:

Scan your phone how? Do they have to plug into it or can they just wave a wand over it?
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Mark Hurst:

@Ike that's fine, thanks
  6:28pm
Listener Robert:

The veil is a tricky issue. Is it freedom TO wear it? Or freedom FROM it? How do we know in any individual case whether the woman really wants to wear it or is made to wear it by men?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Mark Hurst:

@Fredericks I think plug it in, but Darren could weigh in
  6:29pm
Darren:

They plug a device into a phone using a USB cable. It scans the phone and gives the technician an assessment of the person's digital activity.
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Bas NL:

Hard to grasp this is happening on this very planet..
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

As someone who tends to identify as Socialist - feel compelled to note what I think is obvious : This is the precise inversion of Marxist Worker Self-Rule. In fact - it makes me think of the sometimes over-cozy relation between Capitalism & Fascism.
  6:31pm
Sam:

“But I didn’t commit a crime!”
“Yeah, that’s what all the criminals say before they’ve done it!”
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Fredericks:

Thanks, Ike. I'll dig deeper later.
  6:31pm
Darren:

The politics of the veil are complicated. They can be a tool of patriarchy, or a form of female liberation. This is the best academic book on the topic I've seen: https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691149806/politics-of-piety
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Mark Hurst:

Sorry, I should've said Professor Byler!
  6:31pm
Listener Robert:

Thanks, Darren. Where I draw the line is whether the woman has a reasonable way out of a relationship.
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Mark Hurst:

@Sam heh
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MarciB:

This is heartbreaking, infuriating, terrifying...and all I can think of is.. will it happen here? I worry that it will. And the fact that there is little to no word of this from the MSM...
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lpfnrobin:

Sustain but not get bored. I guess thats one way how the game it goes, around 'gain
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Megaroni:

Thank you Darren for your courage to be a voice for these people facing such injustice & Mark for giving this a platform
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Handy Haversack:

We published some more academic histories of the Uyghurs as a people: cup.columbia.edu... . Full disclosure: "we" = my job.
  6:33pm
Darren:

it is important to ask Muslim women what they want, otherwise this politics can be used to extend a fundamentally false form of feminism, a kind of imperialist feminism: https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674725164
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coelacanth∅:

if it got more press it'd be considerably more difficult to initiate it in the us, in a (very) few years.
the press is tightly controlled here, as anyone with eyes can see.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...as George Carlin noted - certain German Nazi factories were strategically spared. What the Powers That Be *really* didn't like was *the competition*...
Full bore Orwell & Kafka & the whole shelf of expositions...
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chresti:

That's torture!
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Mark Hurst:

@Marcib @Megaroni huge amount of credit to Darren, for doing the years of research - and credit to the former detainees who were brave enough to tell their stories
  6:35pm
Listener Robert:

Thanks for the book reference, Darren. Not worth my while at that price, but I see Abe Books has copies in good condition for a fraction of that.
  6:35pm
Jackie G:

All this horror and China is hosting the Winter Olympics. Any country boycotting the games this year? Nope
  6:36pm
timinoak:

Informative and alarming. Thank you for researching and presenting it.
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Fredericks:

Darren, that sounds oppressive and ultra-creepy. Clearing your History probably wouldn't help, would it?
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MarciB:

Yess, @ Darren and @Mark thank you both for bringing these horrendous 1984-style situation to light.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...parrallel to the Duhbya & Drumpf eras in the little ol' USA ...'waterboarding in Guantanamo sounds like a fun time till you know what any of those words mean'...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Mark Hurst:

@chresti it absolutely is, and Darren's book has much more detail than we're going into during the interview. Nightmare material - and important to know about, though very difficult
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PaulRobeson1920:

Sounds like forcing farmers off their land and into factories is the opposite of American ideals… in the Early Republic, Jefferson envisioned the ideal American as a “Yeoman farmer” beholden to no one or any interests beyond their farm & family
(This is without touching on the slave society that existed in the Americas- a total institution/The Peculiar Institution)
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chris in the redwoods:

this is just miserable to hear. damn it. so important. Darren, have you asked any media outlet folks why this doesn't get coverage?
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MarciB:

Where is the outrage from Muslim countries too? Maybe there is but I haven't heard anything.
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Ike:

Another tangent that's hopefully more welcome: There is a Uighur food stall in the New World Mall food court, in Flushing, Queens, called Tarim, among other Uighur establishments. Not sure if this is updated:
www.theinfatuation.com...
Support your local Uighur restaurants if you have any!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
chris in the redwoods:

ah ha. there it is.
  6:39pm
Sam:

Shouldn’t we be implicating Apple and Disney and all the companies that prop up the Chinese govt?
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lpfnrobin:

George Carlin - Big Club...and membership
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MarciB:

@Ike- we're in western Queens and will check it out!
  6:39pm
Darren:

@PaulRobeson1920 in my academic work I make an argument quite similar to this, that it is part of economic or capitalist frontier making, pushing people off the land and into either the prison or factory. https://www.dukeupress.edu/terror-capitalism
  6:40pm
Sam:

Disney. It’s a small world after all.
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Vanessa bikes:

stream interrupted again.. but pause /restart fixes it quick. very odd.
great interview topic. So glad to hear more about this.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's straight Marx in 1848 actually, Darren.
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Mark Hurst:

I've also posted Indiebound links to both of Darren's books at left. (If you're reading this in the future, they're at the top of this page.)
  6:41pm
Darren:

@Chris in the Redwoods, I think it has as much to do with the US new consumer attention span as anything else. I did talk about this with Chris Hayes at MSNBC and there are other interview in the works.
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Mark Hurst:

(Also linked to a PDF of the introduction to the Terror Capitalism book.)
  6:41pm
mazudog:

I know you try to emphasize this, but I fear sometimes that these stories, as important as they are, are being used to justify sinophobia. This technology is also being used on the Han Chinese population, and as Mark often points out, is likely increasingly being used on people around the world including US citizens. I wonder if we're all committing a thought crime by even listening to this episode.
  6:43pm
Darren:

@revolution rabbit. That's right. Marx is an important source for understanding original accumulation
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...Marx acknowledged that Capitalism is better than FEUDALISM which is better than outright Slavery. But it's explicit in this that they define a straight line. Seeing where the Line points forward - there is everywhere the both brutal & subtle push to return to Feudalism. There - & here.
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coelacanth∅:

mazu we are definitely being monitored. we all have files.
  6:43pm
Tamar:

it's amazing that you were able to get this information, Darren, and major props for getting it out there. I was in Xinjiang in 1995, before any of this, or any inkling of it. It's all terribly horrifying. (Veils not common, btw, headscarves for married women, more common, but I was mostly in cities and towns.)
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

There are *100s* of U.S. Intelligence Agencies.
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chresti:

Just now we could hear ARB??! On our connection with the pop-up
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Posited on Techtonic :
...'What Are People *For* ??'...
  Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
lpfnrobin:

When a question becomes a crime....... what does that say for leadership? You need to see whats going on and realize there's a lot of stuff to fix....also this is a leadership 'cult' question not anything else
  6:47pm
Darren:

@masudog I worry a lot about this as well. This is why it is important to foreground all of this as part of a global tech and cheap labour outsourcing economy and a political and military system that disproportionately target Muslim populations, and other ethno-racial minorities around the world.
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Handy Haversack:

Yes, Darren, exactly -- just like in the image Mark has in the playlist. Global capital exerting population control and surveillance. Breaking the surface in China, but the bubbles are here and everywhere as well.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Racism & Nationalism - where to get the crowbar in-between them...
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chris in the redwoods:

thanks so much, Darren and Mark. holy hell. we are in our own dystopian future.
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lpfnrobin:

Software...RR63
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Baja Joe:

Very insightful. Good work Mark, bringing this forward.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Certainly worth noting that the 1 Billion 300 Million Chinese & the vast diaspora cannot logically or compassionately be tarred with the same brush.
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Niall:

Worth noting we have well-established "pre-crime" initiatives in the US, too. Hard to imagine politicians throwing stones lest we notice our own glass houses.
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maestroso:

The stream keeps shifting; I'm hearing music now. I'm going to have to bail and listen on the archive.
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Handy Haversack:

Rev Rab! Did the packages reach you?
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Niall:

@maestroso: FWIW, it's been rock-solid on the iOS app here.
  6:53pm
Listener Robert:

Careful with where you point that! "Never again"...do you really want to go all the places that leads?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Niall - what the USA does matters this way for the Global 'Overton Window'.
Handy - I'll check tonight !
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

No stream probs here with stolen WiFis & iTunes in NewHampshuh...
  6:54pm
Corey in AZ:

Mark, thank you, thank you, thank you. Never, should this be happening.
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Fredericks:

Power; not prominence.
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coelacanth∅:

it's well underway in the us... not just racial, but also "poor" people (thank you "build back better" scam)
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Niall:

@Revolution Rabbit - oh, yeah, lots of countries taking notes. Awful, vicious circle.
  Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
lpfnrobin:

Sick people with too much power
  6:55pm
Sam:

Ubiquitous surveillance is a great way to punch people who are already down. It makes it so much easier for lazy cops to bust some poor bastard drinking a beer or rolling a joint or taking a whizz in the park so they can fine him his last $100 or better yet lock him up cuz he can’t pay.
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Niall:

Who was that "below my line" guy?
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maestroso:

@Niall: Yeah, I'm using an old iphone 4s for streaming. The WFMU app is getting more and more dodgy on that phone.
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ultradamno:

Well, it's hard and ugly...he's got that much right.
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Niall:

Ah, I can get that from context, now.
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Handy Haversack:

Thank you, Mark. We had someone over during most of the show, so I will revisit in the Archive. Darren, thanks so much for being on the board!
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Jeff Moore:

Surprise: billionaire surveillance capitalist is sociopath.
  6:56pm
Listener Robert:

One of their problems is that Ouighur sounds like Wigger. The sounds of words does have an effect on people's thinking and attention.
  Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
lpfnrobin:

Thanks Mark - hang in there were here
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Handy Haversack:

And your passion for this is just so necessary, Mark. Sincere gratitude.
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Bas NL:

Word.
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listener 126464:

I hear you Mark.
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Yvang:

Well said!
  6:57pm
NikiA:

Mark 🖤
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Megaroni:

Thank you Mark, you’re a bright light
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chresti:

Unbelievable, thanks Mark!
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Niall:

Much love for @Mark Hurst.
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HyperDose:

Great show, Sir Hurst of the Tech!
  6:57pm
Joe:

Thank you, Mark.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...also - for the USA ...they are Muslim. I think that matters. Again - the USA didn't enter the War because of the Nazi Camps.
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Bas NL:

Thanks for showing your teeth Mark!
  6:57pm
simone:

Thanks so much Mark, I'm with you.
  6:58pm
Listener Robert:

Like in the war between the Hutus and the Tutsis, Tutsi sounds like "Tootsie", and the alternate name Watusi has its own connotations.
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Webhamster Henry:

"Let them die and decrease the surplus population." -- Scrooge 2022
  6:58pm
Darren:

Thanks for that Mark! And thanks for your interest in this everyone.
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Bas NL:

And thanks Darren for sharing.
  6:58pm
Jackie G:

Wow, Mark. Thank you for caring so much. It is an outrage and not enough people care. When is the change gonna happen? When?
  6:58pm
Listener Robert:

Those considerations are true, Rabbit.
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DjLorraine:

I feel better when people speak the hard truth. So Rare..TY
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Vanessa bikes:

Hang in there Mark, we hear you! you are doing something that few of us are doing, I've been aware of oppression of minorities in China since I was a teenager at a women's rally in DC in 92 and what have I done? thank you!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, for being with me this evening. Thanks again to Darren for joining us on the comment board.
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PaulRobeson1920:

Are there any photos of the camps? Any photo evidence?

In LA/San Fran it would seem most of the wealthy folks don’t care about the unhoused people in their own neighborhoods. When those who have the power to effect change don’t care to help people they can see with their own eyes… that facebook billionaire is telling you what his friends really think

Thank you mark!!! Telling it like it is!
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coelacanth∅:

Thank you Mark. Thank you Darren.
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Claire from Montclair:

I’m going to share this episode with my family. Thank you Mark! And Professor Byler!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

WebHenry - in China - the surface population is actually a factor in all psychologies & strategies...
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Ike:

Thank you for your passion, Mark! We need more people who will call out every outrage in the world -- not just ours, not just the terrible things the CIA does or did in the past (don't get me wrong, I'm no fan), but every government, on the "left" or on the "right", no matter where it is!
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lpfnrobin:

Mark - your getting an essay....stay 'here' with us
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WR:

Goddammit Mark you have me crying in anger and desperation with your voice cracking just then.

Yes a whole "nation" is being "re-educated" out of existence.

Fuxxxx.

Thank you Mark and thank you Darren Byler.
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Handy Haversack:

Deep, sincere, and heartfelt thanks, Mark, for your passion and insistence that we confront the injustice and atrocity we permit in the name of convenience.
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Ike:

@PR1920: www.theguardian.com...
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Richy4619:

What Handy said. TY Mark, Darren & co.
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PaulRobeson1920:

@Ike: Thanks for that Ike… I was thinking photos from the inside- like the photos that came out of prisons in Alabama last year…
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Miss G:

Thank you for this Mark Hurst. And as always, appreciate the links for further research/dissemination.
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Jeanne:

Thank you Mark. Your show is an outstanding source of information and insight.
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