WFMU: Hinky Dinky Time with Uncle Michael: Playlist from November 5, 2021

Listener comments!
	♥ 12:01pm Spinning Giant: Hey-ho H-D-T-ers! Bonjour @UM! :D
	12:01pm dan: Good afternoon
	♥ 12:01pm Uncle Michael: SG!
	🛒 ♥ 12:02pm doctorjazz: Hello Hinkers and Dinkers!
	♥ 12:02pm Doug Schulkind: Never in my life. NEVER.
	🛒 ♥ 12:02pm listener james from westwood: Good Friday, UM and all!
	🛒 ♥ 12:02pm unpopularfred: Howdy
	12:02pm prudy: hello all...
	♥ 12:02pm Franco Twinkie: Morning Michael.
	🛒 ♥ 12:03pm Hopey Sockmonkey: Good day UM and Dinks!
	♥ 12:03pm Franco Twinkie: Hopey, nice to see you.
	♥ 12:04pm Uncle Michael: dan! Doc! Doug! James! fred! prudy! Franco! Hopey!
	🛒 ♥ 12:05pm spodiodi: good morning, Uncle Michael and all!
	♥ 12:05pm Uncle Michael: spodi!
	12:05pm Mr C: Playing Freddie Redd! Gearing up for next weeks subbing on GTDS..
	♥ 12:06pm Franco Twinkie: Today is Sam Shepards birthday. R.I P.
	♥ 12:06pm Uncle Michael: Mr. C!
	♥ 12:06pm Uncle Michael: You gonna fill in for me, Mr. C?
	12:07pm Mr C: I wish i could brother..
	12:09pm KWilde: Good afternoon!
	♥ 12:10pm Uncle Michael: KWilde!
	12:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Beautiful Beautiful BlueNote
	♥ 12:10pm Uncle Michael: Rev!
	🛒 ♥ 12:10pm doctorjazz: Another fine Blue Note 45 RPM disc-you hit the jackpot with that subscription (jealous...)
	🛒 ♥ 12:11pm Hopey Sockmonkey: Hey, Franco! I don't get to hang out much in chat now that I'm back to working on campus
	♥ 12:12pm Rich in Washington: Greetings, Uncle Michael! Hello everyone!
	12:12pm Listening Out There: The moped chase in "Diva"...
	12:12pm dan: This is a first, an opera aria on Hinky Dinky Time.
	🛒 ♥ 12:12pm adamdoesit: Hello UM, Haitches and Dees. Boy, that new opera show came together quickly.
	12:13pm Listening Out There: What aria gonna play next, UM?
	♥ 12:13pm Uncle Michael: LOT! adam! Yep...I'm on the case! None!
	♥ 12:13pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Uncle Michael! ... better not tell Wilhelmina you're playing a recording of her!
	12:13pm dan: This needs a segue into Rockaria
	12:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bel Canto one of my 'taste barriers' waiting to be knocked down (tho I love Classtical Musics awlready)...
	♥ 12:14pm TDK60: What's shakin' DJ UM?!
	12:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...yerknow, undeniable...
	🛒 ♥ 12:15pm Cmurtha: Hello UM/ Everyone!
	♥ 12:15pm Webhamster Henry: There is also East Village Opera Company en.wikipedia.org...
	♥ 12:16pm Franco Twinkie: Campus?
	♥ 12:17pm Uncle Michael: Henry! TDK! Cmurtha! Oops.
	🛒 ♥ 12:17pm βrian: I've been on campus twice over that past 18 months. Seems like a different world.
	♥ 12:17pm Uncle Michael: Brian!
	12:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Seems I adore every one of these British FolkRawk bands.
	♥ 12:19pm TDK60: Revrab: just be careful; don't be lead to any wicker.
	♥ 12:19pm Franco Twinkie: Up against the wall!
	🛒 ♥ 12:20pm doctorjazz: @Franco, you beat me by about a minute! Boy, stuff has changed...
	♥ 12:20pm Pauly from Clifton: Hey Uncle Michael, folks!
	♥ 12:20pm TDK60: I saw this combo during that tour. What'd you just say Franco? Docjazz: not quite enough.
	🛒 ♥ 12:20pm βrian: No ochre suit today, UM?
	♥ 12:20pm Franco Twinkie: Fists in the air Doc!
	♥ 12:21pm Uncle Michael: Pauly!
	🛒 ♥ 12:23pm doctorjazz: Hands in the air these days are likely to be a Nazi salute, sigh...
	12:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TDK60 if BrittEkland is involved all bets are off.
	12:23pm prudy: interesting to think about this song in this age of vigilantism...
	🛒 ♥ 12:25pm doctorjazz: They got the guns, we got the numbers-think that'll help?
	12:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There's more of us. Our resistance to goose-stepping just makes it seem otherwise. ...Tho' I fear this same Boomer arrogance has all too often become channelled into AntiVaxxing & all manner of Libertarian temper tantrums...
	♥ 12:26pm Franco Twinkie: It's true, the ethos of The Airplane is long gone, but some of us remember the vibe only to well.
	12:27pm prudy: Rev Rab: yep...agreed...
	12:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Left learned nothing from the DNC in Chicago 1968 - a key marker that gets not 1% the attention of say Woodstock...
	12:27pm prudy: UM: info about Schlagers?
	♥ 12:28pm TDK60: (Excuse me, see summer 2020. BLM! etc.)
	12:28pm Mr C: Jobim..
	♥ 12:28pm Uncle Michael: www.discogs.com...
	12:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Good Point TDK60.
	♥ 12:29pm Spinning Giant: beautiful...a lil Frank to soothe the frayed edges...sigh
	12:29pm dan: Just read that Jethro Tull have a new album coming out in the new year.
	🛒 ♥ 12:29pm spodiodi: also agree with you, RevRabbit... and happy belated bday! i was distracted weds, but meant to mention before 100% Whatever ended. hope it was great, as is the rest of your month
	♥ 12:30pm Franco Twinkie: You are correct sir! But regardless, for a brief moment it seemed that social change was a hazy possibility.
	12:30pm judy from croton: Brilliant segue uncle M
	12:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY spodiodi !
	♥ 12:32pm Franco Twinkie: The DNC in Chicago was when the flowers were stomped into the ground.
	12:32pm dan: And also, Deep Purple and Tears For Fears have new albums coming out soon.
	12:33pm prudy: thanks so much for explaining Schlagers...
	♥ 12:33pm Franco Twinkie: I have two copies of Zapped. Two different covers.
	♥ 12:33pm Webhamster Henry: "Schlagers" = German for "Hits.", I was hoping to hear Frankie sing inGerman.
	♥ 12:34pm TDK60: (See global demos today and tomorrow over climate - COP26.)
	12:36pm prudy: love this groove...
	♥ 12:36pm Uncle Michael: Thanks for the warning, dan.
	♥ 12:36pm Uncle Michael: judy!
	12:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It would be ideal to honor Marx by proving him wrong : that no Bloody Revolution is necessary to create Equality & Democracy. The Oligarchs become ever more entrenched - @ the same time with more Information - the Youth in particular are seeing thru the Institutions to what the Future actually & factually holds for them & the Environment. ...& @ the same time - people are manipulated by Disinformation to become Fascists. I always note that WWII followed the Depression. It's not some impenetrable mystery! With all that's happening now - don't forget the Great Recession in 2008... Various reasons people doubt what is said to them & resent Authority. Rightly so - but the same who are responsible for those conditions are of course exploiting them to misdirect people - like Arsonists who both light the fires & phone them in. Nothing Machiavelli & Hitler for instance didn't map out explicitly...
	12:40pm Listener Robert: Rabbit, sometimes we're so far from the liberty we want that it seems tantrum is the only appropriate response. It doesn't do any good in the long run, but at least it lets us know there are other libertarians out there.
	12:44pm Listener Robert: But i know what you mean. My friend Ralph, as a lawyer, got involved in the 1990s defending individuals against vaccine mandates. The trouble was, individual liberty was not acceptable widely enough as a reason to not be so coerced. So he had to study all the evidence that makes vaccines look bad, so at least they'd have an acceptable reason to refuse. Over the years, when you look at the evidence on only one side of such an issue, it distorts your perspective, and he turned from pro-freedom to frankly anti-vax, where he still is today.
	12:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ListenerRobert: Libertarian & Liberal are obviously words with the same root. But obviously what happens is people get sold getting rid of Rules in the name of FreeDumbs - & then only the richest of the ultrarich get to do anything they please - & to hell with anything, or anyone else. & a load of ridiculous Fascists get seated into power. My Liberty to swing my fist ends @ your nose. We are a Society & need to think like grownups to live together.
	12:45pm Listener Robert: That's not to say I'm in favor of any and every vaccination myself. On balance I think it's a great technology, but like every bit of tech out there, it's sometimes over-promoted and hijacked for parochial or pecuniary purposes.
	♥ 12:46pm Uncle Michael: An example, please?
	12:46pm Listener Robert: I think you'll find libertarians agree on the nose thing. They just might disagree as to how far one's nose extends in various cases.
	♥ 12:47pm StringOFperils: Nevillized.
	12:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It doesn't help BigPharma won't, for instance, release the vaccine patents. So whose argument doesn't that support - the Libertarian Capitalists, or us Commie Socialists ?
	🛒 ♥ 12:47pm spodiodi: amen, RRN63
	12:48pm dan: Paul Jones doesn't get any credit for being an amazing singer and harmonica player.
	12:48pm Listener Robert: Michael, you want examples from me or Rabbit? About general matters or vaccination in particular?
	♥ 12:48pm Uncle Michael: I want an example of a vaccine that's been over-promoted and hijacked for parochial or pecuniary purposes.
	♥ 12:49pm Franco Twinkie: Look what The Jefferson Airplane hath wrought, a serious dialogue!
	♥ 12:50pm StringOFperils: Someone high-jacked Jefferson Airplane?
	12:50pm Listener Robert: Easy: HPV. In the last century they started promoting that for use on children. By the time they got to an age where they'd be sexually active, that vaccination would've worn off. So it was all risk and no benefit to them.
	12:50pm Listener Robert: Similarly hepatitis B for the general population.
	🛒 ♥ 12:52pm Phillippe: Howdy! Spodi! Franco! RR! DrJ! All you other fine people!
	12:53pm dan: By the way UM, are you going to play John Lennon's "Remember" on today's show because it's the Fifth of November?
	12:53pm Andres: Hi, Uncle Michael! Loved that Fanny! So sweet!
	♥ 12:54pm Uncle Michael: That's complete nonsense. HPV vaccines result in a 90% decrease in cervical cancer in women who were vaccinated in their youth, according to a British study. I need to find the study.
	♥ 12:54pm Uncle Michael: Phillippe!
	12:55pm Listener Robert: Yes, such a study came out recently, but it the results could not have been inferred at that time. And "youth" includes ages a lot older than among those they've been promoting.
	12:55pm prudy: well in the case of Covid individual liberty should not include the right to endanger others by not getting vacinated...or should not...
	♥ 12:56pm StringOFperils: THAT study will certianly appear in The Lancet soon enough, as a more broadly available publication (helps if you know a doctor). Data scrutiny has to bear up, it's true; and oh so easy to second-guess the press these days
	♥ 12:56pm Uncle Michael: www.bbc.com...
	♥ 12:57pm Rich in Washington: I'm getting my Pfizer PBooster. I'm also bugging my doctor to give me the shingles vaccine after seeing a couple of friends deal with horrible cases of shingles.
	♥ 12:57pm Uncle Michael: Wow, they couldn't have known how effective the vaccine would be so it was hijacked and over-hyped?
	12:57pm prudy: shingles is an awful shitshow...
	♥ 12:58pm Rïch in Wäshïigtön: Motörhead!
	12:58pm Listener Robert: Yes, Michael. One's neck shouldn't be stuck out for someone else's possible future glory unless you know it.
	♥ 12:59pm Uncle Michael: \m/,
	♥ 12:59pm Uncle Michael: alrighty then
	♥ 12:59pm Rïch in Wäshïigtön: I trust science like I believe in the Bernoulli principle every time I get in an airplaine.
	12:59pm Listener Robert: It was a combination of pecuniary and parochial reasons the papilloma and hep B were so promoted. Pecuniary: make money, duh! Parochial: so "risk groups" wouldn't be stigmatized, even if "stigmatization" is just common sense.
	🛒 ♥ 1:00pm spodiodi: howdy, Phillippe! how's life on the bay today?
	1:00pm Listener Robert: I would not have minded a prospective trial to prove benefit being undertaken, but that requires informed consent.
	🛒 ♥ 1:01pm doctorjazz: www.cancer.gov... Here's one study on HPV vaccine and cervical cancer. There's no question there is less cancer because of the vaccine. I'll look for Hepatitis B vaccine information, but my recollection is that universal vaccination of infants has indeed decreased chronic hepatitis B (which itself causes cirrhosis and cancer of the liver). I routinely have to test teens for antibody to hepatitis B when they volunteer for hospital jobs. Most still have antibody in their teens; the few that don't generally respond with good levels after a single booster. And, my understanding is that vaccines aren't really Big Pharma's cash cow. They make most money on meds that you need to take chronically (cholesterol meds, for instance). The current vaccine for COVID may be different, because the financial arrangements are different for it.
	🛒 ♥ 1:02pm zzz: love that juaneco y su combo-- chicha stuff was my sountrack for this past summer.
	🛒 ♥ 1:02pm doctorjazz: (I'm in and out of the comments, doing office work, but that's from earlier)
	🛒 ♥ 1:02pm spodiodi: thanks for that info, and greetings, doctorjazz!
	🛒 ♥ 1:03pm doctorjazz: Hey, Spodiodi!
	🛒 ♥ 1:03pm Phillippe: cold and breezy, spodi. How's the west coast?
	1:03pm Listener Robert: Most biologicals aren't cash cows unless they can have a lot paid for a narrow patient class. However, what they seem to have developed into is cash cows for tort lawyers.
	1:04pm Listening Out There: The Guardian had a good article recently on Manfred Mann. The link sorta tells the story: www.theguardian.com...
	🛒 ♥ 1:04pm spodiodi: colder than i requested, Phillipe, but it's nice and sunny at the moment... so i'm good :-B :)
	♥ 1:04pm StringOFperils: Well, personally, as a survivor of a cancer caused by the HPV - and that was no fun at all - the availability of studies that indicate conclusive evidence of a reduction in the number of cases is a really big deal
	🛒 ♥ 1:05pm Cmurtha: The Marxist Historian Eric Hobsbawm postulated on a lot of this in the conclusion of his general history "The Age of Extremes". Its a general history, and he was writing in the 90s, so, problems exist in it. But, the entrenchment of Capital in the face of the collapse of its opposition (the fall of the USSR, cementing a liberal order where there was no "functioning" alternative from the perspective of elites and media makers). He argued that this lack of alternative would lead to the “unchaining” of capital, and a great deal of anxeity in people and governments, left with a situation that was, not sustainable. He argued that the disorder, and this feeling of hopelessness that many would face as their world view was thrown into question with no seeming alternatives (communism failed, the police apparatus had expanded to an absurd degree) would lead to conspiracies, distrust, and malaise as people could not find an outlet for their material condition, and dissatisfaction. Revolution Rabbit is certainly spouting some facts I think. We're just living in an age where technology has really already rendered most jobs obsolete, and most people's ways of identifying are in crisis (see - the nation) and we're grappling with that. The mass skepticism, doubt, and, and seeming hopelessness are all outgrowth of seemingly inevitable collapse of the current order constructed in the wake of WW2 which warped into every-ones favorite hollow signifier neo-liberalism in the 1970s. I know this is not directly in response to the discussion vis-a-vis vaccines, but this notion of skepticism, tthe questioning of everything and the paths its taking us down are very reminiscent of the post world-war one moment. When the ideals of the late 19th century died hard, everything one thrown into chaos, everyone questioned everything, no one knew what was coming, and people desperately looked to create order in a world (from European perspective of course) thrown into total anarchy. My Ph.D is in Ottoman History though and this is just some idle typing. Should probably think it through more.
	♥ 1:05pm StringOFperils: Hinky dinky, It's the show with a surgical thread
	1:06pm dan: I wonder what Mr. Science thinks about vaccines.
	1:06pm Listener Robert: Of course you (StringOFperils) and a broad class benefit from knowing results of retrospective studies. But does that justify avoiding a PROspective study, giving the drug to volunteers who know they're being tested for the benefit of others?
	♥ 1:07pm Uncle Michael: SoP!
	🛒 ♥ 1:07pm doctorjazz: Django!!! (there's a festival of Django-following guitarists in NYC, maybe I'll catch some shows)
	🛒 ♥ 1:08pm Cmurtha: Gotta love Django Reinhardt. I discovered him through a friend back in highschool...Said Friend also tried to get me into electro-swing which was new-ish at the time. That one didn't stick as well
	1:08pm Listener Robert: We learned things about the course of syphilis from the Tuskegee studies, but did that justify telling the subjects they weren't being experimented on?
	1:08pm Listening Out There: @doctorjazz: Here on the left coast, we have Djangofest, which is similar...
	♥ 1:08pm Lane Gray: Good afternoon! One of my DC area musician friends is the accordion player for a band called Djangolaya
	🛒 ♥ 1:09pm spodiodi: Sabdap, everybody. Sabdap!
	♥ 1:09pm Uncle Michael: Lane! What goes into their crawfish pie?
	♥ 1:09pm Lane Gray: Dan, you made me remember Dr. Science, from Ducksbreath
	♥ 1:10pm Lane Gray: As Charlie is Jewish, they may well eschew the crawfish pie.
	1:10pm Listener Robert: Dan Coffe? He's still around and publishing in various media AFAIK.
	♥ 1:11pm StringOFperils: Immediately linking your idea about this vaccine's deployment and Tuskeegee automatically seems dubious. Too much Philip K. Dick. You must think what you desire to think. As long as you keep thinking.
	♥ 1:11pm Rïch in Wäshïigtön: Duck's Breath stuff is getting a nice reissue effort. I know they guy doing it - he's also lovingly restored and reissued a bunch of Firesign Theatre stuff.
	♥ 1:11pm Uncle Michael: Rich, I think I might know that guy too.
	1:12pm Andres: Love this raga record! A Saturday night fave!
	1:12pm Listener Robert: SOP, it's just that I'm in the field of immunology and I work on clinical trials, so I have reason to look at both the best and worst case scenarios.
	♥ 1:12pm Sweet Corn Lizzie: Good morning, late because I had to WORK. Looks like I need to listen to what I missed, so much good stuff. Agree with you, StringOFperils. Yeah science gets misused but don't throw it all out.
	♥ 1:13pm Uncle Michael: Lizzie!
	🛒 ♥ 1:13pm doctorjazz: And, to get back to Hepatitis B vaccine (then I'll drop this), there is a reason for the birth dose of the vaccine. The problem with catching Hepatitis B, nasty as it is, isn't just the acute illness (fever, vomiting, jaundice for a couple of months). The worst outcome is becoming a chronic carrier of the virus in one's liver, which then causes cirrhosis and cancer of the liver. (John Coltrane died of liver cancer, likely from picking the virus up during his heroin years). Newborns are particular prone to getting the virus from their mom's through the placenta; they don't even get sick, just carry the virus and eventually those liver problems. Initially, the vaccine was just given to mom's that had risk for hepatitis B, but they found that the strategy didn't decrease newborn hepatitis at all (the mom's weren't necessarily honest about risks, and blood tests can miss it early in an infection), so it was decided to give it to all newborns. The result-chronic Hepatitis B dropped significantly. (sorry, you got me started, I spend my days advocating for vaccines).
	1:14pm Andres: Let's not be smearing Philip K. Dick, please.
	🛒 ♥ 1:14pm sinner: Diggin' the tunes (as always); diggin' the political science insights. One quick question: I can't find the original reference to crawfish pie me-o my-o.
	♥ 1:14pm Uncle Michael: (Djangolaya) Sinner!
	1:15pm prudy: love this Bombshell Baby stuff!
	1:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cmurtha interesting.
	1:16pm Listener Robert: But on the other hand, doctorjazz, for many decades they gave the Crede (AgNO3 drops) to newborns' eyes. (I did it myself in med school.) They continued this out of inertia long after there were less painful means of prophylaxis -- but primarily because hardly anybody seems to care about pain in newborns. (You could say the same of the persistence of circumcision.)
	1:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Cmurtha : May I Copy & Post that discourse @ 1:05 over in Zuckerland as Reply to my own - credited to 'Cmurtha' (or whatever you wish) ?
	🛒 ♥ 1:18pm Cmurtha: of course!
	1:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cheers ! Playlist is unfailing btw.
	1:19pm Listener Robert: Darn, now all this has got me "going" when I just wanted to listen and get some paying work done.
	🛒 ♥ 1:20pm Jeff Golick: Eric Hobsbawm would've gotten down with The Ex.
	♥ 1:21pm Uncle Michael: I will just ignorantly agree! Jeff!
	🛒 ♥ 1:23pm doctorjazz: Listener Robert-I'm not going to say everything done is properly vetted, and Docs, like most folks, get into habits that aren't broken easily. I do recall circumcision being done routinely in all newborns WITHOUT local anesthesia (the thinking, crazy as it seems now, was that somehow newborns didn't feel the pain the way older kids and adults do, mostly because they couldn't complain). But slowly stuff sinks in-boys still get circs, but never without local anesthesia these days. I'm struck by teaching I had in med school/residency that the way to avoid allergies was to avoid foods that cause allergy (avoid peanuts, say, until 2-3 years of age). There was no study that proved this that I know of, it just seemed logical/common sensical. Then there was a now famous study of Israeli children, that proved just the opposite; early introduction to babies that were genetically prone to allergy made them LESS likely to become allergic. All you can do is try to avoid or check on lazy thinking (but you have to realize you are indulging in lazy thinking).
	1:24pm judy from croton: Ah the wildness, Uncle M! Fits my mad erasing mode in my little’art’ studio in Peekskill
	🛒 ♥ 1:24pm spodiodi: i love it whenever you play Mexican Institute of Sound, UM!
	♥ 1:24pm Lane Gray: Sinner, might you be thinking of Jambalaya, from the Hillbilly Shakespeare™?
	🛒 ♥ 1:24pm doctorjazz: (I should state here, UM, really enjoying the show!)
	♥ 1:24pm Uncle Michael: make art like mad, judy! me too, spodi!
	1:24pm judy from croton: Erasing is as essential as drawing, sez me
	♥ 1:25pm Uncle Michael: thanks, Doc!
	♥ 1:25pm Lane Gray: I'm enjoying it, but it's keeping me up... Mrs. Gray says hello.
	♥ 1:26pm Uncle Michael: Hello, Mrs. G!
	🛒 ♥ 1:27pm adamdoesit: Can't keep still to this one.
	🛒 ♥ 1:27pm doctorjazz: Not familiar with Mexican Institute of Sound, what a hot number!
	🛒 ♥ 1:28pm zzz: " Then there was a now famous study of Israeli children, that proved just the opposite; early introduction to babies that were genetically prone to allergy made them LESS likely to become allergic. " --this is one of my favorite studies in part because in the Methods it says by name the kids were given Bamba as their peanut exposure. if you know you know!
	🛒 ♥ 1:29pm Jeff Golick: This might go without saying, but I find myself saying it anyway: the Tuskegee study is not an example of science overreach, or "bad vaccine science." It's an example of how inhumane we can be under the banner of science.
	1:30pm Listener Robert: But the people doing the study didn't think they were inhumane, they just thought they were doing important work for mankind.
	🛒 ♥ 1:31pm doctorjazz: @zzz, I love that study as well.
	1:33pm Listener Robert: It's like Google's slogan, "Don't be evil." Nobody thinks, "I'm evil! Bwahahahaha!"
	🛒 ♥ 1:34pm spodiodi: <3
	1:35pm Marie: Hey UM, hey All. Digging the show--love that image
	🛒 ♥ 1:35pm spodiodi: i do, Robert. minus the Bwahahaha
	1:35pm prudy: listener Robert: they also wanted to control black bodies..
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm doctorjazz: I believe that's what led to requiring ethics review of human studies, LR.
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm Jeff Golick: I don't know about that, @LR. The study lasted like 4 decades. And it's only with the benefit of hindsight, I suppose, that I can say this (which I guess is your point?), but what the study-doers thought they were doing is immaterial. You think if that medical team heard from an ethicist at the time that what they were doing was beyond the pale, the docs would've pulled back?
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm Phillippe: Hey, I think I like this Elvis guy! If he's good lookin' my wife might like him too!
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm Brian in UK: Jeff Golick, guess that you have read this but here it is anyway. www.lordbuckley.com...
	♥ 1:36pm Uncle Michael: Marie! thanks!
	♥ 1:37pm Uncle Michael: BiUK!
	1:37pm Listener Robert: If they'd had ethics review at the time and heard that, yes, I think they'd've pulled back. Otherwise, what's the use of having an IRB now?
	🛒 ♥ 1:37pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Brian! Have never seen that before!
	🛒 ♥ 1:37pm spodiodi: this song is fun
	♥ 1:38pm Uncle Michael: I'm getting the fun out of my system.
	1:39pm Listener Robert: No! Please save some fun for the future!
	♥ 1:39pm Uncle Michael: "please dance on my sombrero" is a well-known euphamism
	1:39pm prudy: UM: I think the goal should be NEVER getting the fun out of your system!
	🛒 ♥ 1:40pm spodiodi: what on earth does it mean?!
	♥ 1:40pm Spinning Giant: ah damn! yes she is!
	1:40pm prudy: NOW you're talkin!
	🛒 ♥ 1:40pm Asheville Jon: this show is making my wacky-meter peg out!
	🛒 ♥ 1:40pm spodiodi: i was going to say something like that, Listener Robert (please do, UM!)
	1:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Where is the immoral Coercion in regards to the Covid-19 vaccines? (Or for that matter - other vaccinations such as that for Polio &tc.) I see it from completely the other way down the telescope: The Classism & Racism are in who is not getting the Vaccine, & for that matter the Boosters. Which is very very stupid in a lethal contagion you do not want to spread & also therefore mutate. & frankly - an Evil would be not only not doing your part in that by Vaccinating - but by spreading Disinformation about the effectiveness & indeed necessity of the Vaccines.
	♥ 1:41pm Uncle Michael: Jon!
	♥ 1:41pm Spinning Giant: there was an amazing funk/soul cover band in Ottawa when I was in university called "The Hammerheads", and damn they could rock this song (among others)...good times....
	🛒 ♥ 1:41pm adamdoesit: Catching up on the serious discussion. The things I miss when I've got my head down in a psychosexual literature review. Jeff G, in support of your point, it bears repeating that the cruelty of Tuskeegee was exhibited not in what was given, but what was withheld. spodi, hi!
	♥ 1:41pm Uncle Michael: shake a cow...shake a cow now
	🛒 ♥ 1:41pm spodiodi: hear, hear RRN63
	🛒 ♥ 1:42pm Asheville Jon: UM!!!
	♥ 1:42pm Spinning Giant: already at it, @UM! ;P
	🛒 ♥ 1:42pm spodiodi: aloha, adamdoesit!
	♥ 1:42pm Spinning Giant: curdle that milk
	1:42pm dan: Lionel Richie at his funkiest before he became silky smooth
	🛒 ♥ 1:42pm βrian: This reminds me of long-ago pleasant and illicit activities in Flint, Michigan.
	🛒 ♥ 1:43pm βrian: (The Commodores)
	🛒 ♥ 1:43pm Asheville Jon: wow, looking back at the playlist, really sad i missed head, hands & feet! haven't heard them forever!
	♥ 1:43pm Spinning Giant: @Brian - that sounds like loads of fun! :D
	♥ 1:44pm Uncle Michael: @Jon, maybe you wouldn't like 'em!
	🛒 ♥ 1:44pm Jeff Golick: This Trammps production sounds kinda advanced (in the disco sense) for 1972?
	♥ 1:44pm TDK60: I don't talk much about vaccines, except to say: waive those patents friggin' Big Pharma & Rich Countries!; let's get the whole wide Woild shots.
	🛒 ♥ 1:44pm Asheville Jon: i liked them in the past, why not now?
	♥ 1:44pm Uncle Michael: you callin' me a bad fact checker??!
	🛒 ♥ 1:45pm Jeff Golick: No! I think I'm calling Trammps geniuses?
	♥ 1:46pm Uncle Michael: Nice save.
	🛒 ♥ 1:47pm Phillippe: Just watched the Sparks Brother doc. A good watch.
	1:47pm Andres: From my fave Sparks album!
	♥ 1:47pm StringOFperils: Yay! #1
	♥ 1:47pm Uncle Michael: Andres!
	♥ 1:48pm Rich in Washington: cranking this up while I fry up some potatoes o'brien.
	♥ 1:48pm Spinning Giant: Hey Hey @Andres! What's cooking, brother...?
	🛒 ♥ 1:48pm The Oscar: Mornin'! My partner and I discussed doing a Sparks couples costume for Halloween this year, but then we realized if she went home early I'd just look like Hitler.
	♥ 1:48pm Rich in Washington: anybody see the Weird Al Sparks cover? It's pretty funny, even if you're not a fan of Ol' Al.
	🛒 ♥ 1:49pm The Oscar: (And by "mornin" I of course mean "afternoon")
	🛒 ♥ 1:49pm doctorjazz: Somehow missed sparks in my listening.
	1:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...yerknow - 400+million Covid vax doses have been given in the USA alone (...tho the USA is not alone in this @ all...) I think we can stop calling it an 'Experiment' - Tuskogee-stylee or otherwise...
	1:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oscar haha ! Keyboard might help...
	🛒 ♥ 1:50pm sinner: @Lane: someone mentioned crawfish pie in an earlier post--which I can't find now. I was just wondering what the original reference was.
	♥ 1:50pm Uncle Michael: Oscar! Weird Al killed it.
	1:50pm Andres: Hey, Spinning Giant! All is well here. I hear word that we can look forward to another Kazoo Fest soonish!
	🛒 ♥ 1:51pm βrian: Waiting with bated breath for Little Human to get her first jab on Monday.
	♥ 1:51pm StringOFperils: I think Ron Mael wrote 'crawfish pie, me-O-my..', in 1967, pre-Half Nelson. Sparks' earliest efforts.
	♥ 1:52pm Rich in Washington: trying to learn to flip-toss using my nearly 7 pound iron skillet. Dang.
	🛒 ♥ 1:52pm Jeff Golick: Tabs I just closed: "Tuskegee syphilis study"; "Eric Habsbawm interview"; "HPV vaccine cutting cervical cancer" -- strange but great show today, @UM.
	♥ 1:52pm Uncle Michael: Rich, Lisa Douglas can show you how to flop hots cakes.
	🛒 ♥ 1:54pm spodiodi: thanks for another great show, UM! to the music! cheerio, all
	♥ 1:54pm SmirkOFbemusement: Metastasizing my musical horizons. Jah praise.
	♥ 1:54pm Spinning Giant: @Andres - that is good news! I hadn't heard that - I know the jazzfest is ramping back up shortly too - just not sure i can deal with masking up for the indoor shows (asthma) - but i might check out any outdoor stuff (if there is any)...
	♥ 1:55pm Uncle Michael: There's still another hour....I think.
	🛒 ♥ 1:55pm doctorjazz: Toots!!! (anyther fave! Got to see him in Jamaica, very lucky)
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm Jeff Golick: Well, according to your playlist, @UM, you played "Albatross" already, so we're technically in overtime.
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm spodiodi: oh! sweet! (i can sure be scattered.) i take it back. real thanks will come at the end :-B
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm Phillippe: welcome back, spodi!
	1:56pm Andres: Spinning Giant, lets hope for Hillside come summertime.
	♥ 1:56pm TDK60: I haven't heard this Toots song in ages.
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm spodiodi: been fighting with cheap network hardware and lost track of time
	🛒 ♥ 1:57pm βrian: @Rich: I have an old pair of #12 cast-iron skillets if you want to practice with those.
	🛒 ♥ 1:57pm spodiodi: hah, thanks, Phillippe! good to be back
	♥ 1:58pm StringOFperils: Every time you fix your local area network, an angel gets its wings.
	🛒 ♥ 1:59pm spodiodi: 256 comments so far, before this one
	♥ 2:00pm Rich in Washington: I got a #12 before I was fully ready to master cooking on iron and I screwed it up and ended up giving it away. But man, once I figured it out, there's no going back.
	🛒 ♥ 2:01pm spodiodi: ;-B
	🛒 ♥ 2:01pm βrian: Skillet skillz, don't you know.
	♥ 2:03pm StringOFperils: Something tells me the appearance of 'fun' will be negligible in this set.
	♥ 2:04pm Uncle Michael: This is a masterpiece and a tough listen.
	2:04pm dan: Sad Song has that Philip Glass style arpeggio string accompaniment
	🛒 ♥ 2:05pm Phillippe: after a lifetime of cooking on gas, we switched to an induction cooktop due to a lack of availability of gas in our neighborhood and the number of hoops that had to be gone through to get a permit for a propane tank in a critical zone. We can only use cookware with a high iron content, either cast iron or "real" stainless steel. Loving the cast iron, but damn it gets heavy when you're cooking for 10
	♥ 2:05pm Uncle Michael: I'm getting ready to switch to induction.
	♥ 2:06pm Uncle Michael: How's the learning curve been for you, Phillippe?
	♥ 2:06pm StringOFperils: @dan @ 2:04> That's interesting because those two musics were developing within blocks of each other at the same time.
	🛒 ♥ 2:06pm Alvy Singer: Hi Uncle Michael- Berlin is a film for the ears.
	♥ 2:06pm Uncle Michael: Alvy! Yeah, a dark film.
	🛒 ♥ 2:08pm βrian: I have induction and gas side-by-side. Love them both, but if you want to really blast something with heat, this induction top will incinerate!
	♥ 2:08pm StringOFperils: Total induction, in 5..4..3..2..
	🛒 ♥ 2:09pm Phillippe: Burnt stuff for 6 months or so. We also had to learn to prep everything before cooking, as stuff heats up quickly. And don't walk away from the stove when you're boiling water because it will boil over in a blink of an eye. But you do get a much more predictable heat, because "off" really is "off"
	🛒 ♥ 2:09pm βrian: Some of my favorite pans won't work on the induction, sadly, and I refuse to part with them.
	2:09pm dan: @Stringofperils I never knew that, but I'm not entirely surprised. Reed and Glass probably ran in the same circles.
	🛒 ♥ 2:09pm Alvy Singer: @Uncle Michael-And to think that Berlin was going to be a double album.
	♥ 2:10pm Spinning Giant: stop it now, @UM Joy Division - you're killing me (in the absolute perfect way that I want to be killed, I mean)...
	♥ 2:11pm Rich in Washington: I really dug Creamo Coyle's all Joy Division show a couple of weeks ago.
	♥ 2:11pm Uncle Michael: Yeah, I expect some catastrophes during the learning period.
	♥ 2:11pm Spinning Giant: @Andres - we can pray!
	2:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ian Curtis as Singer.
	♥ 2:11pm Rich in Washington: I'm scared of induction ranges. I can see me or someone in the household cracking that surface.
	🛒 ♥ 2:12pm Phillippe: @βrian we did the thrift store route for much of our induction cookware and have been happy with our mismatched stuff. (well, we got to thrift stores for pretty much everything, so no surprise there...) I do get some funny looks from pressing the magnetic clasp on the sides of pots and pans to make sure they'll work
	2:13pm Andres: Rich: Yes. Plenty of cast iron pans and dutch ovens have slipped out of my hands.
	🛒 ♥ 2:13pm Phillippe: If you get one, be sure to get one that has the metal bevel on the front edge -- supposedly keeps you from chipping the front of the top
	🛒 ♥ 2:14pm Phillippe: *metal clasp on my phone case
	🛒 ♥ 2:14pm βrian: I've really walloped my cooktop a few times, to no ill effect. Someone somewhere posted a video of a bowling ball dropping on one. I've not been tempted to try that myself.
	♥ 2:14pm Uncle Michael: I don't think ours has a bevel. It does have the built in Hestan Cue tech and can communicate with their smart pots and accessories. Sous Vide, check.
	🛒 ♥ 2:14pm dutchtheo: Happy friday, Unk, and the joy division!
	♥ 2:15pm Uncle Michael: Theo!
	🛒 ♥ 2:15pm βrian: I'd recommend getting one that requires 220V.
	♥ 2:15pm Rich in Washington: I really, REALLY want a dutch oven but every time I see one used, they've got those tripod legs and homie don't need that.
	🛒 ♥ 2:16pm Jeff Golick: Crocus at his Crocus-iest.
	♥ 2:16pm Uncle Michael: I've never seen legs on a dutch oven.
	♥ 2:16pm StringOFperils: @Dan@ 2:09 > Philip Glass was pretty busy studying, and driving a New York cab to pay the bills. Plus he studied with Nadia Boulanger, and Ravi Shankar. The midtown gay drug-addict scene probably wasn't on his radar so much. He DID move in the same circles as artist, Chuck Close, whose huge hyper-realist portrait of Glass is one of the first places I ever saw a picture of him....this is like in the 1970s, for context > whitney.org...
	♥ 2:16pm Michael 98145: now we dance
	🛒 ♥ 2:16pm Phillippe: They make portable single burner units that are very inexpensive (well under $100)if you want to try before you take the plunge. That's what we did. We use it outside now when we want cook a large amount of stuff, like steaming crabs
	♥ 2:16pm Uncle Michael: Michael!
	🛒 ♥ 2:17pm βrian: @Rich: I found my #8 dutch oven in an abandoned hunting camp in Vermont. It was a lot of work to restore it, but it's a lovely workhorse.
	2:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: PBS had a loong Phillip Glass episode on AmericanMasters. Very good I thot - tho' compared to what I wouldn't know.
	🛒 ♥ 2:18pm Phillippe: @Rich in Washington one of the holy grails of thrifting is a Le Crueset dutch oven. That, the Kitchen Aid stand mixer, and a Herman Miller office chair are considered gold
	🛒 ♥ 2:19pm Cmurtha: Rich - any reason why you want to get a used one? I know its cheaper, but a new lodge or similar pot will last you forever. And prepping them isn't as bad as some people say. You can even get some products made for finishing. Of course, oil works fine, but smokes up your apartment/house like a mofo if you go that route.
	2:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 1973 ! HolyStank Death were awesome.
	♥ 2:20pm TDK60: Love this Faces LP.
	🛒 ♥ 2:20pm Phillippe: I think TJ Maxx carries a lot of discounted Lodge, including enameled dutch ovens
	🛒 ♥ 2:21pm adamdoesit: I'm still baking bread in the $20 Lodge dutch oven I got 20 years ago. Amortized pretty well, I'd say… Prefer my enamel stuff for cookin with likkwids tho.
	♥ 2:21pm Uncle Michael: We have an old Belgian imitation Le Crueset that my wife bought decades ago. I love that thing.
	🛒 ♥ 2:21pm βrian: If I got a new one, I'd take it to a machinist to have the surface smoothed. The ones I've seen are damn near lumpy.
	🛒 ♥ 2:21pm Cmurtha: I think Steelcase makes a better chair than herman miller, but let it be known that buying a high end desk chair is something I strongly recommend to everyone. Very much worth it.
	♥ 2:22pm Uncle Michael: Next week I'm going to sit in an Eames chair to see if I like it well enough to buy a cheap knockoff.
	♥ 2:22pm Uncle Michael: Speaking of Herman Miller...
	🛒 ♥ 2:23pm adamdoesit: Is there a consensus on the best way to strip old, broken-down seasoning from plain cast iron, prior to rebaconification?
	♥ 2:23pm TDK60: Good tunes. Thanks UM. I must away..
	🛒 ♥ 2:23pm Phillippe: Cmurtha I'm in need of a new chair and the Herman Miller has not made it my way yet, I'll have to add Steelcase to the list. Our local Habitat Restore has had a LOT of nice furniture lately
	2:23pm prudy: I don't sit anymore to work...but standing too long in one place has its drawbacks also...aging...sigh...
	♥ 2:24pm Uncle Michael: see ya, TDK!
	🛒 ♥ 2:24pm Jeff Golick: Those desk chairs are priced for corporations, alas, as I discovered when looking for one for the home (Covid) office with the $300-odd my company was providing...
	🛒 ♥ 2:24pm Cmurtha: I got mine from a refurbisher of office furniture, and I love it. Heres hoping you find one!
	🛒 ♥ 2:24pm βrian: I've used old-fashioned oven cleaner to strip seasoning. And I've used the oven cleaning cycle. I think I prefer the former, since it's easier to oversee.
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Cmurtha: Jeff - there are places that sell them used/refurbished both online and in person. If you don't mind a scuff, or some minor fault it really drops the price. I know it may seem iffy to buy a used high-end chair, but those 300-500 dollar chairs are meant to last decades.
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Cmurtha: 300-500 dollar + I meant
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Phillippe: @adfamdoesit I have this bookmarked for some reason... Not sure if its helpful www.cnn.com...
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Jeff Golick: @UM: we got a Dutch oven for a wedding present that was some kind of Le Crueset knock-off with no evident branding; my wife has tried to no avail to discover its provenance. It's been great.
	♥ 2:27pm StringOFperils: The Eames recliner and Ottoman have a considerable footprint. They're good in a big room.
	🛒 ♥ 2:27pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Cmurtha. I have no problem with refurbished chairs, and wish I had thought of that route when shopping!
	🛒 ♥ 2:28pm doctorjazz: Love this ELO (there was an episode of Doctor Who based on this song
	🛒 ♥ 2:28pm βrian: Le Creuset's are made in China nowadays, aren't they?
	🛒 ♥ 2:29pm βrian: [Bad apostrophe!]
	🛒 ♥ 2:30pm Cmurtha: Brian - internet says they make the cast iron still in France, steel in Europe, but some of their other stuff in China. The abundance of the other stuff being sold on ali-baba very cheap seems to confirm that.
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm Jeff Golick: So that Joy Division record is not a nod to 1979 Fireman of the Year, Mike Marshall?
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm adamdoesit: βrian, good tip, thanks. Phillippe, I agree with Gritzer's dismissal of the soap heresy! My recent Creuset was made in France. Ditto the Fontignacs that I picked up at a sample sale -- a fraction of the price, and every bit as nice.
	2:31pm dan: I will never forgive my 10 year old self for not liking ELO. Now they're in the top tier of my favorite bands.
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm Hopey Sockmonkey: I got a refurbished SteelCase chair from Woot last year and I'm liking it better than the new one I have here in the office. It was ~$230.
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm spodiodi: sitting on the chair i took when i left my last gig. it's great. it's great. "It's your duty as an oppressed worker to steal from your exploiters" -- John S. Hall
	🛒 ♥ 2:33pm Phillippe: I found a few nicely made enameled pieces from Copco at Goodwill. Danish company
	2:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: That ELO is the JeffLynne Production Thang where it belongs.
	♥ 2:37pm Uncle Michael: I still haven't mentioned that I will be on from 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM next Friday.
	🛒 ♥ 2:37pm adamdoesit: Hinky Dinky Doubletime!
	🛒 ♥ 2:37pm doctorjazz: That's a whole lotta Hink and Dink!
	2:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Six Hours !
	🛒 ♥ 2:39pm spodiodi: Double the Dink 🎉🥳
	♥ 2:39pm Rich in Washington: Nice! That's swell! Can't wait.
	♥ 2:39pm Uncle Michael: And there's only nine more weeks until the all-request show!
	♥ 2:39pm Rich in Washington: Will you sing You'll Never Walk Alone as a finale, Michael?
	♥ 2:40pm Uncle Michael: If I ever break the GTDR record, I promise to.
	♥ 2:41pm Rich in Washington: Oh! What IS the record?
	🛒 ♥ 2:41pm adamdoesit: Fuuuuuuuuuuuu… uh I got kind of a lot to get done before that show rolls around. Maybe I shouldn't spend Fridays listening to the radio? Nah.
	🛒 ♥ 2:41pm spodiodi: i think 8?
	♥ 2:41pm Rich in Washington: who was it, spodi? Do you remember?
	♥ 2:42pm Uncle Michael: Kurt Gottchalk did a death tribute that I believe holds the record. Prince, maybe?
	🛒 ♥ 2:42pm Phillippe: Total non sequitur here, but I just stepped outside and there is now a random golf club head cover sitting in the garden just outside the door. Not one I've ever seen before
	🛒 ♥ 2:42pm spodiodi: i don't. i know Julie's done 7. i think maybe there are more than one, Rich.
	♥ 2:42pm Uncle Michael: Not one of your regular golf club head covers?
	2:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...glad somebody in the USA picked up on the PrettyThings...
	2:42pm dan: Sounds like Not Fade Away turned inside out.
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm Phillippe: Nope
	♥ 2:43pm StringOFperils: You're supposed to take those covers off when you tee off.
	♥ 2:43pm Uncle Michael: I've done seven a couple of times.
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm spodiodi: just have 8 stuck in my head for whatever reason. already looking to be untrue
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm doctorjazz: Did I miss the message about submitting requests? (time to start anxious obsessing)?
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm Phillippe: I'm wondering if a neighbor dog brought it by
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm spodiodi: i'm already there, doc! indeed
	🛒 ♥ 2:44pm doctorjazz: dan @2:42, with a bit of Who Do You Love mixed in
	♥ 2:44pm Rich in Washington: my personal record was 8 hours on KBOO: I did my show, then the next host came in complaining of horrible stomach flu, so laid on the studio sofa while I did his show, then the next host just flaked and never showed. I improvised a five hour mix using a Philip K. Dick book on tape and ambient music. I think I put all of Portland to sleep.
	♥ 2:44pm StringOFperils: Hoo boy. 9 til 3 is a lot of radio.
	2:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 85% PrettyThings, 15% Jagger~Stones...
	🛒 ♥ 2:45pm Phillippe: Well, I'm gonna put in my request now: Freebird
	♥ 2:45pm Rich in Washington: Caravan with a drum solo!
	🛒 ♥ 2:45pm doctorjazz: no Whipping Post requests?
	♥ 2:45pm Sweet Corn Lizzie: We had an Eames lounge chair and hassock knockoff that I got at a garage sale, Plycraft brand. Apparently made in the 60s and collectible, but not as expensive as vintage Eames. Gave it to friends because neither of us sat in it much. Very hard to get out of, just like the Eames!
	2:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Rich on WA - love that kinda Creativity in Broadcasting.
	🛒 ♥ 2:46pm spodiodi: i just tried to request the song i requested last year (here) on another program, (sunday night/mon morn), but was denied :\| ... so, i'm extra-stoked for another chance here!
	2:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *IN Wa
	♥ 2:46pm Uncle Michael: I need to see if the Eames feels like a teevee watching chair.
	♥ 2:48pm Uncle Michael: Doc, it's way too early to start obsessing.
	🛒 ♥ 2:48pm doctorjazz: I thought Beatles/Abby Road with that drum intro... (it's NEVER too early to start obsessing...)
	♥ 2:49pm Uncle Michael: I meant it's way too late to stop obsessing.
	🛒 ♥ 2:50pm Cmurtha: Speaking of Freebird, Will to Power's mash-up of it and Baby I love your ways never fails to hit like a chair to the back of the head for those unprepared. Love to play that song without telling people that it will turn into Freebird. Always gets a good reaction.
	♥ 2:50pm Uncle Michael: This is amazing for 1970....which is why it might have been an unreleased demo.
	♥ 2:50pm StringOFperils: DJ this show from deep in the the Eames recliner, UM. I can see the closely-cropped Prisoner camera shot now. "Who is no. 1?! Hinky-Dinky Time is no. 1, YOU are no. 6."
	♥ 2:51pm Uncle Michael: I am a free bird!
	♥ 2:52pm StringOFperils: Nicely done.
	🛒 ♥ 2:52pm spodiodi: ⛄
	🛒 ♥ 2:52pm doctorjazz: Like this Reed/Dylan, great cover! Almost the end, great show, UM!
	🛒 ♥ 2:53pm spodiodi: indeed, SOp/ UM. slick
	🛒 ♥ 2:54pm Phillippe: Updating spodi's comment count, looks like 383 now. Let's go for 400, dammit!
	🛒 ♥ 2:54pm Jeff Golick: Jerry takin' some liberties!
	🛒 ♥ 2:54pm spodiodi: 386 before this one,Phillippe
	2:55pm prudy: wow..it's the end of the program...thanks so much UM...
	🛒 ♥ 2:55pm unpopularfred: Ever seen the video where Robbie Foulks does "Walk on the Wild Side" in the style of Jerry Reed? you should
	2:55pm KWilde: Classic HDT feature!
	2:55pm dan: Great show UM.
	🛒 ♥ 2:55pm Phillippe: Thanks spodi! a couple rang in while I was typing I think
	♥ 2:55pm Uncle Michael: Thank you all for spending time listening to vaccines with me!
	♥ 2:56pm MHLee: I've been here for the last hour... love it
	♥ 2:56pm Uncle Michael: MHLee!
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm doctorjazz: Another cool cover, time to being back Last Thing for the end of the show?
	♥ 2:56pm StringOFperils: We put the needle on the record.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm adamdoesit: Needles ain't just for Singles Going Steady week! Fine show today, UM. Thanks for keeping my afternoon grooving, stomping, boogieing, bluesing, and all the rest.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm spodiodi: Genuine Thanks, Uncle Michael! ✌️ hippies 🕊️
	♥ 2:56pm Rich in Washington: Thanks for the big mood booster shot today, Uncle Michael! Your show is always a joy.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm Phillippe: Yet you didn't play anything from The Vaccines. Opportunity lost...
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm Alvy Singer: The epitome of free form radio. Thanks Uncle Michael.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm Cmurtha: Great show UM! Thank you
	🛒 ♥ 2:57pm doctorjazz: (sorry for dragging out that vaccine thread...) Catch y'all later!
	2:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...always a Topeaka Experience... ~ TY DJ UM ~
	♥ 2:57pm Uncle Michael: You're all very kind. Thanks. See you next Friday....EARLY!
	🛒 ♥ 2:57pm Phillippe: Thanks for the great show, UM! Bye everyone, have a great weekend!
	♥ 2:57pm Rich in Washington: wonder how many 'shot' related songs there are. Double Shot of My Baby's Love is the only one that springs to mind.
	♥ 2:58pm MHLee: Used to preform bluegrass so this is nostalgic
	🛒 ♥ 2:58pm dutchtheo: Thanks, Uncle Michael! Hooray for the dutch oven!
	♥ 2:58pm StringOFperils: Great googly moogly, UM! Thanks!
	🛒 ♥ 3:01pm Jeff Golick: Ta!
	♥ 3:03pm Spinning Giant: great stuff as always Brother Michael & gang - a bientot!
	♥ 3:03pm Rich in Washington: Bye, UM!
	♥ 3:03pm Uncle Michael: poof
	3:03pm Listening Out There: Six hours? Double your pleasure, double your fun...
	3:04pm Listener Robert: Bye-bye.

Hinky Dinky Time with Uncle Michael: Playlist from November 5, 2021

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Turning over the toy box and jamming together the gloriously mismatched musical Lincoln Logs, Legos and Tinker Toys from Tin Pan Alley pluggers, pickled egg tavern weepers, lockstep soul ensembles, skinny-tie power poppers, Eurotrash ravers, moontanned art school rockers, drunken soccer anthems and anything else that seems like a good idea at the time. There are no guilty pleasures.

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November 5, 2021: Show #418: "Moist."

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Uncle Michael	Hinky Dinky Time Open
Freddie Redd Quintet	Shadows "Shadows" by "Freddie Redd Quintet"	Shades Of Redd	Blue Note	1961	Blue Note The Definitive 45 RPM Reissue Series	0:03:04 (Pop-up)
Vladimir Cosma with Wilhelmenia Wiggins Fernandez	Aria From "La Wally"	Diva (Original Soundtrack Recording)	DRG	1982		0:10:30 (Pop-up)
Strawbs	Is It Today Lord "Is It Today Lord" by "Strawbs"	Grave New World	A&M	1972		0:13:58 (Pop-up)
Jefferson Airplane	We Can Be Together/Volunteers	The Worst of the Jefferson Airplane	RCA	1970		0:17:53 (Pop-up)
Frank Sinatra	Sabia "Sabia" by "Frank Sinatra"	Schlagers!	Warner Bros.	1970		0:25:34 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Orgone	Powerfeed "Powerfeed" by "Orgone"	New You, Part 1	Regime Management	2013		0:29:22 (Pop-up)

Timmy Thomas	In the Beginning "In the Beginning" by "Timmy Thomas"	Why Can't We Live Together	Glades	1972		0:34:21 (Pop-up)
Head Hands & Feet	(Let's Get This) Show On The Road	Tracks	Island	1972		0:37:18 (Pop-up)
The Five Bars	I'm All Dressed Up with a Broken Heart	shellac 10" (b/w To Make A Long Story Shorter)	Bullet	1947	(From: The Bullet Records Story)	0:41:02 (Pop-up)
The Meters	Same Old Thing "Same Old Thing" by "The Meters"	Struttin'	Josie	1970	(From: Here Comes The Meter Man: The Complete Josie Recordings 1968-1970)	0:43:37 (Pop-up)
Manfred Mann	Tired Of Trying, Bored With Lying, Scared Of Dying	No Living Without Loving	His Master's Voice	1965	(From: Manfred Mann EP Collection)	0:46:15 (Pop-up)
Fanny	Sound and the Fury "Sound and the Fury" by "Fanny"	Fanny Hill	Reprise	1972	(From: First Time In A Long Time (Limited Edition Box Set))	0:48:46 (Pop-up)
Tom Petty	You Wreck Me "You Wreck Me" by "Tom Petty"	Wildflowers	Warner Bros.	1994		0:51:49 (Pop-up)
Motörhead	Life's A Bitch "Life's A Bitch" by "Motörhead"	Inferno	Steamhammer	2004		0:54:59 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Juaneco y Su Combo	Caballito Nocturno	single (b/w Me Voy Pa' Trompeteros)	Imsa	1969	(From: Masters of Chicha Vol. 1)	0:59:08 (Pop-up)

Django Reinhardt	Paramount Stomp "Paramount Stomp" by "Django Reinhardt"	shellac 10" (b-side to Swinging With Django)	Swing	1937	(From: Sultan Of Swing)	1:04:35 (Pop-up)
Hermann Skibbe	Sabdap (Grammophon Version)	Selected Sound SEL 5087 - Comedy Short Cuts	Selected Sound	1991		1:06:59 (Pop-up)
Charanjit Singh	Raga Kalavati "Raga Kalavati" by "Charanjit Singh"	Ten Ragas To a Disco Beat	His Master's Voice	1983		1:07:58 (Pop-up)
R.D. Burman	Ek Bottle Ho Bagal Main Title	unk.	unk.	unk.	(From: Bombshell Baby of Bombay: Bombay Conection Vol. 2 - Bouncin' Nightclub Grooves From Bollywood Films 1959-1972)	1:12:55 (Pop-up)
Gétatchèw Mèkurya, The Ex & Friends	Aha Gedawo Y'Anbessaw	Tezeta	Terp	2012		1:17:48 (Pop-up)
Mexican Institute Of Sound	Es-Toy	Político	Nacional	2012		1:22:45 (Pop-up)
John Cameron / Alan Parker	Afro Metropolis	Afro Rock	KPM	1973		1:25:58 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Fleetwood Mac	Evenin' Boogie "Evenin' Boogie" by "Fleetwood Mac"	English Rose	Epic	1969		2:52:37 (Pop-up)

Elvis Presley	Blue Moon "Blue Moon" by "Elvis Presley"	Elvis Presley	RCA Victor	1956	(From: Mystery Train - OST)	1:33:06 (Pop-up)
Lee Lawrence	Mi Muchacha (Little Girl)	shellac 10" (b-side to Suddenly There's A Valley)	Columbia	1955	(From: The Very Best of Lee Lawrence (EMI 7243 582041 2 4))	1:35:32 (Pop-up)
Commodores	Brick House "Brick House" by "Commodores"	Commodores	Motown	1977	(From: The Commodores Hits, Vol. 1)	1:38:32 (Pop-up)
Trammps	Penguin At The Big Apple "Penguin At The Big Apple" by "Trammps"	single (b-side to Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart)	Buddah	1972		1:41:36 (Pop-up)
Sparks	The Number One Song In Heaven	single (b/w The Number One Song In Heaven (Long Version))	Virgin	1979		1:44:50 (Pop-up)
Mike Finnigan	Everything Will Work Out Right	Mike Finnigan	Warner Bros.	1976		1:48:44 (Pop-up)
Toots & The Maytals	Chatty, Chatty	single (b/w Turn It Up)	Island	1980	(From: Time Tough: The Anthology)	1:53:11 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Werner Tautz	Little Dick "Little Dick" by "Werner Tautz"	Brassy-Bright And Bright-Brassy	Harmonic	1976		1:57:10 (Pop-up)

Lou Reed	Sad Song "Sad Song" by "Lou Reed"	Berlin	RCA Victor	1972		2:01:25 (Pop-up)
Joy Division	Atrocity Exhibition "Atrocity Exhibition" by "Joy Division"	Closer	Factory	1980	(From: Heart And Soul)	2:08:13 (Pop-up)
Pere Ubu	Life Stinks "Life Stinks" by "Pere Ubu"	The Modern Dance	Blank	1978		2:14:14 (Pop-up)
Death	Rock-n-Roll Victim "Rock-n-Roll Victim" by "Death"	For the Whole World to See (2008)	prev. unr.	1973		2:16:00 (Pop-up)
Faces	Wicked Messenger "Wicked Messenger" by "Faces"	The First Step	Warner Bros.	1970	(From: [1970-1975] You Can Make Me Dance, Sing Or Anything...)	2:18:35 (Pop-up)
Electric Light Orchestra	Turn To Stone	Out Of The Blue	Jet	1977		2:22:35 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sam Ku West	Farewell Blues "Farewell Blues" by "Sam Ku West"	shellac 10" (b/w Hawaiian Hula Blues)	Banner	1927	(From: Steelin' It - The Steel Guitar Story)	2:26:13 (Pop-up)

Mr. Science	At Home With Mr Science	Series 02	96x	1979-83		2:50:57 (Pop-up)
Roshell Anderson	Know What You're Doing When You Leave	Introducing Roshell Anderson	Sunburst Records Ltd.	1974		2:34:27 (Pop-up)
Chocolate Watch Band	Gone And Passes By	No Way Out	Tower	1967	(From: Melts In Your Brain...Not On Your Wrist: The Complete Recordings 1965-1967)	2:40:04 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Martin & The Sunny Mountain Boys	Drink Up and Go Home	Country Music Time	Decca	1962	(From: Jimmy Martin & The Sunny Mountain Boys 1961-1962 Chronological Classics )	2:43:09 (Pop-up)
Space Opera	Journey's End (demo) "Journey's End (demo)" by "Space Opera"	The Exit 4 Demos	n/a	1970	(From: Safe at Home)	2:45:44 (Pop-up)
Jerry Reed	Don't Think Twice It's All Right	When You're Hot, You're Hot	RCA Victor	1971		2:50:46 (Pop-up)
Earl Scruggs & The Earl Scruggs Revue	The Last Thing on My Mind	Earl Scruggs Performing With His Family And Friends	Columbia	1972	(From: Earl Scruggs 1969-1971 Chronological Classics )	2:53:23 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Fleetwood Mac	Albatross "Albatross" by "Fleetwood Mac"	single (b/w Jigsaw Puzzle Blues)	Blue Horizon	1968		2:57:03 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 12:01pm Spinning Giant: Hey-ho H-D-T-ers! Bonjour @UM! :D
	12:01pm dan: Good afternoon
	♥ 12:01pm Uncle Michael: SG!
	🛒 ♥ 12:02pm doctorjazz: Hello Hinkers and Dinkers!
	♥ 12:02pm Doug Schulkind: Never in my life. NEVER.
	🛒 ♥ 12:02pm listener james from westwood: Good Friday, UM and all!
	🛒 ♥ 12:02pm unpopularfred: Howdy
	12:02pm prudy: hello all...
	♥ 12:02pm Franco Twinkie: Morning Michael.
	🛒 ♥ 12:03pm Hopey Sockmonkey: Good day UM and Dinks!
	♥ 12:03pm Franco Twinkie: Hopey, nice to see you.
	♥ 12:04pm Uncle Michael: dan! Doc! Doug! James! fred! prudy! Franco! Hopey!
	🛒 ♥ 12:05pm spodiodi: good morning, Uncle Michael and all!
	♥ 12:05pm Uncle Michael: spodi!
	12:05pm Mr C: Playing Freddie Redd! Gearing up for next weeks subbing on GTDS..
	♥ 12:06pm Franco Twinkie: Today is Sam Shepards birthday. R.I P.
	♥ 12:06pm Uncle Michael: Mr. C!
	♥ 12:06pm Uncle Michael: You gonna fill in for me, Mr. C?
	12:07pm Mr C: I wish i could brother..
	12:09pm KWilde: Good afternoon!
	♥ 12:10pm Uncle Michael: KWilde!
	12:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Beautiful Beautiful BlueNote
	♥ 12:10pm Uncle Michael: Rev!
	🛒 ♥ 12:10pm doctorjazz: Another fine Blue Note 45 RPM disc-you hit the jackpot with that subscription (jealous...)
	🛒 ♥ 12:11pm Hopey Sockmonkey: Hey, Franco! I don't get to hang out much in chat now that I'm back to working on campus
	♥ 12:12pm Rich in Washington: Greetings, Uncle Michael! Hello everyone!
	12:12pm Listening Out There: The moped chase in "Diva"...
	12:12pm dan: This is a first, an opera aria on Hinky Dinky Time.
	🛒 ♥ 12:12pm adamdoesit: Hello UM, Haitches and Dees. Boy, that new opera show came together quickly.
	12:13pm Listening Out There: What aria gonna play next, UM?
	♥ 12:13pm Uncle Michael: LOT! adam! Yep...I'm on the case! None!
	♥ 12:13pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Uncle Michael! ... better not tell Wilhelmina you're playing a recording of her!
	12:13pm dan: This needs a segue into Rockaria
	12:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bel Canto one of my 'taste barriers' waiting to be knocked down (tho I love Classtical Musics awlready)...
	♥ 12:14pm TDK60: What's shakin' DJ UM?!
	12:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...yerknow, undeniable...
	🛒 ♥ 12:15pm Cmurtha: Hello UM/ Everyone!
	♥ 12:15pm Webhamster Henry: There is also East Village Opera Company en.wikipedia.org...
	♥ 12:16pm Franco Twinkie: Campus?
	♥ 12:17pm Uncle Michael: Henry! TDK! Cmurtha! Oops.
	🛒 ♥ 12:17pm βrian: I've been on campus twice over that past 18 months. Seems like a different world.
	♥ 12:17pm Uncle Michael: Brian!
	12:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Seems I adore every one of these British FolkRawk bands.
	♥ 12:19pm TDK60: Revrab: just be careful; don't be lead to any wicker.
	♥ 12:19pm Franco Twinkie: Up against the wall!
	🛒 ♥ 12:20pm doctorjazz: @Franco, you beat me by about a minute! Boy, stuff has changed...
	♥ 12:20pm Pauly from Clifton: Hey Uncle Michael, folks!
	♥ 12:20pm TDK60: I saw this combo during that tour. What'd you just say Franco? Docjazz: not quite enough.
	🛒 ♥ 12:20pm βrian: No ochre suit today, UM?
	♥ 12:20pm Franco Twinkie: Fists in the air Doc!
	♥ 12:21pm Uncle Michael: Pauly!
	🛒 ♥ 12:23pm doctorjazz: Hands in the air these days are likely to be a Nazi salute, sigh...
	12:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TDK60 if BrittEkland is involved all bets are off.
	12:23pm prudy: interesting to think about this song in this age of vigilantism...
	🛒 ♥ 12:25pm doctorjazz: They got the guns, we got the numbers-think that'll help?
	12:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There's more of us. Our resistance to goose-stepping just makes it seem otherwise. ...Tho' I fear this same Boomer arrogance has all too often become channelled into AntiVaxxing & all manner of Libertarian temper tantrums...
	♥ 12:26pm Franco Twinkie: It's true, the ethos of The Airplane is long gone, but some of us remember the vibe only to well.
	12:27pm prudy: Rev Rab: yep...agreed...
	12:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Left learned nothing from the DNC in Chicago 1968 - a key marker that gets not 1% the attention of say Woodstock...
	12:27pm prudy: UM: info about Schlagers?
	♥ 12:28pm TDK60: (Excuse me, see summer 2020. BLM! etc.)
	12:28pm Mr C: Jobim..
	♥ 12:28pm Uncle Michael: www.discogs.com...
	12:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Good Point TDK60.
	♥ 12:29pm Spinning Giant: beautiful...a lil Frank to soothe the frayed edges...sigh
	12:29pm dan: Just read that Jethro Tull have a new album coming out in the new year.
	🛒 ♥ 12:29pm spodiodi: also agree with you, RevRabbit... and happy belated bday! i was distracted weds, but meant to mention before 100% Whatever ended. hope it was great, as is the rest of your month
	♥ 12:30pm Franco Twinkie: You are correct sir! But regardless, for a brief moment it seemed that social change was a hazy possibility.
	12:30pm judy from croton: Brilliant segue uncle M
	12:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY spodiodi !
	♥ 12:32pm Franco Twinkie: The DNC in Chicago was when the flowers were stomped into the ground.
	12:32pm dan: And also, Deep Purple and Tears For Fears have new albums coming out soon.
	12:33pm prudy: thanks so much for explaining Schlagers...
	♥ 12:33pm Franco Twinkie: I have two copies of Zapped. Two different covers.
	♥ 12:33pm Webhamster Henry: "Schlagers" = German for "Hits.", I was hoping to hear Frankie sing inGerman.
	♥ 12:34pm TDK60: (See global demos today and tomorrow over climate - COP26.)
	12:36pm prudy: love this groove...
	♥ 12:36pm Uncle Michael: Thanks for the warning, dan.
	♥ 12:36pm Uncle Michael: judy!
	12:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It would be ideal to honor Marx by proving him wrong : that no Bloody Revolution is necessary to create Equality & Democracy. The Oligarchs become ever more entrenched - @ the same time with more Information - the Youth in particular are seeing thru the Institutions to what the Future actually & factually holds for them & the Environment. ...& @ the same time - people are manipulated by Disinformation to become Fascists. I always note that WWII followed the Depression. It's not some impenetrable mystery! With all that's happening now - don't forget the Great Recession in 2008... Various reasons people doubt what is said to them & resent Authority. Rightly so - but the same who are responsible for those conditions are of course exploiting them to misdirect people - like Arsonists who both light the fires & phone them in. Nothing Machiavelli & Hitler for instance didn't map out explicitly...
	12:40pm Listener Robert: Rabbit, sometimes we're so far from the liberty we want that it seems tantrum is the only appropriate response. It doesn't do any good in the long run, but at least it lets us know there are other libertarians out there.
	12:44pm Listener Robert: But i know what you mean. My friend Ralph, as a lawyer, got involved in the 1990s defending individuals against vaccine mandates. The trouble was, individual liberty was not acceptable widely enough as a reason to not be so coerced. So he had to study all the evidence that makes vaccines look bad, so at least they'd have an acceptable reason to refuse. Over the years, when you look at the evidence on only one side of such an issue, it distorts your perspective, and he turned from pro-freedom to frankly anti-vax, where he still is today.
	12:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ListenerRobert: Libertarian & Liberal are obviously words with the same root. But obviously what happens is people get sold getting rid of Rules in the name of FreeDumbs - & then only the richest of the ultrarich get to do anything they please - & to hell with anything, or anyone else. & a load of ridiculous Fascists get seated into power. My Liberty to swing my fist ends @ your nose. We are a Society & need to think like grownups to live together.
	12:45pm Listener Robert: That's not to say I'm in favor of any and every vaccination myself. On balance I think it's a great technology, but like every bit of tech out there, it's sometimes over-promoted and hijacked for parochial or pecuniary purposes.
	♥ 12:46pm Uncle Michael: An example, please?
	12:46pm Listener Robert: I think you'll find libertarians agree on the nose thing. They just might disagree as to how far one's nose extends in various cases.
	♥ 12:47pm StringOFperils: Nevillized.
	12:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It doesn't help BigPharma won't, for instance, release the vaccine patents. So whose argument doesn't that support - the Libertarian Capitalists, or us Commie Socialists ?
	🛒 ♥ 12:47pm spodiodi: amen, RRN63
	12:48pm dan: Paul Jones doesn't get any credit for being an amazing singer and harmonica player.
	12:48pm Listener Robert: Michael, you want examples from me or Rabbit? About general matters or vaccination in particular?
	♥ 12:48pm Uncle Michael: I want an example of a vaccine that's been over-promoted and hijacked for parochial or pecuniary purposes.
	♥ 12:49pm Franco Twinkie: Look what The Jefferson Airplane hath wrought, a serious dialogue!
	♥ 12:50pm StringOFperils: Someone high-jacked Jefferson Airplane?
	12:50pm Listener Robert: Easy: HPV. In the last century they started promoting that for use on children. By the time they got to an age where they'd be sexually active, that vaccination would've worn off. So it was all risk and no benefit to them.
	12:50pm Listener Robert: Similarly hepatitis B for the general population.
	🛒 ♥ 12:52pm Phillippe: Howdy! Spodi! Franco! RR! DrJ! All you other fine people!
	12:53pm dan: By the way UM, are you going to play John Lennon's "Remember" on today's show because it's the Fifth of November?
	12:53pm Andres: Hi, Uncle Michael! Loved that Fanny! So sweet!
	♥ 12:54pm Uncle Michael: That's complete nonsense. HPV vaccines result in a 90% decrease in cervical cancer in women who were vaccinated in their youth, according to a British study. I need to find the study.
	♥ 12:54pm Uncle Michael: Phillippe!
	12:55pm Listener Robert: Yes, such a study came out recently, but it the results could not have been inferred at that time. And "youth" includes ages a lot older than among those they've been promoting.
	12:55pm prudy: well in the case of Covid individual liberty should not include the right to endanger others by not getting vacinated...or should not...
	♥ 12:56pm StringOFperils: THAT study will certianly appear in The Lancet soon enough, as a more broadly available publication (helps if you know a doctor). Data scrutiny has to bear up, it's true; and oh so easy to second-guess the press these days
	♥ 12:56pm Uncle Michael: www.bbc.com...
	♥ 12:57pm Rich in Washington: I'm getting my Pfizer PBooster. I'm also bugging my doctor to give me the shingles vaccine after seeing a couple of friends deal with horrible cases of shingles.
	♥ 12:57pm Uncle Michael: Wow, they couldn't have known how effective the vaccine would be so it was hijacked and over-hyped?
	12:57pm prudy: shingles is an awful shitshow...
	♥ 12:58pm Rïch in Wäshïigtön: Motörhead!
	12:58pm Listener Robert: Yes, Michael. One's neck shouldn't be stuck out for someone else's possible future glory unless you know it.
	♥ 12:59pm Uncle Michael: \m/,
	♥ 12:59pm Uncle Michael: alrighty then
	♥ 12:59pm Rïch in Wäshïigtön: I trust science like I believe in the Bernoulli principle every time I get in an airplaine.
	12:59pm Listener Robert: It was a combination of pecuniary and parochial reasons the papilloma and hep B were so promoted. Pecuniary: make money, duh! Parochial: so "risk groups" wouldn't be stigmatized, even if "stigmatization" is just common sense.
	🛒 ♥ 1:00pm spodiodi: howdy, Phillippe! how's life on the bay today?
	1:00pm Listener Robert: I would not have minded a prospective trial to prove benefit being undertaken, but that requires informed consent.
	🛒 ♥ 1:01pm doctorjazz: www.cancer.gov... Here's one study on HPV vaccine and cervical cancer. There's no question there is less cancer because of the vaccine. I'll look for Hepatitis B vaccine information, but my recollection is that universal vaccination of infants has indeed decreased chronic hepatitis B (which itself causes cirrhosis and cancer of the liver). I routinely have to test teens for antibody to hepatitis B when they volunteer for hospital jobs. Most still have antibody in their teens; the few that don't generally respond with good levels after a single booster. And, my understanding is that vaccines aren't really Big Pharma's cash cow. They make most money on meds that you need to take chronically (cholesterol meds, for instance). The current vaccine for COVID may be different, because the financial arrangements are different for it.
	🛒 ♥ 1:02pm zzz: love that juaneco y su combo-- chicha stuff was my sountrack for this past summer.
	🛒 ♥ 1:02pm doctorjazz: (I'm in and out of the comments, doing office work, but that's from earlier)
	🛒 ♥ 1:02pm spodiodi: thanks for that info, and greetings, doctorjazz!
	🛒 ♥ 1:03pm doctorjazz: Hey, Spodiodi!
	🛒 ♥ 1:03pm Phillippe: cold and breezy, spodi. How's the west coast?
	1:03pm Listener Robert: Most biologicals aren't cash cows unless they can have a lot paid for a narrow patient class. However, what they seem to have developed into is cash cows for tort lawyers.
	1:04pm Listening Out There: The Guardian had a good article recently on Manfred Mann. The link sorta tells the story: www.theguardian.com...
	🛒 ♥ 1:04pm spodiodi: colder than i requested, Phillipe, but it's nice and sunny at the moment... so i'm good :-B :)
	♥ 1:04pm StringOFperils: Well, personally, as a survivor of a cancer caused by the HPV - and that was no fun at all - the availability of studies that indicate conclusive evidence of a reduction in the number of cases is a really big deal
	🛒 ♥ 1:05pm Cmurtha: The Marxist Historian Eric Hobsbawm postulated on a lot of this in the conclusion of his general history "The Age of Extremes". Its a general history, and he was writing in the 90s, so, problems exist in it. But, the entrenchment of Capital in the face of the collapse of its opposition (the fall of the USSR, cementing a liberal order where there was no "functioning" alternative from the perspective of elites and media makers). He argued that this lack of alternative would lead to the “unchaining” of capital, and a great deal of anxeity in people and governments, left with a situation that was, not sustainable. He argued that the disorder, and this feeling of hopelessness that many would face as their world view was thrown into question with no seeming alternatives (communism failed, the police apparatus had expanded to an absurd degree) would lead to conspiracies, distrust, and malaise as people could not find an outlet for their material condition, and dissatisfaction. Revolution Rabbit is certainly spouting some facts I think. We're just living in an age where technology has really already rendered most jobs obsolete, and most people's ways of identifying are in crisis (see - the nation) and we're grappling with that. The mass skepticism, doubt, and, and seeming hopelessness are all outgrowth of seemingly inevitable collapse of the current order constructed in the wake of WW2 which warped into every-ones favorite hollow signifier neo-liberalism in the 1970s. I know this is not directly in response to the discussion vis-a-vis vaccines, but this notion of skepticism, tthe questioning of everything and the paths its taking us down are very reminiscent of the post world-war one moment. When the ideals of the late 19th century died hard, everything one thrown into chaos, everyone questioned everything, no one knew what was coming, and people desperately looked to create order in a world (from European perspective of course) thrown into total anarchy. My Ph.D is in Ottoman History though and this is just some idle typing. Should probably think it through more.
	♥ 1:05pm StringOFperils: Hinky dinky, It's the show with a surgical thread
	1:06pm dan: I wonder what Mr. Science thinks about vaccines.
	1:06pm Listener Robert: Of course you (StringOFperils) and a broad class benefit from knowing results of retrospective studies. But does that justify avoiding a PROspective study, giving the drug to volunteers who know they're being tested for the benefit of others?
	♥ 1:07pm Uncle Michael: SoP!
	🛒 ♥ 1:07pm doctorjazz: Django!!! (there's a festival of Django-following guitarists in NYC, maybe I'll catch some shows)
	🛒 ♥ 1:08pm Cmurtha: Gotta love Django Reinhardt. I discovered him through a friend back in highschool...Said Friend also tried to get me into electro-swing which was new-ish at the time. That one didn't stick as well
	1:08pm Listener Robert: We learned things about the course of syphilis from the Tuskegee studies, but did that justify telling the subjects they weren't being experimented on?
	1:08pm Listening Out There: @doctorjazz: Here on the left coast, we have Djangofest, which is similar...
	♥ 1:08pm Lane Gray: Good afternoon! One of my DC area musician friends is the accordion player for a band called Djangolaya
	🛒 ♥ 1:09pm spodiodi: Sabdap, everybody. Sabdap!
	♥ 1:09pm Uncle Michael: Lane! What goes into their crawfish pie?
	♥ 1:09pm Lane Gray: Dan, you made me remember Dr. Science, from Ducksbreath
	♥ 1:10pm Lane Gray: As Charlie is Jewish, they may well eschew the crawfish pie.
	1:10pm Listener Robert: Dan Coffe? He's still around and publishing in various media AFAIK.
	♥ 1:11pm StringOFperils: Immediately linking your idea about this vaccine's deployment and Tuskeegee automatically seems dubious. Too much Philip K. Dick. You must think what you desire to think. As long as you keep thinking.
	♥ 1:11pm Rïch in Wäshïigtön: Duck's Breath stuff is getting a nice reissue effort. I know they guy doing it - he's also lovingly restored and reissued a bunch of Firesign Theatre stuff.
	♥ 1:11pm Uncle Michael: Rich, I think I might know that guy too.
	1:12pm Andres: Love this raga record! A Saturday night fave!
	1:12pm Listener Robert: SOP, it's just that I'm in the field of immunology and I work on clinical trials, so I have reason to look at both the best and worst case scenarios.
	♥ 1:12pm Sweet Corn Lizzie: Good morning, late because I had to WORK. Looks like I need to listen to what I missed, so much good stuff. Agree with you, StringOFperils. Yeah science gets misused but don't throw it all out.
	♥ 1:13pm Uncle Michael: Lizzie!
	🛒 ♥ 1:13pm doctorjazz: And, to get back to Hepatitis B vaccine (then I'll drop this), there is a reason for the birth dose of the vaccine. The problem with catching Hepatitis B, nasty as it is, isn't just the acute illness (fever, vomiting, jaundice for a couple of months). The worst outcome is becoming a chronic carrier of the virus in one's liver, which then causes cirrhosis and cancer of the liver. (John Coltrane died of liver cancer, likely from picking the virus up during his heroin years). Newborns are particular prone to getting the virus from their mom's through the placenta; they don't even get sick, just carry the virus and eventually those liver problems. Initially, the vaccine was just given to mom's that had risk for hepatitis B, but they found that the strategy didn't decrease newborn hepatitis at all (the mom's weren't necessarily honest about risks, and blood tests can miss it early in an infection), so it was decided to give it to all newborns. The result-chronic Hepatitis B dropped significantly. (sorry, you got me started, I spend my days advocating for vaccines).
	1:14pm Andres: Let's not be smearing Philip K. Dick, please.
	🛒 ♥ 1:14pm sinner: Diggin' the tunes (as always); diggin' the political science insights. One quick question: I can't find the original reference to crawfish pie me-o my-o.
	♥ 1:14pm Uncle Michael: (Djangolaya) Sinner!
	1:15pm prudy: love this Bombshell Baby stuff!
	1:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cmurtha interesting.
	1:16pm Listener Robert: But on the other hand, doctorjazz, for many decades they gave the Crede (AgNO3 drops) to newborns' eyes. (I did it myself in med school.) They continued this out of inertia long after there were less painful means of prophylaxis -- but primarily because hardly anybody seems to care about pain in newborns. (You could say the same of the persistence of circumcision.)
	1:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Cmurtha : May I Copy & Post that discourse @ 1:05 over in Zuckerland as Reply to my own - credited to 'Cmurtha' (or whatever you wish) ?
	🛒 ♥ 1:18pm Cmurtha: of course!
	1:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cheers ! Playlist is unfailing btw.
	1:19pm Listener Robert: Darn, now all this has got me "going" when I just wanted to listen and get some paying work done.
	🛒 ♥ 1:20pm Jeff Golick: Eric Hobsbawm would've gotten down with The Ex.
	♥ 1:21pm Uncle Michael: I will just ignorantly agree! Jeff!
	🛒 ♥ 1:23pm doctorjazz: Listener Robert-I'm not going to say everything done is properly vetted, and Docs, like most folks, get into habits that aren't broken easily. I do recall circumcision being done routinely in all newborns WITHOUT local anesthesia (the thinking, crazy as it seems now, was that somehow newborns didn't feel the pain the way older kids and adults do, mostly because they couldn't complain). But slowly stuff sinks in-boys still get circs, but never without local anesthesia these days. I'm struck by teaching I had in med school/residency that the way to avoid allergies was to avoid foods that cause allergy (avoid peanuts, say, until 2-3 years of age). There was no study that proved this that I know of, it just seemed logical/common sensical. Then there was a now famous study of Israeli children, that proved just the opposite; early introduction to babies that were genetically prone to allergy made them LESS likely to become allergic. All you can do is try to avoid or check on lazy thinking (but you have to realize you are indulging in lazy thinking).
	1:24pm judy from croton: Ah the wildness, Uncle M! Fits my mad erasing mode in my little’art’ studio in Peekskill
	🛒 ♥ 1:24pm spodiodi: i love it whenever you play Mexican Institute of Sound, UM!
	♥ 1:24pm Lane Gray: Sinner, might you be thinking of Jambalaya, from the Hillbilly Shakespeare™?
	🛒 ♥ 1:24pm doctorjazz: (I should state here, UM, really enjoying the show!)
	♥ 1:24pm Uncle Michael: make art like mad, judy! me too, spodi!
	1:24pm judy from croton: Erasing is as essential as drawing, sez me
	♥ 1:25pm Uncle Michael: thanks, Doc!
	♥ 1:25pm Lane Gray: I'm enjoying it, but it's keeping me up... Mrs. Gray says hello.
	♥ 1:26pm Uncle Michael: Hello, Mrs. G!
	🛒 ♥ 1:27pm adamdoesit: Can't keep still to this one.
	🛒 ♥ 1:27pm doctorjazz: Not familiar with Mexican Institute of Sound, what a hot number!
	🛒 ♥ 1:28pm zzz: " Then there was a now famous study of Israeli children, that proved just the opposite; early introduction to babies that were genetically prone to allergy made them LESS likely to become allergic. " --this is one of my favorite studies in part because in the Methods it says by name the kids were given Bamba as their peanut exposure. if you know you know!
	🛒 ♥ 1:29pm Jeff Golick: This might go without saying, but I find myself saying it anyway: the Tuskegee study is not an example of science overreach, or "bad vaccine science." It's an example of how inhumane we can be under the banner of science.
	1:30pm Listener Robert: But the people doing the study didn't think they were inhumane, they just thought they were doing important work for mankind.
	🛒 ♥ 1:31pm doctorjazz: @zzz, I love that study as well.
	1:33pm Listener Robert: It's like Google's slogan, "Don't be evil." Nobody thinks, "I'm evil! Bwahahahaha!"
	🛒 ♥ 1:34pm spodiodi: <3
	1:35pm Marie: Hey UM, hey All. Digging the show--love that image
	🛒 ♥ 1:35pm spodiodi: i do, Robert. minus the Bwahahaha
	1:35pm prudy: listener Robert: they also wanted to control black bodies..
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm doctorjazz: I believe that's what led to requiring ethics review of human studies, LR.
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm Jeff Golick: I don't know about that, @LR. The study lasted like 4 decades. And it's only with the benefit of hindsight, I suppose, that I can say this (which I guess is your point?), but what the study-doers thought they were doing is immaterial. You think if that medical team heard from an ethicist at the time that what they were doing was beyond the pale, the docs would've pulled back?
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm Phillippe: Hey, I think I like this Elvis guy! If he's good lookin' my wife might like him too!
	🛒 ♥ 1:36pm Brian in UK: Jeff Golick, guess that you have read this but here it is anyway. www.lordbuckley.com...
	♥ 1:36pm Uncle Michael: Marie! thanks!
	♥ 1:37pm Uncle Michael: BiUK!
	1:37pm Listener Robert: If they'd had ethics review at the time and heard that, yes, I think they'd've pulled back. Otherwise, what's the use of having an IRB now?
	🛒 ♥ 1:37pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Brian! Have never seen that before!
	🛒 ♥ 1:37pm spodiodi: this song is fun
	♥ 1:38pm Uncle Michael: I'm getting the fun out of my system.
	1:39pm Listener Robert: No! Please save some fun for the future!
	♥ 1:39pm Uncle Michael: "please dance on my sombrero" is a well-known euphamism
	1:39pm prudy: UM: I think the goal should be NEVER getting the fun out of your system!
	🛒 ♥ 1:40pm spodiodi: what on earth does it mean?!
	♥ 1:40pm Spinning Giant: ah damn! yes she is!
	1:40pm prudy: NOW you're talkin!
	🛒 ♥ 1:40pm Asheville Jon: this show is making my wacky-meter peg out!
	🛒 ♥ 1:40pm spodiodi: i was going to say something like that, Listener Robert (please do, UM!)
	1:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Where is the immoral Coercion in regards to the Covid-19 vaccines? (Or for that matter - other vaccinations such as that for Polio &tc.) I see it from completely the other way down the telescope: The Classism & Racism are in who is not getting the Vaccine, & for that matter the Boosters. Which is very very stupid in a lethal contagion you do not want to spread & also therefore mutate. & frankly - an Evil would be not only not doing your part in that by Vaccinating - but by spreading Disinformation about the effectiveness & indeed necessity of the Vaccines.
	♥ 1:41pm Uncle Michael: Jon!
	♥ 1:41pm Spinning Giant: there was an amazing funk/soul cover band in Ottawa when I was in university called "The Hammerheads", and damn they could rock this song (among others)...good times....
	🛒 ♥ 1:41pm adamdoesit: Catching up on the serious discussion. The things I miss when I've got my head down in a psychosexual literature review. Jeff G, in support of your point, it bears repeating that the cruelty of Tuskeegee was exhibited not in what was given, but what was withheld. spodi, hi!
	♥ 1:41pm Uncle Michael: shake a cow...shake a cow now
	🛒 ♥ 1:41pm spodiodi: hear, hear RRN63
	🛒 ♥ 1:42pm Asheville Jon: UM!!!
	♥ 1:42pm Spinning Giant: already at it, @UM! ;P
	🛒 ♥ 1:42pm spodiodi: aloha, adamdoesit!
	♥ 1:42pm Spinning Giant: curdle that milk
	1:42pm dan: Lionel Richie at his funkiest before he became silky smooth
	🛒 ♥ 1:42pm βrian: This reminds me of long-ago pleasant and illicit activities in Flint, Michigan.
	🛒 ♥ 1:43pm βrian: (The Commodores)
	🛒 ♥ 1:43pm Asheville Jon: wow, looking back at the playlist, really sad i missed head, hands & feet! haven't heard them forever!
	♥ 1:43pm Spinning Giant: @Brian - that sounds like loads of fun! :D
	♥ 1:44pm Uncle Michael: @Jon, maybe you wouldn't like 'em!
	🛒 ♥ 1:44pm Jeff Golick: This Trammps production sounds kinda advanced (in the disco sense) for 1972?
	♥ 1:44pm TDK60: I don't talk much about vaccines, except to say: waive those patents friggin' Big Pharma & Rich Countries!; let's get the whole wide Woild shots.
	🛒 ♥ 1:44pm Asheville Jon: i liked them in the past, why not now?
	♥ 1:44pm Uncle Michael: you callin' me a bad fact checker??!
	🛒 ♥ 1:45pm Jeff Golick: No! I think I'm calling Trammps geniuses?
	♥ 1:46pm Uncle Michael: Nice save.
	🛒 ♥ 1:47pm Phillippe: Just watched the Sparks Brother doc. A good watch.
	1:47pm Andres: From my fave Sparks album!
	♥ 1:47pm StringOFperils: Yay! #1
	♥ 1:47pm Uncle Michael: Andres!
	♥ 1:48pm Rich in Washington: cranking this up while I fry up some potatoes o'brien.
	♥ 1:48pm Spinning Giant: Hey Hey @Andres! What's cooking, brother...?
	🛒 ♥ 1:48pm The Oscar: Mornin'! My partner and I discussed doing a Sparks couples costume for Halloween this year, but then we realized if she went home early I'd just look like Hitler.
	♥ 1:48pm Rich in Washington: anybody see the Weird Al Sparks cover? It's pretty funny, even if you're not a fan of Ol' Al.
	🛒 ♥ 1:49pm The Oscar: (And by "mornin" I of course mean "afternoon")
	🛒 ♥ 1:49pm doctorjazz: Somehow missed sparks in my listening.
	1:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...yerknow - 400+million Covid vax doses have been given in the USA alone (...tho the USA is not alone in this @ all...) I think we can stop calling it an 'Experiment' - Tuskogee-stylee or otherwise...
	1:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oscar haha ! Keyboard might help...
	🛒 ♥ 1:50pm sinner: @Lane: someone mentioned crawfish pie in an earlier post--which I can't find now. I was just wondering what the original reference was.
	♥ 1:50pm Uncle Michael: Oscar! Weird Al killed it.
	1:50pm Andres: Hey, Spinning Giant! All is well here. I hear word that we can look forward to another Kazoo Fest soonish!
	🛒 ♥ 1:51pm βrian: Waiting with bated breath for Little Human to get her first jab on Monday.
	♥ 1:51pm StringOFperils: I think Ron Mael wrote 'crawfish pie, me-O-my..', in 1967, pre-Half Nelson. Sparks' earliest efforts.
	♥ 1:52pm Rich in Washington: trying to learn to flip-toss using my nearly 7 pound iron skillet. Dang.
	🛒 ♥ 1:52pm Jeff Golick: Tabs I just closed: "Tuskegee syphilis study"; "Eric Habsbawm interview"; "HPV vaccine cutting cervical cancer" -- strange but great show today, @UM.
	♥ 1:52pm Uncle Michael: Rich, Lisa Douglas can show you how to flop hots cakes.
	🛒 ♥ 1:54pm spodiodi: thanks for another great show, UM! to the music! cheerio, all
	♥ 1:54pm SmirkOFbemusement: Metastasizing my musical horizons. Jah praise.
	♥ 1:54pm Spinning Giant: @Andres - that is good news! I hadn't heard that - I know the jazzfest is ramping back up shortly too - just not sure i can deal with masking up for the indoor shows (asthma) - but i might check out any outdoor stuff (if there is any)...
	♥ 1:55pm Uncle Michael: There's still another hour....I think.
	🛒 ♥ 1:55pm doctorjazz: Toots!!! (anyther fave! Got to see him in Jamaica, very lucky)
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm Jeff Golick: Well, according to your playlist, @UM, you played "Albatross" already, so we're technically in overtime.
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm spodiodi: oh! sweet! (i can sure be scattered.) i take it back. real thanks will come at the end :-B
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm Phillippe: welcome back, spodi!
	1:56pm Andres: Spinning Giant, lets hope for Hillside come summertime.
	♥ 1:56pm TDK60: I haven't heard this Toots song in ages.
	🛒 ♥ 1:56pm spodiodi: been fighting with cheap network hardware and lost track of time
	🛒 ♥ 1:57pm βrian: @Rich: I have an old pair of #12 cast-iron skillets if you want to practice with those.
	🛒 ♥ 1:57pm spodiodi: hah, thanks, Phillippe! good to be back
	♥ 1:58pm StringOFperils: Every time you fix your local area network, an angel gets its wings.
	🛒 ♥ 1:59pm spodiodi: 256 comments so far, before this one
	♥ 2:00pm Rich in Washington: I got a #12 before I was fully ready to master cooking on iron and I screwed it up and ended up giving it away. But man, once I figured it out, there's no going back.
	🛒 ♥ 2:01pm spodiodi: ;-B
	🛒 ♥ 2:01pm βrian: Skillet skillz, don't you know.
	♥ 2:03pm StringOFperils: Something tells me the appearance of 'fun' will be negligible in this set.
	♥ 2:04pm Uncle Michael: This is a masterpiece and a tough listen.
	2:04pm dan: Sad Song has that Philip Glass style arpeggio string accompaniment
	🛒 ♥ 2:05pm Phillippe: after a lifetime of cooking on gas, we switched to an induction cooktop due to a lack of availability of gas in our neighborhood and the number of hoops that had to be gone through to get a permit for a propane tank in a critical zone. We can only use cookware with a high iron content, either cast iron or "real" stainless steel. Loving the cast iron, but damn it gets heavy when you're cooking for 10
	♥ 2:05pm Uncle Michael: I'm getting ready to switch to induction.
	♥ 2:06pm Uncle Michael: How's the learning curve been for you, Phillippe?
	♥ 2:06pm StringOFperils: @dan @ 2:04> That's interesting because those two musics were developing within blocks of each other at the same time.
	🛒 ♥ 2:06pm Alvy Singer: Hi Uncle Michael- Berlin is a film for the ears.
	♥ 2:06pm Uncle Michael: Alvy! Yeah, a dark film.
	🛒 ♥ 2:08pm βrian: I have induction and gas side-by-side. Love them both, but if you want to really blast something with heat, this induction top will incinerate!
	♥ 2:08pm StringOFperils: Total induction, in 5..4..3..2..
	🛒 ♥ 2:09pm Phillippe: Burnt stuff for 6 months or so. We also had to learn to prep everything before cooking, as stuff heats up quickly. And don't walk away from the stove when you're boiling water because it will boil over in a blink of an eye. But you do get a much more predictable heat, because "off" really is "off"
	🛒 ♥ 2:09pm βrian: Some of my favorite pans won't work on the induction, sadly, and I refuse to part with them.
	2:09pm dan: @Stringofperils I never knew that, but I'm not entirely surprised. Reed and Glass probably ran in the same circles.
	🛒 ♥ 2:09pm Alvy Singer: @Uncle Michael-And to think that Berlin was going to be a double album.
	♥ 2:10pm Spinning Giant: stop it now, @UM Joy Division - you're killing me (in the absolute perfect way that I want to be killed, I mean)...
	♥ 2:11pm Rich in Washington: I really dug Creamo Coyle's all Joy Division show a couple of weeks ago.
	♥ 2:11pm Uncle Michael: Yeah, I expect some catastrophes during the learning period.
	♥ 2:11pm Spinning Giant: @Andres - we can pray!
	2:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ian Curtis as Singer.
	♥ 2:11pm Rich in Washington: I'm scared of induction ranges. I can see me or someone in the household cracking that surface.
	🛒 ♥ 2:12pm Phillippe: @βrian we did the thrift store route for much of our induction cookware and have been happy with our mismatched stuff. (well, we got to thrift stores for pretty much everything, so no surprise there...) I do get some funny looks from pressing the magnetic clasp on the sides of pots and pans to make sure they'll work
	2:13pm Andres: Rich: Yes. Plenty of cast iron pans and dutch ovens have slipped out of my hands.
	🛒 ♥ 2:13pm Phillippe: If you get one, be sure to get one that has the metal bevel on the front edge -- supposedly keeps you from chipping the front of the top
	🛒 ♥ 2:14pm Phillippe: *metal clasp on my phone case
	🛒 ♥ 2:14pm βrian: I've really walloped my cooktop a few times, to no ill effect. Someone somewhere posted a video of a bowling ball dropping on one. I've not been tempted to try that myself.
	♥ 2:14pm Uncle Michael: I don't think ours has a bevel. It does have the built in Hestan Cue tech and can communicate with their smart pots and accessories. Sous Vide, check.
	🛒 ♥ 2:14pm dutchtheo: Happy friday, Unk, and the joy division!
	♥ 2:15pm Uncle Michael: Theo!
	🛒 ♥ 2:15pm βrian: I'd recommend getting one that requires 220V.
	♥ 2:15pm Rich in Washington: I really, REALLY want a dutch oven but every time I see one used, they've got those tripod legs and homie don't need that.
	🛒 ♥ 2:16pm Jeff Golick: Crocus at his Crocus-iest.
	♥ 2:16pm Uncle Michael: I've never seen legs on a dutch oven.
	♥ 2:16pm StringOFperils: @Dan@ 2:09 > Philip Glass was pretty busy studying, and driving a New York cab to pay the bills. Plus he studied with Nadia Boulanger, and Ravi Shankar. The midtown gay drug-addict scene probably wasn't on his radar so much. He DID move in the same circles as artist, Chuck Close, whose huge hyper-realist portrait of Glass is one of the first places I ever saw a picture of him....this is like in the 1970s, for context > whitney.org...
	♥ 2:16pm Michael 98145: now we dance
	🛒 ♥ 2:16pm Phillippe: They make portable single burner units that are very inexpensive (well under $100)if you want to try before you take the plunge. That's what we did. We use it outside now when we want cook a large amount of stuff, like steaming crabs
	♥ 2:16pm Uncle Michael: Michael!
	🛒 ♥ 2:17pm βrian: @Rich: I found my #8 dutch oven in an abandoned hunting camp in Vermont. It was a lot of work to restore it, but it's a lovely workhorse.
	2:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: PBS had a loong Phillip Glass episode on AmericanMasters. Very good I thot - tho' compared to what I wouldn't know.
	🛒 ♥ 2:18pm Phillippe: @Rich in Washington one of the holy grails of thrifting is a Le Crueset dutch oven. That, the Kitchen Aid stand mixer, and a Herman Miller office chair are considered gold
	🛒 ♥ 2:19pm Cmurtha: Rich - any reason why you want to get a used one? I know its cheaper, but a new lodge or similar pot will last you forever. And prepping them isn't as bad as some people say. You can even get some products made for finishing. Of course, oil works fine, but smokes up your apartment/house like a mofo if you go that route.
	2:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 1973 ! HolyStank Death were awesome.
	♥ 2:20pm TDK60: Love this Faces LP.
	🛒 ♥ 2:20pm Phillippe: I think TJ Maxx carries a lot of discounted Lodge, including enameled dutch ovens
	🛒 ♥ 2:21pm adamdoesit: I'm still baking bread in the $20 Lodge dutch oven I got 20 years ago. Amortized pretty well, I'd say… Prefer my enamel stuff for cookin with likkwids tho.
	♥ 2:21pm Uncle Michael: We have an old Belgian imitation Le Crueset that my wife bought decades ago. I love that thing.
	🛒 ♥ 2:21pm βrian: If I got a new one, I'd take it to a machinist to have the surface smoothed. The ones I've seen are damn near lumpy.
	🛒 ♥ 2:21pm Cmurtha: I think Steelcase makes a better chair than herman miller, but let it be known that buying a high end desk chair is something I strongly recommend to everyone. Very much worth it.
	♥ 2:22pm Uncle Michael: Next week I'm going to sit in an Eames chair to see if I like it well enough to buy a cheap knockoff.
	♥ 2:22pm Uncle Michael: Speaking of Herman Miller...
	🛒 ♥ 2:23pm adamdoesit: Is there a consensus on the best way to strip old, broken-down seasoning from plain cast iron, prior to rebaconification?
	♥ 2:23pm TDK60: Good tunes. Thanks UM. I must away..
	🛒 ♥ 2:23pm Phillippe: Cmurtha I'm in need of a new chair and the Herman Miller has not made it my way yet, I'll have to add Steelcase to the list. Our local Habitat Restore has had a LOT of nice furniture lately
	2:23pm prudy: I don't sit anymore to work...but standing too long in one place has its drawbacks also...aging...sigh...
	♥ 2:24pm Uncle Michael: see ya, TDK!
	🛒 ♥ 2:24pm Jeff Golick: Those desk chairs are priced for corporations, alas, as I discovered when looking for one for the home (Covid) office with the $300-odd my company was providing...
	🛒 ♥ 2:24pm Cmurtha: I got mine from a refurbisher of office furniture, and I love it. Heres hoping you find one!
	🛒 ♥ 2:24pm βrian: I've used old-fashioned oven cleaner to strip seasoning. And I've used the oven cleaning cycle. I think I prefer the former, since it's easier to oversee.
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Cmurtha: Jeff - there are places that sell them used/refurbished both online and in person. If you don't mind a scuff, or some minor fault it really drops the price. I know it may seem iffy to buy a used high-end chair, but those 300-500 dollar chairs are meant to last decades.
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Cmurtha: 300-500 dollar + I meant
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Phillippe: @adfamdoesit I have this bookmarked for some reason... Not sure if its helpful www.cnn.com...
	🛒 ♥ 2:26pm Jeff Golick: @UM: we got a Dutch oven for a wedding present that was some kind of Le Crueset knock-off with no evident branding; my wife has tried to no avail to discover its provenance. It's been great.
	♥ 2:27pm StringOFperils: The Eames recliner and Ottoman have a considerable footprint. They're good in a big room.
	🛒 ♥ 2:27pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Cmurtha. I have no problem with refurbished chairs, and wish I had thought of that route when shopping!
	🛒 ♥ 2:28pm doctorjazz: Love this ELO (there was an episode of Doctor Who based on this song
	🛒 ♥ 2:28pm βrian: Le Creuset's are made in China nowadays, aren't they?
	🛒 ♥ 2:29pm βrian: [Bad apostrophe!]
	🛒 ♥ 2:30pm Cmurtha: Brian - internet says they make the cast iron still in France, steel in Europe, but some of their other stuff in China. The abundance of the other stuff being sold on ali-baba very cheap seems to confirm that.
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm Jeff Golick: So that Joy Division record is not a nod to 1979 Fireman of the Year, Mike Marshall?
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm adamdoesit: βrian, good tip, thanks. Phillippe, I agree with Gritzer's dismissal of the soap heresy! My recent Creuset was made in France. Ditto the Fontignacs that I picked up at a sample sale -- a fraction of the price, and every bit as nice.
	2:31pm dan: I will never forgive my 10 year old self for not liking ELO. Now they're in the top tier of my favorite bands.
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm Hopey Sockmonkey: I got a refurbished SteelCase chair from Woot last year and I'm liking it better than the new one I have here in the office. It was ~$230.
	🛒 ♥ 2:31pm spodiodi: sitting on the chair i took when i left my last gig. it's great. it's great. "It's your duty as an oppressed worker to steal from your exploiters" -- John S. Hall
	🛒 ♥ 2:33pm Phillippe: I found a few nicely made enameled pieces from Copco at Goodwill. Danish company
	2:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: That ELO is the JeffLynne Production Thang where it belongs.
	♥ 2:37pm Uncle Michael: I still haven't mentioned that I will be on from 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM next Friday.
	🛒 ♥ 2:37pm adamdoesit: Hinky Dinky Doubletime!
	🛒 ♥ 2:37pm doctorjazz: That's a whole lotta Hink and Dink!
	2:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Six Hours !
	🛒 ♥ 2:39pm spodiodi: Double the Dink 🎉🥳
	♥ 2:39pm Rich in Washington: Nice! That's swell! Can't wait.
	♥ 2:39pm Uncle Michael: And there's only nine more weeks until the all-request show!
	♥ 2:39pm Rich in Washington: Will you sing You'll Never Walk Alone as a finale, Michael?
	♥ 2:40pm Uncle Michael: If I ever break the GTDR record, I promise to.
	♥ 2:41pm Rich in Washington: Oh! What IS the record?
	🛒 ♥ 2:41pm adamdoesit: Fuuuuuuuuuuuu… uh I got kind of a lot to get done before that show rolls around. Maybe I shouldn't spend Fridays listening to the radio? Nah.
	🛒 ♥ 2:41pm spodiodi: i think 8?
	♥ 2:41pm Rich in Washington: who was it, spodi? Do you remember?
	♥ 2:42pm Uncle Michael: Kurt Gottchalk did a death tribute that I believe holds the record. Prince, maybe?
	🛒 ♥ 2:42pm Phillippe: Total non sequitur here, but I just stepped outside and there is now a random golf club head cover sitting in the garden just outside the door. Not one I've ever seen before
	🛒 ♥ 2:42pm spodiodi: i don't. i know Julie's done 7. i think maybe there are more than one, Rich.
	♥ 2:42pm Uncle Michael: Not one of your regular golf club head covers?
	2:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...glad somebody in the USA picked up on the PrettyThings...
	2:42pm dan: Sounds like Not Fade Away turned inside out.
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm Phillippe: Nope
	♥ 2:43pm StringOFperils: You're supposed to take those covers off when you tee off.
	♥ 2:43pm Uncle Michael: I've done seven a couple of times.
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm spodiodi: just have 8 stuck in my head for whatever reason. already looking to be untrue
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm doctorjazz: Did I miss the message about submitting requests? (time to start anxious obsessing)?
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm Phillippe: I'm wondering if a neighbor dog brought it by
	🛒 ♥ 2:43pm spodiodi: i'm already there, doc! indeed
	🛒 ♥ 2:44pm doctorjazz: dan @2:42, with a bit of Who Do You Love mixed in
	♥ 2:44pm Rich in Washington: my personal record was 8 hours on KBOO: I did my show, then the next host came in complaining of horrible stomach flu, so laid on the studio sofa while I did his show, then the next host just flaked and never showed. I improvised a five hour mix using a Philip K. Dick book on tape and ambient music. I think I put all of Portland to sleep.
	♥ 2:44pm StringOFperils: Hoo boy. 9 til 3 is a lot of radio.
	2:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 85% PrettyThings, 15% Jagger~Stones...
	🛒 ♥ 2:45pm Phillippe: Well, I'm gonna put in my request now: Freebird
	♥ 2:45pm Rich in Washington: Caravan with a drum solo!
	🛒 ♥ 2:45pm doctorjazz: no Whipping Post requests?
	♥ 2:45pm Sweet Corn Lizzie: We had an Eames lounge chair and hassock knockoff that I got at a garage sale, Plycraft brand. Apparently made in the 60s and collectible, but not as expensive as vintage Eames. Gave it to friends because neither of us sat in it much. Very hard to get out of, just like the Eames!
	2:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Rich on WA - love that kinda Creativity in Broadcasting.
	🛒 ♥ 2:46pm spodiodi: i just tried to request the song i requested last year (here) on another program, (sunday night/mon morn), but was denied :\| ... so, i'm extra-stoked for another chance here!
	2:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *IN Wa
	♥ 2:46pm Uncle Michael: I need to see if the Eames feels like a teevee watching chair.
	♥ 2:48pm Uncle Michael: Doc, it's way too early to start obsessing.
	🛒 ♥ 2:48pm doctorjazz: I thought Beatles/Abby Road with that drum intro... (it's NEVER too early to start obsessing...)
	♥ 2:49pm Uncle Michael: I meant it's way too late to stop obsessing.
	🛒 ♥ 2:50pm Cmurtha: Speaking of Freebird, Will to Power's mash-up of it and Baby I love your ways never fails to hit like a chair to the back of the head for those unprepared. Love to play that song without telling people that it will turn into Freebird. Always gets a good reaction.
	♥ 2:50pm Uncle Michael: This is amazing for 1970....which is why it might have been an unreleased demo.
	♥ 2:50pm StringOFperils: DJ this show from deep in the the Eames recliner, UM. I can see the closely-cropped Prisoner camera shot now. "Who is no. 1?! Hinky-Dinky Time is no. 1, YOU are no. 6."
	♥ 2:51pm Uncle Michael: I am a free bird!
	♥ 2:52pm StringOFperils: Nicely done.
	🛒 ♥ 2:52pm spodiodi: ⛄
	🛒 ♥ 2:52pm doctorjazz: Like this Reed/Dylan, great cover! Almost the end, great show, UM!
	🛒 ♥ 2:53pm spodiodi: indeed, SOp/ UM. slick
	🛒 ♥ 2:54pm Phillippe: Updating spodi's comment count, looks like 383 now. Let's go for 400, dammit!
	🛒 ♥ 2:54pm Jeff Golick: Jerry takin' some liberties!
	🛒 ♥ 2:54pm spodiodi: 386 before this one,Phillippe
	2:55pm prudy: wow..it's the end of the program...thanks so much UM...
	🛒 ♥ 2:55pm unpopularfred: Ever seen the video where Robbie Foulks does "Walk on the Wild Side" in the style of Jerry Reed? you should
	2:55pm KWilde: Classic HDT feature!
	2:55pm dan: Great show UM.
	🛒 ♥ 2:55pm Phillippe: Thanks spodi! a couple rang in while I was typing I think
	♥ 2:55pm Uncle Michael: Thank you all for spending time listening to vaccines with me!
	♥ 2:56pm MHLee: I've been here for the last hour... love it
	♥ 2:56pm Uncle Michael: MHLee!
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm doctorjazz: Another cool cover, time to being back Last Thing for the end of the show?
	♥ 2:56pm StringOFperils: We put the needle on the record.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm adamdoesit: Needles ain't just for Singles Going Steady week! Fine show today, UM. Thanks for keeping my afternoon grooving, stomping, boogieing, bluesing, and all the rest.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm spodiodi: Genuine Thanks, Uncle Michael! ✌️ hippies 🕊️
	♥ 2:56pm Rich in Washington: Thanks for the big mood booster shot today, Uncle Michael! Your show is always a joy.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm Phillippe: Yet you didn't play anything from The Vaccines. Opportunity lost...
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm Alvy Singer: The epitome of free form radio. Thanks Uncle Michael.
	🛒 ♥ 2:56pm Cmurtha: Great show UM! Thank you
	🛒 ♥ 2:57pm doctorjazz: (sorry for dragging out that vaccine thread...) Catch y'all later!
	2:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...always a Topeaka Experience... ~ TY DJ UM ~
	♥ 2:57pm Uncle Michael: You're all very kind. Thanks. See you next Friday....EARLY!
	🛒 ♥ 2:57pm Phillippe: Thanks for the great show, UM! Bye everyone, have a great weekend!
	♥ 2:57pm Rich in Washington: wonder how many 'shot' related songs there are. Double Shot of My Baby's Love is the only one that springs to mind.
	♥ 2:58pm MHLee: Used to preform bluegrass so this is nostalgic
	🛒 ♥ 2:58pm dutchtheo: Thanks, Uncle Michael! Hooray for the dutch oven!
	♥ 2:58pm StringOFperils: Great googly moogly, UM! Thanks!
	🛒 ♥ 3:01pm Jeff Golick: Ta!
	♥ 3:03pm Spinning Giant: great stuff as always Brother Michael & gang - a bientot!
	♥ 3:03pm Rich in Washington: Bye, UM!
	♥ 3:03pm Uncle Michael: poof
	3:03pm Listening Out There: Six hours? Double your pleasure, double your fun...
	3:04pm Listener Robert: Bye-bye.

Hinky Dinky Time with Uncle Michael: Playlist from November 5, 2021

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