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Options September 9, 2019: Arthur Holland Michel, author, "Eyes in the Sky"

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This week: Arthur Holland Michel, author, "Eyes in the Sky: The Secret Rise of Gorgon Stare and How It Will Watch Us All."



Pointers:

Eyes in the Sky: The Secret Rise of Gorgon Stare and How It Will Watch Us All (book)

@WriteArthur (Twitter)

Center for the Study of the Drone, Bard College, where Arthur is co-director.

Recent news:

50 U.S. states and territories announce broad antitrust investigation of Google (Washington Post, today): Only California and Alabama have not signed onto the probe.

Siva Vaidhyanathan on Twitter yesterday on Joi Ito's resignation from the Media Lab, and Larry Lessig's defense of Ito. Siva was on the show in June 2018.

Hong Kong’s Leader, Carrie Lam, to Withdraw Extradition Bill That Ignited Protests (NYT, Sep 4)

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  On the aerial surveillance above your head right now: Arthur Holland Michel talks about his book "Eyes in the Sky: The Secret Rise of Gorgon Stare and How It Will Watch Us All."
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 5:37pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! The Techs-Rayed From Above!

Eyes In The Sky panel on C-Span: www.cato.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 5:59pm Webhamster Henry:

Hello Mark & Friends! Here's another fun tale of "are they using my personal info to sell me something or what?"
www.buzzfeednews.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:00pm queems:

howdy mark & folks
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:00pm annie:

present!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:01pm chresti:

Here! Lay it on us Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:02pm Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonicpeeps!
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:02pm Fredericks:

Ola, Techtones.
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:03pm John from Florham park:

Hello all technoids
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:03pm herb.nyc:

"a shit to the digital future"? sorry.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:03pm queems:

how has it been 3 freakin years since this show started
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:03pm chresti:

Owls watch us, too
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:03pm Fredericks:

Pronounced with Spanish accent.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:03pm ultradamno:

How tainted gold may have ended up in your iphone (The Weekly preview) www.nytimes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

Show 100, a/k/a 0x64
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:04pm Fredericks:

It's nuts, Queems.
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:04pm John from Florham park:

@Queems time flies with a show like this
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:05pm annie:

seems like just a few months, but it's nice to know it's been so long!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:05pm ultradamno:

@chresti I've heard they are not what they seem. I think it was a log that told me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:05pm chresti:

grim is in
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:05pm queems:

oh good i can't wait for a brand new reason for anxiety
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:06pm John from Florham park:

@Annie this is one of these programs that I go out of my way to listen too
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:06pm chresti:

logs watch us too @ultra
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:06pm Fredericks:

Now we have to make our rooves look nice for the neighbors?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:07pm queems:

"what is your problem alabama" should be their state motto
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:07pm John from Florham park:

Wonder how long they keep the chat logs for this station?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:07pm annie:

Valerie plame is running for congress?!!
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:08pm John from Florham park:

@Queems Alabama is not known for their smarts
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:08pm chresti:

No surprising- california is tech's oyster
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:12pm chresti:

*not
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:12pm ultradamno:

I assume moral compasses are off the table, do you have a second choice?
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:12pm The Butterman:

I like good tech news.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:15pm Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i usually throw up other things in despair :)
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:16pm Stashu:

Thank you, Mark!!!!!!
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:16pm Fredericks:

Wasn't Gorgon a Marvel super-villian?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:16pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Dr. Mark and all. Ready for my weekly Techtoscopy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:17pm ultradamno:

I thought they (gorgons) were a couple of girls with hair issues.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:18pm ultradamno:

One of their cousins, I think www.californiaherps.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:18pm Mark Hurst:

Hi DJ Stashu! Hi Ken from HP! Ultra! Granny! Chresti! Bas! Queems! Webham! Annie! Chresti! JfFP! Fredericks! herb!
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:18pm Fredericks:

This is like Bentham's Panopticon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:19pm queems:

wow yeah i hate this just as much as i expected
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:19pm Mark Hurst:

@queems sorry I think my wording was kinda weird. We're starting year 3 but just finished 2 years. (show started in Sep 2017)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:20pm ultradamno:

There is a Marvel character (an Inhuman), whose issues are more shoe related en.wikipedia.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:20pm queems:

@mark that's still a goshdarn long time
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:20pm northguineahills:

The Gorgons were Medusa and her sisters. Medusa was the most beautiful woman in the world. and Zeus took notice, so, Hera cursed all of them.

So, in order to combat a Gorgon, you need a Theseus.
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:21pm John from Florham park:

@Queems more I listen too this show the more paranoid I get and I am not one of those Alex Jones type people
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:22pm Fredericks:

[img]proxy.duckduckgo.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:22pm Mark Hurst:

@queems true, 100 shows, whoa. But in another way it's sorta flown by.
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:22pm tak:

gene hackerman
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:22pm Webhamster Henry:

My kind of uneasy opinion (express on my Techtonic interview) is if there's big eye in the sky, everyone should have access to it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:23pm ultradamno:

Was Enemy of the State really a blockbuster? NSA didn't like it www.businessinsider.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:23pm Mark Hurst:

@John I know how that feels - though I'm trying to latch onto good news (hence the news segment this evening) to remind myself that *good* change is also possible.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:23pm chris:

hi, Mark and everyone. here listening and growing increasingly anxious... also, re that iran missle blowing up and a tweet by the orange one... watch this later... www.youtube.com...
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:23pm Sam:

Nice going Will Smith
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:24pm queems:

@mark the first time i heard this show i was in a stop and shop parking lot and i was like oh no, not a TECHNOLOGY SHOW. but then the guest said that he was telling his kid not to call the alexa "she" because it's not alive and i was like ok go on, i'm listening
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:24pm Bas NL:

Hollywood has too many cameras..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:25pm Webhamster Henry:

Gorgon is an inaccurate name though; "gorgon stares" turn people to stone; However, Argus had 100 eyes and was turned into a peacock by Hera. The NSA grabbed the name Argus, I think.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:25pm Mark Hurst:

@queems ahh yes, the very first episode, featuring Meetup founder Scott Heiferman - "Alexa doesn't love you."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:26pm queems:

oh, so that was the actual first episode!! wow, time flies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:26pm chresti:

Should I start wearing a steel bowl hat? Or is a cone better?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:27pm Mark Hurst:

@chresti probably the broadest-brim hat you can get. Like wear a hoop skirt on your head and the camera will have trouble getting an ID on you from any angle :)
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:28pm Sam:

Don’t we have a constitutional right to privacy?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:28pm Mark Hurst:

@chris will take a look, thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:28pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi folks, repeat after me:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The 4th amendment basically states "no fishing expeditions."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:28pm annie:

my walk is so distinctive, i may have to use a sombrero
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:29pm chresti:

Haha Mark! You would think@Sam
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:29pm Mark Hurst:

@Webham thanks for the clarification - @Sam, there's your (summary) answer
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:29pm Sam:

Yes Annie but then you’ll be the only one with a sombrero so they’ll know it’s you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:29pm Mark Hurst:

@annie, maybe study Monty Python's ministry of silly walks
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Yeah see - couple it with mobile drones & killer robot police / soldiers...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:30pm Mark Hurst:

what if the Urban Sombrero became popular and everyone started wearing them? just an idea
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:30pm John from Florham park:

@mark was waiting for someone to mention that
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:30pm tak:

a hat with a huge mirror facing upwards
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:31pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Aerial camera that discovered something interesting: www.hightimes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:31pm annie:

i prefer the sillywalk... time to adapt, folks!!
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:31pm Sam:

Or we could all wear those hats with the beer on top and a straw leading to your mouth.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:31pm Mark Hurst:

@John kids these days, they don't watch the seinfeld enough. it's all "Office" and "Friends" references
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:33pm John from Florham park:

@mark gotcha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:34pm ultradamno:

Never mind hats, I'll take a tinfoil hazmat suit pbs.twimg.com...
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:34pm Sam:

It could be a great tool to suppress voter turnout in certain selected areas.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:34pm annie:

long time ago, back where i lived, a man was eventually tracked down by the GPS his wife had secretly installed in their SUV to locate the i;;icit activities he was involved in.. he had murdered a girl he was "bothering... he choked her and left her by the road... the gps was his undoing
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:35pm annie:

sam, ... yep.. right on!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:35pm Carmichael:

You gotta love the Drake.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:37pm chresti:

Mylar sombrero, with a chrome pinwheel on top
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:37pm chris:

Sam, no need. there's facebook for that. watch The Great Hack on netflix
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:38pm annie:

the thing that gets me: all the camera work involved, all the footage... how can "they" get away with "the camera stopped.."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Digital Bill of No Rights
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:38pm chresti:

Tinsel cape
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:38pm Bas NL:

You down there! Stop picking your nose!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:39pm annie:

so.... sombreros for all!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:39pm Mark Hurst:

@annie I saw this story last weekend (gotta look it up) about defense attorneys totally overloaded with (police) body camera footage, which is admitted as evidence - they have no time to review all the hours of footage!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:40pm chresti:

..with pockets for ice packs @ultra
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:40pm Mark Hurst:

@Bas heh - all they need is a giant loudspeaker on those things, and we'll have the full telescreen from Orwell's 1984
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:40pm annie:

did they have no idea how much was involved with having to archive all this footage???
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:40pm Bic Lighter:

Is that a Baltimore accent? The machine should have told me by now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:40pm ultradamno:

The word 'fusion' makes nothing better.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park:

We'll evolve into C.H.U.D. people to avoid the cameras.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:41pm chris:

if it were my specialty, i'd love to create open source software to help defense attorneys find key moments in body-cam footage very quickly...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:41pm Mark Hurst:

@annie I think the defense attorneys didn't ask for it - they're just trying to bear up under the load of what's handed to them (but I gotta find the article & get the detail)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:41pm Mark Hurst:

@chris great project idea.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:41pm Carmichael:

Has the Cloaking Device been fully developed?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:42pm annie:

please share if you are able, mark
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:44pm Bic Lighter:

Facebook isn't optional at the border. No account flags you for further investigation. Everyone needs a sock account.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:44pm annie:

i can see someone coming out with a device which can sheild us... charging us many dollars for the service
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:44pm Mark Hurst:

Found it! "Police body cameras are capturing so much footage it’s driving some defense attorneys to quit": www.pilotonline.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@annie: ...who has dinner & a drink w/ the creator(s) of the hazard...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:45pm Mark Hurst:

@Bic Lighter that's nuts
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:45pm annie:

saved the link mark, thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:46pm Smokestack:

Don't worry, fellow citizens. There's no need to fear the eye in the sky if you've got nothing to hide...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:46pm Mark Hurst:

@Smokestack exactly
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:46pm Bic Lighter:

@Mark, I'm not joking. Best to have a complete dummy phone when traveling.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:47pm Peanut Gallery:

Mark Germino & the Sluggers "Radartown"...think about it, won't you?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:47pm Mark Hurst:

@Bic Lighter wait 'til we need a spare set of DNA to input into the scanners
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:47pm annie:

i use a tracfone....not sure at all how much it's tracked
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:47pm Bic Lighter:

Not minimally participating in social media or big tech surveillance systems makes you a target.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:48pm Mark Hurst:

@annie recent tracfones run Google's Android OS (sorry)
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:48pm Bic Lighter:

@Mark I think the fake DNA was part of a movie...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I too use a tracfone.
...It's called - a tracfone...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:48pm Webhamster Henry:

There was kind of a plot point on the last season of ELEMENTARY (and of course MINORITY REPORT) where AI's predict future crimes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:48pm annie:

i still just have a flipphone
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:49pm Bic Lighter:

Gattaca!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:49pm Webhamster Henry:

Except MINORITY REPORT used psychics and not AIs!
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:49pm JakeGould:

*cough* “Minority Report” *cough*
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:49pm ultradamno:

Minority Report, wtih Will Smith's buddy Tom Cruise.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:50pm annie:

i will never get a "smart" phone
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:50pm Bic Lighter:

In Gattaca having some fake to distribute DNA was important
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:51pm Bic Lighter:

@annie get a Potemkin Village smartphone....again, if you don't have one, officials will think you're hiding it
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:51pm annie:

mark, thanks for the show today!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:52pm ultradamno:

Pretty sweet deal for the pre-cogs though, just lounging around in hot tub all day.
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:52pm JakeGould:

@Annie: Having a flip phone is irrelevant to the surveillance described here. A smartphone allows you to have the Internet in your pocket and—thus—means that anyone with a service you use on that phone can track you.

Cell phone towers constantly track connection data and that data can be used to track you no matter how “dumb” the phone is. Read up on what a Stingray device is. This predates social media.

en.wikipedia.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:53pm annie:

i can dig that, jake, but it's the least involvement i want to use..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:53pm Carmichael:

Tower pinging is a tried and true technology for triangulating a cell phone.
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:54pm Bic Lighter:

I'm going with the classic tin foil hat
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:54pm Webhamster Henry:

Wear a bowler or straw hat like all the other workers! prohibition.themobmuseum.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:55pm Folsom:

there is a comic book about everyone wearing costumes when going out because privacy is too important, they had electronic cloaking masks/clothes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:55pm annie:

or!!! just gat a regular land-line.. no cellphone
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:55pm tak:

Private Eye. it's very cool
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:55pm Peanut Gallery:

www.youtube.com...
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:55pm JakeGould:

Also, retail stores have some fairly sophisticated people tracking tech. No cell phone needed! You are being profiled via visual deep learning tech.
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:56pm Sean from Iowa:

Instructions will be issued via your smart device... I mean come on....
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:56pm JakeGould:

Here is some info on retail people tracking. www.cnbc.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:56pm Webhamster Henry:

You need a scramblesuit like in A SCANNER DARKLY.
  Mon. 9/9/19 6:56pm Sean from Iowa:

Electric shocks as well
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:56pm Bas NL:

Dr. Who had a great episode on people controlled by mobile devices..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:57pm queems:

i love this song so much
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

I thought you'd play "Every Step You Take".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:57pm ultradamno:

Not TV Eye?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:57pm chresti:

That's it webhamster
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:58pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Arthur! And hey, hey, HEY.. Let's be careful out there!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:58pm ultradamno:

Or Alan Parsons' Eye in the Sky
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:58pm Webhamster Henry:

Or rather Breath.... but whatevs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:58pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 6:58pm Bic Lighter:

Tailoring a tin foil suit here
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 6:59pm Webhamster Henry:

Thanks Mark. Now gargling for a Vocal Fry Singalong.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 9/9/19 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park:

My nose was just itchy. Honest!
  Mon. 9/9/19 7:00pm Sam:

I know you are Webhamster Henry. I’m watching you do it.
Avatar Mon. 9/9/19 7:00pm Bic Lighter:

I heard that lemon juice will defeat the face scanners
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 7:00pm Folsom:

@tak thanks, The Private Eye was the comic, couldn't remember the title.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 9/9/19 7:00pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, great comment board this evening! See you next week.
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