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Options September 30, 2019: Problems with Juul (and scooters and Tik Tok)

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This week: Problems with Juul (and scooters and Tik Tok)



This week: Juul, scooters, and Tik Tok.

Juul

Part 1 of House Committee on Oversight and Reform: Economic and Consumer Policy subcommittee: "Examining JUUL’s Role in the Youth Nicotine Epidemic" (July 24, 2019): details and video, chaired by Representative Raja Krishnamoorthi (IL). Featuring Meredith Berkman, Co-founder, Parents Against Vaping E-cigarettes; Dr. Robert Jackler, Professor, Stanford; Dr. Raymond Niaura, College of Global Public Health, NYU; Rae O'Leary, Public Health Analyst, Missouri Breaks Industries Research; Dr. Jonathan Winickoff, Member, American Academy of Pediatrics; and Senator Dick Durbin (IL).

Part 2 of House Committee on Oversight and Reform: Economic and Consumer Policy subcommittee: "Examining JUUL’s Role in the Youth Nicotine Epidemic" (July 25, 2019): details and video featuring Ashley Gould, Chief Administration Officer, JUUL Labs; Matthew Myers, President, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids; and James Monsees, Co-founder and Chief Product Officer, JUUL Labs.

• On the JUUL hearings: Juul Funded High Schools, Recruited Social Media Influencers To Reach Youth, House Panel Charges (Forbes, July 25): "Throughout the hearing, Monsees and Gould maintained that Juul never targeted youth and attempted to distance the company from the tobacco industry. 'Put simply, Juul Labs isn't Big Tobacco,' said Monsees, who is also chief product officer. Monsees, alongside cofounder Adam Bowen, became a billionaire in December after tobacco giant Altria acquired a 35% stake in the company to bump its valuation to $38 billion. Forbes estimates his net worth to be $1.1 billion."

Takeaways, according to the House committee website:

• JUUL targeted schools, downplayed the health impacts and encouraged students to use their products. Meredith Berkman, co-founder of Parents Against Vaping E-cigarettes, testified with two young people that JUUL repeatedly called their product “totally safe,” demonstrated how the product worked, and recommended that a nicotine- addicted student use JUUL during a presentation to their 9th grade class, without teachers or parents present.

• Rae O’Leary, of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, testified that JUUL targeted Native American tribes to use as “guinea pigs.” In exchange for a $600,000 investment, JUUL solicited tribal medical professionals to provide their devices to tribal members for free and collect information on the tribal members.

• JUUL is replicating marketing tactics formerly used by Big Tobacco. Dr. Robert Jackler, Stanford University School of Medicine, testified about his conversations with JUUL co-founder James Monsees, who said the use of Stanford’s tobacco advertising database was “very helpful as they designed JUUL’s advertising.”











Juul in the news:

The Promise of Vaping and the Rise of Juul, by Jia Tolentino (New Yorker, May 7, 2018): "Juuls caught on at her [high] school last summer, she [16-year-old] said. Upperclassmen bought them, underclassmen tried them at parties, and suddenly people were Juuling in the cafeteria, charging Juuls on their laptops, and filling their Instagram and Snapchat feeds with Juuling videos and gifs." Dr. Jonathan Winickoff, a pediatrician at Mass General, tells Tolentino: "If you were to design your ideal nicotine-delivery device to addict large numbers of United States kids, you’d invent Juul. It's absolutely unconscionable. The earlier these companies introduce the product to the developing brain, the better the chance they have a lifelong user."

The Disturbing Focus Of Juul's Early Marketing Campaigns (Forbes, Nov 16, 2018): "While Juul acknowledges that some youth (below the age of 18 or 21, depending on the state) use its products, the company has been emphatic that in its three years on the market, the company has never marketed to underage consumers. But a physician and professor at Stanford University who studies tobacco advertising is crying foul. Dr. Robert Jackler, the cofounder of a group called Stanford Research Into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising (SRITA), a Stanford University-affiliated program, says that Juul deleted the vast majority of its social media posts in several waves sometime before September [2018]."

Teen Vaping Didn’t Cool Juul’s Celebrity Push (WSJ, Sept 28): "In May 2018, a month after the FDA launched its probe, Juul created a VIP portal for celebrities on its website, offering codes that let celebrities order vaporizers and refill packs for $1 apiece. Thousands of dollars of essentially free merchandise was sent to stars such as Leonardo DiCaprio and model Bella Hadid."

New Altria Deal Makes Juul Cofounders Billionaires (Forbes, Dec 20, 2018): "Juul Labs’ cofounders, James Monsees and Adam Bowen’s fortunes are set to rise from an estimated $730 million to more than $1.1 billion a piece on news that Altria is taking a 35% stake in Juul Labs at a $38 billion valuation. Bowen is Juul’s chief technology officer and Monsees is chief product officer." That's a long way from James Monsees' 2013 TEDxBrussels talk, a mostly incoherent ramble about stigma, consumer desire, and his enduring apprecation of Stanford's "d.school" and its practice of "design thinking," which he says is "purely just empathy." That's right, Juul was created from empathy!

1 in 4 Youths Has Vaped. Will State Bans Do Anything? (NYT, Sept 17): "Studies show that young people’s use of e-cigarettes has escalated in recent years, with more than one in four youths between the ages of 12 and 17 saying that they recently used an e-cigarette."

At School, ‘Everyone Vapes,’ and Adults Are in Crisis Mode (NYT, Sept 20): "At least 530 people have been sickened by mysterious lung illnesses related to using e-cigarettes with nicotine or vaping THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, and at least eight have died. That has sent high schools, the epicenters of youth vaping, racing to give teenagers a new, urgent message: Vaping can be deadly. ... [At a vaping-prevention program at her school,] one student openly laughed when she heard a widely cited statistic from the 2019 National Youth Tobacco Survey that estimated that one in four youths between the ages of 12 and 17 have tried vaping nicotine or THC at least once. 'Yeah, that's too low,' she said. 'Literally everyone vapes.'" ... see also The Mysterious Vaping Illness That’s ‘Becoming an Epidemic’ (NYT, Aug 30)

Vaping’s other problem: are e-cigarettes creating a recycling disaster? (Guardian, Aug 27): "An estimated 55 million adults will be vaping by 2021, creating millions of devices that will be disposed of improperly." ... A recent "study at 12 San Francisco Bay area high schools found JUUL or JUUL-compatible product waste in the parking lots of 10 out of 12 schools, collecting 172 waste items mainly from mango, mint, and cucumber flavored capsules strewn about the ground."

Juul Tried to Position Itself As a Responsible Actor. It Backfired. (WSJ, Sept 22): "Juul last year developed an anti-vaping program to be presented in elementary and high schools. But an executive inside Juul and public health experts raised concerns that the program was 'eerily similar' to youth- prevention tactics used by R.J. Reynolds and Philip Morris in the 1980s and 1990s ... In August, the FDA received a new set of data. While cigarette smoking had dropped among teens, nearly 28% of high school students said they had used an e-cigarette at least once in the past 30 days, up from 21% a year earlier. The figures also showed a jump in teen use of mint- and menthol- flavored e-cigarettes."

New York Bans Sale of Flavored E-Cigarettes (WSJ, Sept 17) ... Massachusetts Orders 4-Month Ban on Sale of All Vaping Products (NYT, Sept 24) ... see also CDC Reports Rising Incidence of Vaping Injuries (WSJ, Sept 24)

Juul CEO Exits; Altria, Philip Morris End Talks in Vaping Fallout (WSJ, Sept 25): "Juul, which is the target of several federal investigations, replaced Chief Executive Kevin Burns with an executive at Altria, which owns a 35% stake in the e-cigarette maker. ... At an all-hands meeting Wednesday at Juul’s San Francisco offices, the newly anointed boss, Altria veteran K.C. Crosthwaite, told employees his appointment wasn’t a sign that the Marlboro maker was taking over." See also Juul Replaces Its C.E.O. With a Tobacco Executive (NYT, Sept 25)

Federal Prosecutors Conducting Criminal Probe of Juul (WSJ, Sept 23): "Juul has said that its use of paid influencers was short-lived and that it never targeted underage users."

Other news:

Scooters: Electric scooters are now disrupting wrists, elbows and heads (CNet, Nov 28, 2018): "Injured scooter riders are flooding US emergency rooms. Accident rates could be as high as 1,000 per month." More recently, see Electric Scooters Are Sweeping the Country. New York Says Not So Fast (NYT, May 29), which yielded the comments below:



TikTok: How TikTok Holds Our Attention (Jia Tolentino in the New Yorker, Sep 30 issue, emphasis mine): "I was giving TikTok my attention because it was serving me what would retain my attention, and it could do that because it had been designed to perform algorithmic pyrotechnics that were capable of making a half hour pass before I remembered to look away. We have been inadvertently preparing for this experience for years. On YouTube and Twitter and Instagram, recommendation algorithms have been making us feel individually catered to while bending our selfhood into profitable shapes. TikTok favors whatever will hold people’s eyeballs, and it provides the incentives and the tools for people to copy that content with ease. The platform then adjusts its predilections based on the closed loop of data that it has created. This pattern seems relatively trivial when the underlying material concerns shaving cream and Crocs, but it could determine much of our cultural future. The algorithm gives us whatever pleases us, and we, in turn, give the algorithm whatever pleases it. As the circle tightens, we become less and less able to separate algorithmic interests from our own."

• See also Douglas Rushkoff on the auto-tuning of humanity (Sep 23). Douglas is a past Techtonic guest, from January 28 (and past WFMU host).

My Tech Pie on Wake & Bake this morning, about CTRL-labs and its "neural interface." See also deletefacebook.com.

Overview of California's new privacy law - goes into effect in January 2020, thanks to activism by real estate developer Alastair Mactaggart and his team at Californians for Consumer Privacy. More background in this interview (Mozilla's podcast, Aug 29).

Thread on surveillance TVs (so-called "smart" TVs) and recent coverage on them (Arvind Narayanan on Twitter, Sep 27)

• Good discussion about Big Tech at yesterday's Vienna Humanities Festival 2019: Roger McNamee, Evgeny Morozov, Max Schrems and Shalini Randeria (Sep 29). Roger McNamee is a past Techtonic guest, from May 6.

• The protests in Hong Kong continue... under a giant billboard of Apple's latest 3-camera surveillance device:


by Zeynep Tufekci, Sept 28, in Hong Kong


• Tonight's outtro: Greta Thunberg sings Swedish Death Metal. All music written and performed by John Mollusk. Inspired by, and all lyrics by, Greta Thunberg (see original).

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:00pm listener james from westwood:

OMG this front page was the best, esp. that second graf.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:00pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techtonthropists!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:01pm melinda:

Hi everyone
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:01pm Mayuko:

Good evening!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:01pm chresti:

Hello!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicals!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:02pm P-90:

Good Evening, Hurstians
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:03pm ultradamno:

I'm now torn on vaping, on one hand it's bad for you and doesn't even make you look cool, but on the other hand it's annoying the president.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:03pm EG_Astro:

hey everyone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:04pm Webhamster Henry:

Washington Vape-In!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:04pm Dave Miss:

Howdy from the kids in BK
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:04pm Carmichael:

Heya Mark and technophobe realists.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:04pm ultradamno:

Tik Tok? From Return To Oz? Kids DO love him!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:05pm P-90:

Poor Jewel-the-singer, at risk of getting caught in the crossfire
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:06pm Ike:

The singer Jewel is getting a boost lately as radio news stories about Jool jokingly play snippets of her songs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:06pm ultradamno:

3.bp.blogspot.com...
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:06pm John from Florham park:

@P-90 was thinking the same thing:)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:06pm Carmichael:

Unfortunately, so is Jools Holland.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:06pm kevlicki:

Allo all. Getting the chance to listen live today!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:07pm chresti:

I tried Juul, it's kind of like smoking a Bic lighter
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:07pm tim from champaign:

Man, I hate vaping. It's sooooo stupid. Just smoke a real goddamn cigarette. You'll look cooler and you live longer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:08pm EG_Astro:

guh, i can't stand revel scooters
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:08pm Carmichael:

Scooter riders around here are generally uninformed, uncaring assholes.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:08pm queems:

i used to have “adults riding razor scooters” under the “i spend a lot of time thinking about” section on my old okcupid profile
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:08pm Webhamster Henry:

TikTok is addictive! I like the "World of OSHA Violation" guy and all the Strangely Satisfying videos of people putting up wallboard or whatever.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:09pm EG_Astro:

It's a great place for it @queems
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:10pm Listener Robert:

Ultradamno, what's bad for you about vaping? It's like sniffing perfume.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:10pm John from florham park:

Never ridden a scooter and never will
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:10pm queems:

@eg_astro that was like 10 years ago but i’ve never stopped thinking about it
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:10pm Carmichael:

It's a stupid business model, driving and dumping.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:10pm P-90:

@W.Henry -now I’m curious to see these outlaw wallboard videos
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:10pm Sean d:

Nicotine and scooters should be illegal!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:11pm Webhamster Henry:

@ultradamno - Oz's TikTok had the charming feature that his brain and mouth were on different wind up mechanisms so once in a while, his brain would run down while he was talking, so he needed to be wound up again.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:11pm geezerette:

Hey, Mark & all.
Having serious problems with "service" provider. Likely will be kicked off. Hanging as long as possible.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:11pm melinda:

There was an article about a bike store owner and a repo man in San Diego who joined forces and started impounding scooters abandoned on private property. I say good for them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:11pm EG_Astro:

I am always wondering they adults are riding razor scooters.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:12pm geezerette:

There have been injuries and deaths in Santa Monica.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:12pm Carmichael:

I read that article, Melinda. Kudos to that guy who holds them hostage to the company.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:12pm geezerette:

...from scooters...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:13pm ultradamno:

@LR, some apparently include formaldehyde and raise blood pressure. There's some allegations of lung problems too.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:13pm Vanessa bikes:

have you heard about the scooters being thrown in lakes? slate.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:13pm EG_Astro:

@Mark I had someone on an e-scooter run in to me from behind while i was on my bike in brooklyn only to then see them a few blocks up obviously having been hit by a car making a left. I regularly see people hit by cars on e-scooters
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:13pm Webhamster Henry:

TikTok was a mechanical man (the word Robot wasn't around until 1922) - as opposed to the Tin Woodman who was a person whose entire body was replaced with tin parts until there was no meat left. His Meat parts were were kept though - nothing dies in
Oz - and he had a rather disturbing talk with his own head.

Read those Oz sequels, folks- they're a little spotty but contain some amazing things!
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:15pm Listener Robert:

So because a few products have caused some people problems, that means the whole process of warming a substance and inhaling the fumes is bad for you?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:16pm ultradamno:

Also, hit men are evidently using scooters now...and bad people too. www.businessinsider.com...
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:16pm Listener Robert:

Of course people can fall off a scooter and get hurt. How does that compare with bicycles or horses?
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:16pm geezerette:

Melinda, great story!
I've seen middle-aged, not thin adults in "skinny" jeans on these things. No one wears helmets, some people ride them while using their phones, it's a tech plague.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:16pm Micheal:

E-scooters are too dangerous for NYC streets, and I hope they stay illegal.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:17pm L W Rhino:

Give everyone jet-packs and let them have at it !!!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:18pm chresti:

Sounds like they go too fast
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:18pm Bas NL:

Last week i did first aid on two occasions where people fell off their (high end) bicycles. In both cases it was speed related.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:18pm Webhamster Henry:

My ex really messed up her shoulder from falling off a simple Razor scooter.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:19pm JeremyB:

saw plenty of scooters in Brooklyn last Friday. didnt see anyone take a spill but some riders were zipping on the sidewalk around pedestrians without caution.
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:19pm Listener Robert:

Well, duh, if you scoot among pedestrians on a crowded sidewalk you can hurt them. But that's true of bicycling too.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:19pm The Butterman:

Let’s ban roller skates!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:20pm PIUS:

THEY ARE AWFUL
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:20pm Carmichael:

Not only do they go too fast, they ignore every rule of the road.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:20pm melinda:

@LW yeah!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:20pm The Butterman:

Humans are lazy fuckers!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:21pm chresti:

I see more abandoned scooters around griffith park, not actual riders though
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:21pm tim from champaign:

I know nothing about tik-tok.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:21pm melinda:

@geeze “tech plague” is a good term
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:21pm Carmichael:

I know about Tic Tacs, but not Tik Tok.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:21pm queems:

tik tok is how the youngs make memes these days
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:21pm Listener Robert:

Carmichael, "they" must refer to "scooters" as in "persons who scoot". The device itself can't ignore or obey rules of the road, it's not self-driving...yet.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:22pm Jett:

Little tiny breath mints!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:22pm JeremyB:

TikTok "dances" were the bane of our summer camps talent shows this past summer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:24pm tim from champaign:

I don't understand. I'm scared. Damn my luddite ways.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:24pm ultradamno:

Algorithmic Interests is another good band.
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:25pm Listener Robert:

So it would seem the problem with both scooting and vaping is the same. It's not the technology itself, it's how people use it. If you vape something that's bad for you to inhale, that's bad -- but most vapes aren't poison. If you scoot in traffic, you're dangerous -- but most people aren't daredevils.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:26pm Webhamster Henry:

TikTok throws a disclaimer on the more dangerous activities in their videos.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:27pm Carmichael:

In both of your cases, they use those products for their advertised use.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:27pm Webhamster Henry:

If you don't "like" anything, TikTok has no idea what you like #tautologies
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:27pm geezerette:

Invitation to submit. We're being destroyed. Humanity disrupted.
Ability of planet to support life, disrupted.
I'm clinging to hope by my fingernails these days.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:27pm Bas NL:

Desire for addiction.. yeah..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:28pm Webhamster Henry:

Although I bet TikTok also tracks how fast you swipe away.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:28pm geezerette:

No tar, just cancer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:29pm tim from champaign:

The old methadone argument.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:29pm queems:

juuls just make you look like you’re sucking on a usb drive
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:29pm Listener Robert:

What's wrong with "addiction"?
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:29pm queems:

dust in the wind
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:29pm geezerette:

ha!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:30pm woj:

"why be addicted to twitter when you could be addicted to facebook?"
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:30pm L W Rhino:

The Royal family smokes their family jewels !
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:30pm geezerette:

queems, funny!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:31pm John from Florham park:

@Queems just spit soda out:)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:31pm EG_Astro:

They empty juul cartridges litter the ground. I am tempting to collect them
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:32pm JeremyB:

I see the downside... I am gonna say though... vaping only effects the user. cigarette smoke has negative health effects from second hand smoke
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:33pm ultradamno:

Juuling videos may be the most toxic part of this story.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:33pm queems:

@eg_astro i just started collecting them too!!!! i only have one so far LOLOL
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:34pm queems:

i actually only want the colorful caps
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:34pm The Butterman:

I feel bad for my school custodians who have to fish the spent cartridges out of the urinals.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:34pm EG_Astro:

An art installation/project needs to happen!
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:34pm geezerette:

EG_Astro...make juulery !
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:34pm EG_Astro:

haha @geezer
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:35pm queems:

@geezerette LOL that was my eventual plan for real
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:35pm Listener Robert:

But back in the 1970s, public health officials thought that an inhalation device for nicotine was EXACTLY what we needed to solve the smoking problem! Things went off the rails in the 1980s and 1990s when the focus shifted to "addiction" and nicotine as the problem -- which had never been shown to be the case -- rather than smoke.
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:36pm dale:

so where's the outrage against pop tarts and coca cola?
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:36pm The Butterman:

Smug Silicon Valley greedy assholes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:36pm EG_Astro:

I'll keep an eye out for the colorful ones lol
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:37pm Webhamster Henry:

I think there was a 60 Minutes back when the electronic cigs were being developed, mostly to circumvent tobacco regulations.
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:38pm Listener Robert:

BTW, I've vaped just plain flavoring, flavoring + nicotine, and THC. Haven't tried CBD yet.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:38pm queems:

this mumbly jerk
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park:

How effective are those things for inhaling meth, I wonder?
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:39pm L W Rhino:

When I was a kid vaping meant smearing Vicks Vaporub in your nostrils when you had a cold.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:39pm geezerette:

EG_Astro, I'm expecting to see sculpture made of juuls at Deitch gallery any day now.

queems, you know you could sell them. Get 'em ready for Xmas.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Jack-o-lanterns ... cool! Haha!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:41pm queems:

@geezerette i once saw this short video about this artist in philadelphia who made jewelry out of crack vials she found littered around, so this is similar
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:41pm dale:

this woman sounds like she has a gallery of testicles up on her den wall.
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:42pm dale:

was that a celebrity roast?
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:43pm kevlicki:

What an effin D-bag
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:43pm ultradamno:

Willie Nelson is evidently a celebrity influencer (just no Juul involved) www.msn.com...
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:45pm queems:

juul has flavors like juice box and lollipop, wtf do they expect
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:46pm Jett:

Maybe a lot of young people get hooked on it because they are just not smart enough to realize how dangerous smoking is to their health. I don't want to defend Juul, but anyone that decides to use this deadly product has a perfect right to use it. This should not be banned!
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:46pm Listener Robert:

So basically what this implies is that minors should not be allowed to have money. Because if they have money they'll spend it on products and services that people are trying to promote to them. And promoting business to minors is bad.

You've got to convince me that something about the product is itself bad, before I'd accept that promoting it is bad. What's wrong with anybody of any age sucking vapors?
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:46pm PIUS:

Sorry gang - I can’t get behind the fact that Juul influenced kids....
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:47pm dale:

how many of those 25 percent were influenced by peers? ALL advertising that sells something you don't need/want/afford/will kill you is wrong. but the consumer has to take some responsibility for using the product.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:49pm EG_Astro:

children can't take that same responsibility... they're children.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:49pm L W Rhino:

Kids should go back to smoking Prince Albert in a can !!!
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:50pm Listener Robert:

So what? Use circles instead of diamonds, and then they'll look like Lucky Strikes.
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:50pm JakeGould:

“Secondhand Smoke Linked to Secondhand Coolness” www.theonion.com...
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:51pm jt:

..& JUUL design also influenced Marlboro ~!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:51pm chresti:

I started smoking when I was 12
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:53pm dale:

love that r. crumb image at left.
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:53pm Listener Robert:

I was never a smoker, and then I vaped regularly for about a year. Is there something wrong with non-smokers like me taking up vaping?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:53pm chresti:

..and quit when I was 20 something
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:54pm jt:

How is Nicorette chewing gum doing these days?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:54pm ultradamno:

If you were going to ape a cigarette brand, I'd think you'd go for Magna. Their logo looked like a metal band's i.pinimg.com...
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:54pm JakeGould:

Jewel (the singer) really likes to write poems about her breasts.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:54pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Always firmly secure your important System Restore Disk securely to your fridge door with a powerful magnet!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:54pm queems:

oh hi mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:54pm melinda:

In my head I've been pronouncing it "yule"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:55pm Baja Joe:

Captivating stuff Mark. Listened during my drive home. Interesting stuff. I see scooters in Jersey City when I come visit WFMU. They seem to zip around pretty fast.
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:55pm jt:

The scooter riders have ruin Paris, it already pretty bad but made the city impossible! ask any old Parisian person
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:55pm dale:

melinda - HA!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:56pm Carmichael:

I have never smoked tobacco.
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:57pm queems:

scoot responsibly
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:57pm JakeGould:

e-scooters give people the illusion of ease of use. So people get drunk or high and scoot away.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

I can't figure out why anyone under 45 would ever think of smoking anything in any way.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:57pm herb.nyc:

Lower East Side Ecology Center- they do e-waste. Hoo haa!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:57pm queems:

put tracking devices in my pop tarts and i’ll get way mad about it
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:58pm EG_Astro:

Oh I was okay just very confused as I was stopped at a red light, and the scooter rider was alright (up and walking)
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:58pm JakeGould:

Why don’t people get upset at kids listening to rock and roll? Have you ever heard the words of Jim Morrisson? Doyou want that man influencing your vaping pop tart eating children?!?!?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:58pm Carmichael:

Get free of heroin by using methadone.
  🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:58pm Listener Robert:

Huh? So the patches and gum, which have the same biz model, do the same thing, are OK by Hurst?
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:58pm JakeGould:

@herb.nyc: LES ECOLOGY CENTER IS GREAT!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 6:59pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 6:59pm EG_Astro:

thanks mark for the show! have a good night
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:59pm queems:

thx mark!
  Mon. 9/30/19 6:59pm P-90:

“Make America Greta Again”
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 6:59pm dale:

not slighted. in fact i'm flattered that you called me out. we're all addicted to something. is it marketing or psychology?
Avatar Mon. 9/30/19 7:00pm JakeGould:

Is Great facing off against Emperor Palapatine?
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 7:00pm herb.nyc:

@Jake- LESEC is my employer!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 7:00pm ultradamno:

Greta T. seems like the kind of person you could cut in line in front of without consequence.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/30/19 7:00pm EG_Astro:

hurrah for blast beats
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Rock on, Greta!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 7:01pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/30/19 7:03pm Webhamster Henry:

The Greta Death Metal is a good segue to Vocal Fry!
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