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Favoriting April 15, 2019: Clive Thompson, author, "Coders"

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This week: Clive Thompson, author, "Coders"



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Pointers to Clive Thompson:

• Web: clivethompson.net

• Twitter: @pomeranian99

• Book: Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World

• The Efficiency Delusion, by Clive Thompson and Evan Selinger (who himself co-authored "Re-Engineering Humanity" with past guest Brett Frischmann): "Placing efficiency over other values can be a mistake — a lapse in ethical, political, personal, or professional judgment. Some human or civic interactions thrive when they’re deliberate and erode when they’re sped up."

• Delorean Sisters on Bandcamp (Clive on banjo, guitar, harmonica)

• Clive's announcement of his wife Emily Nussbaum's new book about TV

Recent tech news:

• Amazon reportedly employs thousands of people to listen to your Alexa conversations (CNN, April 11): "Amazon confirmed to CNN Business that it hires people to listen to what customers say to Alexa. But Amazon said it takes 'security and privacy of our customers' personal information seriously.' The company said it only annotates an 'extremely small number of interactions from a random set of customers.'"

• Alice Goldfuss posts: "TECH CONSUMERS: Alexa decides what music I listen to, what my children eat, and who can open my door
TECH WORKERS: my address is a secret and my children play with rocks"

• Facebook plans to pass your photographs to advertisers and make users the stars of online ads, patent reveals (Telegraph, April 9): Facebook granted US patent for "system which can detect photos people have uploaded that feature items such as alcoholic drinks and snacks. The company would then pass those images to the brands, which would turn them into adverts for other Facebook users to see."

• New Zealand's privacy commissioner, John Edwards posted (reports Guardian, Apr 7): "Facebook cannot be trusted. They are morally bankrupt pathological liars who enable genocide (Myanmar), & facilitate foreign undermining of democratic institutions."

• via Rob Price and Business Insider (Apr 12): "Facebook accidentally shipped 'tens of thousands' of VR controllers with hidden messages like 'Big Brother is Watching' and 'The Masons Were Here.'"

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techryptographers!
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Phillippe Bastille:

Hi Teccers (Tonicers?)
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Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonicoids!
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TDK60:

You're gettin' technical.
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Ike:

Meow.
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Taxtonics!
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Jeff Moore:

Mark! Techie McTechfaces!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

HolySmokes. Three GodzillaWatchParties...faceborg is destroying my mind...
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

How are we supposed to read those Techtroglyphs on today's image?
Also, 99% of the goal!
  6:03pm
chresti:

Hello technoids
  6:03pm
Dave Miss:

Hello all.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
listener james from westwood:

Yay, pledgers—we'll see that 100% animation yet!
  6:05pm
melinda:

Welcome back Mark!
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Beast of Boonton:

Mark - Did you go tech free on your week off?
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chris:

hi, Mark and techtonaughts. hey, i'm a coder. what shall i learn about myself and my colleagues this evening...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry:

And Hi to Clive, who owes me some prize for cracking the vigenere puzzle in ST!M Magazine (Dot-com era web zine).
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Jeff Moore:

Who calls it the "show notes" page?
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Buffalo's Tom:

Hi all! Welcome back, Mark!
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annie:

present!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
Granny Spicy Tuna:

'ere!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm
listener james from westwood:

"the Hudson River's right there" = me cackling in my kitchen
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

But ... but ... but - www.carscoops.com... "Buyers Want Amazon Alexa And Google Assistant In Their Cars, Study Finds"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
Granny Spicy Tuna:

smarte spatula TM tells you when your pancake is browned to perfection
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Buffalo's Tom:

"Alexa, what did I say yesterday at 4:13 PM?"
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listener james from westwood:

Alice Goldfuss!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:11pm
Webhamster Henry:

"Alexa: what did Fred say to Siri about me"
  6:12pm
juje:

facebooks new 'delete a message' feature? zucko had access to that feature FOR YEARS.
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Buffalo's Tom:

Haha @Henry
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ɛɨk:

I can answer that question about the numerous independent contractors, at least at one Amzn-owned local co.: They can opt into health benefits, but they are shittier and more expensive than the FTE health benefits. Aetna instead of BCBS, that should tell you all you need to know right there.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:13pm
diciassette:

This is too good. I am turning my surveillance device back on as soon as I get home. Hello!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
Phillippe Bastille:

"Alexa: Play WFMU" is still worthwhile...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Courtney T. Edison: WFMU's Old Coder. I think he used knitting needles to punch holes into a thin strip of leather to program his computing device.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Okay. I'm frightened.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Always thot that. 'Computers are logical - just follow what they say'...yeah - if you think like this Programmer...
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Webhamster Henry:

I usually write a script if I have to do something three times!
  6:21pm
Martinibomb:

Very interesting radio today.
  6:21pm
chresti:

I bought a wooden spoon today. As far as I know, it won’t read my mind...
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diciassette:

Webhamster Henry, now that's being pragmatic. Sometimes I write a script for something I've never done before.
  6:23pm
The Butterman:

Does Mark remind us of Dave Emory?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:23pm
Granny Spicy Tuna:

i have heard that uber helicopters are in the works
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Jeff Moore:

The three virtues of a programmer: laziness, impatience, and hubris.

www.perl.com...
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northguineahills:

@Jeff: That explains me, I only possess the first quality....
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:28pm
ultradamno:

And anti-vaxer talk is a good example of something that wouldn't have previously gotten any traction that has resulted in real world consequences like a measles outbreak.
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herb.nyc:

I LIKE this show. -- I LIKE this show. -- I LIKE this...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...yes - we should be able to clicky-star each other off the island...
Interviewer: Do you expect WFMU to not have to worry about money?
StationManager: No - that would mean we've sold out...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:

My app sales are hockey sticks .. pointing the other way though.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I always figure I'm so weird I won't fit in a lowest common denominator algorithm anyhow. Sounds too much like if yer innocent you don't need civil rights...
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listener james from westwood:

Is this in ref. to Prof. Marie Hicks's Programmed Inequality?
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herb.nyc:

This book "reads like butter"? Well I just picked up "algorithms of oppression" from library, thx to mark
and techtoenails show. will try to read >80pages, which is about how much iread of douglas rushkoff's "team human" before i had to return to library. and that book was *terrific", really opening my eyes. i guess i'm just a coke-addled 14yo add kid who has to learn to focus.
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ultradamno:

Halt And Catch Fire was kind of the coder equivalent of Mad Men, in that it dealt (in part) with women rising up in the coding world.
  6:42pm
JakeGould:

These show notes are very informational.
  6:43pm
Dave Miss:

So where is coding going? Will Sir Tim Berners-Lee be able to create an open source second Internet with new types of coding languages?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry:

Lemme tell you - there is definitely age discrimination in coder hiring.
  6:45pm
JakeGould:

FWIW, most of these 6 month intensive JavaScript bootcamp programs are kinda scammy. They only teach you front-end JavaScript at best. Very little of the server-side stuff.
  6:45pm
melinda:

I was class of 94 too. In art.
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dale:

i was a pagemaker and paint whiz. then POOF!
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dale:

henry - there is age discrimination in ALL hiring.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...now now - none of this Commie Anti-Monopoly talk...
  6:48pm
Kramer:

My theory as to why WordPerfect lost was that the mouse came along.
  6:49pm
Listener Robert:

WordPerfect 5.1 was the pinnacle of word processing.
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Jeff Moore:

No. Micro$oft Word is terrible. Nobody should still be using it.

(Really, though, those attempted-WYSIWYG editors are a terrible idea. Just use a markup language in a plain-text editor! TeX for the win!)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
spaghetti head:

Not using Windows definitely improves your computing life. "Get off of Windows!" Yes.
  6:50pm
JakeGould:

@Jeff: MarkDown works great.
  6:50pm
Listener Robert:

Why would people want a word processing program that doesn't have "Reveal Codes"?
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dale:

webhamster's henry comment really...
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Webhamster Henry:

I am !on. (bang on).
  6:52pm
?question:

Why can't we get hack-proof voting machines?
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listener james from westwood:

Fuck Bloomberg.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Voting?? Why should that be a priority in a proud rich Democracy...Republic...thing...
  6:54pm
Listener Robert:

To this day I struggle to put text in the proper place relative to hard breaks or the starts and stops of font-modifying codes. In WordPerfect it was all clear.

However, they started to go off the rails with 6.0.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm
chris:

10,000 hrs for programmers, yes. for developers, probably not. you also need people skills and business knowledge.
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dale:

i've sat in ad meetings where young new people were presenting work that the client rejected weeks before but you weren't supposed to bring that up and stifle their creativity.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm
Granny Spicy Tuna:

o, yeah— i live a 20-minute walk from Valencia Street in SF and am all too aware of what these young white brogrammers like.
  6:55pm
chresti:

If I’m ever given an Alexa, I’m going to tell it to give me money
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listener james from westwood:

My first supervisor, an FMU listener from way back, had an 11" x 17" foldout of every useful WP 5.1 keyboard command. Still have it, in case it's all we have after the computer apocalypse.
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mrdonutsu:

I roll my eyes at everyone's stated fondness for software they haven't used in 20 years. Pretty certain you would consider it to be crap now.
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northguineahills:

Thanks Mark and Clive. I still think all front and back code should be available to customers....
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Granny Spicy Tuna:

this has been an excellent program, thank you!
  6:56pm
melinda:

Great show.
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark & Clive Thompson
  6:57pm
chresti:

Thanks. I used to be a paste-up artist for a book publisher
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spaghetti head:

Yes, great show. Thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
chris:

thanks, Mark and Clive. good stuff.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark and Clive!
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Webhamster Henry:

This has been fun! See ya,
Signed Nemo from Echo.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

The future is dogramming or maybe catgramming.
  6:58pm
Jay:

Have y'all ever done a show on decentralized systems? Would be really into listening to folks prattle on about gossip protocols and such.
  6:58pm
Listener Robert:

Yay!
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spaghetti head:

ps Google, get off SF!
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ultradamno:

The sister cars of the future.
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Siouxsie:

Great show thanks :)
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