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Favoriting January 14, 2018: For Rev. King...& you.

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Artist Track Album Label Year Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble  Tatas-Matoes   Favoriting Congliptious  Nessa  1968  0:00:00 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Sun Ra 

The Perfect Man   Favoriting

My Brother the Wind, Vol. 1 

Saturn Research  

1970 

0:02:48 (Pop-up)
Adam Rudolph's Moving Pictures  Wonderings   Favoriting Glare of the Tiger  Meta Records  2017  0:07:28 (Pop-up)
Josh McCowen  For Korv   Favoriting Solo Contra  International Anthem  2017  0:19:56 (Pop-up)
Kokotob  Wellen   Favoriting Flying Heart  Clean Feed  2017  0:25:14 (Pop-up)
Bordreuil/Rowden  No Name III   Favoriting "Hollow"  No Rent Records  2017  0:32:00 (Pop-up)
Jean-Brice Godet  No Logo   Favoriting Lignes de Crêtes  Clean Feed  2017  0:36:10 (Pop-up)
Windy & Carl  Watching the Stars   Favoriting Blues for a UFO  [self-released]  2017  0:41:51 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Chaz Jankel 

To Woo Lady Kong   Favoriting

 

 

 

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Oliver Lake Quartet  King   Favoriting Clevont Fitzhubert (A Good Friend of Mine)  Black Saint  1981  0:56:43 (Pop-up)
John and Alice Coltrane  Rev. King   Favoriting Cosmic Music  Coltrane Records/Impulse!  1968  1:04:52 (Pop-up)
Carsten Meinert Kvartet  Requiem for Martin Luther King   Favoriting To You  M. S. Records  1968  1:15:47 (Pop-up)
Nancy Dupree and a Group of Rochester, NY Youngsters  Docta King   Favoriting Ghetto Reality  Asch Records / Smithsonian Folkways   1970  1:20:13 (Pop-up)
Wadada Leo Smith  Martin Luther King, Jr: Memphis, the Prophecy   Favoriting Ten Freedom Summers  Cuneiform Records  2012  1:25:18 (Pop-up)
The Julius Hemphill Sextet  At Dr. King's Table/Ascension   Favoriting At Dr. King's Table  New World Records   1997  1:46:45 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Booker T. & the MGs 

Melting Pot   Favoriting

 

 

 

1:51:00 (Pop-up)
Harriet Tubman  President Obama's Speech at the Selma Bridge   Favoriting Araminta  Sunnyside  2017  1:57:54 (Pop-up)
Stark Reality  On Being Black   Favoriting Acting, Thinking, Feeling  Now-Again Records  ??/2013  2:04:26 (Pop-up)
Manfred Schulze Bläserquintett  Choral Für Dr. Martin Luther King   Favoriting Viertens  FMP  1988  2:09:42 (Pop-up)
Roy Campbell Pyramid Trio  Malcolm, Martin & Mandela   Favoriting Ethnic Stew and Brew  Delmark  2001  2:15:31 (Pop-up)
Fred Van Hove  Requiem for Che Guevara, Martin Luther King, John Fitzgerald and Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X   Favoriting Requiem for Che Guevara / Psalmuus Spei  MPS Records  1969  2:27:10 (Pop-up)
Baikida Carroll  King   Favoriting Door of the Cage  Soul Note  1994  2:43:44 (Pop-up)
Aretha Franklin  People Get Ready   Favoriting Lady Soul  Atlantic  1968  3:07:53 (Pop-up)
The Impressions  Keep on Pushing   Favoriting Keep on Pushing  ABC Paramount  1964  3:09:16 (Pop-up)
The Heptones  A Change Is Gonna Come   Favoriting b-side to "Nobody Knows"  Muzik City  1968  3:12:28 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Dudu Pukwana & Spear 

Flute Music   Favoriting

Flute Music 

Caroline 

1975 

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Listener comments!

Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 8:58am
Brian in UK:

NO UPDATES.

Hello Jeff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:59am
Jeff Golick:

No updates. Afternoon, @Brian in UK!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:01am
Uncle Michael:

Is "no updates" the new hopeful greeting?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:02am
Jeff Golick:

Yes, I believe it is. Hiya, @UM!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:02am
Brian in UK:

The last track on the stream before changeover was something.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:02am
Uncle Michael:

No updates, Jeff!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:03am
fred:

Good morning Jeff and those who stay in to head out
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:03am
Brian in UK:

I like dates....and figs for that matter.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:05am
Uncle Michael:

It's apropos. Yesterday I migrated all three studio computers to the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update...mainly because the one that a) wouldn't let me defer it any longer, and b) melted down in the process, got sussed.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:06am
Uncle Michael:

Very well-put, Jeff.
  9:07am
listener james from westwood:

Hear, hear.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:07am
Brian in UK:

I for one do not have the least idea what it is like to be black though I have tried in my mind and to live an unbiased life.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:10am
Jeff Golick:

Bienvenue, @fred.

'morning', @listener james.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:12am
Jeff Golick:

FYI I am changing up the way I've been handling cover art here, and will be uploading after the show instead of grabbing random links during the show.
  9:14am
listener james from westwood:

Just retweeted a heavy but needed thread about the acceptance of Dr. King by whites of later decades as long as he is the “safe King, the inoffensive King.” It quoted a stat that he had, at the time of his death, a 32% approval rating.
The top tweet in the thread: https://twitter.com/themattpoppe/status/952295088645902336
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:17am
Uncle Michael:

I am not optimistic that human tribalism can be "fixed." Evolutionarily speaking, it was a feature, not a bug. Societally, it's proving a bitch to move past.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:18am
Jeff Golick:

Good thread, @ljfw; thanks for sharing that. I've been to the Lorraine Hotel museum; it is a heavy place.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:21am
Brian in UK:

Nothing changes. What I find pathetic is when people apologise; sniveling cowards.
www.bbc.co.uk...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:23am
Jeff Golick:

I hear you, @UM. I think a lot of the difficulty in choosing empathy/commonality over antipathy/your-side-sucks-ism is a feeling of limited resources, a sense that one barely has enough, is at risk of "losing" -- this is pretty much the main vibe of late capitalism.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:23am
fred:

@james: good thread indeed. There was a militant side to Dr King that is often conveniently forgotten, especially about poverty
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:24am
listener james from westwood:

It was striking to see the color photo. So much of that era, even as late as '68, is made up of black-and-white news photos and coverage.
Avatar 🦀 9:24am
duke:

Good morning all
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:25am
listener james from westwood:

We're at a point where asking "Cui bono?"—"Who benefits?"—on these attitudes and the inequities they fuel is less option than duty.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:25am
Andrew Waterloo:

Good morning
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:27am
Jeff Golick:

What is up, @duke! Greetings, Andrew Waterloo! Welcome.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:27am
fred:

@Jeff: "a feeling of limited resources, a sense that one barely has enough, is at risk of losing" isn't a bug or a feature, it's the OS of capitalism (for the low 99%, that is)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:27am
Jeff Golick:

@fred: yes, King's Poor People's Movement was a much harder sell.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:29am
Uncle Michael:

I fear that our little lizard brains are wired to define commonality in the most facile and (increasingly) most toxic way.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:30am
Uncle Michael:

But, we also evolved the capacity to reason, and it's our only means of becoming more...reasonable...than our terrified, tribal selves.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:31am
Uncle Michael:

And make no mistake, in my book, the more tribal your behavior, the more cowardly I believe you are.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:32am
Uncle Michael:

I'm constantly asking myself of gun-toting, racist, "patriots," what are they so fucking scared of?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:33am
Jeff Golick:

That fear is palpable, and real, @UM. I don't rightly know, but think at base the answer is in the vicinity of "existential dread."
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:38am
Brian in UK:

Whilst we have devisive leaders people will never be able to talk in a rational and friendly manner. The best way to resolve differences is by starting to talk to each other. We will find we have more in common than we realised.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:39am
Jeff Golick:

@Brian: re the UKIP story, how does one "suspend" the girlfriend?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:40am
Brian in UK:

I had a pair of existential trousers once. Could not get them to fit properly.

Jeff she is a party member so open the door and kick her arse out.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:41am
Uncle Michael:

I think we have a fear-based community and a hope-based community and the fear-based are in power.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:41am
Uncle Michael:

And being led by their best and brightest, I might add.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:43am
Brian in UK:

It comes back to a needy, thin-skinned man at the top but he did not invent racism. He sure knows how to keep the fire stoked.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:45am
Jeff Golick:

Yah. Good on the UK for demonstrating such a lack of enthusiasm for the guy that he cancelled his trip over.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:50am
Brian in UK:

Jeff, even then to invoke the playground mentality, how the building could have been sold for more etc. Always ready to criticise others in his own country and make himself look better. Not a team player. SAD.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:52am
Andrew Waterloo:

good morning
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:55am
doctorjazz:

Morning all!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:57am
fred:

I often think about how the subway turnstiles in Paris must be inconvenient for left-handed people
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:57am
Jeff Golick:

Hi, @Andrew! I see you there.

Good morning, @doctorjazz.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:58am
Jeff Golick:

It's the same (ish) in NYC, @fred.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:05am
doctorjazz:

This Lake is purty.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:12am
fred:

I saw a dance show based on A Love Supreme this week
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:13am
Jeff Golick:

How was that, @fred?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:18am
fred:

Pretty good: each of the four dancers was related to an instrument, but that was only blatant for solo parts. It was not having a dancer mimicking the part; for instance, when the sax part was most melodic, all dancers tended to do the same thing. It was more about the musical structure than individual parts
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:19am
sberger:

Good morning all from chilly Oakland, CA. Wonderful to tune in and listen to all of this uplifting, beautiful music and read some highly intelligent, thoughtful comments. Nice place to be on a Sunday morn.
Avatar 10:21am
glenn:

hellos, fellow shitholers. shitholians?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:22am
Jeff Golick:

@sberger: Welcome and good morning to you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23am
Jeff Golick:

@fred: sounds interesting. I've found dance to be the one artform that I have a hard time getting into. Too body-focused for me, probably. (I am from New England, after all.)
Avatar 10:23am
glenn:

highly intelligent, thoughtful comments? huh.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23am
Jeff Golick:

Yo, @glenn!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25am
sberger:

@glenn indeed.
Avatar 10:27am
glenn:

you can't have read too many of mine, that's for sure.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:29am
fred:

@glenn: Trump does have a point about "other" countries sending their scum to the US though: Canada did get rid of Ted Cruz
Avatar 10:32am
glenn:

yep. but then again, ted went to texas, and most of the time, texas might as well be on another planet.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:35am
fred:

@glenn: wishful thinking
Avatar 10:36am
glenn:

i wonder if anybody thought to ask trump "why exactly would any norwegian, who already has probably the best standard of living in the world, who has universal healthcare, free university tuition, a social safety net without compare, very few guntoting lunatics, WANT to emigrate to the u.s.a.? what possible benefit could there be for that person?"
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:39am
listener james from westwood:

Uniting those within Texas who are finally disgusted with the extremes of the right would be a good task for the Dems right now. Grassroots groups are doing it, but I distrust the DNC's ability to fan these flames rather than co-opting and neutering them while trying to appeal to older white leftish folks.

@glenn: There's no asking him for nuance. He's a spoiled bigot with no object permanence who's daily reliving his 1980s heyday in a bubble of sycophants.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:41am
Jeff Golick:

Well put @ljfw. In a way, he's (a version of) America personified.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:43am
doctorjazz:

www.chicagotribune.com...

Ain't too many heading this way...
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:45am
doctorjazz:

(this Wadada Leo Smith is mighty fine...)
Avatar 10:45am
glenn:

yeah, the u.s.a. has an immigration trade deficit with norway of -350, or something like that.
  10:46am
Dean:

For a countervailing perspective, I refer all to James Fallows' series of posts at The Atlantic about goings-on across America at the local level. Not everything betokens the apocalypse.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:48am
Jeff Golick:

Hi, @Dean. Thanks for that. (But tell it to Hawaii.)
  10:48am
Dean:

One morning my 6YO (then 5 or 4, it's been a while) awoke and announced, "Daddy, I had a dream," to which I replied, "Yeah, you and Dr. Martin Luther King." My son thought that was hilarious.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:48am
fred:

@james: I can't imagine why someone would want to relive to 80s. Maybe because I was in high school at the time
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:49am
doctorjazz:

Ahhh, Hemphill's expansion of the WSQ, great stuff!
  10:50am
Listener Gregory:

Jeff, do you know the Max Roach Quartet's mash-up of the "I have a dream" speech and Roach's "It's Time"? That's a great MLK tribute (on the album Chattahoochee Red).
Avatar 10:50am
glenn:

in my opinion, america as a whole will survive trump, and be better off for having suffered this crap. i can't see the republicans making it out unscathed.
Avatar 10:51am
glenn:

okay, enough politics. 30 days until spring training starts. woohoo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:54am
sberger:

@glenn you just got here.
Avatar 10:55am
glenn:

true, but i've made many stupid comments on many other playlists.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:57am
sberger:

@glenn but not here, obviously.
Avatar 10:58am
glenn:

just wait.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:59am
fred:

@glenn: I've been there too. The arc of playlist comments is long, but it bends toward stupidity
Avatar 11:00am
glenn:

harriet tubman in st. catherines. harriettubmancanada.com...
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:01am
doctorjazz:

Brandon Ross on guitar, wow!
  11:01am
Listener Gregory:

Amazingly, my computer spell-checker knows the correct spelling of "Chattahoochee"! Who says we are not making progress??
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02am
Jeff Golick:

Belated greetings, @Listener Gregory!!
  11:03am
Listener Gregory:

I joined you belatedly, due to certain laundry issues I'd rather not dwell on. But what a great show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:03am
Jeff Golick:

Is it in THE GOOD LORD BIRD, a scene set in Canada with Tubman, Douglass, and others.?
Avatar 11:04am
glenn:

don't bite the tide pods!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:05am
Uncle Michael:

I'm heading out, gang. Have a great day, everyone. Thanks for the music and the reflection, Jeff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:05am
Jeff Golick:

Thanks, @UM! Have a good one.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06am
Jeff Golick:

Thanks, @Listener Gregory!

Yeah, what is the deal with people eating laundry pods? Asking for real.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:06am
doctorjazz:

Seem to be losing the right channel off and on, is that just on my end?
Avatar 11:06am
glenn:

sorry jeff. i don't understand your question.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:07am
fred:

Unsurprisingly, it looks like Steven "lockjaw" Mnuchin is walking back from having Harriet Tubman replace Jackson on the $20 bill
Avatar 11:07am
glenn:

jeff's asking for a "friend".
  11:07am
Listener Gregory:

I think biting pods is something that one teenager did, generating a slew of media stories on this disturbing new trend. Pictures at 11!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:09am
doctorjazz:

They turned up an Obama plan they missed, @Fred.
Avatar 11:09am
glenn:

and how come new jersey is the only place where you can't pump your own gas?
  11:10am
Dean:

Same in Oregon, or Portland, at least.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:11am
Jeff Golick:

The answer is in your question, @glenn. Rhymes with "shmersey."
  11:11am
Doug Schulkind:

DJing truth to power!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:11am
doctorjazz:

(still find the sound going in and out, great track by Schultz, though...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:12am
Jeff Golick:

@fred: that is indeed unsurprising. There's no way these people would preside over such a change.
  11:12am
Dean:

Wouldn't it be cool if you couldn't pump your own gas, but could pump somebody else's?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:12am
Jeff Golick:

@Doug!
  11:12am
Listener Gregory:

@doctor, I'm not hearing anything strange. It did take me 4 tries to get the hook-up to work, though.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:13am
fred:

Doug! How was your back-to-school week?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:13am
Jeff Golick:

Hm. Looking ok going out, but I'm usually the last to know...
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:14am
doctorjazz:

Maybe something is loose on my end (I've been told that a number of times...). Right channel comes and goes, using phone app and headphones, maybe I should change headphones...
  11:16am
Listener Gregory:

Well NOW it's totally gone. Thanks a lot, @doctor!
  11:18am
Dean:

Sure wish Roy Campbell were still among us.
  11:19am
Listener Gregory:

OK, it was just a battery that discharged--not your fault, @doctorj.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:20am
Jeff Golick:

Phewf.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:20am
doctorjazz:

Think the problem was on my end as well, Campbell sounds great (music AND sound!).
  11:22am
Listener Gregory:

The array of electronic devices keeping the music on and allowing me to work is roughly of the complexity found in an ICU.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:23am
doctorjazz:

I have this memory of seeing Campbell in some punky club...
  11:24am
Doug Schulkind:

@fred
So far, so good. 14 weeks to go.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:25am
doctorjazz:

@Doug, end of school? What then?
  11:25am
Doug Schulkind:

Now it’s back to work. Right now. Cheers to all Golickians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:26am
Jeff Golick:

Thanks for checking in at work, @Doug! Stack 'em!
  11:26am
Dean:

Pretty sure I saw Campbell at this Vision Festival: https://www.artsforart.org/vf3.html
  11:27am
rw:

Good morning! Nothing particularly thoughtful or intelligent to add to the conversation this am. Just wanted to say hello and nice show!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:28am
Brian in UK:

Jeff, got any Monty Python lined up? Just for compare and contrast, you know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:29am
Jeff Golick:

Too many requiems, @Brian? Yeah, I guess a mood switch is due.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:29am
Jeff Golick:

@rw: Thanks, and for saying hello! I mostly feel as you do!
  11:30am
Dean:

National Lampoon's "Pull the Tregroes" would fit in, sorta.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:30am
Jeff Golick:

@Dean: wow that Vision line-up is RIDICULOUS. Marion Brown!
  11:32am
Dean:

The few VFs I attended are a blur, but I know I didn't catch Marion Brown. Bah!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:33am
fred:

Or some Ayler, for the second-line fun while grieving
  11:35am
Dean:

A blur not due to artificial alteration of consciousness, but to the fact that my attendance was always at the tail end of a long trip that started with Victo. But I do remember having a beer at a "bar" in the basement of a church with Peter Brotzmann.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:35am
doctorjazz:

Gotta run, great show, good week all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:37am
Jeff Golick:

Bye, @doc!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:38am
Jeff Golick:

Belatedly, @Listener Gregory: I don't really know that Max/MLK mash-up, though think I have heard it at least once on Doug's show...
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:39am
Brian in UK:

Subtle as a mallet. Another cowardly denial.
www.bbc.co.uk...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:42am
Jeff Golick:

The BBC story that really struck me recently was the China Bureau Chief (?) and her resignation letter.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:42am
Brian in UK:

Well they offered more money but that was not the point.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:42am
Jeff Golick:

Looking forward to your tell-all, @Dean: A Beer with Brotz
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:43am
fred:

That Fred Van Hove was great
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:44am
Jeff Golick:

No noise like Euro noise, @fred.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:48am
Jeff Golick:

@Brian: the question I asked myself is, would I choose to make less money so that my wife would make more -- assuming there's these only so much to go around. Parity would mean we all meet in the middle (of course, bringing women's salaries up to men's would be the ideal).
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:52am
Brian in UK:

We have really screwed up, not only have we not eliminated poverty we now have stress as well.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:54am
Brian in UK:

Jeff, thanks for the show. In case of emergency retrieve bottle opener and put it to use.
  11:55am
Dean:

Not much to tell. I said something insightful like, "I really like your music," and he nodded graciously.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:55am
Jeff Golick:

Thanks, @Brian.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:56am
fred:

@Jeff: I don't think that's the right way to frame the issue. From what I've seen firsthand, women are not paid less because "there's only so much to go around" but because "we can get away with it". Also a lot of BS about women's abilities, but I think it comes second to the getting-away-with-it factor
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:57am
Brian in UK:

@fred aka boys club.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:59am
Jeff Golick:

@fred: that may be so. And I generally agree. But I think change means we all have to deal with a certain level of discomfort, and possible "giving something up" in the short term.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 12:01pm
listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Jeff!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 12:01pm
fred:

Thanks for the show Jeff. And sign me up for discomfort if it helps level the field
  12:03pm
Dean:

They/we get away with it due to legacy expectations, e.g., BS about abilities and about the physical and intellectual rigors demanded by job X. The something we give up might be our chains.
  12:05pm
Dean:

(I'm wearing my "fascist media pigs" WFMU t-shirt.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:06pm
Jeff Golick:

Thanks, @ljfw1 @fred! @Dean! Love it. See y'all next time.
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