WFMU: The Avant Ghetto with Jeff Conklin: Playlist from November 3, 2019

Listener comments!
	10:03pm tfunk: sup Jeff
	♥ 10:04pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hey Jeff!
	10:05pm Jeff Conklin: Hey all. Not too late to pledge, we're behind :/
	10:06pm fleep: Good evening, Jeff.
	10:07pm Carmichael: Aloha Amigos.
	10:10pm Jeff Conklin: sup sup sup sup
	♥ 10:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: I just pledged. Will the pumpkin show up so quickly?... I'm about to find out.
	♥ 10:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: PUMPKIN!
	10:13pm Jeff Conklin: Thanks Wendy!
	♥ 10:14pm Wendy del Formaggio: Sure thing! Thanks for all you do to make Sunday nights sound so good. With Therese, Gaylord, and your show, it's a fab line-up.
	10:15pm Yennifer: Evening, Jeff and all
	10:15pm Chris Wardell: Sup, Jeff. I just pledge in the Avant Ghetto’s honor. ✌️
	♥ 10:15pm RCU-Keith: Lovin this vibe so far. This is perfect night driving music.
	10:17pm Chris Wardell: Maybe slip in a Phish tune every now and then.
	10:17pm Jeff Conklin: That is, Chris. @keith: Agreed! (But drive safe)
	♥ 10:21pm Ignatatus666: Greetings Jeff Smash that goal tonight
	10:22pm Jeff Conklin: Tryin!
	10:24pm Yennifer: This cover <3
	10:24pm judy from croton: David crosby yes great and timely
	♥ 10:25pm melinda: hello!
	10:25pm judy from croton: Now you’re really reading my mind
	10:25pm Jeff Conklin: Hey Yennifer, judy, and melinda and anyone i missed
	♥ 10:27pm RCU-Keith: Oh man, that was great. I’ve only ever heard Index from their cover of “Eight Miles High,” but this makes me want to check out the rest of their recordings right away.
	10:27pm Carmichael: 2 words: Oz. Ric.
	10:29pm Carmichael: Helpless helpless ...
	10:29pm Yennifer: @Carmichael, yes, my thoughts as well
	10:31pm sboston: Absurdly good vibes on the air tonight
	♥ 10:33pm melinda: yes, love the vibe
	♥ 10:34pm Tome: HI Jeff & Everyone,,, this is the show where it's like ahhhh,, ,, just how it should be !<>!!
	10:34pm Jeff Conklin: When has this show ever been what it shouldnt be ;)
	♥ 10:36pm Tome: the ride has been Spectacular sll the way ! then and now !
	10:37pm Yennifer: Has anyone seen that Laurel Canyon doc on netflix? If not, don't waste your time...
	10:38pm Carmichael: Good ol’ Bert.
	10:40pm Carmichael: @Jeff, wha? That’s like Red Green saying it’s like reverse psychology, only backwards.
	10:42pm sadiwn: had that instant "woah, what's this?" reaction just now from this Young & Renshaw
	10:43pm highway: happy birthday Bert Jansch...a request for John Martyn sometime...thanks Jeff
	10:44pm Jeff Conklin: Martyn will be around someday
	10:45pm Jeff Conklin: @sadiwin Sadly the rest of he album is a bit meh
	♥ 10:45pm Irwin: Arthur Lee's "departure album" after Forever Changes.
	10:47pm Franco Twinkie: Four Sail is 50 years old. Arthur Lee has ridden off into the sunset.
	10:47pm Carmichael: I love Love.
	10:48pm Jeff Conklin: @Irwin: Theres a fair amount of good stuff post-Four Sail imho, Out Here is great!
	♥ 10:48pm Irwin: It was all downhill after Forever Changes. I liked quite a few tracks on Four Sail, Out Here, and False Start, but the mojo was gone. I air "Love Is More Than Words (Or Better Late Than Never)" once a year. Check the playlists!
	10:49pm Carmichael: Arthur suffered his 3rd strike in life.
	10:49pm Jeff Conklin: Fun fact: Love is one of the two bands I've permanently damaged my skin for
	♥ 10:51pm Irwin: It wasn't just Arthur who spiraled down. Did any other member of the FC band do anything of note afterwards? Bryan McLean either had a solo album or a posthumous compilation, but who else had an Act II?
	♥ 10:51pm Irwin: Lee allegedly fired the band's original drummer because "he did something with his mouth."
	10:52pm Jeff Conklin: Jay Donnelan went on to be in Morning, who i played earlier. Two great albums
	♥ 10:52pm Irwin: Jeff: Where is the epidermal damage and to what extent?
	10:53pm Jeff Conklin: HOLY SMOKES JUST 69 BUCKS TO HIT MY GOAL
	♥ 10:53pm Franco Twinkie: Well, no one would dispute Arthur Lee was a very erratic guy, but it was utterly ridiculous to expect another Forever Changes. That album was a one in a lifetime manifestation.
	♥ 10:53pm Irwin: Donnellan wasn't in the FC band. He debuted on Four Sail.
	10:54pm Jeff Conklin: Oh misread, thought we were talking FS. The tattoo is available for public viewings at the xmas party.
	♥ 10:55pm Irwin: Congrats. You've hit your goal. No need to thank me (until your next mic break).
	10:55pm Jeff Conklin: :P
	♥ 10:57pm Franco Twinkie: The Blue Thumb Love was a great hard rock band. They could be excessive, but Arthur Lees skill set was still intact. Plus, they looked real sharp!
	♥ 10:58pm Irwin: Out Here was a diluted double album. Too much filler. Would have made an excellent single disc release.
	♥ 11:00pm Irwin: Now let's talk about Spirit, a great, great band with a terrible, terrible drummer.
	11:01pm Dean: Bands that rip off CSN&Y? Then you must be a huge fan of Starcastle.
	♥ 11:03pm Franco Twinkie: Irwin, Agreed. More Willow Willow, less of Gary Rowels and George Suranoviches whackery But the times dictated double album sets.
	11:03pm ParUbi: Hey there
	11:04pm Carmichael: Don Conka was from my hometown area, and died eventually from a heart attck.
	♥ 11:04pm Franco Twinkie: Hard Meat was on the soundtrack of Pacific Vibrations. A surfing movie trapped in amber.
	11:05pm Carmichael: Irwin, I love Spirit. Was Ed Cassidy a bad drummer?
	♥ 11:06pm Irwin: John Densmore and Nick Mason were awful drummers. If you combine their awfulness you have the inept, hamfisted drumming of Spirit's Ed Cassidy. A jazz drummer who couldn't play rock. Rock can be sloppy, but it shouldn't be clumsy.
	♥ 11:07pm Franco Twinkie: I saw Jay with Arthur at UCLA. I guess there were no hard feeling after their purported fist fight at a show in Oakland.
	11:07pm Dean: Nick Mason...yeah, abysmal. I recall watching that stupid Pink Floyd movie thinking how miserable a drummer they had.
	11:08pm Dean: Densmore? Who knows where the crappiness with that band started?
	11:09pm Jeff Conklin: I tracked down Colorado Purple Gang from the PAcific Vibrations soundtrack and they sent me a bunch of unreleased music that you've heard if you've been listening to this show for a while...
	11:09pm Carmichael: I know nothing about drumming. I’ll take y’alls word for it.
	♥ 11:09pm brycepunk1: Love your show so much! I hate that I have to go to bed now. Thank you for all the amazing music through the years. :)
	♥ 11:10pm Irwin: Cassidy: nothing like a rock drummer whose fills always seem to conclude a half-beat before the rest of the band comes back in. Nick Mason is dreadful. That idiotic, lumbering beat. A drummer without chops.
	11:12pm Jeff Conklin: @bryce: thanks brother g'night
	♥ 11:15pm Franco Twinkie: Best rock drummer I ever saw was Aynsley Dunbar. Runner up - George Suranovich.
	♥ 11:15pm Irwin: Great drummers: Billy Ficca (Television, Waitresses); Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix); Jim Gordon; Tony Newman; Alex Van Halen; Joe Franco (Good Rats); Dino Danelli (Rascais); Dave Mattacks (Fairport); Phil Collins; Budgie (Siouxsie); Dave King (Bad Plus); Gavin Wallace-Ailsworth (Bent Knee); Animal (Sesame Street). That's just rock. Don't get me started on great jazz drummers, it'll never end.
	11:16pm Dean: Jim Black (kinda rock, kinda not), Bill Bruford (same), Billy Mintz (jazz)...
	♥ 11:18pm Franco Twinkie: Oh yeah! Billy Ficca. Subdued but steady....and he swings!
	♥ 11:18pm Irwin: Max Roach and Art Blakey were monsters. No one could touch 'em. Joe Morello was brilliant. And John Bonham wasn't too shabby.
	11:20pm Dean: I remember hearing Fantomas with Dave Lombardo. I dig Slayer, but what a fucked up mess he was at that show. He was to drums what Laswell is to bass: molasses.
	♥ 11:21pm Franco Twinkie: Elvin Jones, Chester Thomson, John French, Ritchie Hayward.
	♥ 11:21pm Irwin: Franco: Ficca seems underappreciated. Every part on every TV song is worth paying attention to. Start with ""Venus."
	11:22pm Dean: De Johnette. Scott Amendola.
	♥ 11:22pm Irwin: Note: Ringo wasn't a drummer. He was a Beatle.
	11:23pm Dean: And yes, Collins could be a stellar drummer when he wanted to be one. Hamid Drake.
	♥ 11:23pm Irwin: Let's not forget our own Dennis Diken. A R&R jackhammer.
	♥ 11:23pm Franco Twinkie: I agree, Irwin. In The early days, Verlaine and Lloyd could really go into outer space, but Billy kept them on a leach.
	11:23pm Dean: Well, then, Nicky Beat. K.K.
	11:25pm Dean: Fritz Hauser
	11:25pm yes: Thanks for the calming tunes , Jeff
	11:26pm Dean: Gerry Hemingway
	♥ 11:26pm Irwin: Billy Martin, Elvin Jones, Philly Joe, the guy from Spoon (can't think of his name), Stanton Moore.
	11:26pm Dean: Steve Reich (joking, for christ's sake)
	11:27pm Dean: Motian, Lovens...did I mention Billy Mintz?
	♥ 11:28pm Franco Twinkie: K.K. Barrett Was rock steady, but because of the electro primitive nature of The Screamers, who knows what he could really do. I never saw The Brainiacs so I can't say.
	11:28pm Jeff Conklin: @yes: Welcome
	11:28pm Dean: The dude from Def Leppard isn't half bad.
	♥ 11:29pm Irwin: One of the best drum showcases I've ever witnessed was a complete surprise: Richard X. Heyman with the Doughboys. His drumming was a focal point. He had technique, speed, and showmanship.
	♥ 11:30pm Irwin: Dean: I see what you did there!
	11:32pm Dean: Russ Kunkel?
	♥ 11:33pm Franco Twinkie: Mel Taylor was very good. Not a basher, but very loud because he had great technique.
	11:34pm Dean: Tomas Haake, for sure. Lars Ulrich, for sure not.
	♥ 11:35pm Franco Twinkie: I saw Drumbo solo, then get off his drum stool and tap dance!
	♥ 11:35pm melinda: @Dean haha
	11:36pm Dean: Watts the name of that guy who keeps rhythm for the Stones? He's pretty good.
	♥ 11:39pm Irwin: Let's not forget Han Bennink, the greatest cheese-drum soloist.
	11:40pm Dean: Bennink, of course! I heard him drum with Hemingway. And Sven-Ake Jahansson.
	11:42pm mb: A late hello. Still getting mileage off that Mark Fry tune you played last week Senor Conklin. Oh fave drummers: Chad Taylor, Joe Russo, Billy Martin, Ches Smith, Milford Graves, so many
	11:42pm Dean: Alex Cline is actually really good.
	11:43pm Dean: Susie Ibarra
	♥ 11:45pm Franco Twinkie: I love Charlie Watts! Very steady and unflappable, plus he slugged Mick Jagger and knocked him down. In a fist fight, a great drummer will always knock the stuffing out of a dancer.
	♥ 11:45pm Irwin: Terri Lyne Carrington is good, but I never seem to like her music.
	♥ 11:47pm Irwin: Honorable mentions: Sheila E.; Georgia Hubley.
	11:48pm Dean: John Cowsill. I don't in fact stand by that, but I saw him backing Dwight Twilley at a tiny club in Buena Park, CA. Fond memories.
	11:49pm Dean: Hey! Phil Seymour
	♥ 11:49pm Irwin: I stood thru five songs by the White Stripes at Maxwell's before the chick drummer dashed any further interest I had in the band.
	11:51pm Dean: Mani Neumeir
	♥ 11:52pm Franco Twinkie: Richard Delvy. I never saw The Challengers, but his stick work on K-39 is real nice.
	♥ 11:52pm Irwin: Keith Moon: you either love him or hate him. No middle ground.
	11:54pm Ryan from Detroit: Itasca jam -great loose sway, tasteful wah... so good
	11:54pm Dean: Hmmm, I would have imagined that Moon would have prompted more subtle responses. He was obviously talented. Yet he was excessive. I love him, but I can easily imagine hating him.
	11:55pm mb: Who are 3 that you base your style off of, Irwin?
	11:56pm Dean: Drummers that you love or hate? Neil Peart. Stewart Copeland. I hate them. But I acknowledge that there are contrary opinions.
	♥ 11:56pm Irwin: I always wanted to be Mitch Mitchell or Dino Danelli, but any comparisons are laughable.
	♥ 11:57pm Tome: Clem Burke !,.! well I always liked him !<>!
	♥ 11:57pm Franco Twinkie: I like Keith! He liked to break stuff. After I take a shower, I'm going to practice my rudiments till the sun comes up! Night all.
	11:58pm mb: Thanks DJ Jeff Conklin
	♥ 11:58pm Irwin: Dean: Stewart Copeland is a wizard. Amazing versatility. Great example of a very musical drummer; uses the kit for more than just rhythm. Love his drumming, in and out of the Police. Don't underestimate him.
	♥ 11:59pm Irwin: Thanks, Jeff, for providing a nice soundtrack to our drum dish.
	12:00am Dean: Sorry, Irwin, but to my ear Copeland is a mere time-keeper, a metronome. He has awful tone, no respect for the skin.
	12:00am Jeff Conklin: Thanks, all. Good night and thanks for listening. Rasheid Ali.
	12:01am Dean: Hell, yes, Rasheid Ali, and Sunny Murray!
	♥ 12:06am Irwin: I see your Sunny Murray and raise you a Clifford Jarvis!
	12:09am Bob O: Favorite Keith Moon story. He used to bring plumbing tools to his hotel room. He would then proceed to remove the toilet bowl from the bathroom and dressed in a horse riding outfit, replete with helmet, sit on the bowl in the hotel elevator reading a newspaper, and press every floor button, just to see the looks on people's faces when the doors opened... ;)
	1:55am moelarryandjesus: Phenomenal show. Sorry I missed it live.

The Avant Ghetto with Jeff Conklin: Playlist from November 3, 2019

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November 3, 2019

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Party of the Sun	Waters Again "Waters Again" by "Party of the Sun"	Trekker	Trailing Twelve Records	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Morning	Only to Say Goodnight "Only to Say Goodnight" by "Morning"	Struck Like Silver	Fantasy	0:03:34 (Pop-up)
Mother Tuckers Yellow Duck	Middlefield County	Starting a New Day	Capitol Records	0:07:04 (Pop-up)
Big Front Yard	In Your Wagon "In Your Wagon" by "Big Front Yard"	Big Front Yard	Thylacine Records	0:12:09 (Pop-up)
Index	I Met a Man "I Met a Man" by "Index"	Black Album / Red Album / Yesterday & Today	Lion	0:18:44 (Pop-up)
Bluebird	I Shall Be Released "I Shall Be Released" by "Bluebird"	7"	Jerden	0:21:56 (Pop-up)
Kent Harrison Boyles	Before I'm Gone	Kent Harrison Boyles	Kent Harrison Boyles Self-Released	0:25:14 (Pop-up)
Roger McGuinn	Lost My Drivin' Wheel	Roger Mcguinn	Columbia	0:30:30 (Pop-up)
Bert Jansch	Open Up the Watergate (Let the Sunshine in)	LA Turnaround	Charisma	0:34:55 (Pop-up)
Young & Renshaw	Mary Come Now "Mary Come Now" by "Young & Renshaw"	This Is Young & Renshaw	Bell	0:37:19 (Pop-up)
Love	Singing Cowboy "Singing Cowboy" by "Love"	Four Sail	Elektra	0:40:40 (Pop-up)
Wet Tuna	Poor Old Interstellar "Poor Old Interstellar" by "Wet Tuna"	Water Weird	Three Lobed	0:46:01 (Pop-up)

Grace Cummings	The Look You Gave "The Look You Gave" by "Grace Cummings"	Refuge Cove	Flightless	1:04:48 (Pop-up)
Owen Tromans	Marin Pale's Ghost "Marin Pale's Ghost" by "Owen Tromans"	Between Stones	Sacred Geometry	1:08:43 (Pop-up)
Donovan Quinn	I Wanna Be Your Ghost	Absalom	Soft Abuse	1:12:22 (Pop-up)
Richard Youngs & Raül Refree	Another Language	All Hands Around the Moment	Soft Abuse	1:16:25 (Pop-up)
Fumio & Osamu	Ronshuiko "Ronshuiko" by "Fumio & Osamu"	Shin Chugoku	Atlantic (Japan)	1:24:18 (Pop-up)
Moon Bros.	Temporary Thoughts "Temporary Thoughts" by "Moon Bros."	The Easy Way Is Hard Enough	Western Vinyl	1:28:06 (Pop-up)
Andrew DR Abbott	Heaton Wild Woods	Dead In Chellow Dean	Feeding Tube / Cardinal Fuzz	1:33:45 (Pop-up)
J.R. Bohannon	Dusk "Dusk" by "J.R. Bohannon"	Dusk	figureeight	1:37:12 (Pop-up)
The High Sheriffs	Villagers "Villagers" by "The High Sheriffs"	High Sheriffs	Garden Portal	1:42:50 (Pop-up)
Itasca	Plains "Plains" by "Itasca"	Spring	Paradise of Bachelors	1:46:52 (Pop-up)
Beau	Morning Sun "Morning Sun" by "Beau"	Beau	Dandelion	1:55:36 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:03pm tfunk: sup Jeff
	♥ 10:04pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hey Jeff!
	10:05pm Jeff Conklin: Hey all. Not too late to pledge, we're behind :/
	10:06pm fleep: Good evening, Jeff.
	10:07pm Carmichael: Aloha Amigos.
	10:10pm Jeff Conklin: sup sup sup sup
	♥ 10:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: I just pledged. Will the pumpkin show up so quickly?... I'm about to find out.
	♥ 10:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: PUMPKIN!
	10:13pm Jeff Conklin: Thanks Wendy!
	♥ 10:14pm Wendy del Formaggio: Sure thing! Thanks for all you do to make Sunday nights sound so good. With Therese, Gaylord, and your show, it's a fab line-up.
	10:15pm Yennifer: Evening, Jeff and all
	10:15pm Chris Wardell: Sup, Jeff. I just pledge in the Avant Ghetto’s honor. ✌️
	♥ 10:15pm RCU-Keith: Lovin this vibe so far. This is perfect night driving music.
	10:17pm Chris Wardell: Maybe slip in a Phish tune every now and then.
	10:17pm Jeff Conklin: That is, Chris. @keith: Agreed! (But drive safe)
	♥ 10:21pm Ignatatus666: Greetings Jeff Smash that goal tonight
	10:22pm Jeff Conklin: Tryin!
	10:24pm Yennifer: This cover <3
	10:24pm judy from croton: David crosby yes great and timely
	♥ 10:25pm melinda: hello!
	10:25pm judy from croton: Now you’re really reading my mind
	10:25pm Jeff Conklin: Hey Yennifer, judy, and melinda and anyone i missed
	♥ 10:27pm RCU-Keith: Oh man, that was great. I’ve only ever heard Index from their cover of “Eight Miles High,” but this makes me want to check out the rest of their recordings right away.
	10:27pm Carmichael: 2 words: Oz. Ric.
	10:29pm Carmichael: Helpless helpless ...
	10:29pm Yennifer: @Carmichael, yes, my thoughts as well
	10:31pm sboston: Absurdly good vibes on the air tonight
	♥ 10:33pm melinda: yes, love the vibe
	♥ 10:34pm Tome: HI Jeff & Everyone,,, this is the show where it's like ahhhh,, ,, just how it should be !<>!!
	10:34pm Jeff Conklin: When has this show ever been what it shouldnt be ;)
	♥ 10:36pm Tome: the ride has been Spectacular sll the way ! then and now !
	10:37pm Yennifer: Has anyone seen that Laurel Canyon doc on netflix? If not, don't waste your time...
	10:38pm Carmichael: Good ol’ Bert.
	10:40pm Carmichael: @Jeff, wha? That’s like Red Green saying it’s like reverse psychology, only backwards.
	10:42pm sadiwn: had that instant "woah, what's this?" reaction just now from this Young & Renshaw
	10:43pm highway: happy birthday Bert Jansch...a request for John Martyn sometime...thanks Jeff
	10:44pm Jeff Conklin: Martyn will be around someday
	10:45pm Jeff Conklin: @sadiwin Sadly the rest of he album is a bit meh
	♥ 10:45pm Irwin: Arthur Lee's "departure album" after Forever Changes.
	10:47pm Franco Twinkie: Four Sail is 50 years old. Arthur Lee has ridden off into the sunset.
	10:47pm Carmichael: I love Love.
	10:48pm Jeff Conklin: @Irwin: Theres a fair amount of good stuff post-Four Sail imho, Out Here is great!
	♥ 10:48pm Irwin: It was all downhill after Forever Changes. I liked quite a few tracks on Four Sail, Out Here, and False Start, but the mojo was gone. I air "Love Is More Than Words (Or Better Late Than Never)" once a year. Check the playlists!
	10:49pm Carmichael: Arthur suffered his 3rd strike in life.
	10:49pm Jeff Conklin: Fun fact: Love is one of the two bands I've permanently damaged my skin for
	♥ 10:51pm Irwin: It wasn't just Arthur who spiraled down. Did any other member of the FC band do anything of note afterwards? Bryan McLean either had a solo album or a posthumous compilation, but who else had an Act II?
	♥ 10:51pm Irwin: Lee allegedly fired the band's original drummer because "he did something with his mouth."
	10:52pm Jeff Conklin: Jay Donnelan went on to be in Morning, who i played earlier. Two great albums
	♥ 10:52pm Irwin: Jeff: Where is the epidermal damage and to what extent?
	10:53pm Jeff Conklin: HOLY SMOKES JUST 69 BUCKS TO HIT MY GOAL
	♥ 10:53pm Franco Twinkie: Well, no one would dispute Arthur Lee was a very erratic guy, but it was utterly ridiculous to expect another Forever Changes. That album was a one in a lifetime manifestation.
	♥ 10:53pm Irwin: Donnellan wasn't in the FC band. He debuted on Four Sail.
	10:54pm Jeff Conklin: Oh misread, thought we were talking FS. The tattoo is available for public viewings at the xmas party.
	♥ 10:55pm Irwin: Congrats. You've hit your goal. No need to thank me (until your next mic break).
	10:55pm Jeff Conklin: :P
	♥ 10:57pm Franco Twinkie: The Blue Thumb Love was a great hard rock band. They could be excessive, but Arthur Lees skill set was still intact. Plus, they looked real sharp!
	♥ 10:58pm Irwin: Out Here was a diluted double album. Too much filler. Would have made an excellent single disc release.
	♥ 11:00pm Irwin: Now let's talk about Spirit, a great, great band with a terrible, terrible drummer.
	11:01pm Dean: Bands that rip off CSN&Y? Then you must be a huge fan of Starcastle.
	♥ 11:03pm Franco Twinkie: Irwin, Agreed. More Willow Willow, less of Gary Rowels and George Suranoviches whackery But the times dictated double album sets.
	11:03pm ParUbi: Hey there
	11:04pm Carmichael: Don Conka was from my hometown area, and died eventually from a heart attck.
	♥ 11:04pm Franco Twinkie: Hard Meat was on the soundtrack of Pacific Vibrations. A surfing movie trapped in amber.
	11:05pm Carmichael: Irwin, I love Spirit. Was Ed Cassidy a bad drummer?
	♥ 11:06pm Irwin: John Densmore and Nick Mason were awful drummers. If you combine their awfulness you have the inept, hamfisted drumming of Spirit's Ed Cassidy. A jazz drummer who couldn't play rock. Rock can be sloppy, but it shouldn't be clumsy.
	♥ 11:07pm Franco Twinkie: I saw Jay with Arthur at UCLA. I guess there were no hard feeling after their purported fist fight at a show in Oakland.
	11:07pm Dean: Nick Mason...yeah, abysmal. I recall watching that stupid Pink Floyd movie thinking how miserable a drummer they had.
	11:08pm Dean: Densmore? Who knows where the crappiness with that band started?
	11:09pm Jeff Conklin: I tracked down Colorado Purple Gang from the PAcific Vibrations soundtrack and they sent me a bunch of unreleased music that you've heard if you've been listening to this show for a while...
	11:09pm Carmichael: I know nothing about drumming. I’ll take y’alls word for it.
	♥ 11:09pm brycepunk1: Love your show so much! I hate that I have to go to bed now. Thank you for all the amazing music through the years. :)
	♥ 11:10pm Irwin: Cassidy: nothing like a rock drummer whose fills always seem to conclude a half-beat before the rest of the band comes back in. Nick Mason is dreadful. That idiotic, lumbering beat. A drummer without chops.
	11:12pm Jeff Conklin: @bryce: thanks brother g'night
	♥ 11:15pm Franco Twinkie: Best rock drummer I ever saw was Aynsley Dunbar. Runner up - George Suranovich.
	♥ 11:15pm Irwin: Great drummers: Billy Ficca (Television, Waitresses); Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix); Jim Gordon; Tony Newman; Alex Van Halen; Joe Franco (Good Rats); Dino Danelli (Rascais); Dave Mattacks (Fairport); Phil Collins; Budgie (Siouxsie); Dave King (Bad Plus); Gavin Wallace-Ailsworth (Bent Knee); Animal (Sesame Street). That's just rock. Don't get me started on great jazz drummers, it'll never end.
	11:16pm Dean: Jim Black (kinda rock, kinda not), Bill Bruford (same), Billy Mintz (jazz)...
	♥ 11:18pm Franco Twinkie: Oh yeah! Billy Ficca. Subdued but steady....and he swings!
	♥ 11:18pm Irwin: Max Roach and Art Blakey were monsters. No one could touch 'em. Joe Morello was brilliant. And John Bonham wasn't too shabby.
	11:20pm Dean: I remember hearing Fantomas with Dave Lombardo. I dig Slayer, but what a fucked up mess he was at that show. He was to drums what Laswell is to bass: molasses.
	♥ 11:21pm Franco Twinkie: Elvin Jones, Chester Thomson, John French, Ritchie Hayward.
	♥ 11:21pm Irwin: Franco: Ficca seems underappreciated. Every part on every TV song is worth paying attention to. Start with ""Venus."
	11:22pm Dean: De Johnette. Scott Amendola.
	♥ 11:22pm Irwin: Note: Ringo wasn't a drummer. He was a Beatle.
	11:23pm Dean: And yes, Collins could be a stellar drummer when he wanted to be one. Hamid Drake.
	♥ 11:23pm Irwin: Let's not forget our own Dennis Diken. A R&R jackhammer.
	♥ 11:23pm Franco Twinkie: I agree, Irwin. In The early days, Verlaine and Lloyd could really go into outer space, but Billy kept them on a leach.
	11:23pm Dean: Well, then, Nicky Beat. K.K.
	11:25pm Dean: Fritz Hauser
	11:25pm yes: Thanks for the calming tunes , Jeff
	11:26pm Dean: Gerry Hemingway
	♥ 11:26pm Irwin: Billy Martin, Elvin Jones, Philly Joe, the guy from Spoon (can't think of his name), Stanton Moore.
	11:26pm Dean: Steve Reich (joking, for christ's sake)
	11:27pm Dean: Motian, Lovens...did I mention Billy Mintz?
	♥ 11:28pm Franco Twinkie: K.K. Barrett Was rock steady, but because of the electro primitive nature of The Screamers, who knows what he could really do. I never saw The Brainiacs so I can't say.
	11:28pm Jeff Conklin: @yes: Welcome
	11:28pm Dean: The dude from Def Leppard isn't half bad.
	♥ 11:29pm Irwin: One of the best drum showcases I've ever witnessed was a complete surprise: Richard X. Heyman with the Doughboys. His drumming was a focal point. He had technique, speed, and showmanship.
	♥ 11:30pm Irwin: Dean: I see what you did there!
	11:32pm Dean: Russ Kunkel?
	♥ 11:33pm Franco Twinkie: Mel Taylor was very good. Not a basher, but very loud because he had great technique.
	11:34pm Dean: Tomas Haake, for sure. Lars Ulrich, for sure not.
	♥ 11:35pm Franco Twinkie: I saw Drumbo solo, then get off his drum stool and tap dance!
	♥ 11:35pm melinda: @Dean haha
	11:36pm Dean: Watts the name of that guy who keeps rhythm for the Stones? He's pretty good.
	♥ 11:39pm Irwin: Let's not forget Han Bennink, the greatest cheese-drum soloist.
	11:40pm Dean: Bennink, of course! I heard him drum with Hemingway. And Sven-Ake Jahansson.
	11:42pm mb: A late hello. Still getting mileage off that Mark Fry tune you played last week Senor Conklin. Oh fave drummers: Chad Taylor, Joe Russo, Billy Martin, Ches Smith, Milford Graves, so many
	11:42pm Dean: Alex Cline is actually really good.
	11:43pm Dean: Susie Ibarra
	♥ 11:45pm Franco Twinkie: I love Charlie Watts! Very steady and unflappable, plus he slugged Mick Jagger and knocked him down. In a fist fight, a great drummer will always knock the stuffing out of a dancer.
	♥ 11:45pm Irwin: Terri Lyne Carrington is good, but I never seem to like her music.
	♥ 11:47pm Irwin: Honorable mentions: Sheila E.; Georgia Hubley.
	11:48pm Dean: John Cowsill. I don't in fact stand by that, but I saw him backing Dwight Twilley at a tiny club in Buena Park, CA. Fond memories.
	11:49pm Dean: Hey! Phil Seymour
	♥ 11:49pm Irwin: I stood thru five songs by the White Stripes at Maxwell's before the chick drummer dashed any further interest I had in the band.
	11:51pm Dean: Mani Neumeir
	♥ 11:52pm Franco Twinkie: Richard Delvy. I never saw The Challengers, but his stick work on K-39 is real nice.
	♥ 11:52pm Irwin: Keith Moon: you either love him or hate him. No middle ground.
	11:54pm Ryan from Detroit: Itasca jam -great loose sway, tasteful wah... so good
	11:54pm Dean: Hmmm, I would have imagined that Moon would have prompted more subtle responses. He was obviously talented. Yet he was excessive. I love him, but I can easily imagine hating him.
	11:55pm mb: Who are 3 that you base your style off of, Irwin?
	11:56pm Dean: Drummers that you love or hate? Neil Peart. Stewart Copeland. I hate them. But I acknowledge that there are contrary opinions.
	♥ 11:56pm Irwin: I always wanted to be Mitch Mitchell or Dino Danelli, but any comparisons are laughable.
	♥ 11:57pm Tome: Clem Burke !,.! well I always liked him !<>!
	♥ 11:57pm Franco Twinkie: I like Keith! He liked to break stuff. After I take a shower, I'm going to practice my rudiments till the sun comes up! Night all.
	11:58pm mb: Thanks DJ Jeff Conklin
	♥ 11:58pm Irwin: Dean: Stewart Copeland is a wizard. Amazing versatility. Great example of a very musical drummer; uses the kit for more than just rhythm. Love his drumming, in and out of the Police. Don't underestimate him.
	♥ 11:59pm Irwin: Thanks, Jeff, for providing a nice soundtrack to our drum dish.
	12:00am Dean: Sorry, Irwin, but to my ear Copeland is a mere time-keeper, a metronome. He has awful tone, no respect for the skin.
	12:00am Jeff Conklin: Thanks, all. Good night and thanks for listening. Rasheid Ali.
	12:01am Dean: Hell, yes, Rasheid Ali, and Sunny Murray!
	♥ 12:06am Irwin: I see your Sunny Murray and raise you a Clifford Jarvis!
	12:09am Bob O: Favorite Keith Moon story. He used to bring plumbing tools to his hotel room. He would then proceed to remove the toilet bowl from the bathroom and dressed in a horse riding outfit, replete with helmet, sit on the bowl in the hotel elevator reading a newspaper, and press every floor button, just to see the looks on people's faces when the doors opened... ;)
	1:55am moelarryandjesus: Phenomenal show. Sorry I missed it live.

The Avant Ghetto with Jeff Conklin: Playlist from November 3, 2019

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