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Favoriting July 6, 2020: Ben Green, author, "The Smart Enough City"

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Tonight: Ben Green, author, "The Smart Enough City: Putting Technology in Its Place to Reclaim Our Urban Future"



Pointers:

• Full text of The Smart Enough City: "The open access edition of this book was made possible by generous funding from the MIT Libraries."

• The Smart Enough City (book site homepage)

• @benzevgreen (Twitter)

• benzevgreen.com (website)

• See also my interview with Jathan Sadowski, on the May 11 show, about his book "Too Smart: How Digital Capitalism is Extracting Data, Controlling Our Lives, and Taking Over the World." Also quoted Sadowski in the Tech Pie on May 18: listen (about 2 minutes).


• Shown above: LinkNYC thread on Twitter (June 2, 2020): "Also, LinkNYC does not use wifi sniffers or other sensors to track people."

• Waterfront Toronto ditches Sidewalk Labs’ vision of high-tech, sensor-driven smart district at Quayside (The Star, June 30)

• Police Used Smart Streetlight Footage to Investigate Protesters (Voice of San Diego, June 29)

• Literacy for Incarcerated Teens

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  Ben Green's new book "The Smart Enough City" describes how cities can make use of digital technology, while preserving privacy and justice.
Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Favoriting
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  Mark's intro  
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  Interview with Ben Green  
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  Mark's comments after the interview  
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Steve Earle  City of Immigrants   Favoriting
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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonopolitans!
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melinda:

hi everyone!
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ultradamno:

When phone paranoia gets personal twitter.com...
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Fredericks:

Hot cha, I'm ready for some tech-talk.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, melinda, Fredericks! Thanks for joining.
  6:02pm
David in London:

Evening Technoids. Hello Mark.
Hi ultradamno.
  6:03pm
David in London:

Hi Melinda, Fredericks.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi David!
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ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and code trackers.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon Drives! Hey there!

Hi, ultradamno, Ken, David -- glad to see you!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi KfHP, Handy - thanks for being with us!
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Fredericks:

Hello, David, Mark and my fellow Techtypes.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonici!
  6:09pm
David in London:

Hello Handy. How are you?
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ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
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Mark Hurst:

Welcome, Bas.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Virtual Hullo Digital Citizens
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark! Having a nice singularity apocalypse?
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melinda:

@ultradamno the comments on that twitter are funny
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm
Handy Haversack:

Good, David -- got back in town this afternoon after and almost trafficless entry to the Megalopolis. Covered in mosquito and fly bites, but all totally worth it.

We luncheoned with Wendy del Formaggio in Vermont today! And she was impressed as we plotted our route in our road atlases since we have no tracking devices "helping" us navigate.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Some enthusiasm for MeWe of late?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm
melinda:

@Handy I still have my Vermont road atlas-gazeteer from when I lived there
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queems:

hi all
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Mark Hurst:

@RevRabbit @Webham @queems hi! Thanks for joining.
  6:15pm
Dave Miss:

Howdy all
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Ike:

I love a nice road atlas.
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Mark Hurst:

@queems p.s. glad you liked the Tech Pie this morning
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ultradamno:

In other words, to a man with a hammer every problem looks like a nail
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Mark Hurst:

@Davem @Ike hi, and yes, @Handy, I respect that!
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queems:

@mark the bee movie really got me
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm
Webhamster Henry:

Funny joke on the top mask. Sad fact: nobody cares about IPv6
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:19pm
Handy Haversack:

Going to order the Delorme for NH/VT soon -- we have NY, MI, ME.

@RevRab, I recall hearing that MeWe swung pretty alt-right when Google Plus was killed by Google. The DIY gaming community was looking for a new homebase, but most people rejected MeWe for its politics. I never really learned any details, though, since I wasn't going to land on any other social media.
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queems:

remember when these things were playing the haunted mr. softee jingle
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@Handy: Yup - that was the word when it came up before.
  6:22pm
kevlicki:

Late again. Hello fellow technoparanoids with contempt for surveillance power
  6:22pm
Glenn:

https://villagegreennj.com/community/bridging-the-digital-divide-maplewoods-neighborhood-wifi-program-is-rolled-out/
  6:30pm
kevlicki:

If a smartphone has WiFi “on” does it communicate with the linkNYC posts?
Will my reflectables protect me from their cameras?
  6:30pm
ignatatus666:

I was in Williamsburg one night eating in my car and walking my dog. I was parked right at one of these towers. Of course I could destroy but I did give it the finger as many times as I could. It definitely couldn’t scan my license plates because most of the color is peeled off.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...I can account for our accountability...
  6:31pm
ignatatus666:

Nice autocorrect
Of course I could not destroy it.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

*UNaccountability...
Autoincorrect...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm
Handy Haversack:

We (Greenpoint) were one of the first places to get them -- maybe because we had FIOS early? I have talked to some people who work for the city and state on the acquisition of the LinkNYC towers, and they really refuse to see them as anything but an unadulterated good, a service for residents. Seems like they just can't see these concerns as legit.
  6:34pm
Granny:

finally making it here while enjoying automobobbling with my sweetie. hello!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:41pm
Handy Haversack:

The new and useless ferry landings in NYC have self-driving cars to get people to the landings from the streets. This seems indicative to me.
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WR:

LinkNYC is presented as a replacement of payphones. Having a hard time grasping the economics under which payphones existed. Interesting note in Wikipedia entry for LinkNYC "Daniel L. Doctoroff, the former CEO of Bloomberg L.P. and former New York City Deputy Mayor for Economic Development and Rebuilding, is the CEO of Sidewalk Labs." Which follows: "Intersection is being led by a Sidewalk Labs-led group of investors who operate the company as a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. that focuses on solving problems unique to urban environments."

My comment is to underline what has already been said on this program.

The conversation you are having with Ben has many threads to be followed.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Talk about a Bill of Digital Rights...
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northguineahills:

arggh, only got here for the last 15 minutes!
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Handy Haversack:

Great interview, Mark! Thanks for that!
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Mark Hurst:

@Handy thanks!
  6:51pm
P-90:

Well, Mark: my compliments on succeeding in presenting one of the most depressing interviews yet.
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northguineahills:

as a former urban developer, this peeked my interest. To the archives!
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Megaroni:

Thank you Techtonic for bringing us these talented guests & yourself and devoted good work !
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northguineahills:

(an urban develper in NYC, but that was 2003-2005)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm
ultradamno:

Game changer that can't tell black people apart. Same old game.
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Mark Hurst:

@P-90 happy to hear it
  6:54pm
P-90:

Gonna have to read the book now...
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Mark Hurst:

@ngh yes listen to the whole thing, thanks!
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Mark Hurst:

@Megaroni thanks!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY MH
  6:55pm
David in London:

Thanks Mark.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  6:56pm
P-90:

Thanks!
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WR:

Thank you Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Mark Hurst:

@RevRabbit @DiL @Bas @P-90 @WR thank you!
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northguineahills:

@ultradamno: It's odd, but as a wasp, I find it harder to to tell white people faces then others of other ethnicities...
  6:58pm
Dave Miss:

Great interview
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
ultradamno:

@northguinea but it's the facial recognition software that will be sending people to jail
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
melinda:

Thanks Mark! Love the Steve Earle.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. If I venture to New York City some time, I'll set my phone to Airplane Mode and shine the flashlight at the kiosk's cameras that I pass.
  7:01pm
Sven Mühlender:

Hello All, Heyho Mark !
Nice Show ! Thanks and Greets from Berlin (Germany)
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Petricole:

Tuning in late in the game. I really appreciated the interview this week and will share widely with folks here in Toronto. Thanks so much Mark and Ben! Stay safe everyone.
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