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Favoriting November 9, 2020: The election and Big Tech

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Tonight: The election and Big Tech

Pointers:

Dear Joe Biden: Don't Listen to Silicon Valley (Roger McNamee, past Techtonic guest, in Wired, July 9, 2020): "The problems with Silicon Valley's largest companies, especially the internet platforms, are not occasional or inadvertent. They are systemic and intentional. Hate speech, disinformation, and conspiracy theories are the meticulously engineered lubricants that maximize revenue for Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and Twitter. The decline of journalism has happened because Google and Facebook found a way to insert themselves between media companies and their audience, and then to siphon off advertising dollars. The explosion and influence of extremist groups on Facebook are not an accident; they are the result of conscious choices. Facebook's internal research revealed that its own recommendations account for 64 percent of registrations to Facebook Groups focused on extremist topics. Rather than change policy, management did nothing. The convenience of Amazon Prime, Uber, and Postmates (now an Uber subsidiary) results in part from exploitative labor practices. The flaws of new products like facial recognition and AI are not inevitable; they result from a culture that ships products at the earliest possible moment, without consideration for the impact on the people who use or are affected by them. These examples just scratch the surface."

Jason Kint, today, Nov 9: "Including Google's Eric Schmidt in a position of influence is prob the most likely stumble this administration could have walking in the door. It would be turning over a critical set of issues in our economy and information sphere to financial influence." Kint attaches this FT excerpt:



• Below, from Seth MacFarlane, Nov 3, 2020:



Kamala Harris and the ascent of Silicon Valley (my column from Aug 13, 2020): "What are the chances that someone funded by Facebook, Salesforce, LinkedIn, Kleiner, Apple, Twitter, Netflix and Zynga money is going to call for any restructuring of their business models?"

Does Section 230's Sweeping Immunity Enable Big Tech Bad Behavior? (U.S. Senate Commerce Committee, Oct 28, 2020), featuring Jack Dorsey, Sundar Pichai, and Mark Zuckerberg. Quoted: Senator Gary Peters of Michigan with Mark Zuckerberg, who claims not to know anything about a blockbuster WSJ article on the racist group-recommendation algorithm (which I write about here).

Jack Dorsey Hires Homeless Man Off Streets Of San Francisco To Fill In For Him At Hearings (Babylon Bee, Oct 28, 2020)

• Along with our outtro comes this closing piece of advice:



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Listener comments!

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Fredericks:

Hey yo tech No!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Drives: hotsie motsie, is it good to be with you all.
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonidents Elect!
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Bas NL:

Mark! Techtoniclections!
  6:01pm
WFMU listener john:

Hello fellow techies
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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melinda:

hi Mark and friends!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Out techtodemons out!
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Threemoons:

Awesome opener....
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Handy Haversack:

From your fingers to TECHNODEITIES' input circuits, Ken.
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Howdy Mark and folks!

Mark - You probably saw last week that (literally) around the time of last week's show Spotify unveiled its new pay to play scam.
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Webhamster Henry:

It's kind of noisy in the Sports Closet tonight!
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dave miss:

Howdy techies
  6:05pm
Andy:

Thank you so much for playing Van Jones.
  6:05pm
Andy:

Sincerely!
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YETI BOB:

that's an excellent Venn diagram there
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Handy Haversack:

Is it Hayes the other one who lost the popular vote?
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ultradamno:

Yep, Ruthie B. himself
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melinda:

I like the Seth McFarlane quote.
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Handy Haversack:

New York City and Bloom County are, oddly, in the same election district.
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YETI BOB:

@Handy: there are 5 who lost the popular vote - en.wikipedia.org...
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Crudbringer:

Are you talking about Ronald Grump? The Grouch that built an entire swamp in one day? The developer/entrepreneur that created the Grump Towers candominium?
  6:10pm
WFMU listener john:

We all knew who the this thing is
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ultradamno:

He had been a national disgrace long enough before being elected though.
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listener james from westwood:

Gotta be V-J Day for something on this scale, not just in NYC but in other major cities.
  6:10pm
castor:

Obama's election
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Webhamster Henry:

So was all the plywood put up in case of a Trump victory or a Biden victory?
  6:12pm
WFMU listener john:

And i have a feeling that trump is going to start a shooting war with China
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Handy Haversack:

Yah, YB, it was a sloppy question: the one who's alone in the green with Bush.
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listener james from westwood:

Eisenhower?
  6:14pm
WFMU listener john:

Mark trump has never been generous about anything
  6:14pm
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It wasn't as spontaneous, but my memory of anything approaching this is when Nelson Mandela came to NYC in 1990...
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Handy Haversack:

Plywood was put up by cops bribing property owners to act scared in order to make cops seem important, Henry.

Is a hypothesis.
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ignatatus666:

Hillary left the building when she lost. She left her supporters flat. I thought that was horrible. I also don’t remember her concession spea h.
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Ike:

@john@6:12, nah, they'd take away his bank account. Remember we recently found out he pays more taxes to China than to us.
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Webhamster Henry:

Trump didn't have a victory speech and Hilary didn't have a concession speech.
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ultradamno:

McCain lost, in no small part, for choosing a wildly incompetent, gaffe prone, obnoxious buffoon for a running mate. Imagine that.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining. @igna @Webham I don't want to get into the 2016 events but I do indeed remember watching Hillary's concession speech live.
  6:17pm
ignatatus666:

Headed to work
Got my ears on
Have a great week Mark
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melinda:

I'm relieved that Biden won but fear that Trump lowered the bar so much that people will be numbed to the threat still posed by Big Tech influence within a Biden administration, among other things.
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Mark Hurst:

@melinda totally agree and will be speaking to that in a moment.
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Man, this is hard to follow. Too many big words and not enough USA USA chants. ;)
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ultradamno:

@melinda ...and provided a roadmap for more sophisticated potential authoritarians.
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Joe McG:

Wow, Mark, what a terrific concession speech!
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Deborah:

Just so concerned that the bloviating buffoon will somehow use his henchpeople to block the election.
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ultradamno:

@tim or 'lock ____ up' chants
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WFMU listener john:

@Ike don’t be too sure and now going to lurk for the rest of the show
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Deborah:

Election results, I mean. I read that some trump colleagues are trying to talk to the narcissistic, evil bastard.
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@ultrsadamno ah, VPs some say potatoe some say pototae
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Ike:

@ultradamno@6:16, actually no, I think he might have lost by a larger margin if he hadn't picked a nationalist populist anti-intellectual maniac which helped fire up the base, and that was a flashing warning light that nobody paid much attention to. Vicious, mindless anti-intellectualism is a core element of America.
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ultradamno:

That is certainly not how I recall it, Ike.
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Handy Haversack:

Well put, Melinda! I hear so many people now hoping that what comes next is "calm" or "back to normal." The status quo is surveillance capitalism, deadly extraction capitalism, and a foundational racial violence -- that's the status quo Biden has always supported.

Arrrgh.
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ultradamno:

Palin was a slow motion disaster and provided McCain no substantial boost whatsoever. The single most significant misstep of his political career.
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iiibeat:

We need a 3 or 5 person Federal Executive in Office. 3 or 5 different parties represented. So much attention on 1 person is unpatriotic.
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@Deborah VP Quayle - potatoe
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melinda:

@Handy yes. On the one hand I don't want to deny anyone their feelings of jubilation right now but I'm not feeling it myself.
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ultradamno:

Not even my favorite Quayle gaffe...that would probably be when they sent him to Pago Pago (which tells you something right off) and he spent all day calling it Pogo Pogo.
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Handy Haversack:

And that concentration of people among the Big Tech cos. and government has also done an incredible amount of heavy lifting in the concentration of wealth and the income disparity in this country. Even as capitalists, they're cheaters.
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ultradamno:

@melinda I had jubilation (a new sensation for me, can't say I cared for it) for about half an hour before I started worrying about what crazy thing Trump was going to do in response to it.
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ultradamno:

The election being called, not my jubilation
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WFMU listener john:

@Handy this is why I voted third party because the two so called front runners SUCK
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WR:

They need to realize the Big Tech & Science are not the same.
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Webhamster Henry:

Big Tech are - surprise - big money.
  6:32pm
Johnzo:

who's celebrating & feeling positive about the Biden administration... I thought everyone was just celebrating dumping Trump is anyone actually looking forward to Biden...
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Deborah:

@? Quayle was harmless. Our current moron in chief is dangerous.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

California Prop. 22 passed with 58% of the vote. Drivers for the app-based transportation companies are independent contractors and receive no benefits plan.
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diciassette:

^ that it did :(
  6:33pm
Johnzo:

hold a politician accountable once they're elected? good luck with that.
  6:34pm
Annette Marie:

Bernie was planning to break up big tech. I heard something about that toward the end of his candidacy. Wonder if that's significant?
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ultradamno:

I'm happy Biden won, not only because Trump lost but also because someone associated with the Obama administration won, which must drive him extra nuts. It's the little things in life...
  6:36pm
Annette Marie:

#EndCitizensUnited would go a long way toward ending the corporate ownership of our country. Is it impossible to achieve? For the rightwing nonstop 24/7 brainwipe: #RenewFairnessDoctrine. And #ReinstateVotingRightsAct
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Baja Joe:

Hiya Mark. Listening intently here in Staten island. Good that someone is making these points about the incoming administration. I would like to add that it was oddly and almost eerily quiet here on Staten Island on Saturday when the good news hit. My family always feel like "outsiders" and we are all very guarded when talking to anyone here since most of the residents here overwhelmingly support "him." Let me get back to listening...
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Ike:

The Fairness Doctrine?! That was never actually enforced, and always went on the honor system. With thousands of times as many media outlets now as there were back then, it's even more unenforceable than ever.
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Efrain:

This is the trade off when you use a “free” platform. If we want a neutral platform then we will need a pay to use service not dependent on ads because when a service is dependent on ads then it will always seek to increase users time spent and therefore push suggestions related to the users’ interests.
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ultradamno:

Boy, he really makes "I agree with that concern" sound like "I don't care"
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Annette Marie:

Facebook DID just end a 330,000 member brand-new group, "Don't Steal the Vote" full of conspiracy theories about the Dems "stealing" this election.
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Webhamster Henry:

FWIW: There is a MeWe WFMU group.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Well, at least one former Oval Office employee was tossed from the Tweeter for saying the heads of some people need to be placed on pikes.
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melinda:

@Efrain good point
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The Butterman:

I say the Zuk hair is fair play! This guy is the biggest douche there is.
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Go Sen Klobuchar!
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Megaroni:

Thank you Techtonic for calling out these crimes ! May justice come for them!
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Carmichael:

If you're not the consumer, you're the product.
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melinda:

That was a good sound of disgust right before the mike banging
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ultradamno:

Your cousin's baby is a socialist.
  6:50pm
The Butterman:

Never been on or even looked at Facebook. I use tech but not that shit. Wife is addicted to looking at it. Mostly makeup vids.
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Webhamster Henry:

MARKED SAFE FROM SOCIALISM
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Ike:

One of the seemingly copycat "Stop the Steal" FB groups was a honeypot that pulled an awesome stunt and changed its name to "Gay Communists for Socialism" after 40k Trumpeters had joined: www.theguardian.com...
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Bas NL:

What would be a good business model for social media?
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Carmichael:

@Bas, GED Match.
  6:54pm
Annette Marie:

Totally get that Facebook's big show of removing Stop the Steal, it's similar to the rich and their pet charities as an excuse to continue raping the planet or war for profit, etc. I totally believe in regulation. We have rules in sports, don't we?
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melinda:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm
hoeg:

"hitting my head on the mic", made my night! thanks:-) bye
  6:57pm
Live Radio:

Do I recall a call-in aspect to this show?
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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Stillwell Coney Islander:

Thank you Mark! For another riveting program
I find it very hard to leave Facebook because of my grandchildren. Maybe one day...
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Thanks Mark!
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melinda:

Aw, I didn't know about Alex, that's sad. What an icon.
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark! This was good Jeremiading!

Be well, Techyons.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, good comments tonight!
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Webhamster Henry:

There's a Jeopardy fan site that has every question in every show ever. www.j-archive.com
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Webhamster Henry:

I used to play the Jeopardy wait theme while waiting for conference calls to connect.
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Webhamster Henry:

Till next time!
  7:04pm
P-90:

Another good one, @Mark. Thanks!
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ARB:

Mark, Thanks for being such a badass. I usually catch you in the archives & your show means a lot to me. I really enjoyed this episode and always appreciate your insight!
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