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Listener comments!

Avatar 6:03pm Clay Pigeon:

Hello Pigeonnaires!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Matt from Springfield:

Shutdown/Brinksmanship Street Interviews!

Hello Clay and all you lovely Pigeonnaires out there!
Avatar 6:03pm sFrances from VA:

Hello hello hello!
Avatar 6:04pm Clay Pigeon:

Matt and Frances. My stalwarts. Thank you for attending.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Matt from Springfield:

Close it up, close it up, Boehner's gonna shut us - down!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm davex:

Hi Clay - good to hear you again live...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Matt from Springfield:

And hello again, Stalwart Frances!
Avatar 6:05pm Clay Pigeon:

Hope not, Matt!
Avatar 6:05pm Clay Pigeon:

davex - welcome my friend!
Avatar 6:06pm dale:

upstate listening. first fire in the woodstove of the season, too. popcorn and vodka in hand, dusty show - perfect nite
Avatar 6:06pm sFrances from VA:

Hey Stalwart Matt, I'll be at the Maria Bamford show in DC on 11/9
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Matt from Springfield:

Defaults are serious biz, I hope they pull back from that threat too.
I haven't come up with lyrics to go with, but last week I felt (for some reason) that Marvin Gaye's "Got To Give It Up" should be redone as the "Shutdown Boogie". Not sure why, but that tune is great.
Avatar 6:07pm Clay Pigeon:

Hope the leaves are still there, dale.
Avatar 6:07pm sFrances from VA:

Clay: you keep us stalwarts on a steady course during these troubled times, eternal gratitude~
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Matt from Springfield:

Hey davex and dale!

@Frances: All right! I'll check my schedge! :)
Avatar 6:08pm northguineahills:

*sniff* That's beautiful Dale!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm Matt from Springfield:

FRED??! Who was THAT?! :D
Avatar 6:08pm sFrances from VA:

@Dale: mmm, woodstove. Flying Dog Raging Bitch beer for me, tho I do wish I had whiskey instead to take the damp chill off....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm davex:

Thanks Clay!

Hi Matt, Frances, everyone...
Avatar 6:08pm Clay Pigeon:

I like that Marvin, too, Matthew. Thanks Frances! I know this political stuff eliminates a certain audience percentage. As will this Arcadia.
  6:08pm John:

Thanks for being honest
Avatar 6:09pm Clay Pigeon:

north guinea. your presence calms.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Matt from Springfield:

@davex: Speaking of Meetups, how'd the Berlin Meetup go?
Avatar 6:09pm chocolate monk:

forget the shutdown, is there gonna be a shout out for DLR on his bday?
Avatar 6:09pm Clay Pigeon:

John! We named the men's room after you here!
Avatar 6:09pm sFrances from VA:

Even if the fed employees get backpay (as I've read rumors of possibly happening) , that doesn't help all of the non-fed workers who depend on the fed for an income as well....feh.
Avatar 6:10pm Clay Pigeon:

chocomonk - do you mean David Lee Roth?
Avatar 6:10pm sFrances from VA:

Oooh, I love this Arcadia track, is that who the mellow clip was by?
Avatar 6:11pm Clay Pigeon:

Yes Frances. Last track on the LP.
Avatar 6:11pm kat330:

Hi, Clay! Yo, Frances & Matt! [eating dinner here, but listening]
Avatar 6:12pm sFrances from VA:

i've heard nothing by them, now i must seek them out, thank you!! Spontaneous Human Happiness!
Avatar 6:12pm chocolate monk:

Avatar 6:12pm dale:

sFrances - coming home yesterday i saw a stack of hardwood pallets with a sign that said FREE - best fast, hot fires ever!
Avatar 6:12pm Clay Pigeon:

Kat is baaaack. Indiana wants me!
Avatar 6:12pm sFrances from VA:

hi Kat!!!xo!
Avatar 6:12pm Clay Pigeon:

Stick around choc-o!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm davex:

@Matt: Thanks for asking - the Berlin meet-up was just the three of us, but it was a good time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Matt from Springfield:

Hey Kat! Shout out to Philo, and to satisfying dinners!
Avatar 6:13pm Clay Pigeon:

Berlin ... as in Terri Nunn?
Avatar 6:13pm kat330:

@Clay: But most certainly you don't want Indiana -- not in these dark, Pence days.
Avatar 6:14pm sFrances from VA:

@dale: free pallets are always the best! so many uses...our heat is currently dead (pending repair next week) and i have no fireplace or wood stove. i am bundled & hot flashes keep me warm.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Matt from Springfield:

@kat: Indiana will not be disrespected! Indiana's got to get something out of this...and it doesn't even know what!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Matt from Springfield:

L. Cohen?
Avatar 6:15pm kat330:

@Matt: Tres satisfying. Chicken roasted w/ our garden herbs (rosemary, sage, thyme). :) You got my 'Mats man note?
Avatar 6:15pm chocolate monk:

laughing len!!!!
Avatar 6:15pm Clay Pigeon:

Ha Ha Matt! A 40 statue of John Cougar in Seymour!
Avatar 6:16pm Clay Pigeon:

10-4 on the Cohen
  6:16pm Nate:

Ich bin ein Berliner!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm davex:

@Clay: More Nina Hagen than Terri Nunn.
Avatar 6:17pm BigLankyGeordie:

Howdee from freezing cold, bleak night of England - brilliant show, love the reportage montage.
Avatar 6:17pm Clay Pigeon:

Neun und neunsich rot balloon!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Mutant:

I think pallets are treated with toxic chemicals
Avatar 6:17pm sFrances from VA:

mmmmm Nina Hagen.......swoon
Avatar 6:17pm Clay Pigeon:

Big Lanky - thrilled to have Mother England aboard. Cheers!
Avatar 6:17pm InBrkly:

Fucking Champs? You have appealed to my inner need to pledge.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Matt from Springfield:

@kat: I have now! Clever, that last line of yours :)
Avatar 6:17pm dale:

i put in the stove and lined chimbley when i had money, couldn't afford it now. won't heat the whole house but a lifesaver when the power goes out.
Avatar 6:18pm Clay Pigeon:

In Brkly ---- thanks! I LOVE this 2LP Champs set I found. LOVE! peace to SF and pledge everyone, please.
Avatar 6:19pm dale:

what would they treat oak pallets with? they came from a place that sells big tubs and spas, they only were used the one time. no need for chemicals
  6:19pm Nate:

Neunundneunzig Luftballons forever!
Avatar 6:19pm Clay Pigeon:

Creosote, Dale, by the gallon.
Avatar 6:20pm glenn:

i sort of know a guy who was sort of married to nina hagen.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Mutant:

Methyl Bromide
Avatar 6:21pm Clay Pigeon:

a brush with fame, glenn!
Avatar 6:21pm BigLankyGeordie:

Vorsprung durch WFMU!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Matt from Springfield:

Sort of married, glenn?
Avatar 6:21pm sFrances from VA:

glenn: was he sort of happy or sort of not?
  6:21pm Clay fan:

Bus load of nuns? Where they from?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm davex:

So now we sort of know a guy who knows a guy who was sort of married to Nina Hagen.
Avatar 6:21pm Clay Pigeon:

MB- Mutant - the Milton Bradley of chemical compounds.
Avatar 6:21pm sFrances from VA:

clay: i missed the track/band, who is this?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Mutant:

Pallet talk with Clay!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Matt from Springfield:

Clay's Heroes of the Heartland again, on Pigeon Public Radio! :D
Avatar 6:22pm Clay Pigeon:

SFrances - Busload of Nuns
Avatar 6:23pm sFrances from VA:

thank you! now i'm imagining Nuns in gingham habits.
Avatar 6:23pm kat330:

@Matt: Backing up, couldn't locate any "last line of" mine that was clever. You read the "Couldn't Wait" titled one?
Avatar 6:24pm dale:

love that these two old guys can do harmony
  6:24pm John:

Xray gingham?
Avatar 6:24pm glenn:

if i recall correctly, she married him so he could be in her band without weird visa issues, but i think they were also reasonably happy for a year or two.
  6:24pm Nate:

Musik fördert Fortschritt, in der Tat! Gingham RULES!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Matt from Springfield:

Acoustic folk rap???

@kat: The "'Mats man note" one!
Avatar 6:25pm cosmic matrix:

clay, this is SO fun. love this shit. great songs. old person rock opera! killer vibrato.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm steve:

i leave for 2 minutes and come back and... where are we?
Avatar 6:25pm cosmic matrix:

black metal vibe.
Avatar 6:25pm Clay Pigeon:

Thanks cosmo - pretty lo-fi ... ultra-low.
Avatar 6:25pm dale:

no creosote clay, not anymore. i have a gallon of it left in old farmhouse here. should sell it on ebay.
  6:26pm Clay fan:

Love hearing Clay on the guitar! Do you lay it over the dialog?
Avatar 6:26pm glenn:

pigeonaires, you'll love this. ikeaordeath.com
Avatar 6:26pm cosmic matrix:

man you can write some stuff.
  6:26pm Lucy:

Avatar 6:26pm cosmic matrix:

he's like ariel pink!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Matt from Springfield:

@steve: Go back 5 minutes before this on the Archive. It's just - wonderful! :D
Avatar 6:26pm sFrances from VA:

poor people in the valley...sigh....no eyes....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Mutant:

This one's really good
Avatar 6:27pm kat330:

OK, Matt, that's what Philo suggested, but didn't see much clever about it. :)

OTOH, Clay is being quite clever and creative here!
Avatar 6:27pm Clay Pigeon:

just layer it up on garageband, fan.
Avatar 6:27pm cosmic matrix:

now i'm turning on the disco light!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm steve:

uhaha ok
  6:27pm Nate:

Another treasure, Clay!
Avatar 6:27pm cosmic matrix:

but you're a wonderful musician, MAN.
Avatar 6:28pm Clay Pigeon:

thanks you guys. i have fun doing that stuff.
Avatar 6:29pm Clay Pigeon:

Ha-zeus! I need a new stylus baad. $$$
Avatar 6:30pm cosmic matrix:

fun is the key. thanks clay!
Avatar 6:30pm sFrances from VA:

this track also rocks....
Avatar 6:30pm kat330:

(What doesn't jibe is your taste in music created by others, Clay! ;)
Avatar 6:30pm Clay Pigeon:

ouch ... some crude edits ... time became a faktor
Avatar 6:30pm cosmic matrix:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Matt from Springfield:

@Clay: At least this "evil soundtrack music" has highlighted Beck's melodramatic-ness and actually made him funny! ;)
Avatar 6:32pm Clay Pigeon:

That's ELP (powell) doing MArs Bringer of War from '86. Love it!
Avatar 6:33pm sFrances from VA:

exactly, "who cares about US?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Matt from Springfield:

You digging the "other P" right now?
Avatar 6:33pm sFrances from VA:

ELO > ELP. just sayin' : )
Avatar 6:34pm sFrances from VA:

dance party!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm steve:

i love shame!
Avatar 6:34pm glenn:

everybody knows that, sfrances.
Avatar 6:34pm kat330:

The Tea Baggers insisting there should be a compromise on what is already LAW is what's infuriating. And some claiming, yeah, "it's law but it's unconstitutional" ignoring the Supreme Court ruling. It boggles the mind....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Matt from Springfield:

...and Evelyn "Champagne" King, you played her recently, but agree with that wholeheartedly! An unsung funk hero of the late 70s and early 80s!
  6:35pm RCinMT:

So glad to be able to tune in live. Great radio.
Avatar 6:35pm Clay Pigeon:

Agree Kat330
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Matt from Springfield:

@Frances: I don't think anyone on the board right now disagrees with that! :)
Avatar 6:35pm Clay Pigeon:

Doubled-Down with Evelyn, Matt!
Avatar 6:36pm cosmic matrix:

was that a hannah-barbara jet sound?
Avatar 6:36pm Clay Pigeon:

RC. Glad to have you aboard! Big Sky Country!
Avatar 6:36pm Clay Pigeon:

cosmic ... i think so!
Avatar 6:37pm cosmic matrix:

did you add it or was it in the disco track??
Avatar 6:37pm sFrances from VA:

@Kat: I happened to be in DC during the very first major Tea Party rally there in 2008, infiltrated w/my camera & it was the most hateful group of people i've ever been surrounded by. so sadly, this shut down & their illogic doesn't surprise me.booooooo.
Avatar 6:38pm cosmic matrix:

i like the poorly spaced bleeps
Avatar 6:38pm sFrances from VA:

glenn: respect! Jeff Lynne is amazing. and people don't realize how depressing so many ELO lyrics are because the music is so catchy....
Avatar 6:38pm Clay Pigeon:

i added it matrix
  6:38pm Clay fan:

Oops is asshole FCC ok?
Avatar 6:38pm kat330:

Capitalism isn't the problem; GREED is the problem.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm steve:

sFrances... was it all/mostly old people?
Avatar 6:38pm cosmic matrix:

(what was that?)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Matt from Springfield:

@Frances: You posted those pics here before - absolutely bizarre and idiotic signs!
Avatar 6:39pm kat330:

@Clay: I think it is. I've heard it on broadcast shows.
Avatar 6:39pm cosmic matrix:

@clay love ya
Avatar 6:39pm Clay Pigeon:

I'll roll the dice on it, fan!
  6:39pm John:

Must not be a FMU listener.
  6:39pm Clay fan:

That's why I love ya! Roll the dice!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm Matt from Springfield:

@Clay fan: I believe that you can say "asshole" on the radio, as long as "nothing's going in or coming out of it"! ;)
  6:40pm RCinMT:

Is the FCC even open? Let the expletives fly!
  6:40pm Clay fan:

Awesome @Matt!
Avatar 6:41pm sFrances from VA:

@steve: people in their late30s-upwards but yes, primarily in their 50s,60s,70s. i was screamed at by people younger than me though (I was 45 at the time).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Matt from Springfield:

Wuh oh, look what you released, chocolate monk!!
Avatar 6:41pm kat330:

@Frances: Did you catch the interview w/ some airheaded Tea Partyer -- I presume a Congresswoman -- on Daily Show from last night? She made Bachmann seem a Mensa member.
  6:41pm jeff in puna:

Aloha Clay!
  6:42pm Clay fan:

Ooh, that's right RTinMT! VH from Arcadia, CA!!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Matt from Springfield:

Well, Clay IS playing the breakout EVH "virtuoso" instrumental piece, "Eruption"! One of the best of the 70s!
Avatar 6:42pm sFrances from VA:

Katt: not yet, but I watch Daily Show on Hulu, must catch up w/this week!
Avatar 6:42pm cosmic matrix:

Avatar 6:42pm sFrances from VA:

(i was a member of the van halen fan club in 1979)
Avatar 6:42pm kat330:

My 6:39 comment was meant for "Clay fan" oops.
  6:43pm Clay fan:

Oooooooooh, oooooooooh pretty woman!
Avatar 6:43pm cosmic matrix:

Avatar 6:43pm sFrances from VA:

@Steve: a young, "hip" tea partier: www.flickr.com...
Avatar 6:43pm northguineahills:

FUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
Avatar 6:43pm sFrances from VA:

Avatar 6:43pm cosmic matrix:

except this song never needed to be covered...gotta say
Avatar 6:44pm kat330:

Ha, Fransces!! I finally see Clay has removed the extra "t" on Kat and now you add it back! ;)
Avatar 6:44pm dale:

it's roth's birthday, too
Avatar 6:44pm cosmic matrix:

at should be "MEH" not "MEE"!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Matt from Springfield:

Say Julie, do you prefer this Van Halen version, or the original one with the Kinks and Ray Davies? ;)
  6:44pm Clay fan:

Keep the rock block going until, NP! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!!!!!
Avatar 6:45pm cosmic matrix:

i meant to say: "IT should be MAY, not EE. really got MAY." any-WAY.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm chris:

\m/ I may have at one time been in trouble for defacing USPS mailboxes with the van halen logo... ah, good times... #teenagewhiteboy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm steve:

Frances, wow, i wonder if that girl just wanted an excuse to dress up. she doesn't look angry enough
Avatar 6:45pm kat330:

[OOps, and I add an extra "s" to your name! Ask Philo, I'm always referring to you as "St. Frances"! :)
Avatar 6:45pm sFrances from VA:

sorry Kat!! everyone spells my name with an I , the boy way
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Matt from Springfield:

@kat: Gotta reference the K.A.T.T. [from Night Rider??] some way!

"Deuce"!! One of my fave songs of K.I.S.S.!
Avatar 6:46pm sFrances from VA:

(ssssh, the s stands for the first letter of my first name)(but i love animals, so saint is fine!)
Avatar 6:46pm dale:

as scott muni used to say in a promo - turn it up and rip the knob off!
  6:47pm Clay fan:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm brian:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Matt from Springfield:

@steve: Statistically, I think she was prob a young "minimal gov't and legalize weed!" fan not similar to the aggrieved old white people there.
Avatar 6:47pm sFrances from VA:

@Steve: she reminds me of former skinhead girls who later get into Rockabilly. Rockabilly is often joked about as the Skinhead Retirement Plan. same conservative /worshipping a certain lifestyle of the past mentality
Avatar 6:48pm sFrances from VA:

(everything from the insane tea party rally circa 2008 www.flickr.com...)
  6:49pm Clay fan:

Ooh, Clay! How bout a world famous rock n roll introductions up the ramp!
Avatar 6:49pm kat330:

Fine photo collection, Saint Frances!

Also heard on Daily or Colbert there's a rally organized for tomorrow with the demand being Obama removed from office. Are these people playing with a full deck?
Avatar 6:49pm sFrances from VA:

swooon for Queen too....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm brian:

Rocktober is keeping myself ALIVE!!!
Avatar 6:49pm BigLankyGeordie:

The only English queen worth having! Let's ROCCCCCk!
  6:49pm Clay fan:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Matt from Springfield:

"Keep Yourself Alive", *I* recognize it! A Klay Klassik played many times! I love anything Kween!
  6:50pm John:

How's the smoking going?
Avatar 6:50pm sFrances from VA:

Kat: thanks! & no, i hate to be mean, but my encounters in person were just awful and the people i spoke with just seemed guided by fear and ignorance=hate=blinding to logic.
Avatar 6:51pm sFrances from VA:

yeah Clay, QUIT SMOKING. please. purdy pleez.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Matt from Springfield:

Fuckin' kickass!!! What a kickoff to Rocktober!
Avatar 6:51pm Whosondephone:

It's nice hear someone not voting republican of demicrat. Do not support Evil.
  6:52pm Clay fan:

I have soiled myself with delight over this Rocktober set! Andy IS NOT going to be able to follow this!
Avatar 6:52pm BigLankyGeordie:

Hey stop playing so much amazing music! ;-) It's nearly midnight here in UK, how am I going to be able to go to bed???
Avatar 6:53pm Night Al:

The Uriah Heep keyboard sounds like someones cell phone going off during a smoking guitar solo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm common:

thanks for the fuckin VH, ACDC and all!!!
Avatar 6:53pm sFrances from VA:

dang Clay, i might have to dive into some Uriah Heap after all....
Avatar 6:54pm sFrances from VA:

Clay, you don't want to have cigarettes in common w/this Tea Party Smoker. do you? www.flickr.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Matt from Springfield:

"Rock HAIR-itage", you mean, Clay? :)
Avatar 6:54pm northguineahills:

no words, thanks Clay!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm steve:

that photo album is great, thanks Frances
  6:56pm Clay fan:

I'll tell ya WHY! WHY!
Avatar 6:56pm kat330:

Thanks, Clay, and 'night all! Have a great one!
Avatar 6:57pm sFrances from VA:

thanks for the very kind words, steve! watch the video after you're done w/radio: i could've shot people posting in front of the Fox News van for hours, they just didn't stop....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Matt from Springfield:

@Frances: Ha, is she smoking, or just burnt-out?!
  6:57pm Clay fan:

Are you standing and rockin' to this, Clay?
Avatar 6:57pm Droll:

I just got out of the shower, turn on FMU, hear RATT, and I already feel like I need another shower.
  6:57pm Erstwhile listener.:

All cheese; no meat.
Avatar 6:57pm sFrances from VA:

Have a super awesome weekend full of future memories, y'all !!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Matt from Springfield:

Have a great one, kat and Philo!
Avatar 6:57pm glenn:

well clay, thanks for playing all the music that made people inventt punk rock.
Avatar 6:58pm sFrances from VA:

@Matt: she is BOTH ; )
Avatar 6:58pm BigLankyGeordie:

Outstanding show tonight Clay. Really enjoyed every second. Thanks man.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm davex:

Thanks Clay - good night everyone!
Avatar 6:58pm kat330:

Byeeee, 'Mat Matt! :)
  6:58pm Philo Gristle:

Holadios! Great show!
Avatar 6:58pm Night Al:

Fire!! Fire!!
  6:58pm Clay fan:

Awesome! You rule, Clay!
Avatar 6:58pm Whosondephone:

Avatar 6:58pm sFrances from VA:

aw glenn: i share the love of punk rock, but i also can't rain on Clay's musical parade, some gems! gems!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Matt from Springfield:

Thanks Clay, for an informative and delightful and RAWKIN show!
Have a great weekend Frances and davex and glenn and ALL you Pigeonnaires out there!

Promise to Remember...Future Memories!!
Avatar 6:59pm sFrances from VA:

night Kat & Philo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Matt from Springfield:

And Holadios, Philo! :)
Avatar 7:00pm glenn:

love grand funk. hate van halen.
Avatar 7:01pm sFrances from VA:

yeah, i only liked VH's first lp, and saw the Clash the same year so.....i like music. love music. in various mutations...
Avatar 7:02pm sFrances from VA:

(ok, i scamper out & offline, cheers y'all!)
Avatar 7:03pm glenn:

byeee. happy canadian thanksgiving, y'all.
Avatar 7:03pm BigLankyGeordie:

Jolly Hockey Sticks all!
  Swag For Life Member 12:31pm 12539:

Your show is always a pleasure, but these operettas are pure joy.
  6:30pm Steve:

I love Todd. But I never heard the old stuff at all. I like the new stuff. Liars, from about 5 yrs ago I great.
Like 2nd version of Utopia, never heard the first one.
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