WFMU: Testify! with Larry Grogan: Playlist from June 6, 2024

Listener comments!
	♥ 3:00pm Andrew in Toronto: Hi there, larry, and all other listeners!
	🥁 ♥ 3:00pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @3:00 Hey Andrew!
	3:01pm bradford: Hey there Larry & all!
	🥁 ♥ 3:01pm Jeff Ash: Greetings from Wisconsin, all!
	🥁 ♥ 3:01pm Yvang: Hi Larry and testifriends!
	🥁 ♥ 3:02pm Funky16Corners: ↳ bradford @3:01 Hi bradford!
	🥁 ♥ 3:02pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Jeff Ash @3:01 Hey Jeff!
	🥁 ♥ 3:02pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Yvang @3:01 Yvang! Testifriends! I like that!
	♥ 3:03pm listener 126464: Hi Larry, and all!
	♥ 3:03pm coelacanth∅: greetings Larry, y'all
	🥁 ♥ 3:04pm Funky16Corners: ↳ listener 126464 @3:03 Hello listener126464!
	🥁 ♥ 3:04pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:03 Hi C!
	🥁 ♥ 3:05pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" ;- ) Hi Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 3:05pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:05 Hey Doc!
	♥ 3:06pm David The Splatter: Hey, Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 3:06pm Funky16Corners: ↳ David The Splatter @3:06 Hi David!
	🥁 ♥ 3:06pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" So, the story I've heard is that Branford Marsalis was sitting in with The Dead in concert. They're about to play Dark Star; Jerry Garcia tells Marsalis something like, "it's one chord, but the kids seem to like it..."
	3:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @3:06 ...which might be what you tell a Jazz guy...
	♥ 3:07pm holland oats: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" did a double take here! 👀 👀
	🥁 ♥ 3:07pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:06 How many chords is 'So What'? It's a sketch meant to begin exploration and improvistion.
	🥁 ♥ 3:08pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:07 Hey Rev!
	🥁 ♥ 3:08pm Funky16Corners: ↳ holland oats @3:07 Hey holland oats!
	3:08pm still b/p: It just never happened to me. I never became a fan, follower or appreciator of the band. Saw them once, in '77, enjoyed it. But it didn't entice or convert me. Will there come a day...? A day of turnaround? A day of the Dead?
	3:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Modal in other words ?...
	🥁 ♥ 3:09pm Erica: Hi Larry. Sorry for being a bit late. Had Internet problems.
	🥁 ♥ 3:09pm Funky16Corners: ↳ still b/p @3:08 It takes time, the proper atmosphere and a willingness to let yourself become part of the organism.
	♥ 3:09pm David The Splatter: ↳ still b/p @3:08 A "Dead Reckoning", perhaps?
	🥁 ♥ 3:09pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:09 Hi Erica!
	♥ 3:09pm coelacanth∅: wondering who the "one of these things does not belong here" person is in that photo
	🥁 ♥ 3:10pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:09 Probably Constanten, but really, it could be ANY of them
	🥁 ♥ 3:10pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" I'm always amazed at the edge to Early Garcia's guitar tone!
	3:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:10 HaHa...
	🥁 ♥ 3:11pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:10 It has a bite to it that kind of polished into something different over the years
	♥ 3:11pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:10 it must be. i recognise all the others. dapper hair, suit, white slacks...
	3:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @3:10 Almost paradoxical to me that as Jerry got more Artisan with his Gittars ...his Tone settled more into that plunky Kuntry sound that is not my absolute favorite...
	🥁 ♥ 3:12pm Funky16Corners: Considering his guitar sound is the first thing that identifies a recording as "the Dead", to me, anyway
	♥ 3:12pm listener 126464: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:10 agree
	🥁 ♥ 3:13pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:11 Google him some time. He got pretty freaky looking.
	3:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:11 ...inestimable an eminence as Garcia was & remains in several aspects...
	🥁 ♥ 3:14pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:11 The level to which the Dead sought out and explored technology/electronics is often overlooked. The amount of money they spent on that gigantic sound system, which almost immediately proved too cumbersome to tour with.
	♥ 3:14pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:13 i should hope so!
	🥁 ♥ 3:15pm Funky16Corners: Tech figures into an important aspect of this chapter in the story.
	3:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...but in some of the Earlier recordings - I wonder if maybe he'd just seen Cream the night before or something...
	♥ 3:15pm Amygdala: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" As an uninteresting aside, one of all-time favorite jams is on this album... The Eleven. So good!
	🥁 ♥ 3:16pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:15 I think he was a much more interesting guitarist that Clapton ever was. His roots are completely different,and he continued to develop over 30 some years, where Clapton flew up his own nose and turned into the boring old man he is today
	🥁 ♥ 3:17pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Amygdala @3:15 Hi Amygdala!
	3:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:14 Oh yes indeed. The Dead must finally be widely credited as P.A. System pioneers. Along with mad Owsley & the fantastic Fillmores... & that attribute of putting the Resources back into the Trip (instead of treading water & getting rich) is something we adore about them. :)
	🥁 ♥ 3:18pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:17 Oddly enough, I compare them to Walt Disney, who plowed most of his money back into the creative end of the enterprise, often causing himself problems.
	3:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:16 Point taken. Note I say 'Cream' (a quite brief time) rather than 'Clapton' per se...
	🥁 ♥ 3:19pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:18 True, true...No need throwing out Jack and Ginger with the bathwater
	3:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:18 Imagineers of Rawk Anarchy...
	3:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:19 Tho when I turn on my amp - Clapton in Cream is a certain %age of what wishes it would come out ...but no one need be concerned with this...
	🥁 ♥ 3:21pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:19 The Neal Gabler book on Disney is fascinating. Old Walt truly was a visionary, far beyond what the modern suits would do to his company.
	♥ 3:21pm Amygdala: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:17 Hi'ya Funky16! Great stuff! Very happy I stumbled upon the show just now; blowing off tasks that aren't all that time-sensitive.
	🥁 ♥ 3:22pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Amygdala @3:21 I hope we please your ears!
	♥ 3:23pm listener 126464: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" Double album w/7 songs!
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" Garcia just soaring in this dark star. also i think one can really hear and appreciate the genius of Weir rhythm improv accompaniment
	♥ 3:23pm listener 126464: ↳ listener 126464 @3:23 Or 'titles'
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm zzz: very underrated player imo (weir)
	3:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:21 Yeah. Tho Walt set the Mouse Empire up to be bowdlerizes of the Folk forms awlready ...& as a staunch AntiUnionist set them on their voraciously acquisitive Corporate way to Disgraceland. Also.
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @3:23 Hey zzz!
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:23 Agreed.
	3:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:23 ...The Dead ...launching from the Acid Tests across the Broad Landscape of Folk Culture ...also always struggled to this day between the Polarities of the Visionary & the Institutional...
	🥁 ♥ 3:30pm Erica: The single version of the song now.
	🥁 ♥ 3:31pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:25 Considering how closely they are identified with dirty-hippie-dom, they have always been an experimental unit, taking all manner of chances along the way
	🥁 ♥ 3:31pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star (45)" by "Grateful Dead" WOW, I'd love to see a jukebox with this!
	🥁 ♥ 3:33pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:31 Me too. I'd feed about 50 bucks into it to play it over and over again.
	🥁 ♥ 3:34pm Funky16Corners: Ladies and gentlemen, the transformative power of LSD!
	🥁 ♥ 3:34pm doctorjazz: Should I clicky-star every track. Sure, why not!
	🥁 ♥ 3:34pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:34 I say, go for it.
	🥁 ♥ 3:35pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "That's It for the Other One: A - Cryptical Envelo... Another song that made it's way as a cornerstone of the live repertoire
	🥁 ♥ 3:36pm Funky16Corners: I saw them do this with Steve Miller in 1992
	🥁 ♥ 3:37pm Erica: ↳ Song: "That's It for the Other One: A - Cryptical Envelo... Considering the long length of this song, this is gonna be one long track.
	🥁 ♥ 3:37pm Funky16Corners: Great show: www.setlist.fm...
	🥁 ♥ 3:37pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:37 Just under 8 miniutes
	🥁 ♥ 3:38pm Funky16Corners: For the next tune, I suggest 'smoke'em if you got'em' or whatever way you like to light your head up
	🥁 ♥ 3:38pm Erica: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:37 I'm convinced this is prog.
	🥁 ♥ 3:40pm Erica: Ish
	🥁 ♥ 3:40pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:38 This is SIKE-A-DEE-LIA
	🥁 ♥ 3:41pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "New Potato Caboose" by "Grateful Dead" One of my all time fave tunes
	🥁 ♥ 3:41pm Erica: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:40 Psych would eventually transition into prog later.
	3:42pm arlo: dark star > cryptical to start my morning...nice
	🥁 ♥ 3:42pm Funky16Corners: ↳ arlo @3:42 Hey arlo!
	🥁 ♥ 3:43pm zzz: ↳ Song: "New Potato Caboose" by "Grateful Dead" unlike “other one,” did not make it as a cornerstone of the live repertoire, BUt the dead cover band i saw almost every wednesday night during high school in the late 90s played it constantly, hah
	🥁 ♥ 3:44pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @3:43 I would, too!
	🥁 ♥ 3:47pm zzz: nice lysergic jazzy groove double drum mayhem! this time is the best for the drummers
	🥁 ♥ 3:48pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @3:47 Yes, and their styles really complement each other
	🥁 ♥ 3:49pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "Born Cross Eyed" by "Grateful Dead" This was originally the B-side of Dark Star
	♥ 3:49pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @3:41 i think prog was inspired more by classical music than anything else...a natural progression for musicians that liked both rock music and classical. at it's most musically successful, it's not drug-oriented, like psych
	🥁 ♥ 3:50pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:49 I would agree with that assessment, with the caveat that Phil Lesh was a classical guy
	🥁 ♥ 3:51pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "Alligator" by "Grateful Dead" The Return of Pigpen!
	3:52pm northguineahills: Been listening while working on a friend’s house.
	🥁 ♥ 3:52pm Funky16Corners: ↳ northguineahills @3:52 Hey NGH!
	🥁 ♥ 3:52pm Cal Zone!: Anthem might be my favorite studio lp for these fellers.
	🥁 ♥ 3:53pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Cal Zone! @3:52 Hey Cal! It's up there for me, but a hard choice to make.
	🥁 ♥ 3:53pm Erica: ↳ Cal Zone! @3:52 Hi Calzone.
	🥁 ♥ 3:53pm Cal Zone!: Hi Larry, Erica, and fellow Groganites!
	🥁 ♥ 3:54pm Erica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:49 But early prog from the late 60s has psychedelic elements though.
	🥁 ♥ 3:56pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:54 There are points where the movements dovetail - especially in the UK - but overall I think they are distinct movements. You could write a treatise on the differences between US and UK psychedelia, both the result of drug experiementation, but with really different contributing elements.
	3:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'People call it Prawg cause they don't wanna admit they're still taking drugs.' - Mick Farren
	4:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: BritPsych : ...'I is having Tea with the Faeries !'... U.S. Psych : ...'I f*ck my Mother - !!'...
	🥁 ♥ 4:00pm Erica: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:00 🤣
	🥁 ♥ 4:00pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Alligator" by "Grateful Dead" First there is a mountain, then there is mountain, then there is (quoted)
	🥁 ♥ 4:01pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:00 I agree with Part One. I think Part Two is a lot more complicated, unless you're focusing on Jim Morrison.
	🥁 ♥ 4:01pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @4:00 Carried on by the Allman Bros later!
	4:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:49 Yeah I think of 'Prawg' as people who take Rawk Seriously - as Art, as Musicians, as Ideas & so forth. But no that doesn't really address the specific Elements of Style.
	♥ 4:03pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @3:54 some does for sure. -and then some kind of pretends to! -like vanilla fudge, for example...but that's why i said "most musically successful". they were not sophisticated, by any degree, but instead was designed for drug accompaniment. then there were bands that were great for drug accompaniment that were really not about drugs AT ALL -like the mothers, and the electric prunes... -but yes there was definitely a lot of crossover. ...even the band Love...and the beatles.
	🥁 ♥ 4:03pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 The weird thing is, some of the standard bearers of UK prog, Yes and Genesis, both started out with elements of US West Coast vibes (Yes covered Buffalo Springfield)
	♥ 4:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:01 yes
	🥁 ♥ 4:04pm Erica: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 For me psych and prog are in the same music family artistically and experimentally. That's why it's not easy for me to separate the two (when it comes to the Dead anyway).
	🥁 ♥ 4:04pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:03 I love Vanilla Fudge, but all things considered I find them closer to professional wrestling than psychedelia
	4:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 ...which was enabled by Psychedelia ...but then all the elements of that such as the Chemicals themselves - but also Technology, Business - the pure Demographics of so many Coming of Age @ Once - & everything that happened @ the same time PostWar.
	♥ 4:06pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 yes i agree. 'swhy it's so laughable when people diss prog like a joke... basically revealing their lack of musical knowledge.
	4:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Moody Blues for example I posit as exactly @ the transition of Psych & Prawg. & in fact TheBeatles themselves enabled it - inspired so much by Brian Wilson (above all) to use the Studio as an Instrument. & the real Concept of 'Concept Albums' began as the Medium being the Massage : Your People would be sitting with a new Long Player by you, not just a Single...
	🥁 ♥ 4:08pm Erica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:06 Because that music came out right after psych was dying.
	🥁 ♥ 4:08pm Funky16Corners: I think a part of the equation that never gets spoken about, is that the Grateful Dead, despite looking like extras in a Cheech and Chong sketch, were very smart guys, surrounded by other very smart people. That's why they were able to do things like this. This isn't random drug fueled nonsense.
	♥ 4:08pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:04 haha that's a great metaphor! and i appologise; i had a feeling you liked vanilla fudge when i typed that. i'm probably in a minority, as usual!
	🥁 ♥ 4:09pm doctorjazz: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:04 ;- )
	4:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:08 Indeed. The magnificent thing about Psychedelics is how they break down boundaries. You gotcher Folk ~ Kuntry guy, yer Avant Classical guy, yer Rawk Kid ...hey let's Get Together.
	🥁 ♥ 4:12pm Erica: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:08 Sounds like random drug fueled nonsense to the hippies though.
	♥ 4:15pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @4:08 kind of, yes. but again, there is no line. no first prog song. you might say the end by the doors is prog...i don't agree but it's not unreasonable. you might say good vibrations by the beach boys is prog. it's short like a pop song, created by a pop band; but has time and structure changes like afternoon of a fawn... but there were songs in the 50s, maybe earlier with those same elements - + the typical "odd" time signatures that some people think defines prog.
	4:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:15 All that Big Phil Spector type Production ...which was the immediate precedent for Brian Wilson...
	🥁 ♥ 4:18pm Erica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:15 I don't think either were the first prog song. Too poppy.
	🥁 ♥ 4:19pm Erica: Step right up. Hurry hurry hurry.
	🥁 ♥ 4:19pm WLSClark: Hi Larry and all. NEVER been a Dead fan of any type, but gonna give a listen awhile. a buddy is HUGE fan, so I understand where the Dead Heads come from thru him. KZUM here that I was on in the 80s still has a Dead show weekly and it was on when I was on the air then!
	🥁 ♥ 4:20pm Funky16Corners: ↳ WLSClark @4:19 Hey Clark!
	🥁 ♥ 4:20pm WR: ↳ Song: "Radio Spot" by "Grateful Dead" That advert was cute. Thanks for playing it, Larry.
	🥁 ♥ 4:21pm Funky16Corners: ↳ WR @4:20 I love stuff like that!
	🥁 ♥ 4:21pm Erica: Hi WLS
	🥁 ♥ 4:22pm Funky16Corners: Ironically, St Stephen was STONED to death...
	🥁 ♥ 4:23pm WLSClark: Hi Erica!
	🥁 ♥ 4:23pm WLSClark: ↳ Song: "Doin' That Rag (Alt)" by "Grateful Dead" Those Warner loss leader Lp sets were awesome back in the day.
	4:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes. To me the thing about The Dead is how much they were outside the Program of the regular ShowBiz schedule of Record a Hit if you can - get it on the Radio - Tour to support - Repeat Next Year if you could & as long as you were allowed to... As Jesse Jarnow observed ...TheDead just showed up & played instead - ! A complete end-run around the whole schmeer... So obviously they occupied a quite unique position in the entire Cultural Landscape. On one hand - they've only now in this Time maybe begun to really be assessed alongside everyone else in terms of their real attributes... & - in a huge paradox - @ the same time ...everyone became Intimate with them & their Works as a true Folk Phenomenon of the People. Like ...if you walked up to a fire on the beach - you & the people already there might both know Dead Tunes ...or you go into a new Town for you ...& even the Punks there know all about the Dead. I actually think of this as like Anthropologically remarkable. Yerknow... For all the Punkspeak about 'Anarchy' - it was this Hippiest of Hippe bands that's come closest to an actual Alternative Society...
	🥁 ♥ 4:24pm doctorjazz: ↳ WLSClark @4:23 Think I got one or 2 (not sure what the heck happened to them).
	🥁 ♥ 4:24pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "St Stephen" by "Grateful Dead" !!!!! (One man gathers what another man spills)
	🥁 ♥ 4:25pm WLSClark: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:24 Yeah, I agree that it was VERY cool how they didn't care if people taped shows and thus there are so many now. Never into having big sellers or top 40.
	🥁 ♥ 4:26pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:24 That's the main reason I'm doing these shows (and hope to do more). I appreciate the Dead in a holistic way, and think they are misunderstood, underestimated etc. They're pretty remarkable, and a great story all the way through.
	🥁 ♥ 4:26pm WLSClark: My Dead buddycame over to see my records in 80s and could not believe I had the Dark Star pic sleeve DJ 45. It didn't register as unusual to have it.
	🥁 ♥ 4:27pm doctorjazz: ↳ WLSClark @4:25 There was actually an area sectioned off at concerts for the tapers! (I could never do the taping thing-bought a Sony Recorder, mics, but could never stand still enough at concerts to get a good sounding tape)
	🥁 ♥ 4:28pm WLSClark: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:26 My problem is that I am TOO top 40 oriented to give outsiders of that much chance. I am better thanks to FMU, but top 40 pop is still reigning and always will.
	🥁 ♥ 4:28pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @4:27 The Grateful Dead channel on Sirius/XM plays a lot of great concert recordings
	🥁 ♥ 4:29pm WLSClark: ↳ doctorjazz @4:27 I understand that. I bought 100 cassettes of live taped shows from a guy in Goldmine for my buddy and he was blown away back then.
	🥁 ♥ 4:30pm Funky16Corners: ↳ WLSClark @4:29 As the tech got better over the years the sound quality on the boots was great.
	🥁 ♥ 4:30pm doctorjazz: ↳ WLSClark @4:29 I have a ton of live recordings on my hard drives (a good friend is/was a taper).
	♥ 4:30pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @4:18 i don't think so either, but for different reason. kansas was prog. there's no question; all the elements are there. but it's very poppy. "pop prog". musicians acting like it's a solemn thing is like thinking a buddhist monk can't laugh at a silly t-shirt. it's why people make the ludicrous generalization that prog is "pretentious". it doesn't have to be serious, just because they're serious about playing their instruments. the band Love was making 2-minute prog songs in 1966. i still don't think they were the first.
	4:30pm arlo: yes! rosemary... only played live once
	🥁 ♥ 4:32pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Dupress Diamond Blues" by "Grateful Dead" never lost the old timey thread even in the deep psych era
	♥ 4:32pm Discotech Underground: Hey Larry! Another FABULOUS early Dead show! Stay tuned in and turned on for Discotech Underground NEXT on WFMU's "Give The Drummer" Radio! wfmu.org...
	♥ 4:32pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WLSClark @4:19 hi Clark! -not with any need to convert you to something i am not -a "deadhead"! but i recommend listening to Larry's last week program (part 1)....how the 'dead started.
	🥁 ♥ 4:32pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:32 Hey Kip!
	4:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:30 I think this is really pertinent. King Crimson were always really sardonic - but even sarcasm is Humor. They came out of Giles, Giles & Fripp ! ...& ELP has great Humor in it. It's the Musicianship itself they took seriously...
	🥁 ♥ 4:32pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @4:32 Jerry never put down that banjo!
	♥ 4:32pm Discotech Underground: ↳ Song: "New Potato Caboose" by "Grateful Dead" My favorite early Dead track! AOTS is my fave LP of their of all time!
	🥁 ♥ 4:33pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:32 Mine too!
	♥ 4:37pm Asheville Jon: who are the Grateful Dead, and why do they keep following me?
	🥁 ♥ 4:38pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:37 Hi Jon! They are but a series of echoes of a bygone age.
	4:38pm Fred R: Hey Larry and everyone! Digging another week of Dead set
	4:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:37 www.facebook.com...
	🥁 ♥ 4:39pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Fred R @4:38 Hey Fred!
	🥁 ♥ 4:41pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "China Cat Sunflower" by "Grateful Dead" Not always sure Pigpen's organ is quite right for many of the tunes, but really works here!
	♥ 4:41pm Asheville Jon: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:38 i feel like i read that somewhere before
	4:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:41 Knowing me, probly...
	🥁 ♥ 4:42pm Funky16Corners: Wild Robert Hunter lyrics: Look for a while at the china cat sunflower Proud walking jingle in the midnight sun Copperdome bodhi drip a silver kimono Like a crazy quilt star gown through a dream night wind Na na na, na na na Na na na, na na na Ooh, oh, oh Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandanna Like a one-eyed cheshire, like a diamond-eye jack A leaf of all colors plays a golden-string fiddle To a double-e waterfall over my back Na na na, na na na Na na na, na na na Ooh, oh, oh China cat, china cat China cat, china cat China cat, china cat China cat, china cat Comic book colors on a violin river cryin' leonardo Words from out a silk trombone I rang a silent bell, beneath a shower of pearls In the eagle-winged palace of the queen chinee
	🥁 ♥ 4:42pm WLSClark: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:32 Ha, coel. I actually saw that and passed on it right away. Today, I am listening.
	🥁 ♥ 4:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "China Cat Sunflower" by "Grateful Dead" Love the background vocals as well (the live version drops that stuff).
	♥ 4:44pm Asheville Jon: what's become of the baby???
	🥁 ♥ 4:44pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @4:44 The live version has a much more relaxed flow.
	🥁 ♥ 4:44pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:44 Time constraints!
	♥ 4:46pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WLSClark @4:42 their first album, and "vintage dead" are by far my favorite 'dead albums. i do like some '70s stuff, but it's like 2 different bands. Larry played some pre-dead dead (warlocks) too.
	♥ 4:46pm Discotech Underground: I like that you played the Dark Star 45 version. I have it with the picture sleeve and it's a prized possession for certain!
	4:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: & Robert Hunter must be assessed finally alongside other Songwriters. There was what I like to call the Back to Earth Movement after peak Psych ...from CCR to 'Let It Be' to what the Stones were doing after BrianJones. Attempting Reentry & to be Grounded again. & a few people like the Dead for a while (just after today's Playlist, maybe...) & TheBand just then - were Composing things that seemed like Folk Music that had Always Been - from the second it was Released.
	🥁 ♥ 4:46pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:46 Such a great 45, and considering how the song often goes on for a half an hour, it's a nice, concise package
	🥁 ♥ 4:48pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:46 There's a great story about how Robbie Robertson became enamored of CCR because he thought they had arisen from the Louisiana swamps, and was subsequently crestfallen to discover they came from San Francisco
	🥁 ♥ 4:48pm WLSClark: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:46 Yeah, I mentioned above having it, but never knew it was rare for Dead to have sleeves until 80s.
	4:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:48 HaHa ! ...himself a great Canadian of Americana...
	🥁 ♥ 4:49pm WLSClark: I have Tom Donohue playing the Dead's record collection back in 66 or 67 on LA FM, which I thought was pretty cool.
	🥁 ♥ 4:51pm doctorjazz: Thanks, Larry, great show!
	♥ 4:53pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 4:53pm Erica: Thank you for the 2 part Dead saga Larry.
	♥ 4:54pm coelacanth∅: you could do a Redding/Pickett playoff!
	🥁 ♥ 4:54pm WR: Thank you! Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 4:54pm Erica: 2 parts of the saga I mean. Thanks!
	4:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ LarryG ~
	🥁 ♥ 4:54pm zzz: thanks so much @F16C later, heads ✌️
	♥ 4:55pm Amygdala: Knowledgeable Larry and knowledgeable listeners – thank you! I thoroughly enjoyed the tunes and all the great info…. Brought back tons of great memories of earlier chapters of my life.
	🥁 ♥ 4:55pm Funky16Corners: Thanks for listening everybody! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
	♥ 4:55pm Asheville Jon: thanks Larry. looking forward to more Dead later
	🥁 ♥ 4:56pm WLSClark: Oh man, have been in other room listening and had no idea it was time to be over. Fun stuff Larry. Teaching old dog new old tricks.....
	🥁 ♥ 4:56pm Yvang: ↳ Song: "St Stephen" by "Grateful Dead" Thanks Larry that was fantastic! What a unique band!
	🥁 ♥ 4:57pm Funky16Corners: Thanks guys!
	♥ 5:00pm Andrew in Toronto: What a fabulous show! Thanks, larry!

Testify! with Larry Grogan: Playlist from June 6, 2024

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A roadmap that reveals the highways, byways, ley lines and subterranean tunnels connecting rock, soul, pop, folk rock, R&B, garage, punk, funk, jazz, world music, and soundtracks from the twilight of the 1950s to the dawn of the 1970s. Larry Grogan is a DJ, writer, podcaster, collector, and the man behind Funky16Corners.

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June 6, 2024: Testify! - Early Dead Part 2 - 1968-1969

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Approx. start time
Funky16Corners	Testify! Intro "Testify! Intro" by "Funky16Corners"	Best of Funky16Corners Volume One	Funky16Corners	2017	MP3	0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Dark Star "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead"	Live Dead	Warner Brothers	1969	LP	0:01:24 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Grateful Dead	Dark Star (45) "Dark Star (45)" by "Grateful Dead"	45RPM Single	WB	1968	45	0:30:01 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	That's It for the Other One: A - Cryptical Envelopment, B - Quadlibet for Tender Feet, C - The Faster We Go the Rounder We Get, (IV. We Leave The Castle)	Anthem Of the Sun	WB	1968	LP	0:32:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	New Potato Caboose "New Potato Caboose" by "Grateful Dead"	Anthem of the Sun	WB	1968	LP	0:40:17 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Born Cross Eyed "Born Cross Eyed" by "Grateful Dead"	Anthem of the Sun	WB	1968	LP	0:48:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Alligator "Alligator" by "Grateful Dead"	Anthem of the Sun	WB	1968	LP	0:50:48 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Caution Do Not Stop on Tracks	Anthem of the Sun	WB	1968	LP	1:02:02 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Grateful Dead	Radio Spot "Radio Spot" by "Grateful Dead"	The Golden Road (1965-1973)	WB	1969	CD	1:18:34 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Doin' That Rag (Alt)	1969 Warner-Reprise Record Show	WB	1969	LP	1:19:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	St Stephen "St Stephen" by "Grateful Dead"	Aoxomoxoa	WB	1969	LP	1:21:49 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Dupress Diamond Blues	Aoxomoxoa	WB	1969	LP	1:27:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Rosemary "Rosemary" by "Grateful Dead"	Aoxomoxoa	WB	1969	LP	1:29:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Doin' That Rag "Doin' That Rag" by "Grateful Dead"	Aoxomoxoa	WB	1969	LP	1:31:41 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Mountains of the Moon	Aoxomoxoa	WB	1969	LP	1:36:21 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	China Cat Sunflower	Aoxomoxoa	WB	1969	LP	1:40:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Cosmic Charlie "Cosmic Charlie" by "Grateful Dead"	Aoxomoxoa	WB	1969	LP	1:43:54 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	And We Bid You Goodnight	Live Dead	WB	1969	LP	1:49:24 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Rex Garvin and the Mighty Cravers	I Gotta Go Now (Up On the Floor)	45RPM Single	Like	1966	45	1:54:36 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 3:00pm Andrew in Toronto: Hi there, larry, and all other listeners!
	🥁 ♥ 3:00pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @3:00 Hey Andrew!
	3:01pm bradford: Hey there Larry & all!
	🥁 ♥ 3:01pm Jeff Ash: Greetings from Wisconsin, all!
	🥁 ♥ 3:01pm Yvang: Hi Larry and testifriends!
	🥁 ♥ 3:02pm Funky16Corners: ↳ bradford @3:01 Hi bradford!
	🥁 ♥ 3:02pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Jeff Ash @3:01 Hey Jeff!
	🥁 ♥ 3:02pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Yvang @3:01 Yvang! Testifriends! I like that!
	♥ 3:03pm listener 126464: Hi Larry, and all!
	♥ 3:03pm coelacanth∅: greetings Larry, y'all
	🥁 ♥ 3:04pm Funky16Corners: ↳ listener 126464 @3:03 Hello listener126464!
	🥁 ♥ 3:04pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:03 Hi C!
	🥁 ♥ 3:05pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" ;- ) Hi Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 3:05pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:05 Hey Doc!
	♥ 3:06pm David The Splatter: Hey, Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 3:06pm Funky16Corners: ↳ David The Splatter @3:06 Hi David!
	🥁 ♥ 3:06pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" So, the story I've heard is that Branford Marsalis was sitting in with The Dead in concert. They're about to play Dark Star; Jerry Garcia tells Marsalis something like, "it's one chord, but the kids seem to like it..."
	3:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @3:06 ...which might be what you tell a Jazz guy...
	♥ 3:07pm holland oats: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" did a double take here! 👀 👀
	🥁 ♥ 3:07pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:06 How many chords is 'So What'? It's a sketch meant to begin exploration and improvistion.
	🥁 ♥ 3:08pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:07 Hey Rev!
	🥁 ♥ 3:08pm Funky16Corners: ↳ holland oats @3:07 Hey holland oats!
	3:08pm still b/p: It just never happened to me. I never became a fan, follower or appreciator of the band. Saw them once, in '77, enjoyed it. But it didn't entice or convert me. Will there come a day...? A day of turnaround? A day of the Dead?
	3:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Modal in other words ?...
	🥁 ♥ 3:09pm Erica: Hi Larry. Sorry for being a bit late. Had Internet problems.
	🥁 ♥ 3:09pm Funky16Corners: ↳ still b/p @3:08 It takes time, the proper atmosphere and a willingness to let yourself become part of the organism.
	♥ 3:09pm David The Splatter: ↳ still b/p @3:08 A "Dead Reckoning", perhaps?
	🥁 ♥ 3:09pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:09 Hi Erica!
	♥ 3:09pm coelacanth∅: wondering who the "one of these things does not belong here" person is in that photo
	🥁 ♥ 3:10pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:09 Probably Constanten, but really, it could be ANY of them
	🥁 ♥ 3:10pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" I'm always amazed at the edge to Early Garcia's guitar tone!
	3:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:10 HaHa...
	🥁 ♥ 3:11pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:10 It has a bite to it that kind of polished into something different over the years
	♥ 3:11pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:10 it must be. i recognise all the others. dapper hair, suit, white slacks...
	3:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @3:10 Almost paradoxical to me that as Jerry got more Artisan with his Gittars ...his Tone settled more into that plunky Kuntry sound that is not my absolute favorite...
	🥁 ♥ 3:12pm Funky16Corners: Considering his guitar sound is the first thing that identifies a recording as "the Dead", to me, anyway
	♥ 3:12pm listener 126464: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:10 agree
	🥁 ♥ 3:13pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:11 Google him some time. He got pretty freaky looking.
	3:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:11 ...inestimable an eminence as Garcia was & remains in several aspects...
	🥁 ♥ 3:14pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:11 The level to which the Dead sought out and explored technology/electronics is often overlooked. The amount of money they spent on that gigantic sound system, which almost immediately proved too cumbersome to tour with.
	♥ 3:14pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:13 i should hope so!
	🥁 ♥ 3:15pm Funky16Corners: Tech figures into an important aspect of this chapter in the story.
	3:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...but in some of the Earlier recordings - I wonder if maybe he'd just seen Cream the night before or something...
	♥ 3:15pm Amygdala: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" As an uninteresting aside, one of all-time favorite jams is on this album... The Eleven. So good!
	🥁 ♥ 3:16pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:15 I think he was a much more interesting guitarist that Clapton ever was. His roots are completely different,and he continued to develop over 30 some years, where Clapton flew up his own nose and turned into the boring old man he is today
	🥁 ♥ 3:17pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Amygdala @3:15 Hi Amygdala!
	3:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:14 Oh yes indeed. The Dead must finally be widely credited as P.A. System pioneers. Along with mad Owsley & the fantastic Fillmores... & that attribute of putting the Resources back into the Trip (instead of treading water & getting rich) is something we adore about them. :)
	🥁 ♥ 3:18pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:17 Oddly enough, I compare them to Walt Disney, who plowed most of his money back into the creative end of the enterprise, often causing himself problems.
	3:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:16 Point taken. Note I say 'Cream' (a quite brief time) rather than 'Clapton' per se...
	🥁 ♥ 3:19pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:18 True, true...No need throwing out Jack and Ginger with the bathwater
	3:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:18 Imagineers of Rawk Anarchy...
	3:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:19 Tho when I turn on my amp - Clapton in Cream is a certain %age of what wishes it would come out ...but no one need be concerned with this...
	🥁 ♥ 3:21pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:19 The Neal Gabler book on Disney is fascinating. Old Walt truly was a visionary, far beyond what the modern suits would do to his company.
	♥ 3:21pm Amygdala: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:17 Hi'ya Funky16! Great stuff! Very happy I stumbled upon the show just now; blowing off tasks that aren't all that time-sensitive.
	🥁 ♥ 3:22pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Amygdala @3:21 I hope we please your ears!
	♥ 3:23pm listener 126464: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" Double album w/7 songs!
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star" by "Grateful Dead" Garcia just soaring in this dark star. also i think one can really hear and appreciate the genius of Weir rhythm improv accompaniment
	♥ 3:23pm listener 126464: ↳ listener 126464 @3:23 Or 'titles'
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm zzz: very underrated player imo (weir)
	3:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:21 Yeah. Tho Walt set the Mouse Empire up to be bowdlerizes of the Folk forms awlready ...& as a staunch AntiUnionist set them on their voraciously acquisitive Corporate way to Disgraceland. Also.
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @3:23 Hey zzz!
	🥁 ♥ 3:23pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:23 Agreed.
	3:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:23 ...The Dead ...launching from the Acid Tests across the Broad Landscape of Folk Culture ...also always struggled to this day between the Polarities of the Visionary & the Institutional...
	🥁 ♥ 3:30pm Erica: The single version of the song now.
	🥁 ♥ 3:31pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @3:25 Considering how closely they are identified with dirty-hippie-dom, they have always been an experimental unit, taking all manner of chances along the way
	🥁 ♥ 3:31pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dark Star (45)" by "Grateful Dead" WOW, I'd love to see a jukebox with this!
	🥁 ♥ 3:33pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:31 Me too. I'd feed about 50 bucks into it to play it over and over again.
	🥁 ♥ 3:34pm Funky16Corners: Ladies and gentlemen, the transformative power of LSD!
	🥁 ♥ 3:34pm doctorjazz: Should I clicky-star every track. Sure, why not!
	🥁 ♥ 3:34pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @3:34 I say, go for it.
	🥁 ♥ 3:35pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "That's It for the Other One: A - Cryptical Envelo... Another song that made it's way as a cornerstone of the live repertoire
	🥁 ♥ 3:36pm Funky16Corners: I saw them do this with Steve Miller in 1992
	🥁 ♥ 3:37pm Erica: ↳ Song: "That's It for the Other One: A - Cryptical Envelo... Considering the long length of this song, this is gonna be one long track.
	🥁 ♥ 3:37pm Funky16Corners: Great show: www.setlist.fm...
	🥁 ♥ 3:37pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:37 Just under 8 miniutes
	🥁 ♥ 3:38pm Funky16Corners: For the next tune, I suggest 'smoke'em if you got'em' or whatever way you like to light your head up
	🥁 ♥ 3:38pm Erica: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:37 I'm convinced this is prog.
	🥁 ♥ 3:40pm Erica: Ish
	🥁 ♥ 3:40pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:38 This is SIKE-A-DEE-LIA
	🥁 ♥ 3:41pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "New Potato Caboose" by "Grateful Dead" One of my all time fave tunes
	🥁 ♥ 3:41pm Erica: ↳ Funky16Corners @3:40 Psych would eventually transition into prog later.
	3:42pm arlo: dark star > cryptical to start my morning...nice
	🥁 ♥ 3:42pm Funky16Corners: ↳ arlo @3:42 Hey arlo!
	🥁 ♥ 3:43pm zzz: ↳ Song: "New Potato Caboose" by "Grateful Dead" unlike “other one,” did not make it as a cornerstone of the live repertoire, BUt the dead cover band i saw almost every wednesday night during high school in the late 90s played it constantly, hah
	🥁 ♥ 3:44pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @3:43 I would, too!
	🥁 ♥ 3:47pm zzz: nice lysergic jazzy groove double drum mayhem! this time is the best for the drummers
	🥁 ♥ 3:48pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @3:47 Yes, and their styles really complement each other
	🥁 ♥ 3:49pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "Born Cross Eyed" by "Grateful Dead" This was originally the B-side of Dark Star
	♥ 3:49pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @3:41 i think prog was inspired more by classical music than anything else...a natural progression for musicians that liked both rock music and classical. at it's most musically successful, it's not drug-oriented, like psych
	🥁 ♥ 3:50pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:49 I would agree with that assessment, with the caveat that Phil Lesh was a classical guy
	🥁 ♥ 3:51pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Song: "Alligator" by "Grateful Dead" The Return of Pigpen!
	3:52pm northguineahills: Been listening while working on a friend’s house.
	🥁 ♥ 3:52pm Funky16Corners: ↳ northguineahills @3:52 Hey NGH!
	🥁 ♥ 3:52pm Cal Zone!: Anthem might be my favorite studio lp for these fellers.
	🥁 ♥ 3:53pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Cal Zone! @3:52 Hey Cal! It's up there for me, but a hard choice to make.
	🥁 ♥ 3:53pm Erica: ↳ Cal Zone! @3:52 Hi Calzone.
	🥁 ♥ 3:53pm Cal Zone!: Hi Larry, Erica, and fellow Groganites!
	🥁 ♥ 3:54pm Erica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:49 But early prog from the late 60s has psychedelic elements though.
	🥁 ♥ 3:56pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Erica @3:54 There are points where the movements dovetail - especially in the UK - but overall I think they are distinct movements. You could write a treatise on the differences between US and UK psychedelia, both the result of drug experiementation, but with really different contributing elements.
	3:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'People call it Prawg cause they don't wanna admit they're still taking drugs.' - Mick Farren
	4:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: BritPsych : ...'I is having Tea with the Faeries !'... U.S. Psych : ...'I f*ck my Mother - !!'...
	🥁 ♥ 4:00pm Erica: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:00 🤣
	🥁 ♥ 4:00pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Alligator" by "Grateful Dead" First there is a mountain, then there is mountain, then there is (quoted)
	🥁 ♥ 4:01pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:00 I agree with Part One. I think Part Two is a lot more complicated, unless you're focusing on Jim Morrison.
	🥁 ♥ 4:01pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @4:00 Carried on by the Allman Bros later!
	4:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @3:49 Yeah I think of 'Prawg' as people who take Rawk Seriously - as Art, as Musicians, as Ideas & so forth. But no that doesn't really address the specific Elements of Style.
	♥ 4:03pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @3:54 some does for sure. -and then some kind of pretends to! -like vanilla fudge, for example...but that's why i said "most musically successful". they were not sophisticated, by any degree, but instead was designed for drug accompaniment. then there were bands that were great for drug accompaniment that were really not about drugs AT ALL -like the mothers, and the electric prunes... -but yes there was definitely a lot of crossover. ...even the band Love...and the beatles.
	🥁 ♥ 4:03pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 The weird thing is, some of the standard bearers of UK prog, Yes and Genesis, both started out with elements of US West Coast vibes (Yes covered Buffalo Springfield)
	♥ 4:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:01 yes
	🥁 ♥ 4:04pm Erica: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 For me psych and prog are in the same music family artistically and experimentally. That's why it's not easy for me to separate the two (when it comes to the Dead anyway).
	🥁 ♥ 4:04pm Funky16Corners: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:03 I love Vanilla Fudge, but all things considered I find them closer to professional wrestling than psychedelia
	4:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 ...which was enabled by Psychedelia ...but then all the elements of that such as the Chemicals themselves - but also Technology, Business - the pure Demographics of so many Coming of Age @ Once - & everything that happened @ the same time PostWar.
	♥ 4:06pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:02 yes i agree. 'swhy it's so laughable when people diss prog like a joke... basically revealing their lack of musical knowledge.
	4:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Moody Blues for example I posit as exactly @ the transition of Psych & Prawg. & in fact TheBeatles themselves enabled it - inspired so much by Brian Wilson (above all) to use the Studio as an Instrument. & the real Concept of 'Concept Albums' began as the Medium being the Massage : Your People would be sitting with a new Long Player by you, not just a Single...
	🥁 ♥ 4:08pm Erica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:06 Because that music came out right after psych was dying.
	🥁 ♥ 4:08pm Funky16Corners: I think a part of the equation that never gets spoken about, is that the Grateful Dead, despite looking like extras in a Cheech and Chong sketch, were very smart guys, surrounded by other very smart people. That's why they were able to do things like this. This isn't random drug fueled nonsense.
	♥ 4:08pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:04 haha that's a great metaphor! and i appologise; i had a feeling you liked vanilla fudge when i typed that. i'm probably in a minority, as usual!
	🥁 ♥ 4:09pm doctorjazz: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:04 ;- )
	4:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:08 Indeed. The magnificent thing about Psychedelics is how they break down boundaries. You gotcher Folk ~ Kuntry guy, yer Avant Classical guy, yer Rawk Kid ...hey let's Get Together.
	🥁 ♥ 4:12pm Erica: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:08 Sounds like random drug fueled nonsense to the hippies though.
	♥ 4:15pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @4:08 kind of, yes. but again, there is no line. no first prog song. you might say the end by the doors is prog...i don't agree but it's not unreasonable. you might say good vibrations by the beach boys is prog. it's short like a pop song, created by a pop band; but has time and structure changes like afternoon of a fawn... but there were songs in the 50s, maybe earlier with those same elements - + the typical "odd" time signatures that some people think defines prog.
	4:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:15 All that Big Phil Spector type Production ...which was the immediate precedent for Brian Wilson...
	🥁 ♥ 4:18pm Erica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:15 I don't think either were the first prog song. Too poppy.
	🥁 ♥ 4:19pm Erica: Step right up. Hurry hurry hurry.
	🥁 ♥ 4:19pm WLSClark: Hi Larry and all. NEVER been a Dead fan of any type, but gonna give a listen awhile. a buddy is HUGE fan, so I understand where the Dead Heads come from thru him. KZUM here that I was on in the 80s still has a Dead show weekly and it was on when I was on the air then!
	🥁 ♥ 4:20pm Funky16Corners: ↳ WLSClark @4:19 Hey Clark!
	🥁 ♥ 4:20pm WR: ↳ Song: "Radio Spot" by "Grateful Dead" That advert was cute. Thanks for playing it, Larry.
	🥁 ♥ 4:21pm Funky16Corners: ↳ WR @4:20 I love stuff like that!
	🥁 ♥ 4:21pm Erica: Hi WLS
	🥁 ♥ 4:22pm Funky16Corners: Ironically, St Stephen was STONED to death...
	🥁 ♥ 4:23pm WLSClark: Hi Erica!
	🥁 ♥ 4:23pm WLSClark: ↳ Song: "Doin' That Rag (Alt)" by "Grateful Dead" Those Warner loss leader Lp sets were awesome back in the day.
	4:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes. To me the thing about The Dead is how much they were outside the Program of the regular ShowBiz schedule of Record a Hit if you can - get it on the Radio - Tour to support - Repeat Next Year if you could & as long as you were allowed to... As Jesse Jarnow observed ...TheDead just showed up & played instead - ! A complete end-run around the whole schmeer... So obviously they occupied a quite unique position in the entire Cultural Landscape. On one hand - they've only now in this Time maybe begun to really be assessed alongside everyone else in terms of their real attributes... & - in a huge paradox - @ the same time ...everyone became Intimate with them & their Works as a true Folk Phenomenon of the People. Like ...if you walked up to a fire on the beach - you & the people already there might both know Dead Tunes ...or you go into a new Town for you ...& even the Punks there know all about the Dead. I actually think of this as like Anthropologically remarkable. Yerknow... For all the Punkspeak about 'Anarchy' - it was this Hippiest of Hippe bands that's come closest to an actual Alternative Society...
	🥁 ♥ 4:24pm doctorjazz: ↳ WLSClark @4:23 Think I got one or 2 (not sure what the heck happened to them).
	🥁 ♥ 4:24pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "St Stephen" by "Grateful Dead" !!!!! (One man gathers what another man spills)
	🥁 ♥ 4:25pm WLSClark: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:24 Yeah, I agree that it was VERY cool how they didn't care if people taped shows and thus there are so many now. Never into having big sellers or top 40.
	🥁 ♥ 4:26pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:24 That's the main reason I'm doing these shows (and hope to do more). I appreciate the Dead in a holistic way, and think they are misunderstood, underestimated etc. They're pretty remarkable, and a great story all the way through.
	🥁 ♥ 4:26pm WLSClark: My Dead buddycame over to see my records in 80s and could not believe I had the Dark Star pic sleeve DJ 45. It didn't register as unusual to have it.
	🥁 ♥ 4:27pm doctorjazz: ↳ WLSClark @4:25 There was actually an area sectioned off at concerts for the tapers! (I could never do the taping thing-bought a Sony Recorder, mics, but could never stand still enough at concerts to get a good sounding tape)
	🥁 ♥ 4:28pm WLSClark: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:26 My problem is that I am TOO top 40 oriented to give outsiders of that much chance. I am better thanks to FMU, but top 40 pop is still reigning and always will.
	🥁 ♥ 4:28pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @4:27 The Grateful Dead channel on Sirius/XM plays a lot of great concert recordings
	🥁 ♥ 4:29pm WLSClark: ↳ doctorjazz @4:27 I understand that. I bought 100 cassettes of live taped shows from a guy in Goldmine for my buddy and he was blown away back then.
	🥁 ♥ 4:30pm Funky16Corners: ↳ WLSClark @4:29 As the tech got better over the years the sound quality on the boots was great.
	🥁 ♥ 4:30pm doctorjazz: ↳ WLSClark @4:29 I have a ton of live recordings on my hard drives (a good friend is/was a taper).
	♥ 4:30pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Erica @4:18 i don't think so either, but for different reason. kansas was prog. there's no question; all the elements are there. but it's very poppy. "pop prog". musicians acting like it's a solemn thing is like thinking a buddhist monk can't laugh at a silly t-shirt. it's why people make the ludicrous generalization that prog is "pretentious". it doesn't have to be serious, just because they're serious about playing their instruments. the band Love was making 2-minute prog songs in 1966. i still don't think they were the first.
	4:30pm arlo: yes! rosemary... only played live once
	🥁 ♥ 4:32pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Dupress Diamond Blues" by "Grateful Dead" never lost the old timey thread even in the deep psych era
	♥ 4:32pm Discotech Underground: Hey Larry! Another FABULOUS early Dead show! Stay tuned in and turned on for Discotech Underground NEXT on WFMU's "Give The Drummer" Radio! wfmu.org...
	♥ 4:32pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WLSClark @4:19 hi Clark! -not with any need to convert you to something i am not -a "deadhead"! but i recommend listening to Larry's last week program (part 1)....how the 'dead started.
	🥁 ♥ 4:32pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:32 Hey Kip!
	4:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:30 I think this is really pertinent. King Crimson were always really sardonic - but even sarcasm is Humor. They came out of Giles, Giles & Fripp ! ...& ELP has great Humor in it. It's the Musicianship itself they took seriously...
	🥁 ♥ 4:32pm Funky16Corners: ↳ zzz @4:32 Jerry never put down that banjo!
	♥ 4:32pm Discotech Underground: ↳ Song: "New Potato Caboose" by "Grateful Dead" My favorite early Dead track! AOTS is my fave LP of their of all time!
	🥁 ♥ 4:33pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:32 Mine too!
	♥ 4:37pm Asheville Jon: who are the Grateful Dead, and why do they keep following me?
	🥁 ♥ 4:38pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:37 Hi Jon! They are but a series of echoes of a bygone age.
	4:38pm Fred R: Hey Larry and everyone! Digging another week of Dead set
	4:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:37 www.facebook.com...
	🥁 ♥ 4:39pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Fred R @4:38 Hey Fred!
	🥁 ♥ 4:41pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "China Cat Sunflower" by "Grateful Dead" Not always sure Pigpen's organ is quite right for many of the tunes, but really works here!
	♥ 4:41pm Asheville Jon: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:38 i feel like i read that somewhere before
	4:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:41 Knowing me, probly...
	🥁 ♥ 4:42pm Funky16Corners: Wild Robert Hunter lyrics: Look for a while at the china cat sunflower Proud walking jingle in the midnight sun Copperdome bodhi drip a silver kimono Like a crazy quilt star gown through a dream night wind Na na na, na na na Na na na, na na na Ooh, oh, oh Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandanna Like a one-eyed cheshire, like a diamond-eye jack A leaf of all colors plays a golden-string fiddle To a double-e waterfall over my back Na na na, na na na Na na na, na na na Ooh, oh, oh China cat, china cat China cat, china cat China cat, china cat China cat, china cat Comic book colors on a violin river cryin' leonardo Words from out a silk trombone I rang a silent bell, beneath a shower of pearls In the eagle-winged palace of the queen chinee
	🥁 ♥ 4:42pm WLSClark: ↳ coelacanth∅ @4:32 Ha, coel. I actually saw that and passed on it right away. Today, I am listening.
	🥁 ♥ 4:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "China Cat Sunflower" by "Grateful Dead" Love the background vocals as well (the live version drops that stuff).
	♥ 4:44pm Asheville Jon: what's become of the baby???
	🥁 ♥ 4:44pm Funky16Corners: ↳ doctorjazz @4:44 The live version has a much more relaxed flow.
	🥁 ♥ 4:44pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Asheville Jon @4:44 Time constraints!
	♥ 4:46pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WLSClark @4:42 their first album, and "vintage dead" are by far my favorite 'dead albums. i do like some '70s stuff, but it's like 2 different bands. Larry played some pre-dead dead (warlocks) too.
	♥ 4:46pm Discotech Underground: I like that you played the Dark Star 45 version. I have it with the picture sleeve and it's a prized possession for certain!
	4:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: & Robert Hunter must be assessed finally alongside other Songwriters. There was what I like to call the Back to Earth Movement after peak Psych ...from CCR to 'Let It Be' to what the Stones were doing after BrianJones. Attempting Reentry & to be Grounded again. & a few people like the Dead for a while (just after today's Playlist, maybe...) & TheBand just then - were Composing things that seemed like Folk Music that had Always Been - from the second it was Released.
	🥁 ♥ 4:46pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:46 Such a great 45, and considering how the song often goes on for a half an hour, it's a nice, concise package
	🥁 ♥ 4:48pm Funky16Corners: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @4:46 There's a great story about how Robbie Robertson became enamored of CCR because he thought they had arisen from the Louisiana swamps, and was subsequently crestfallen to discover they came from San Francisco
	🥁 ♥ 4:48pm WLSClark: ↳ Discotech Underground @4:46 Yeah, I mentioned above having it, but never knew it was rare for Dead to have sleeves until 80s.
	4:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Funky16Corners @4:48 HaHa ! ...himself a great Canadian of Americana...
	🥁 ♥ 4:49pm WLSClark: I have Tom Donohue playing the Dead's record collection back in 66 or 67 on LA FM, which I thought was pretty cool.
	🥁 ♥ 4:51pm doctorjazz: Thanks, Larry, great show!
	♥ 4:53pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 4:53pm Erica: Thank you for the 2 part Dead saga Larry.
	♥ 4:54pm coelacanth∅: you could do a Redding/Pickett playoff!
	🥁 ♥ 4:54pm WR: Thank you! Larry!
	🥁 ♥ 4:54pm Erica: 2 parts of the saga I mean. Thanks!
	4:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ LarryG ~
	🥁 ♥ 4:54pm zzz: thanks so much @F16C later, heads ✌️
	♥ 4:55pm Amygdala: Knowledgeable Larry and knowledgeable listeners – thank you! I thoroughly enjoyed the tunes and all the great info…. Brought back tons of great memories of earlier chapters of my life.
	🥁 ♥ 4:55pm Funky16Corners: Thanks for listening everybody! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
	♥ 4:55pm Asheville Jon: thanks Larry. looking forward to more Dead later
	🥁 ♥ 4:56pm WLSClark: Oh man, have been in other room listening and had no idea it was time to be over. Fun stuff Larry. Teaching old dog new old tricks.....
	🥁 ♥ 4:56pm Yvang: ↳ Song: "St Stephen" by "Grateful Dead" Thanks Larry that was fantastic! What a unique band!
	🥁 ♥ 4:57pm Funky16Corners: Thanks guys!
	♥ 5:00pm Andrew in Toronto: What a fabulous show! Thanks, larry!

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