WFMU: Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from April 27, 2022

Listener comments!
	6:58pm LambdaCalculus: Heya Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:00pm listener james from westwood: How do, Gary, Lambda, and all!
	♥ 7:01pm Gary: Evening, James and LambdaC!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:01pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Heyo!
	♥ 7:05pm Gary: Threemoons!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:06pm chresti: Hi Gary bodega show!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:06pm doctorjazz: Hi Gary and shoppers out there! (was working Saturday, got to a Staten Island record after work, but it had been picked clean...)
	♥ 7:07pm Gary: Chresti and Doctor Jazz!
	7:08pm tim abdellah: Howdy record lovers!
	♥ 7:09pm Gary: Tim!
	♥ 7:09pm Rich in Washington: hola, Gary!
	♥ 7:10pm Gary: Those of you who play records, please tell us about your set up! Rich! You can start, haha!
	♥ 7:19pm Rich in Washington: Asking an audio nerd to describe their setup is like asking Ted Kaczynski to actualize his discontentment with society.
	♥ 7:19pm Gary: Hahahahahaha
	♥ 7:21pm Gary: So, one of my correspondents back in my poet days was the poet Gerald Burns, who had known Kaczynski. Gerald sent me manuscript after manuscript to read back then, including a book he wrote about Kacynski after they caught him -- it's never been published and it's kind of amazing
	♥ 7:24pm Rich in Washington: I have to confess that I was totally ignorant of this wonderful Ethiopian Jazz (etc.) until seeing Jarmusch's Broken Flowers and its wonderful soundtrack.
	♥ 7:29pm Gary: I remember seeing the Ethiopiques series at Tower Records here in New York when the CDs were first coming out but I was still deeply embedded in this phase/attitude of never paying more than $5 for a CD and really trying to avoid buying them at record stores. I missed out hearing Ethiopian music until probably around the time you saw that film, or frankly, maybe even later--I think my first exposure was this blog: ethio-pain-music.blogspot.com \
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:31pm doctorjazz: I was going to post my system, but now I'm embarrassed after Rich's comment...
	♥ 7:31pm Gary: Haha, you guys
	♥ 7:32pm StringOFperils: Hello!
	7:32pm LambdaCalculus: Ahh, a classic!
	♥ 7:32pm Gary: I'm mostly interested in your cartridges/styli and your amps/preamps ... StringOFPerils!
	♥ 7:32pm Rich in Washington: Oh no, doctorjazz. Ignore my comment. I never blow the opportunity for an obscure cultural reference, even if it doesn't hold water.
	♥ 7:35pm coelacanth∅: greetings Gary and all
	♥ 7:36pm Rich in Washington: My whole system's built around cheapness, durability, and utility. There's nothing audiophile about it. Everything's merely serviceable. I just use super ordinary Shure cartridges (sadly out of production, so...) and everything goes into a DJ type mixer which then goes into a broadcaster type mixer.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:36pm listener james from westwood: this set = bloody awesome
	♥ 7:36pm Gary: Coelacanth∅!
	♥ 7:37pm _Ike_: HIPPIES!!!
	♥ 7:37pm Gary: Ike!
	♥ 7:39pm hippie∅: and proud . . . what's a hippie?
	♥ 7:39pm Rich in Washington: Hi coelacanth∅!
	♥ 7:40pm coelacanth∅: olá Rich!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:42pm doctorjazz: It's an aging audiophile here-Linn LP12 turntable with Akurate power supply, Delos Lyra cartridge, Pro-Ject Tube S Phono preamp, Peachtree Preamp, Krell KSA 150 Amp, Thiel 3.6 speakers, VPI 16.5 record cleaner.
	♥ 7:43pm Gary: Damn, Dr. Jazz. I need to go down a Delos Lyra rabbit hole now!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:43pm doctorjazz: (Linn Ittok tonearm, left it out-also on a vibration absorbing table)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:45pm doctorjazz: (assorted record cleaning brushes, goop to dip the stylus in for cleaning, you get the idea)
	♥ 7:46pm Gary: I have a Technics 1500, which came with an Ortofon 2M Red that I hated, so I swapped that out for an Ortfon MK Club, slightly better, and just got an AT 540ML, which I like more. Most of what we're hearing tonight was ripped with the Club, except for some of the last hour. I NEED A VIBRATION ABSORBING TABLE BECAUSE THE KIDS NEXT DOOR ARE FUCKING INSANE AND JUMP AND THROW THEMSELVES AT THE WALL AND ON THE FLOOR and because I live in an old building it feels like the apartment is falling apart when they do that
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:47pm doctorjazz: Have to have some bubble tea-will jump out, back when I've got it.
	♥ 7:48pm Gary: Get me one, Dr. Jazz!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:50pm WR: Hello Gary and Bodegans.
	♥ 7:51pm Gary: WR!
	♥ 7:54pm coelacanth∅: i too have a vibration-absorbing turntable. it's the 1970s Techniques Upon Over 3" Of Various Types Of Bubble Wrap And Foam model.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:55pm chresti: What absorbs vibrations? Sponges?
	♥ 7:55pm Gary: I dunno, Chresti. And I need to know.
	♥ 7:57pm Gary: Rubber, my preliminary googling tells me
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:57pm chresti: Shock absorbers I guess
	♥ 7:57pm coelacanth∅: my floor is so shaky that my dresser handles make a racket when i move on the other side of the room; but my stylus stays in the groove. -and i ♥ my grado prestige black cartridge. solid clear bass, crisp highs...
	♥ 8:00pm coelacanth∅: for about 1/2 of what i almost spent to replace the stylus in an audio-technica cartridge with a lower grade, non-eliptical aftermarket stylus (the only replacement available)
	8:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo !
	♥ 8:04pm Gary: RevRab!
	♥ 8:04pm Gary: Grado! I gotta look that one up but at least I've heard of that brand
	8:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...suspended gyroscopes...
	8:06pm Jill B,: Hi Gary and all the Bodega faithful!
	8:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& an analog laser reading grooves instead of a stylus...
	♥ 8:07pm Gary: Hi Mom! Hope you guys are doing well
	♥ 8:09pm coelacanth∅: Gary i think the company was started as a discount aftermarket replacement supplier but always made a good product; and now that most cartridge/styli companies don't sell any more their quality is considerably better than most other options...as if they're still competing with original equipment.
	8:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in of course an otherwise acoustically silent chamber...
	♥ 8:12pm Gary: The ELP laser turntable is a mere $16,000
	8:14pm Jill B,: All better here!
	8:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hear about this ? : www.msn.com...
	♥ 8:15pm Gary: Good to hear!
	♥ 8:15pm coelacanth∅: i listen via sony receiver (but actually a good sony!) through c.1979 genesis loudspeakers (hardwood cabinets ~27" tall... and heavy) yamaha cd changer, techniques 3200 tt, various cassette decks -right now a nikko all-mechanical model from ~1980s
	8:17pm Don S: awesome you are playing POP SICLE
	8:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Plastic 2nd hand Mac laptop thru a 2nd hand NAD amp - @ the moment into quite odd ceramic Brinkman brand speakers from Britain (also 2nd hand - I worked long in a thrift store)...
	♥ 8:20pm Gary: Don S! and hey I'm jealous of your cassette deck, Ceola-C
	♥ 8:20pm coelacanth∅: seems to me a laser turntable is the quintessential pointless waste of money rip-off gadget for insecure spoiled brats desperately trying to never be 2nd best.
	8:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Mine are white : www.hifisentralen.no...
	♥ 8:21pm Gary: RevRab, what IS that?!? Is that a speaker?
	8:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Is said that most of us use our Stereos to listen to Music ...& rich Audiophiles use Music to listen to their Stereos...
	♥ 8:22pm coelacanth∅: haha RR i like that!
	8:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah. The woofer faces up on the double brass cone, & the tweeter faces down from above. So it's 360°s - not coming from a single point, which is probly more like reality ! & the structure is ceramic ...which is ...interesting tone.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:24pm doctorjazz: I'm back, bubble tea in hand, very happy! Caught up with the comments. 1) Grado has been making cartridges (and well regarded headphones) for a long time (I believe it was started by John Grado, in the 50's, family still run the company in Brooklyn). Very well regarded, not inexpensive cartridges (but there is much that's much crazier expensive).
	♥ 8:26pm Gary: I've seen their headphones at 46 Audio or whatever that place is in midtown that sells headphones, they look very nice but I haven't heard them yet
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:26pm doctorjazz: RRN63;s comment has much truth to it (and has been tossed around for a while), the audiophile with the multi-kilobuck system, and 2 audiophile approved records to play on them so he can listen to the "stereo imaging"
	♥ 8:26pm coelacanth∅: the thing is - is the sound reproduction on a decent turntable so abominable that you can't stand it? i think not ...and is that evil needle going to wear down that one record you play to the point of ruining it? well, for only $16,000 you can eliminate that wear on your record so you won't have to replace it.
	8:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The laser analog turntable for one thing won't physically wear on the record like a stylus. Which I think I pretty major. & there won't be the kind of distortion of say the Bass overwhelming everything else in vibrations... Has been said that while one might think this much clearer - the laser also perfectly represents all the dust & scratches, what have you, as well !...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:27pm Zipperhead7: Hi Gary and Bodegans! Just tuned in. These dewds are kickin' it!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:28pm doctorjazz: Anyway, back to isolation. My room has suspended wood floors-when we moved in and I set up the stereo, the floors bounced so much that any time I walked in the room, the turntable arm flew into the air, had to tiptoe (and even then it could skip).
	♥ 8:28pm Gary: Haha -- I have to admit, tho, I've gone from Gosh This 2004 Sublime Frequencies Release Sounds GREAT! to Gee I Wonder If I Need To Upgrade My Entire System So I Can Wring The Last Bit Of Hidden Sonic Mystery From This Record -- and Sublime Frequencies are still my HEROES by the way
	♥ 8:29pm Gary: Holy shit, Dr. Jazz, that must have driven you up the wall
	8:29pm saanaito: Evening, everyone!
	♥ 8:29pm Gary: Saanaito!
	8:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm surprised no one has looked into Gyroscopes to stabilize turntables...
	♥ 8:30pm coelacanth∅: dr.j that how my bedroom is, but the bubblewrap/foam bed under the turntable works beautifully. and it was free.
	8:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Nice ! :D
	8:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Of course one tries to keep speakers away from walls & floors to get along with neighbors (housemates &tc.) ...but does anybody else put styrofoam under speakers for this ? Or - just me. & - ya think it does anything...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:33pm Zipperhead7: I wonder if younger folks are less inclined towards audiiophilia, given computer audio and the massive compression on recordings today?
	♥ 8:33pm Gary: Zipperhead! It's ironic b/c their ears hear better than mine
	8:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: But some youngsters are into their 'artisanal' Vinyls... HipHop has had some part in that I reckon ?
	8:34pm Dean: It isn't sonic mystery. It's information that is there awaiting retrieval, that is, if the engineering and mastering have done their job. Grado gear is terrific. I don't enjoy headphones, but I have used their cartridges. I'll add that while price isn't everything--some of the priciest gear around has failed to wow me--it often is something. My last acquisition, a partial upgrade of my ancient turntable, including a new cartridge, produced jaw-dropping music. Doctorjazz's implication that the most important piece of audiophile equipment is the space is to my ear 100% correct. Thus, before folks complain about crazy expensive cables and such, consider that only a room designed for acoustic fidelity will provide the optimal listening experience. Few can afford that.
	8:34pm saanaito: i'd say it's unlikely that they are, especially given the popularity of streaming services
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:34pm doctorjazz: I used to review (mostly jazz, surprise, occasionally gear) for a now defunct audiophile magazine (The Audiophile Voice). They got me a turntable stand from a new, wood be manufacturer (Machina Dynamica), which was basically one guy putting these things together in his garage. It had a butcher block type top the turntable sits on, and there were various springs, connections underneath, and what I think is a car shock absorber, that you pumped air into with a bicycle pump, and balanced the butcher block top on it (literally-the platform had to be exactly centered, leveled, and basically floated on the shock absorber). Sounds insane, and I suppose it is, but the thing is, it worked AMAZINGLY! I Could walk, run, dance, and the sound was so much better as well.
	8:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As Beck observed in 'Soundbreaking' re Recording - it's kind of everything is going on @ once now...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:35pm doctorjazz: Hey, Dean, thought this might bring you out!
	♥ 8:35pm Gary: Dean!
	♥ 8:35pm coelacanth∅: RR i have records i've played 5-150 times that sound great. i was given a "discwasher" when i was a teenager and never played a record without washing it first. takes 5 seconds. since then bought a $100 wet record cleaner and a zerostat. there's very little dust on my records. and anyway, perfectly clear sound is not perfect. this is why records sound better than cds. there's no good argument for flawless reproduction. it only makes the "imperfections" of the performances more obvious.
	8:35pm Dean: Yeah, I'm nuts about this stuff.
	♥ 8:37pm Gary: I have to say, I wound up getting a zerostat, which I use religiously, and a spin clean, which I use frequently but not frequently enough (I need to wash new records), and one of those oozy things for the stylus
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:38pm doctorjazz: Anyway, eventually the shock absorber part came loose, wouldn't hold air, so the table top didn't stay elevated and isolated anymore. But I found putting these square isolation pads under the turntable legs (still on the isolation table, but without the shock absorber), and they seem to help a lot. www.amazon.com...
	♥ 8:38pm Gary: But honestly, when I made the transition from CDs to vinyl (checks watch) 10 months ago, I almost went back to CDs because the imperfections were painful to hear at first
	♥ 8:39pm Gary: Reading Damon Krukowski's The New Analog actually kept me from abandoning vinyl
	8:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - could of course discourse on Digital v. Analog @ great length, & we have. Broadly, think everyone was seduced by the increased dynamic range of Digital - whereas the old Analog Engineers (@ their best, this is) understood the limitations they had - & were Artful with them... Also of course - Analog means one thing Analogous to another, like sound wave & record groove - & Digital is Numbers & depends on Sampling Rate to reproduce that. Or - not...
	8:40pm peter: hello from my lunch-break, to Gary & all!
	♥ 8:41pm Gary: Speaking of record stores, Peter! Nice to see you!
	8:41pm Dean: That's because you're focusing on the contextual distractions. The first LP I played on my quasi-upgraded turntable (I'm saving up for phase 2) was a beat-up copy of America's Greatest Hits. Think about that. It sounded glorious. I heard more music from that or any other album than I'd ever heard, not counting the big-boy systems at audio shops I'd visited.
	♥ 8:41pm coelacanth∅: oh man, Gary i cannot relate! around october i started listeni g to all my records -to grade them for selling -and i'm madly in love with music again! awed every day by the beautiful sounds filling my living area.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:42pm doctorjazz: Sorbothane is a rubbery type of material used in much isolation gear. Rubber, I've seen boxes filled with sand, boxes with an inflatable tire tube in them, in theory, they all should work. I've heard of rubber balls being used www.amazon.com...
	♥ 8:42pm Gary: Well, I'm no longer in that listening mode, it somehow over time flipped
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:42pm Zipperhead7: I always thought that when the rush to adopt 44.1K/16-bit digital was akin to saying "Look how convenient videotape is! Let's throw out film!" Plus the record companies could recycle their catalogues. That said, I no longer have vinyl because I got tired of dragging thousands of records all over the country
	8:43pm Dean: My turntable is isolated, more or less, on a stand anchored to studs in the wall.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:43pm doctorjazz: Here's a little guide to some box isolation stands that seems pretty good (If you couldn't tell, I'm nuts with this stuff as well). coloredvinylrecords.com...
	♥ 8:43pm Gary: Oh, nice -- thank you, Dr. Jazz
	8:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes - we can blame the Businessmen once again. Love being informed of these pads & stuff !! Thx !
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:44pm doctorjazz: As Dean said, another option, if you can find the beams in the wall that are secure, there are turntable stands that mount on them, very good for footfall and other vibration taming.
	8:44pm peter: yes, commenting LIVE from the RECORD STORE!!
	♥ 8:45pm Gary: Haha
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:46pm doctorjazz: As a general rule (as a vinylophile, audiophile, and in other aspects of life), things that are new and "better", sometimes are really better, other times they're just more convenient, not necessarily delivering better quality.
	8:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Honestly love the Programmability of Digital. Which is not about Sound per se @ all... & the portability when it comes to that... But that of course is why - as has been mentioned - Music all got Compressed : made Smaller & Smaller - when earlier in the 20th Century we were concerned with making Music Bigger & Bigger (& Fuller)...
	♥ 8:48pm coelacanth∅: i'd planned to attach a shelf to the wall, bought the hardware, cut the wood; but space was (is) an issue and it would've been partially in the line of sound from one speaker. so i tried doubling the bubblewrap -and it works. i don't do the pogo toward the centre of the room, but for the most part i can move normally without consideration of the record playing.
	8:49pm peter: also if i'm not too late i can let you all in on my medium-fi set-up: a Vector Research VT-155 turntable with Audio Technica ATN85EP cartridge and those Audio Technica disc stabilizer feet, through a Vector Research VRX-4200 receiver to Optimus PRO-77 bookshelf speakers.. all cheapies (my investment is all on the cassette side)
	♥ 8:49pm Gary: A big part of my struggle ("my struggle"--oh, please Sullivan) is that I'm almost always headphone listening
	♥ 8:50pm Gary: Disc stabilizer feet ...
	8:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I have found that any Component you can upgrade will be noticeable. Speakers, certainly !
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:50pm doctorjazz: RRN63, I'm not a digiphobe or a technophobe-have lots of digital music. It's great to be able to stream it, listen on phone, in bedroom, in car. My preference for buying music (in physical format) is Bandcamp; most albums there are offered as LP, CD, or download, but when you buy the LP, the download and stream of the album is included! Best of all worlds (the vinyl still sounds the best, but I can use the digital versions where vinyl fears to tread).
	8:51pm Dean: I heard this turntable c.1990 shortly after the company was founded. The venue was a cool audio shop in Bel Air, where I'd purchased a CD player, the EAD. I honestly don't recall how it sounded. The cost at the time was about half of what Fremer states here: https://www.stereophile.com/turntables/258/index.html For me, headphones are uncomfortable and miss the point.
	8:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: bandcamp ! (...sigh.)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:52pm doctorjazz: And, as Dean said, the room is very important in sound quality (have to share my listening room with the family, as it's also the living room, so there are compromises (furniture, can't use acoustic treatments, though the LP racks to serve that purpose).
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:53pm Zipperhead7: Yes, interesting how music formats have declined in size and grown in programmability. I think Prince's "Parade" CD was released unbanded because he didn't want the listener to program it
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:53pm doctorjazz: Dean and I have a long standing disagreement on headphones, which I really like as well, but I've actually come back in recent years to speakers, still enjoy them more (but have audiophile headphone gear which is also great sounding, and has the advantage of NOT being room sensitive).
	♥ 8:53pm coelacanth∅: totally agree about headphones... though i do use them to "examine" recordings. not for just enjoying them.
	8:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I wear one the ear Bose wireless bluetooth headphones when out & about. EarPods never made sense to me. Or - when I'm watching a Movie @ home maybe. Otherwise @ home it's speakers. But I can see loving that fidelity anywhere.
	♥ 8:54pm Gary: I don't have a space I can really listen to speakers in is my primary reason for headphones. Also, I don't really listen during the day while I work, b/c I can't write and listen at the same time
	8:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *over the ear
	8:55pm Dean: Speakers: I disagree, RevRab. Speakers are like friends. Eventually you learn to love them and their idiosyncrasies. Other gear, not so. Bad amplification will perpetually frustrate the experience. Swapping out your speakers will produce a more obvious difference, but swapping out an amplifier, preamplifier, DAC, transport, or power supply(!) will render a difference that over time will have a much more palpable, enduring impact. Such has been my experience.
	♥ 8:55pm coelacanth∅: Zipperhead that's funny though because the parade lp was banded!
	♥ 8:55pm Gary: You all will scoff, but my only speaker is a single Harmon Kardon speaker, which I plug into my mixer when I want to hear things with a bit more attention paid to the bass. It isn't stereo, tho. I haven't heard stereo speakers for -- god, I can't even remember how long
	8:56pm Dean: Ironically, one of my favorite engineers--Marc Aubort, who worked with Joanna Nickrenz--uses headphones.
	8:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh yes - any component you can improve will matter I think. But better speakers is the easiest upgrade with a cheaper system ?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:57pm Zipperhead7: One of the joys of moving out of a Bronx apartment to a house upstate is to BLAST music again on speakers
	8:58pm Dean: RevRab, it really depends. One of the best systems I've ever heard was a complement of moderately priced good gear, including the speakers. To improve the system I would not have replaced the speakers. I might have looked to the amplification, but that's because the person who had the system had a decent turntable, too. A better amp/preamp/integrated amp would have improved the sound without challenging the capacity of the speakers.
	8:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: From my thrift store years - I have two NAD brand amps - with no Volume controls ! I'm sure I just need a Mixer or such for that - but they scare me anyway...
	♥ 8:58pm coelacanth∅: it all makes a difference. even a yamaha cd player will sound considerably better than a sony.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:59pm Zipperhead7: It's like guitar amps. You want it to sound good, you gotta push air out of those speakers
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:00pm doctorjazz: That was a big plus in moving to Central Joisey burbs as well, had a stereo set up in my cramped Park Slope apartment, but it was great from optimal.
	9:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Dean: Well - it's really that I'm in a different Class, & in my past I've been stuck with rilly cheap systems - & just some better used speakers I find somewhere... anyway.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:00pm chresti: Air comes out of speakers?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:00pm doctorjazz: NAD is good stuff, actually...
	9:01pm Dean: NAD: great, reliable gear. I had an integrated amp many years ago. I recently almost acquired a pair of speakers that weigh nearly 700 lbs. each. I'd owned their junior sibling for many years before moving. I declined for various reasons, one of which is that I still really enjoy my inferior 20-year-old speakers, despite their clear limitations.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:01pm Zipperhead7: Well, the speaker pushes air, let's say
	9:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah my long thrift store gig served me pretty well for some stuff.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:01pm doctorjazz: chresti, the cones move back and forth compress and release air, making for sound waves
	♥ 9:02pm Gary: RevRab, I've been toying with doing a THRIFT SCORE show soon
	9:02pm Dean: Unless it's an electrostatic panel. I had Martin Logan Sequel IIs for awhile. They were quite good, and they also really impressed visitors, because you can see through them!
	9:03pm Dean: Still, they put air in motion.
	9:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: This is all just air vibrating. Hearing probly evolved as a specialized function of the sense of Touch...
	9:05pm Dean: Now's the time to refer folks to the recent WFMU tweet about the loudest sound in the world. A good lesson in acoustics.
	♥ 9:05pm coelacanth∅: one of the components of my speaker cabinets is passive radiators... large speaker cones with no magnets attached. it's pretty cool how much they add to the bottom, merely by using the otherwise wasted energy within the cabinets.
	♥ 9:06pm Gary: Oh, post a link, if you have it, Dean
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:06pm doctorjazz: I went through a headphone phase, where I preferred listening to them. It probably had to do with having kids around, listening/watching Sponge Bob in the next room, then they'd be asleep, hard to use the stereo. Now that they've moved out, I've rediscovered the speaker stereo, and generally listen that way (still put on the headphones if someone is asleep, or sometimes Destination Out and the like bring out complaints from house mates
	♥ 9:07pm Gary: My cat doesn't always like Jeff's show
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:07pm Zipperhead7: Extremely low frequencies were once considered as weapons systems. As to headphones, they are very useful if your partner doesn't "grok" a lot of WFMU
	9:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I am quite alone - def a factor. In an apartment building - but it's not bad. Kids below me do Video Game bass & explosions - & they curse valuably. & I listen to FMU & even turn my Marshall practice amp on & deafen myself for a good time. & we all let each other sleep...
	9:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh sonic cannons are standard Police fare now. Hawkwind was prescient...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:09pm doctorjazz: My older daughter has a series she's posted on social media (? Instagram), where she'll come in when I'm listening to some "out" music (often Jeff's show), and she'll record the music with the camera focused on her quizzical expression, and captioned, "Why does my dad listen to this?"
	9:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...there is supposedly the 'brown note' - which will loosen everyone's bowels ...perhaps apocryphal. Not too eager to find out...
	9:10pm Dean: https://twitter.com/WFMU/status/1516785536341585929?cxt=HHwWksC54Zaa2owqAAAA
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:11pm doctorjazz: OK, meditation time, gotta run, thanks Gary, laters all!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:12pm Zipperhead7: Speaking of "why" . . . the damnedest thing I ever saw in a thrift store was a needlepoint rendering of Dwight Eisenhower's head. I just stared at it, asking myself "Why?! WHY?!"
	9:12pm Dean: I used to play at mildly loud volue early vocal music: Handel, earlier, that sort of stuff. My neighbor one day left on my doorstep a few dozen albums of opera and vocal recitals from many eras. I have them to this day, and because of her charity I now listen often to song. All because I played Handel a wee bit too loudly.
	9:13pm Dean: ^volume
	♥ 9:13pm coelacanth∅: haha doctor that's hilarious!
	9:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Dean Thx for that video. Have read that the SaturnV moon rocket was so loud it melted the concrete beneath it. Like - not the engine heat ...but the sound ???
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:14pm doctorjazz: Like this Dam Dam, holding up my exit, you bum!
	♥ 9:14pm coelacanth∅: (dr.j @909...not 911!)
	♥ 9:15pm Gary: haha, happy trails, Dr. J!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:15pm doctorjazz: I got it, Coela! (btw, check your email).
	♥ 9:15pm Gary: Dean, what a sweet story!
	9:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 194 decibels (that video) - when 100 is the round number danger threshold of Deafness ...& a somewhat exponential scale, I think... TheWho may have been 1st to be 136 dbs ...all quite hearing impaired. Or dead.
	9:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I wonder what dbs I actually hit with my Marshall amp in my face...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:17pm doctorjazz: That's a nice story, Dean (@9:12). Sometimes I get an offer of someone's old vinyl (with a withering look from the wife if she's there).
	♥ 9:17pm coelacanth∅: haha Zipperhead -yes, why?!
	♥ 9:18pm zzz: love Aris! eventually left israel and opened a club in nyc. apparently friendly w louis armstrong
	♥ 9:19pm Gary: Zzz! Whaa? I didn't know about the US part of that story
	9:20pm Dean: I love loud live shows. I recall being peeved about Jesus & Mary Chain in LA. They didn't play as loudly as I'd hoped. But then I've been to shows where the volume was painful: Yes in a stadium, Angel in Santa Monica. The Mama Bear occasion was Brotzmann with Full Blast at a tiny storefront in Berkeley, Meshuggah at a seedy SF club, and every Zeke show ever. Just right!
	9:20pm Dean: And yet I don't like loud stereo playback. This must be due to the distortion.
	♥ 9:21pm zzz: he has a wild story @Gary. went to prison at some point subsequently. ended up in Hungary. died under mysterious circumstances i think?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:21pm Zipperhead7: My Bloody Valentine were so loud they made you gelatinous. Motorhead weren't far behind
	9:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I would take earplugs to an indoor show anymore ...but I stand in my own livingroom with a Marshall amp @ ear level & get feedback &tc. Not for too very long but often enuff. Yes MBV are notorious...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:22pm doctorjazz: My best haul was a friend's collection, when he moved from Long Island to Manhattan. I happened to be visiting my sister, who lived nearby. He used to work for ASCAP, and must have had 10,000 cd's, some vinyl, that he'd copied to hard disk. I didn't have a ton of time, ran through his house (like the old Supermarket Sweep TV show if anyone remembers that), with some boxes, throwing anything of interest into it' came home with hundreds of great discs! (and more of those withering looks, but worth them).
	♥ 9:22pm Gary: WHO IS GOING TO WRITE THE ARIS SON BIOGRAPHY FOR US
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:23pm Zipperhead7: Guitar feedback is such fun. It's like surfing. I never get tired of it
	9:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well said Zipperhead7 !
	♥ 9:24pm zzz: that’s funny @docjazz. supermarket sweep
	9:24pm Dean: My recorder instructor has promised to bequeath me her parents' old LPs.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:24pm doctorjazz: I've tried ear plugs at live shows (even ones marketed as being for live shows-they just suck the life out of the music!
	9:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - but - I also like standing way upfront near amps & speakers... But had the opportunity less & less...
	9:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Loved that lament.
	9:26pm Dean: Agreed, doctorjazz. While I maintain that the aural sense far exceeds the visual in terms of pleasure, I will sacrifice my ears to hella loud bands. Besides, it's also a tactile experience. One can feel the volume.
	♥ 9:27pm coelacanth∅: i guess that's what i was supposed to do when my grandmother died, and when my brother died... but i didn't know that was the custom, and rejected the prospect as i witnessed the rest of family doing it. so i waited 'till they were all done then wandered through. nobody else took any records - or books. so i did. all of them.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:27pm doctorjazz: (After my sweep of his music collection, I arranged for the rest to be donated to WFMU-Matt Warwick drove out and picked them up). Then, in what makes me leary of keeping music only digitally, his redundant, guaranteed set up that he'd copied all his music onto FAILED, backups FAILED, and he lost lots of music (but I had much of what he lost, and have been sending it to him ever since).
	♥ 9:27pm Gary: RevRab, I played that Lament on the listening station turntable at Academy and fell in love -- I wound up putting everything else I took to the listening turntable back except that
	9:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There is an irony - in that for instance, frequencies seems clearer & more balanced when you step outside a venue sometimes...
	9:29pm Dean: Yep, RevRab. Again, it's all about that space.
	♥ 9:29pm Gary: Holy shit, Dr. Jazz -- that's a harrowing story for your friend
	♥ 9:29pm ike̶̬̕: @RRN63@9:08, LOL @ "they curse valuably". Is that like "go fuck yourself with a million-dollar NFT!" or "your mom sucks gold bars in a bank vault!"
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:30pm doctorjazz: My loud music/concert attendance DID result in hearing loss-I've done sweeps, seems my hearing TANKS around the 8-10 khz rang3e, then goes right back up. Been like that since my mid to late teens (the first time I checked)
	9:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I meant volubly - but let it go...
	♥ 9:31pm coelacanth∅: i'd been planning to take a drive to nj for a couple of years, to my father's house to get all his records and some of his books; but i just found out ~10 days ago the bank has finally taken it. dumpsters outside, probably with lots of records and books in them. oh well. i snooze, i lose.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:31pm doctorjazz: coela, that's sad indeed.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:31pm doctorjazz: (I thought I said goodbye...)
	♥ 9:32pm coelacanth∅: this is a meditation, doctor
	♥ 9:33pm ike̶̬̕: Sorry, bad copy-editor habit. I hope that was at least amusing.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:33pm Zipperhead7: Dr Jazz -- yes, so frustrating. I burn everything onto CDs, but Apple in their infinite wisdom got rid of internal burners so you would put everything on their friggin' cloud. I have to use an external burner, and with the stupid dongle I make coaster after coaster because of "unstable connection." Jeez, coelacanth∅, that is heartbreaking!
	9:33pm Jill B,: Wow, quite the assortment of music/countries. Very nice Gary.
	♥ 9:33pm coelacanth∅: ...yeah he had a bunch of "provocative percussion" series type stuff i really wanted, amongst other things.
	9:34pm Dean: When I cleared out my parents' house after my mom died, I grabbed a small stash of LPs and singles, but mostly realized I wasn't in any shape to claim it all. The fact of the matter hurts, but being a librarian I also realize that this sort of loss occurs all the time. We try, folks.
	9:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I recently had to get everything I've had in storage out - & into my trap here. A lifetime of Stuff. Great to be reunited. But there's that one or two things that are just missing ...& it becomes all about them ...as I'm stumbling over too much stuff. Meanwhile ...in this era - endless streams to read, listen to & watch I can never ever ever keep with.
	♥ 9:34pm Gary: Mom, I'm glad you've liked it so far!
	9:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& yeah - ripping everything to Hardrives ...only to learn - oh, they kind of rot. & aren't too reliable. ( ! ! ! )
	9:36pm Dean: Perfect sound forever. Pissed me off from day 1.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:36pm doctorjazz: You're right, coela, but I have a regular formal meditation we do with a friend over the phone (Headspace), about time for it. When my mom passed, and the house was sold, I recovered her small collection-Tony Orlando and Dawn's Knock Three Times, and The Barry Sisters. Not much of a haul...
	♥ 9:36pm coelacanth∅: RR i had to do that with my records last year. that's why i'm selling them. i have a spare bedroom and i cannot afford this apartment without renting it out, but it's full of records now!
	♥ 9:37pm Gary: Haha, Dean, the book by that title is a terrific read, btw
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:38pm Zipperhead7: Erkin Koray sounds like he's saying something very important. I wish I knew what it was..
	♥ 9:38pm coelacanth∅: right on. - i do think i got the majority of his 45s anyway, because it took them while he was still alive!
	9:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...which brings me back to topic of : The only thing I wanna do with Analog - is rip it to Digital - so - it's backed up, I can get rid of a lot of it, it doesn't wear out when I use it, & I can Program it & Listen to it in the ways I am now accustomed to do so on the devices for that... & I'm not even set up to convert Analog to Digital in any format & don't even know how.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:40pm Zipperhead7: I have a stand-alone CD recorder that does pretty well. It's like making a cassette tape!
	♥ 9:40pm Gary: I rip everything not to listen to it but to broadcast it -- having lost external hard drives I'm pretty nervous about ever ripping all and getting rid of the physical artefacts
	9:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I mean, I'm keeping the Beatles LPs I grew up with & whose covers are disintegrating & I beat to crap the stupid punk child I was...
	9:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...they talk now like - oh - have two external backups ...eyeroll...
	♥ 9:41pm coelacanth∅: i'm creating digital ("lossless") files of many of the records i'm selling, so at least -though digital, it'll sound better than any streaming or (ugh) video service can provide.
	9:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh yeah - forget mp3s.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:42pm Zipperhead7: Re: record collecting -- www.thewhitealbumproject.com...
	♥ 9:43pm Gary: Wow, not a lot of time left before SAM SEGAL ARRIVES WITH IF YOU LOSE YOUR HORSE! Tonight's episode: "An Awkward Horse, Years Past His Prime, Engaged in a Task Far Beyond His Capacities" wfmu.org...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:43pm chresti: Nose plug, it sounded like.
	9:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...but I'm listening to mp4s of 2009 Remastered Beatles ...just in time for 5.1s & Atmos whatever that is precisely & other Formats to get traction...
	9:44pm Dean: The process of backing up analog to digital--and digital to digital--is fraught with practical and theoretical issues. On an individual level such as RevRab's or Gary's it's not such a big deal, but for nearly permanent protection it's a huge problem. I will recommend Cliff Lynch's marvelous First Monday piece about "Stewardship in the 'Age of Algorithms.'" https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/8097/6583 It's well worth reading.
	♥ 9:45pm Gary: Nice! Will read it tonight, Dean
	♥ 9:45pm coelacanth∅: RR (@940) i keep setting aside certain records -like many of the beatles albums, because i don't want to let them go. ...maybe if i sell all the ones that sort of don't matter as much first, by the time it gets down to the deeply cherished ones my situation will have dramatically changed and i can keep them! (haha, right)
	♥ 9:45pm Gary: Oh, Zipper, I remember that White Album project!
	9:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah Thx.
	9:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes - the White Album man !
	♥ 9:47pm coelacanth∅: Zipperhead @942 i sold him one of my white albums just about a month ago!
	♥ 9:47pm Doug Schulkind: Happy Gary's Records Day, everyone!
	9:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...wathching Godzilla in HD on a 4" smartphone pull the smog monster's eye's out...
	♥ 9:48pm northguineahills: Been here since Harmonia, been doing fiscal chores....
	♥ 9:48pm Gary: Doug!
	♥ 9:48pm Gary: NGH!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:49pm doctorjazz: I have a basic analog-digital converter, have digitized maybe 2-3 albums. It's a tedious process, takes as long as the album plays, hopefully levels are good, or you repeat. Then you need to transfer to a computer, use tagging software to split album into tracks and tag them with track names. Also someone's takes a few tries. Very tedious (I'm still here, "not dead yet" as Monty Python sang)
	♥ 9:49pm coelacanth∅: my description on discogs was pretty funny, i thought! like - this is how bad this is, will you really pay $9 for it? he contacted me within hours of listing it.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:49pm doctorjazz: Now I'm really going, night all!
	♥ 9:50pm Gary: Night, Dr. Jazz!
	♥ 9:50pm coelacanth∅: 'night doc
	9:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Late docjazz !
	♥ 9:53pm Gary: This Guaxe album is gorgeous in person: i.discogs.com...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:54pm Zipperhead7: Wow this is great. Thanks for another wonderful show, Gary! Great to hang out with y'all -- always interesting and insightful; often hilarious.
	♥ 9:54pm StringOFperils: Really interesting program tonight , Gary. I never know what to expect (guess I'm still plagued by expectations, I'm a work in progress). Thanks for doing it!
	♥ 9:55pm Gary: Thanks for your ears, web-friends!
	♥ 9:55pm Gary: And also your amazing stories and insights and hilarity
	9:55pm LambdaCalculus: Thanks for an awesome set tonight, Gary!
	9:55pm Jill B,: Thank you for a great end to my day!
	9:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ Gary S! ~ & indeed everyone for information, insight & humanity.
	♥ 9:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:59pm WR: Thank you Gary and all y'all commenting. Interesting reads.
	9:59pm rw: THXGS!!
	♥ 9:59pm Doug Schulkind: Thanks, Gary!
	♥ 10:00pm Gary: Night, All! Hi RW!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 10:00pm chresti: Thanks Gary!

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from April 27, 2022

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Sounds ripped from cassettes & CDs found in immigrant-run mom & pop stores. Deconstructed icons. Field recordings. Sonic mayhem from the far corners of the internet.

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April 27, 2022: Every Day Is Record Store Day
Recent-ish record store finds on vinyl from Benin, Brazil, Ethiopia, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, Turkey, and Zambia

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Bodega Pop	Intro "Intro" by "Bodega Pop"	Bodega Pop	2022		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Eye Q	Beginning "Beginning" by "Eye Q"	Please the Nation	2022	Zambia	0:04:27 (Pop-up)
Blackfoot	Send Me the Flowers "Send Me the Flowers" by "Blackfoot"	The Foot Steps	1978	Zambia	0:08:45 (Pop-up)
Ricky Banda	I Believe the Man in the Sky	Niwanji Walwa Amwishyo	1976	Zambia	0:12:54 (Pop-up)
Alemayehu Eshete	Addis Abeba Bete	Ethiopian Hit Parade Vol 1	1972	Ethiopia	0:18:02 (Pop-up)
Getachew Kassa	Tezata "Tezata" by "Getachew Kassa"	Ethiopian Hit Parade Vol 2	1972	Ethiopia	0:22:31 (Pop-up)
Mulatu Astatke featuring Fekade Amde Maskal	Yèkèrmo Sèw	Ethio Jazz	2002	Ethiopia	0:31:36 (Pop-up)
T. P. Orchestre Poly-Rythmo De Cotonou - Rep Pop Du Benin	Segla	Segla	2020	Benin	0:35:44 (Pop-up)
Stanislas Tohon	O Kou "O Kou" by "Stanislas Tohon"	Dans le Tchink Système	1979	Benin	0:42:29 (Pop-up)
Orchestre Poly-Rythmo De Cotonou Dahomey	Min E Wa..We Non Dou	Le Sato	1974	Benin	0:49:43 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun City Girls	Caravan "Caravan" by "Sun City Girls"	"More Coffee for the Politicians" (Phoenix Underground Music Compilation #3)	1985	USA	0:57:45 (Pop-up)
Kiyoaki Iwamoto 岩本清顕	Love Will Tear Us Apart (千紗子と純太 Rework) (Chisako & Junta Rework)	SOUGI+	2020	Japan	1:03:01 (Pop-up)
Phew	Doze "Doze" by "Phew"	Phew	1981	Japan	1:09:33 (Pop-up)
High Rise	Pop Sicle "Pop Sicle" by "High Rise"	High Rise II	1986	Japan	1:14:49 (Pop-up)
Nico	All Tomorrow's Parties "All Tomorrow's Parties" by "Nico"	Heroes Live	1986	Germany	1:28:21 (Pop-up)
Harmonia	Deluxe (Immer Wieder) "Deluxe (Immer Wieder)" by "Harmonia"	Deutsche Elektronische Musik 4	2020	Germany	1:32:47 (Pop-up)
Faust	Don't Take Roots "Don't Take Roots" by "Faust"	71 Minutes	2017	Germany	1:42:30 (Pop-up)
Mina	Se C'e Una Cosa Che Mi Fa Impazzire	La Banda Mina	1967	Italy	1:47:04 (Pop-up)
Rats	C'est Disco "C'est Disco" by "Rats"	Italia New Wave	2012	Italy	1:49:50 (Pop-up)
Telaio Magnetico	Parte III "Parte III" by "Telaio Magnetico"	Live '75	2017	Italy	1:54:37 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun City Girls	Caravan "Caravan" by "Sun City Girls"	"More Coffee for the Politicians" (Phoenix Underground Music Compilation #3)	1985	USA	2:07:54 (Pop-up)
Aris San	Dam Dam "Dam Dam" by "Aris San"	Dam-Dam	1972	Greece / Israel
Litsa Diamanti Λίτσα Διαμάντη	Ochi Tha Katso Na Skaso Οχι Θα Κατσω Να Σκασω	Ta Tsahpinika Τα Τσαχπινικα	1975	Greece	2:19:52 (Pop-up)
Xanthippi Karathanasi Ξανθίππη Καραθανάση	Lament Μοιρολόι	Xanthippi Karathanasi Ξανθίππη Καραθανάση	1972	Greece	2:22:34 (Pop-up)
Edip Akbayram	Değmen Benim Gamlı Yaslı Gönlüme	Edip Akbayram	1974	Turkey	2:25:42 (Pop-up)
Barış Manço	Acıh da Bağa Vir	2023	1975	Turkey	2:30:27 (Pop-up)
Erkin Koray	Türkü "Türkü" by "Erkin Koray"	Elektronik Türküler	1974	Turkey	2:34:14 (Pop-up)
Marco Bosco	Fragmentos "Fragmentos" by "Marco Bosco"	Fragmentos Da Casa	1986	Brazil	2:43:05 (Pop-up)
Guaxe	Povo Marcado "Povo Marcado" by "Guaxe"	Guaxe	2019	Brazil	2:51:29 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Catrina Paslaru	Hei La Bodega "Hei La Bodega" by "Catrina Paslaru"	Hei La Bodega - Carnaval!	2000		2:57:32 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:58pm LambdaCalculus: Heya Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:00pm listener james from westwood: How do, Gary, Lambda, and all!
	♥ 7:01pm Gary: Evening, James and LambdaC!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:01pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Heyo!
	♥ 7:05pm Gary: Threemoons!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:06pm chresti: Hi Gary bodega show!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:06pm doctorjazz: Hi Gary and shoppers out there! (was working Saturday, got to a Staten Island record after work, but it had been picked clean...)
	♥ 7:07pm Gary: Chresti and Doctor Jazz!
	7:08pm tim abdellah: Howdy record lovers!
	♥ 7:09pm Gary: Tim!
	♥ 7:09pm Rich in Washington: hola, Gary!
	♥ 7:10pm Gary: Those of you who play records, please tell us about your set up! Rich! You can start, haha!
	♥ 7:19pm Rich in Washington: Asking an audio nerd to describe their setup is like asking Ted Kaczynski to actualize his discontentment with society.
	♥ 7:19pm Gary: Hahahahahaha
	♥ 7:21pm Gary: So, one of my correspondents back in my poet days was the poet Gerald Burns, who had known Kaczynski. Gerald sent me manuscript after manuscript to read back then, including a book he wrote about Kacynski after they caught him -- it's never been published and it's kind of amazing
	♥ 7:24pm Rich in Washington: I have to confess that I was totally ignorant of this wonderful Ethiopian Jazz (etc.) until seeing Jarmusch's Broken Flowers and its wonderful soundtrack.
	♥ 7:29pm Gary: I remember seeing the Ethiopiques series at Tower Records here in New York when the CDs were first coming out but I was still deeply embedded in this phase/attitude of never paying more than $5 for a CD and really trying to avoid buying them at record stores. I missed out hearing Ethiopian music until probably around the time you saw that film, or frankly, maybe even later--I think my first exposure was this blog: ethio-pain-music.blogspot.com \
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:31pm doctorjazz: I was going to post my system, but now I'm embarrassed after Rich's comment...
	♥ 7:31pm Gary: Haha, you guys
	♥ 7:32pm StringOFperils: Hello!
	7:32pm LambdaCalculus: Ahh, a classic!
	♥ 7:32pm Gary: I'm mostly interested in your cartridges/styli and your amps/preamps ... StringOFPerils!
	♥ 7:32pm Rich in Washington: Oh no, doctorjazz. Ignore my comment. I never blow the opportunity for an obscure cultural reference, even if it doesn't hold water.
	♥ 7:35pm coelacanth∅: greetings Gary and all
	♥ 7:36pm Rich in Washington: My whole system's built around cheapness, durability, and utility. There's nothing audiophile about it. Everything's merely serviceable. I just use super ordinary Shure cartridges (sadly out of production, so...) and everything goes into a DJ type mixer which then goes into a broadcaster type mixer.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:36pm listener james from westwood: this set = bloody awesome
	♥ 7:36pm Gary: Coelacanth∅!
	♥ 7:37pm _Ike_: HIPPIES!!!
	♥ 7:37pm Gary: Ike!
	♥ 7:39pm hippie∅: and proud . . . what's a hippie?
	♥ 7:39pm Rich in Washington: Hi coelacanth∅!
	♥ 7:40pm coelacanth∅: olá Rich!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:42pm doctorjazz: It's an aging audiophile here-Linn LP12 turntable with Akurate power supply, Delos Lyra cartridge, Pro-Ject Tube S Phono preamp, Peachtree Preamp, Krell KSA 150 Amp, Thiel 3.6 speakers, VPI 16.5 record cleaner.
	♥ 7:43pm Gary: Damn, Dr. Jazz. I need to go down a Delos Lyra rabbit hole now!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:43pm doctorjazz: (Linn Ittok tonearm, left it out-also on a vibration absorbing table)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:45pm doctorjazz: (assorted record cleaning brushes, goop to dip the stylus in for cleaning, you get the idea)
	♥ 7:46pm Gary: I have a Technics 1500, which came with an Ortofon 2M Red that I hated, so I swapped that out for an Ortfon MK Club, slightly better, and just got an AT 540ML, which I like more. Most of what we're hearing tonight was ripped with the Club, except for some of the last hour. I NEED A VIBRATION ABSORBING TABLE BECAUSE THE KIDS NEXT DOOR ARE FUCKING INSANE AND JUMP AND THROW THEMSELVES AT THE WALL AND ON THE FLOOR and because I live in an old building it feels like the apartment is falling apart when they do that
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:47pm doctorjazz: Have to have some bubble tea-will jump out, back when I've got it.
	♥ 7:48pm Gary: Get me one, Dr. Jazz!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:50pm WR: Hello Gary and Bodegans.
	♥ 7:51pm Gary: WR!
	♥ 7:54pm coelacanth∅: i too have a vibration-absorbing turntable. it's the 1970s Techniques Upon Over 3" Of Various Types Of Bubble Wrap And Foam model.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:55pm chresti: What absorbs vibrations? Sponges?
	♥ 7:55pm Gary: I dunno, Chresti. And I need to know.
	♥ 7:57pm Gary: Rubber, my preliminary googling tells me
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:57pm chresti: Shock absorbers I guess
	♥ 7:57pm coelacanth∅: my floor is so shaky that my dresser handles make a racket when i move on the other side of the room; but my stylus stays in the groove. -and i ♥ my grado prestige black cartridge. solid clear bass, crisp highs...
	♥ 8:00pm coelacanth∅: for about 1/2 of what i almost spent to replace the stylus in an audio-technica cartridge with a lower grade, non-eliptical aftermarket stylus (the only replacement available)
	8:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo !
	♥ 8:04pm Gary: RevRab!
	♥ 8:04pm Gary: Grado! I gotta look that one up but at least I've heard of that brand
	8:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...suspended gyroscopes...
	8:06pm Jill B,: Hi Gary and all the Bodega faithful!
	8:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& an analog laser reading grooves instead of a stylus...
	♥ 8:07pm Gary: Hi Mom! Hope you guys are doing well
	♥ 8:09pm coelacanth∅: Gary i think the company was started as a discount aftermarket replacement supplier but always made a good product; and now that most cartridge/styli companies don't sell any more their quality is considerably better than most other options...as if they're still competing with original equipment.
	8:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in of course an otherwise acoustically silent chamber...
	♥ 8:12pm Gary: The ELP laser turntable is a mere $16,000
	8:14pm Jill B,: All better here!
	8:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hear about this ? : www.msn.com...
	♥ 8:15pm Gary: Good to hear!
	♥ 8:15pm coelacanth∅: i listen via sony receiver (but actually a good sony!) through c.1979 genesis loudspeakers (hardwood cabinets ~27" tall... and heavy) yamaha cd changer, techniques 3200 tt, various cassette decks -right now a nikko all-mechanical model from ~1980s
	8:17pm Don S: awesome you are playing POP SICLE
	8:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Plastic 2nd hand Mac laptop thru a 2nd hand NAD amp - @ the moment into quite odd ceramic Brinkman brand speakers from Britain (also 2nd hand - I worked long in a thrift store)...
	♥ 8:20pm Gary: Don S! and hey I'm jealous of your cassette deck, Ceola-C
	♥ 8:20pm coelacanth∅: seems to me a laser turntable is the quintessential pointless waste of money rip-off gadget for insecure spoiled brats desperately trying to never be 2nd best.
	8:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Mine are white : www.hifisentralen.no...
	♥ 8:21pm Gary: RevRab, what IS that?!? Is that a speaker?
	8:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Is said that most of us use our Stereos to listen to Music ...& rich Audiophiles use Music to listen to their Stereos...
	♥ 8:22pm coelacanth∅: haha RR i like that!
	8:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah. The woofer faces up on the double brass cone, & the tweeter faces down from above. So it's 360°s - not coming from a single point, which is probly more like reality ! & the structure is ceramic ...which is ...interesting tone.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:24pm doctorjazz: I'm back, bubble tea in hand, very happy! Caught up with the comments. 1) Grado has been making cartridges (and well regarded headphones) for a long time (I believe it was started by John Grado, in the 50's, family still run the company in Brooklyn). Very well regarded, not inexpensive cartridges (but there is much that's much crazier expensive).
	♥ 8:26pm Gary: I've seen their headphones at 46 Audio or whatever that place is in midtown that sells headphones, they look very nice but I haven't heard them yet
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:26pm doctorjazz: RRN63;s comment has much truth to it (and has been tossed around for a while), the audiophile with the multi-kilobuck system, and 2 audiophile approved records to play on them so he can listen to the "stereo imaging"
	♥ 8:26pm coelacanth∅: the thing is - is the sound reproduction on a decent turntable so abominable that you can't stand it? i think not ...and is that evil needle going to wear down that one record you play to the point of ruining it? well, for only $16,000 you can eliminate that wear on your record so you won't have to replace it.
	8:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The laser analog turntable for one thing won't physically wear on the record like a stylus. Which I think I pretty major. & there won't be the kind of distortion of say the Bass overwhelming everything else in vibrations... Has been said that while one might think this much clearer - the laser also perfectly represents all the dust & scratches, what have you, as well !...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:27pm Zipperhead7: Hi Gary and Bodegans! Just tuned in. These dewds are kickin' it!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:28pm doctorjazz: Anyway, back to isolation. My room has suspended wood floors-when we moved in and I set up the stereo, the floors bounced so much that any time I walked in the room, the turntable arm flew into the air, had to tiptoe (and even then it could skip).
	♥ 8:28pm Gary: Haha -- I have to admit, tho, I've gone from Gosh This 2004 Sublime Frequencies Release Sounds GREAT! to Gee I Wonder If I Need To Upgrade My Entire System So I Can Wring The Last Bit Of Hidden Sonic Mystery From This Record -- and Sublime Frequencies are still my HEROES by the way
	♥ 8:29pm Gary: Holy shit, Dr. Jazz, that must have driven you up the wall
	8:29pm saanaito: Evening, everyone!
	♥ 8:29pm Gary: Saanaito!
	8:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm surprised no one has looked into Gyroscopes to stabilize turntables...
	♥ 8:30pm coelacanth∅: dr.j that how my bedroom is, but the bubblewrap/foam bed under the turntable works beautifully. and it was free.
	8:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Nice ! :D
	8:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Of course one tries to keep speakers away from walls & floors to get along with neighbors (housemates &tc.) ...but does anybody else put styrofoam under speakers for this ? Or - just me. & - ya think it does anything...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:33pm Zipperhead7: I wonder if younger folks are less inclined towards audiiophilia, given computer audio and the massive compression on recordings today?
	♥ 8:33pm Gary: Zipperhead! It's ironic b/c their ears hear better than mine
	8:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: But some youngsters are into their 'artisanal' Vinyls... HipHop has had some part in that I reckon ?
	8:34pm Dean: It isn't sonic mystery. It's information that is there awaiting retrieval, that is, if the engineering and mastering have done their job. Grado gear is terrific. I don't enjoy headphones, but I have used their cartridges. I'll add that while price isn't everything--some of the priciest gear around has failed to wow me--it often is something. My last acquisition, a partial upgrade of my ancient turntable, including a new cartridge, produced jaw-dropping music. Doctorjazz's implication that the most important piece of audiophile equipment is the space is to my ear 100% correct. Thus, before folks complain about crazy expensive cables and such, consider that only a room designed for acoustic fidelity will provide the optimal listening experience. Few can afford that.
	8:34pm saanaito: i'd say it's unlikely that they are, especially given the popularity of streaming services
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:34pm doctorjazz: I used to review (mostly jazz, surprise, occasionally gear) for a now defunct audiophile magazine (The Audiophile Voice). They got me a turntable stand from a new, wood be manufacturer (Machina Dynamica), which was basically one guy putting these things together in his garage. It had a butcher block type top the turntable sits on, and there were various springs, connections underneath, and what I think is a car shock absorber, that you pumped air into with a bicycle pump, and balanced the butcher block top on it (literally-the platform had to be exactly centered, leveled, and basically floated on the shock absorber). Sounds insane, and I suppose it is, but the thing is, it worked AMAZINGLY! I Could walk, run, dance, and the sound was so much better as well.
	8:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As Beck observed in 'Soundbreaking' re Recording - it's kind of everything is going on @ once now...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:35pm doctorjazz: Hey, Dean, thought this might bring you out!
	♥ 8:35pm Gary: Dean!
	♥ 8:35pm coelacanth∅: RR i have records i've played 5-150 times that sound great. i was given a "discwasher" when i was a teenager and never played a record without washing it first. takes 5 seconds. since then bought a $100 wet record cleaner and a zerostat. there's very little dust on my records. and anyway, perfectly clear sound is not perfect. this is why records sound better than cds. there's no good argument for flawless reproduction. it only makes the "imperfections" of the performances more obvious.
	8:35pm Dean: Yeah, I'm nuts about this stuff.
	♥ 8:37pm Gary: I have to say, I wound up getting a zerostat, which I use religiously, and a spin clean, which I use frequently but not frequently enough (I need to wash new records), and one of those oozy things for the stylus
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:38pm doctorjazz: Anyway, eventually the shock absorber part came loose, wouldn't hold air, so the table top didn't stay elevated and isolated anymore. But I found putting these square isolation pads under the turntable legs (still on the isolation table, but without the shock absorber), and they seem to help a lot. www.amazon.com...
	♥ 8:38pm Gary: But honestly, when I made the transition from CDs to vinyl (checks watch) 10 months ago, I almost went back to CDs because the imperfections were painful to hear at first
	♥ 8:39pm Gary: Reading Damon Krukowski's The New Analog actually kept me from abandoning vinyl
	8:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - could of course discourse on Digital v. Analog @ great length, & we have. Broadly, think everyone was seduced by the increased dynamic range of Digital - whereas the old Analog Engineers (@ their best, this is) understood the limitations they had - & were Artful with them... Also of course - Analog means one thing Analogous to another, like sound wave & record groove - & Digital is Numbers & depends on Sampling Rate to reproduce that. Or - not...
	8:40pm peter: hello from my lunch-break, to Gary & all!
	♥ 8:41pm Gary: Speaking of record stores, Peter! Nice to see you!
	8:41pm Dean: That's because you're focusing on the contextual distractions. The first LP I played on my quasi-upgraded turntable (I'm saving up for phase 2) was a beat-up copy of America's Greatest Hits. Think about that. It sounded glorious. I heard more music from that or any other album than I'd ever heard, not counting the big-boy systems at audio shops I'd visited.
	♥ 8:41pm coelacanth∅: oh man, Gary i cannot relate! around october i started listeni g to all my records -to grade them for selling -and i'm madly in love with music again! awed every day by the beautiful sounds filling my living area.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:42pm doctorjazz: Sorbothane is a rubbery type of material used in much isolation gear. Rubber, I've seen boxes filled with sand, boxes with an inflatable tire tube in them, in theory, they all should work. I've heard of rubber balls being used www.amazon.com...
	♥ 8:42pm Gary: Well, I'm no longer in that listening mode, it somehow over time flipped
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:42pm Zipperhead7: I always thought that when the rush to adopt 44.1K/16-bit digital was akin to saying "Look how convenient videotape is! Let's throw out film!" Plus the record companies could recycle their catalogues. That said, I no longer have vinyl because I got tired of dragging thousands of records all over the country
	8:43pm Dean: My turntable is isolated, more or less, on a stand anchored to studs in the wall.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:43pm doctorjazz: Here's a little guide to some box isolation stands that seems pretty good (If you couldn't tell, I'm nuts with this stuff as well). coloredvinylrecords.com...
	♥ 8:43pm Gary: Oh, nice -- thank you, Dr. Jazz
	8:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes - we can blame the Businessmen once again. Love being informed of these pads & stuff !! Thx !
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:44pm doctorjazz: As Dean said, another option, if you can find the beams in the wall that are secure, there are turntable stands that mount on them, very good for footfall and other vibration taming.
	8:44pm peter: yes, commenting LIVE from the RECORD STORE!!
	♥ 8:45pm Gary: Haha
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:46pm doctorjazz: As a general rule (as a vinylophile, audiophile, and in other aspects of life), things that are new and "better", sometimes are really better, other times they're just more convenient, not necessarily delivering better quality.
	8:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Honestly love the Programmability of Digital. Which is not about Sound per se @ all... & the portability when it comes to that... But that of course is why - as has been mentioned - Music all got Compressed : made Smaller & Smaller - when earlier in the 20th Century we were concerned with making Music Bigger & Bigger (& Fuller)...
	♥ 8:48pm coelacanth∅: i'd planned to attach a shelf to the wall, bought the hardware, cut the wood; but space was (is) an issue and it would've been partially in the line of sound from one speaker. so i tried doubling the bubblewrap -and it works. i don't do the pogo toward the centre of the room, but for the most part i can move normally without consideration of the record playing.
	8:49pm peter: also if i'm not too late i can let you all in on my medium-fi set-up: a Vector Research VT-155 turntable with Audio Technica ATN85EP cartridge and those Audio Technica disc stabilizer feet, through a Vector Research VRX-4200 receiver to Optimus PRO-77 bookshelf speakers.. all cheapies (my investment is all on the cassette side)
	♥ 8:49pm Gary: A big part of my struggle ("my struggle"--oh, please Sullivan) is that I'm almost always headphone listening
	♥ 8:50pm Gary: Disc stabilizer feet ...
	8:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I have found that any Component you can upgrade will be noticeable. Speakers, certainly !
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:50pm doctorjazz: RRN63, I'm not a digiphobe or a technophobe-have lots of digital music. It's great to be able to stream it, listen on phone, in bedroom, in car. My preference for buying music (in physical format) is Bandcamp; most albums there are offered as LP, CD, or download, but when you buy the LP, the download and stream of the album is included! Best of all worlds (the vinyl still sounds the best, but I can use the digital versions where vinyl fears to tread).
	8:51pm Dean: I heard this turntable c.1990 shortly after the company was founded. The venue was a cool audio shop in Bel Air, where I'd purchased a CD player, the EAD. I honestly don't recall how it sounded. The cost at the time was about half of what Fremer states here: https://www.stereophile.com/turntables/258/index.html For me, headphones are uncomfortable and miss the point.
	8:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: bandcamp ! (...sigh.)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:52pm doctorjazz: And, as Dean said, the room is very important in sound quality (have to share my listening room with the family, as it's also the living room, so there are compromises (furniture, can't use acoustic treatments, though the LP racks to serve that purpose).
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:53pm Zipperhead7: Yes, interesting how music formats have declined in size and grown in programmability. I think Prince's "Parade" CD was released unbanded because he didn't want the listener to program it
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:53pm doctorjazz: Dean and I have a long standing disagreement on headphones, which I really like as well, but I've actually come back in recent years to speakers, still enjoy them more (but have audiophile headphone gear which is also great sounding, and has the advantage of NOT being room sensitive).
	♥ 8:53pm coelacanth∅: totally agree about headphones... though i do use them to "examine" recordings. not for just enjoying them.
	8:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I wear one the ear Bose wireless bluetooth headphones when out & about. EarPods never made sense to me. Or - when I'm watching a Movie @ home maybe. Otherwise @ home it's speakers. But I can see loving that fidelity anywhere.
	♥ 8:54pm Gary: I don't have a space I can really listen to speakers in is my primary reason for headphones. Also, I don't really listen during the day while I work, b/c I can't write and listen at the same time
	8:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *over the ear
	8:55pm Dean: Speakers: I disagree, RevRab. Speakers are like friends. Eventually you learn to love them and their idiosyncrasies. Other gear, not so. Bad amplification will perpetually frustrate the experience. Swapping out your speakers will produce a more obvious difference, but swapping out an amplifier, preamplifier, DAC, transport, or power supply(!) will render a difference that over time will have a much more palpable, enduring impact. Such has been my experience.
	♥ 8:55pm coelacanth∅: Zipperhead that's funny though because the parade lp was banded!
	♥ 8:55pm Gary: You all will scoff, but my only speaker is a single Harmon Kardon speaker, which I plug into my mixer when I want to hear things with a bit more attention paid to the bass. It isn't stereo, tho. I haven't heard stereo speakers for -- god, I can't even remember how long
	8:56pm Dean: Ironically, one of my favorite engineers--Marc Aubort, who worked with Joanna Nickrenz--uses headphones.
	8:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh yes - any component you can improve will matter I think. But better speakers is the easiest upgrade with a cheaper system ?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:57pm Zipperhead7: One of the joys of moving out of a Bronx apartment to a house upstate is to BLAST music again on speakers
	8:58pm Dean: RevRab, it really depends. One of the best systems I've ever heard was a complement of moderately priced good gear, including the speakers. To improve the system I would not have replaced the speakers. I might have looked to the amplification, but that's because the person who had the system had a decent turntable, too. A better amp/preamp/integrated amp would have improved the sound without challenging the capacity of the speakers.
	8:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: From my thrift store years - I have two NAD brand amps - with no Volume controls ! I'm sure I just need a Mixer or such for that - but they scare me anyway...
	♥ 8:58pm coelacanth∅: it all makes a difference. even a yamaha cd player will sound considerably better than a sony.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:59pm Zipperhead7: It's like guitar amps. You want it to sound good, you gotta push air out of those speakers
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:00pm doctorjazz: That was a big plus in moving to Central Joisey burbs as well, had a stereo set up in my cramped Park Slope apartment, but it was great from optimal.
	9:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Dean: Well - it's really that I'm in a different Class, & in my past I've been stuck with rilly cheap systems - & just some better used speakers I find somewhere... anyway.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:00pm chresti: Air comes out of speakers?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:00pm doctorjazz: NAD is good stuff, actually...
	9:01pm Dean: NAD: great, reliable gear. I had an integrated amp many years ago. I recently almost acquired a pair of speakers that weigh nearly 700 lbs. each. I'd owned their junior sibling for many years before moving. I declined for various reasons, one of which is that I still really enjoy my inferior 20-year-old speakers, despite their clear limitations.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:01pm Zipperhead7: Well, the speaker pushes air, let's say
	9:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah my long thrift store gig served me pretty well for some stuff.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:01pm doctorjazz: chresti, the cones move back and forth compress and release air, making for sound waves
	♥ 9:02pm Gary: RevRab, I've been toying with doing a THRIFT SCORE show soon
	9:02pm Dean: Unless it's an electrostatic panel. I had Martin Logan Sequel IIs for awhile. They were quite good, and they also really impressed visitors, because you can see through them!
	9:03pm Dean: Still, they put air in motion.
	9:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: This is all just air vibrating. Hearing probly evolved as a specialized function of the sense of Touch...
	9:05pm Dean: Now's the time to refer folks to the recent WFMU tweet about the loudest sound in the world. A good lesson in acoustics.
	♥ 9:05pm coelacanth∅: one of the components of my speaker cabinets is passive radiators... large speaker cones with no magnets attached. it's pretty cool how much they add to the bottom, merely by using the otherwise wasted energy within the cabinets.
	♥ 9:06pm Gary: Oh, post a link, if you have it, Dean
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:06pm doctorjazz: I went through a headphone phase, where I preferred listening to them. It probably had to do with having kids around, listening/watching Sponge Bob in the next room, then they'd be asleep, hard to use the stereo. Now that they've moved out, I've rediscovered the speaker stereo, and generally listen that way (still put on the headphones if someone is asleep, or sometimes Destination Out and the like bring out complaints from house mates
	♥ 9:07pm Gary: My cat doesn't always like Jeff's show
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:07pm Zipperhead7: Extremely low frequencies were once considered as weapons systems. As to headphones, they are very useful if your partner doesn't "grok" a lot of WFMU
	9:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I am quite alone - def a factor. In an apartment building - but it's not bad. Kids below me do Video Game bass & explosions - & they curse valuably. & I listen to FMU & even turn my Marshall practice amp on & deafen myself for a good time. & we all let each other sleep...
	9:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh sonic cannons are standard Police fare now. Hawkwind was prescient...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:09pm doctorjazz: My older daughter has a series she's posted on social media (? Instagram), where she'll come in when I'm listening to some "out" music (often Jeff's show), and she'll record the music with the camera focused on her quizzical expression, and captioned, "Why does my dad listen to this?"
	9:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...there is supposedly the 'brown note' - which will loosen everyone's bowels ...perhaps apocryphal. Not too eager to find out...
	9:10pm Dean: https://twitter.com/WFMU/status/1516785536341585929?cxt=HHwWksC54Zaa2owqAAAA
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:11pm doctorjazz: OK, meditation time, gotta run, thanks Gary, laters all!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:12pm Zipperhead7: Speaking of "why" . . . the damnedest thing I ever saw in a thrift store was a needlepoint rendering of Dwight Eisenhower's head. I just stared at it, asking myself "Why?! WHY?!"
	9:12pm Dean: I used to play at mildly loud volue early vocal music: Handel, earlier, that sort of stuff. My neighbor one day left on my doorstep a few dozen albums of opera and vocal recitals from many eras. I have them to this day, and because of her charity I now listen often to song. All because I played Handel a wee bit too loudly.
	9:13pm Dean: ^volume
	♥ 9:13pm coelacanth∅: haha doctor that's hilarious!
	9:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Dean Thx for that video. Have read that the SaturnV moon rocket was so loud it melted the concrete beneath it. Like - not the engine heat ...but the sound ???
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:14pm doctorjazz: Like this Dam Dam, holding up my exit, you bum!
	♥ 9:14pm coelacanth∅: (dr.j @909...not 911!)
	♥ 9:15pm Gary: haha, happy trails, Dr. J!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:15pm doctorjazz: I got it, Coela! (btw, check your email).
	♥ 9:15pm Gary: Dean, what a sweet story!
	9:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 194 decibels (that video) - when 100 is the round number danger threshold of Deafness ...& a somewhat exponential scale, I think... TheWho may have been 1st to be 136 dbs ...all quite hearing impaired. Or dead.
	9:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I wonder what dbs I actually hit with my Marshall amp in my face...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:17pm doctorjazz: That's a nice story, Dean (@9:12). Sometimes I get an offer of someone's old vinyl (with a withering look from the wife if she's there).
	♥ 9:17pm coelacanth∅: haha Zipperhead -yes, why?!
	♥ 9:18pm zzz: love Aris! eventually left israel and opened a club in nyc. apparently friendly w louis armstrong
	♥ 9:19pm Gary: Zzz! Whaa? I didn't know about the US part of that story
	9:20pm Dean: I love loud live shows. I recall being peeved about Jesus & Mary Chain in LA. They didn't play as loudly as I'd hoped. But then I've been to shows where the volume was painful: Yes in a stadium, Angel in Santa Monica. The Mama Bear occasion was Brotzmann with Full Blast at a tiny storefront in Berkeley, Meshuggah at a seedy SF club, and every Zeke show ever. Just right!
	9:20pm Dean: And yet I don't like loud stereo playback. This must be due to the distortion.
	♥ 9:21pm zzz: he has a wild story @Gary. went to prison at some point subsequently. ended up in Hungary. died under mysterious circumstances i think?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:21pm Zipperhead7: My Bloody Valentine were so loud they made you gelatinous. Motorhead weren't far behind
	9:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I would take earplugs to an indoor show anymore ...but I stand in my own livingroom with a Marshall amp @ ear level & get feedback &tc. Not for too very long but often enuff. Yes MBV are notorious...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:22pm doctorjazz: My best haul was a friend's collection, when he moved from Long Island to Manhattan. I happened to be visiting my sister, who lived nearby. He used to work for ASCAP, and must have had 10,000 cd's, some vinyl, that he'd copied to hard disk. I didn't have a ton of time, ran through his house (like the old Supermarket Sweep TV show if anyone remembers that), with some boxes, throwing anything of interest into it' came home with hundreds of great discs! (and more of those withering looks, but worth them).
	♥ 9:22pm Gary: WHO IS GOING TO WRITE THE ARIS SON BIOGRAPHY FOR US
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:23pm Zipperhead7: Guitar feedback is such fun. It's like surfing. I never get tired of it
	9:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well said Zipperhead7 !
	♥ 9:24pm zzz: that’s funny @docjazz. supermarket sweep
	9:24pm Dean: My recorder instructor has promised to bequeath me her parents' old LPs.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:24pm doctorjazz: I've tried ear plugs at live shows (even ones marketed as being for live shows-they just suck the life out of the music!
	9:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - but - I also like standing way upfront near amps & speakers... But had the opportunity less & less...
	9:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Loved that lament.
	9:26pm Dean: Agreed, doctorjazz. While I maintain that the aural sense far exceeds the visual in terms of pleasure, I will sacrifice my ears to hella loud bands. Besides, it's also a tactile experience. One can feel the volume.
	♥ 9:27pm coelacanth∅: i guess that's what i was supposed to do when my grandmother died, and when my brother died... but i didn't know that was the custom, and rejected the prospect as i witnessed the rest of family doing it. so i waited 'till they were all done then wandered through. nobody else took any records - or books. so i did. all of them.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:27pm doctorjazz: (After my sweep of his music collection, I arranged for the rest to be donated to WFMU-Matt Warwick drove out and picked them up). Then, in what makes me leary of keeping music only digitally, his redundant, guaranteed set up that he'd copied all his music onto FAILED, backups FAILED, and he lost lots of music (but I had much of what he lost, and have been sending it to him ever since).
	♥ 9:27pm Gary: RevRab, I played that Lament on the listening station turntable at Academy and fell in love -- I wound up putting everything else I took to the listening turntable back except that
	9:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There is an irony - in that for instance, frequencies seems clearer & more balanced when you step outside a venue sometimes...
	9:29pm Dean: Yep, RevRab. Again, it's all about that space.
	♥ 9:29pm Gary: Holy shit, Dr. Jazz -- that's a harrowing story for your friend
	♥ 9:29pm ike̶̬̕: @RRN63@9:08, LOL @ "they curse valuably". Is that like "go fuck yourself with a million-dollar NFT!" or "your mom sucks gold bars in a bank vault!"
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:30pm doctorjazz: My loud music/concert attendance DID result in hearing loss-I've done sweeps, seems my hearing TANKS around the 8-10 khz rang3e, then goes right back up. Been like that since my mid to late teens (the first time I checked)
	9:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I meant volubly - but let it go...
	♥ 9:31pm coelacanth∅: i'd been planning to take a drive to nj for a couple of years, to my father's house to get all his records and some of his books; but i just found out ~10 days ago the bank has finally taken it. dumpsters outside, probably with lots of records and books in them. oh well. i snooze, i lose.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:31pm doctorjazz: coela, that's sad indeed.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:31pm doctorjazz: (I thought I said goodbye...)
	♥ 9:32pm coelacanth∅: this is a meditation, doctor
	♥ 9:33pm ike̶̬̕: Sorry, bad copy-editor habit. I hope that was at least amusing.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:33pm Zipperhead7: Dr Jazz -- yes, so frustrating. I burn everything onto CDs, but Apple in their infinite wisdom got rid of internal burners so you would put everything on their friggin' cloud. I have to use an external burner, and with the stupid dongle I make coaster after coaster because of "unstable connection." Jeez, coelacanth∅, that is heartbreaking!
	9:33pm Jill B,: Wow, quite the assortment of music/countries. Very nice Gary.
	♥ 9:33pm coelacanth∅: ...yeah he had a bunch of "provocative percussion" series type stuff i really wanted, amongst other things.
	9:34pm Dean: When I cleared out my parents' house after my mom died, I grabbed a small stash of LPs and singles, but mostly realized I wasn't in any shape to claim it all. The fact of the matter hurts, but being a librarian I also realize that this sort of loss occurs all the time. We try, folks.
	9:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I recently had to get everything I've had in storage out - & into my trap here. A lifetime of Stuff. Great to be reunited. But there's that one or two things that are just missing ...& it becomes all about them ...as I'm stumbling over too much stuff. Meanwhile ...in this era - endless streams to read, listen to & watch I can never ever ever keep with.
	♥ 9:34pm Gary: Mom, I'm glad you've liked it so far!
	9:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& yeah - ripping everything to Hardrives ...only to learn - oh, they kind of rot. & aren't too reliable. ( ! ! ! )
	9:36pm Dean: Perfect sound forever. Pissed me off from day 1.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:36pm doctorjazz: You're right, coela, but I have a regular formal meditation we do with a friend over the phone (Headspace), about time for it. When my mom passed, and the house was sold, I recovered her small collection-Tony Orlando and Dawn's Knock Three Times, and The Barry Sisters. Not much of a haul...
	♥ 9:36pm coelacanth∅: RR i had to do that with my records last year. that's why i'm selling them. i have a spare bedroom and i cannot afford this apartment without renting it out, but it's full of records now!
	♥ 9:37pm Gary: Haha, Dean, the book by that title is a terrific read, btw
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:38pm Zipperhead7: Erkin Koray sounds like he's saying something very important. I wish I knew what it was..
	♥ 9:38pm coelacanth∅: right on. - i do think i got the majority of his 45s anyway, because it took them while he was still alive!
	9:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...which brings me back to topic of : The only thing I wanna do with Analog - is rip it to Digital - so - it's backed up, I can get rid of a lot of it, it doesn't wear out when I use it, & I can Program it & Listen to it in the ways I am now accustomed to do so on the devices for that... & I'm not even set up to convert Analog to Digital in any format & don't even know how.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:40pm Zipperhead7: I have a stand-alone CD recorder that does pretty well. It's like making a cassette tape!
	♥ 9:40pm Gary: I rip everything not to listen to it but to broadcast it -- having lost external hard drives I'm pretty nervous about ever ripping all and getting rid of the physical artefacts
	9:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I mean, I'm keeping the Beatles LPs I grew up with & whose covers are disintegrating & I beat to crap the stupid punk child I was...
	9:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...they talk now like - oh - have two external backups ...eyeroll...
	♥ 9:41pm coelacanth∅: i'm creating digital ("lossless") files of many of the records i'm selling, so at least -though digital, it'll sound better than any streaming or (ugh) video service can provide.
	9:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh yeah - forget mp3s.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:42pm Zipperhead7: Re: record collecting -- www.thewhitealbumproject.com...
	♥ 9:43pm Gary: Wow, not a lot of time left before SAM SEGAL ARRIVES WITH IF YOU LOSE YOUR HORSE! Tonight's episode: "An Awkward Horse, Years Past His Prime, Engaged in a Task Far Beyond His Capacities" wfmu.org...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:43pm chresti: Nose plug, it sounded like.
	9:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...but I'm listening to mp4s of 2009 Remastered Beatles ...just in time for 5.1s & Atmos whatever that is precisely & other Formats to get traction...
	9:44pm Dean: The process of backing up analog to digital--and digital to digital--is fraught with practical and theoretical issues. On an individual level such as RevRab's or Gary's it's not such a big deal, but for nearly permanent protection it's a huge problem. I will recommend Cliff Lynch's marvelous First Monday piece about "Stewardship in the 'Age of Algorithms.'" https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/8097/6583 It's well worth reading.
	♥ 9:45pm Gary: Nice! Will read it tonight, Dean
	♥ 9:45pm coelacanth∅: RR (@940) i keep setting aside certain records -like many of the beatles albums, because i don't want to let them go. ...maybe if i sell all the ones that sort of don't matter as much first, by the time it gets down to the deeply cherished ones my situation will have dramatically changed and i can keep them! (haha, right)
	♥ 9:45pm Gary: Oh, Zipper, I remember that White Album project!
	9:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah Thx.
	9:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes - the White Album man !
	♥ 9:47pm coelacanth∅: Zipperhead @942 i sold him one of my white albums just about a month ago!
	♥ 9:47pm Doug Schulkind: Happy Gary's Records Day, everyone!
	9:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...wathching Godzilla in HD on a 4" smartphone pull the smog monster's eye's out...
	♥ 9:48pm northguineahills: Been here since Harmonia, been doing fiscal chores....
	♥ 9:48pm Gary: Doug!
	♥ 9:48pm Gary: NGH!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:49pm doctorjazz: I have a basic analog-digital converter, have digitized maybe 2-3 albums. It's a tedious process, takes as long as the album plays, hopefully levels are good, or you repeat. Then you need to transfer to a computer, use tagging software to split album into tracks and tag them with track names. Also someone's takes a few tries. Very tedious (I'm still here, "not dead yet" as Monty Python sang)
	♥ 9:49pm coelacanth∅: my description on discogs was pretty funny, i thought! like - this is how bad this is, will you really pay $9 for it? he contacted me within hours of listing it.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:49pm doctorjazz: Now I'm really going, night all!
	♥ 9:50pm Gary: Night, Dr. Jazz!
	♥ 9:50pm coelacanth∅: 'night doc
	9:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Late docjazz !
	♥ 9:53pm Gary: This Guaxe album is gorgeous in person: i.discogs.com...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:54pm Zipperhead7: Wow this is great. Thanks for another wonderful show, Gary! Great to hang out with y'all -- always interesting and insightful; often hilarious.
	♥ 9:54pm StringOFperils: Really interesting program tonight , Gary. I never know what to expect (guess I'm still plagued by expectations, I'm a work in progress). Thanks for doing it!
	♥ 9:55pm Gary: Thanks for your ears, web-friends!
	♥ 9:55pm Gary: And also your amazing stories and insights and hilarity
	9:55pm LambdaCalculus: Thanks for an awesome set tonight, Gary!
	9:55pm Jill B,: Thank you for a great end to my day!
	9:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ Gary S! ~ & indeed everyone for information, insight & humanity.
	♥ 9:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:59pm WR: Thank you Gary and all y'all commenting. Interesting reads.
	9:59pm rw: THXGS!!
	♥ 9:59pm Doug Schulkind: Thanks, Gary!
	♥ 10:00pm Gary: Night, All! Hi RW!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 10:00pm chresti: Thanks Gary!

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from April 27, 2022

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