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Options September 25, 2016: Julius Eastman's "Femenine" & other news

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Artist Track Album Label Year Comments
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble  Tatas-Matoes   Options Congliptious  Nessa  1968   
Music behind DJ:
Sun Ra 
The Perfect Man   Options My Brother the Wind, Vol. I  Evidence  1970   
Cossi Anatz  Al Coltrane   Options Jazz Afro-Occitan  Disques Vendémiaire  1975   
Andrew Cyrille Quartet  Coltrane Time   Options The Declaration of Musical Independence  ECM  2016   
John Coltrane  Blues to Elvin   Options Coltrane Plays the Blues  Atlantic  1960   
Ellery Eskelin Trio  I Don't Stand a Ghost of a Chance with You   Options Trio Willisau: Live  hatOLOGY  2016   
Kirk Knuffke  Elephant Boat   Options Little Cross  SteepleChase  2016   
Music behind DJ:
Booker T. & The MGs 
Melting Pot   Options        
Ilitch  Sequence 1   Options Periodik Mindtrouble  Oxygène  1978   
Syrinx  Hollywood Dream Trip   Options Syrinx  True North  1970  RE: RVNG (Tumblers from the Vault, 2016) 
Ricardo Dias Gomes  Reviver e Renovar   Options -11  [self-released]  2015   
Paul Plimley  Ripple by Drops Magnified   Options Past * Piano * Present: Live at Western Front 1985-2015  Western Front  1985/2016   
Music behind DJ:
Natural Food 
Granny on the Gramophone   Options        
Julius Eastman / SEM Ensemble  Femenine   Options Femenine  frozen reeds  1974/2016   
Music behind DJ:
Mouse on Mars 
Fantastic Analysis   Options        
Dave Holland/Sam Rivers  Waterfall   Options Dave Holland/Sam Rivers  IAI  1976   
John White  Autumn Countdown Machine   Options Machine Music  Obscure  1978   
Slavic Soul Party!  Bluebird of Dehli (sic)   Options Plays Duke Ellington's Far East Suite  Ropeadope  2016   
Mary Halvorson Octet  Fog Bank   Options Away with You  Firehouse 12  2016   
Music behind DJ:
Dudu Pukwana & Spear 
Flute Music   Options Flute Music  Firehouse 12  2016   

Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 9:02am fred:

Good morning Jeff, Out looks like a good place to aim for right now. Not in the real world though: those clouds are dark and threatening
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:03am listener james from westwood:

Happy Sunday and happy first autumn D:O, all!
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:04am Jeff Golick:

Clear skies here, @fred. Welcome.
And happy Sunday/autumn to you, @listener james.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:05am Jeff Golick:

Let me know if the levels are wonky today, gents? New set up, sorta.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:06am listener james from westwood:

There's the mic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:19am doctorjazz:

Hi all, nice to hear more Trane -inspired music...
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:21am Jeff Golick:

Good morning, @doctorjazz!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:25am doctorjazz:

And, the man himself, Ozzie approves!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 9:26am fred:

The sun is making an appearance. But I'll stay in and keep listening: that's the kind of weather trap where a downpour would happen when I'm like 30+ minutes from shelter
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:27am Jeff Golick:

Gotta make the dog happy, @doctorjazz.

@fred: appreciate your priorities/sensibility. Trane makes the sun come out, is the only conclusion I can draw.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:29am doctorjazz:

Sound is fine on my end, phone to headphones through the app.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:29am Jeff Golick:

Oh, good; thanks a lot, @doctorjazz.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:30am Brian in UK:

Lawd and I thought the British talked about the weather muchly.

Coltrane '59 - '62 is such a friendly, come in and sit yourself down and be my friend for life sound.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:33am Jeff Golick:

@Brian in UK: it's all we have to unify us until November. Let us have it, please. And welcome.

Agreed re Coltrane late Atlantic/early Impulse years. Johnny Hartman!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:37am doctorjazz:

Now I'm going to nitpick the sound a bit... Just got a new phone, could be on my end, but the Eskelin sounds like it's in mono...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:37am Brian in UK:

Jeff I loves this time of year, I am lucky to work where there are some old trees like copper beeches and horse chestnuts and there is the space to see them.
There were a few mushrooms appearing in the woods today when I was walking Spencer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 9:38am fred:

Rosas will have a new take of A Love Supreme with younger dancers. My favorite dancer of all time (Cynthia Loemij) got closest to Coltrane in the original version. I hope I can get beyond that and appreciate this performance.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:38am Brian in UK:

@doctorjazz it is a bit of a mono sentiment.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:39am doctorjazz:

Beautiful here in the Jersey burbs.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:40am Jeff Golick:

@doctorjazz: hm. I'll have to keep an eye on that.
@Brian: I loves me some autumn trees, too (sez the New Englander)
@fred: I am woefully ig'nant of dance. It's almost too much for me to bear.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:46am Polyus:

Heya Jeff. Rainy morning in the Upper Midwest, that last track captured the vibe perfectly.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:49am Gary:

Hey, I didn't miss it?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 9:49am coelacanth:

'morning Jeff and Outies
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:50am Jeff Golick:

Hey, @Polyus; greetings!
@Gary! No way! You are it!
@coelacanth: good morning, good MORning!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 9:52am fred:

Ilitch! Thanks so much for playing him
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:55am Jeff Golick:

Happy to, @fred. I am new to him - what can you tell me?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 9:56am melinda:

Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:57am Jeff Golick:

Heyo, it's @Melinda!
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 9:58am Gary:

@Jeff I meant the Julius Eastman album ... and, btw, I just googled that Sryinx album, how did you find it, it looks super freaky!
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:00am Jeff Golick:

@Gary: RVNG reissue: rvng.bandcamp.com... - highly recommended!
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:04am Gary:

Ah, Bandcamp, my home away from home
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 10:04am fred:

@Jeff: Thierry Müller has used a bunch of names, mainly Ruth and Ilitch. His defunct Dildo project is on the FMA. He's been struggling financially lately, so every play that puts his name out there helps. The Superior Viaduct reissues were helpful too
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 10:04am doctorjazz:

This Plimly track is really nice...
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:05am Jeff Golick:

@fred: thanks so much. I'm sure I came to him by way of the reissues, and there was a list of some sort that really piqued my interest. LISTS: where would we be without them.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:06am Jeff Golick:

@doctorjazz; there's also an Anthony Davis piece from this comp. that you would enjoy, I think. We'll get there...
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:07am Gary:

Block represent!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 10:08am fred:

@Jeff: Yeah, he was on one of the Nurse With Wound lists
  Sun. 9/25/16 10:08am frozen reeds:

Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 10:15am fred:

Thierry also played on Daniel Blumin's show a while ago: wfmu.org...
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:16am Jeff Golick:

@frozen reeds: aw yeah.

@fred: very cool, @fred. Thanks.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:22am Jeff Golick:

Some reading, if you're interested, while listening:
Guardian: www.theguardian.com...

Pitchfork: pitchfork.com...

NYer: www.newyorker.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 10:29am Brian in UK:

Jeff, the Guardian article mentions Julius Eastman singing Peter Maxwell Davis' Eight Songs for a Mad King. A truely remarkable work. I saw the world premiere on April 22 1969 in London with Roy Hart as the reciter, as the programme notes state. The musicians were in individual bird cages and played as George 111 (the mad king) performed the songs) It was quite startling for this seventeen year old.
What I am trying to say is that Julius Eastman's scope must have been wide ranging.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:31am Jeff Golick:

Wow, @Brian. Just, wow.

And yeah, I'm reminded of the line in a recent Beyonce song: "I'm just too much for you." I think Eastman was perhaps too much for us.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 10:32am fred:

This is really great. How many other composers did we lose because we were too prejudiced to hear them?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 10:40am Brian in UK:

@fred later that year I saw Eight Songs again along with a first of Maxwell Davis' Vesalii Icones based on Vesalius positions of Christ on the cross. The dancer was William Lowther whom you might know. It was my first introduction to dance and might have spoiled me for a while it was so strong.

Just remembered I was sixteen not seventeen!
  Sun. 9/25/16 10:42am Dean:

What a privilege to have attended premieres of Maxwell Davies' works.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 10:44am fred:

I wish I had heard this earlier, when I could have asked Boulez about him
  Sun. 9/25/16 10:44am doctorjazz:

gotta go for now, catch up on the archives, thanks for the fine music, Jeff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 10:46am Brian in UK:

@Dean I was too young and daft to fully realise it then. Emotionally it was powerful though. Saw the Stones in the Park the same year. They were a poor second.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 10:48am fred:

@Brian: I don't know William Lowther. My initial interest in dance came from a strong interest in girls who were dance fans back in high school. I did learn a lot since then, but on the go, without any formal structure
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 10:51am Brian in UK:

Typo it is Louther not Lowther.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:54am Jeff Golick:

Bye-ya, @doctorjazz!
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:54am Jeff Golick:

Really enjoying the high-level cultural chatter on here.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:55am Jeff Golick:

At sixteen I saw the Thompson Twins and OMD.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 10:56am Brian in UK:

This piece seems to be looking upwards constantly.
  Sun. 9/25/16 10:56am Dean:

Had to do a double-take in the Pitchfork piece. It mentions that "[e]ach member [in the SEM Ensemble] had a digital clock..." and I'm thinking, "In 1974?!" Of course, it means a clock with a digital display, a display consisting of digits.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 10:56am Gary:

I'd love to read about the clash between Eastman and Cage ... what happened?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:01am fred:

@Jeff: At 16 I saw a show with U2, UB40 and The Pogues, you were so ahead of me
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:01am Jeff Golick:

@Gary, from the Guardian: "Yet, as an out gay black man working in a predominantly straight white environment, Eastman grew progressively more uncomfortable. In a pivotal SEM performance of John Cage’s Song Books in June 1975, with Cage present, Eastman staged a lecture on “a new system of love” in which he undressed a male volunteer (possibly his boyfriend), while making sexual overtures in acrobatic baritone. Cage was furious.

“Julius tried to ‘out’ Cage,” Di Pietro says. “He said, I hate that Cage never speaks about sex. But he regretted it because Cage was so angry. Julius was deeply divided.”

“Cage thought it was a parody of him,” says SEM co-founder Petr Kotik. “It was a huge scandal. "
  Sun. 9/25/16 11:02am Dean:

Another double-take: the 2015 collection, Gay Guerilla: Julius Eastman and His Music, is from the extensive series, Eastman Studies in Music. Wait. There's a series devoted to this relatively unknown musician? Uhm, duh. Eastman School of Music, Rochester, NY.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:02am Jeff Golick:

Belated HELLO, @Dean. I had a similar reaction to the mention of the digital clocks.
  Sun. 9/25/16 11:05am Dean:

Hello, and good to have you and D:O back!
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:06am Jeff Golick:

Thanks, @Dean. Is the Eastman School really the same Eastman?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:06am fred:

@Dean: these days, you'd better make anything extensive and yuge. Coming days might be worse
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:08am glenn:

it's probably the eastman as in eastman kodak, given that it's in rochester.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:10am fred:

Should I legally change my name to Harvard if I ever write music?
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:11am Jeff Golick:

Hiya, @glenn. Of course that's it. Duh's on me!
  Sun. 9/25/16 11:13am Dean:

I assume the coincidence of names is just that. The Eastman School is almost 100 years old. Founder George Eastman. Yes, that Eastman, the one that spawned Linda.

@fred: Well, series of academic books grow extensive because academics need to publish and reputable publishers attract lots of academics. Funny you mention Harvard. I was on the board of trustees of my undergraduate college when the president at the time proposed changing the name from ... College to ... University, despite the fact that the college had virtually none of the trappings of a real university. His rationale was that other colleges were doing the same, that it served the institution's reputation. I commented, "Why don't you just change the name to Harvard, then?" He was not amused, but the name change never occurred.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 11:14am Brian in UK:

@Jeff think I am doing things in reverse to you. Going to see You, Me at Six. Yes I know, never heard of them. A friend of mine taught the drummer many years ago and this might be my first comp tickets. Might need earplugs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:18am fred:

@Dean: I know all too well about the quirks of academia. I'm just a technician there, meaning I have the proverbial janitor's view of the schoolyard politics at play in "higher learning"
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:18am Jeff Golick:

@Brian: I prefer to refer to them as You Meat Six.
  Sun. 9/25/16 11:25am Dean:

@fred: I am similarly situated, and I prefer it this way. As for the "janitor's view," of late my colleagues and I have been monitoring a particular restroom, I kid you not, in which somebody repeatedly stuffs mountains of t.p. in one of the toilets.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:27am Gary:

That was lovely
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:28am coelacanth:

for me that didn't seem like much when it started,
but, Wow...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:30am fred:

@Dean: I'd hate to snitch, but do you have a topology department?
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:31am Jeff Golick:

Glad you hung around for it, @Gary & @coelacanth! Really does build. Forgot to mention that the sleigh bells were automated.
  Sun. 9/25/16 11:33am Dean:

Just searched NYT for "julius eastman." There are 140 articles published between 1961 and the present. Some are ads, e.g., a Feb. '69 program at Carnegie Recital Hall featuring works by Eastman, Webern, Rands, et al. Lukas Foss prepared it. Admission? $3.00.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:34am Jeff Golick:

"Those were different times..."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:37am coelacanth:

i read that about the sleigh bells. pretty cool.
...and i'm all about the long evolutions, so i'd never not stick around to see what happens... especially if you're playing it.
  Sun. 9/25/16 11:39am Dean:

@fred: Are you suggesting the vandalism is in fact submission of a dissertation?
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:39am Jeff Golick:

Thanks for that vote of confidence, @coel. It helps knowing that y'all have huge, courageous ears. The best ears.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Hell of a duet.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:42am Jeff Golick:

Hey there, @Revolution Rabbit Nov63! Yeah. They recorded four sides' worth at this session, all wonderful.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:42am Jeff Golick:

@ljfw, if you're there: how would you punctuate "four sides' worth"?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:44am fred:

@Dean: Are you suggesting there is a difference?
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:45am Gary:

Automated sleigh bells! Okay, I gotta head off for some chow -- thanks for the terrific show, Jeff
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:46am Jeff Golick:

Thanks for being here now, @Gary! Chow/ciao down.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 11:50am Brian in UK:

Back to work tomorrow after a wonderful break (with unplanned backache as the hors d'oeuvres) Ah Mondays.

Great Julius Eastman snadwich show, Jeff.
(kept the typo in)

PS how is the Jeff J doing?
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:52am listener james from westwood:

Can we pass a hat to get another three glorious hours? This is keeping my blood pressure down amid a multiply stressed Sunday!
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:53am Jeff Golick:

@Brian: Jeff J is doing well, with a new novella just out from Kiddiepunk, NOVI SAD. Also, we have a session tomorrow night to record a new D:O show, devoted to British folk n jazz. He also hosted Battle Trance down in Charlotte, North Carolina, which by all accounts was a transforming experience.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:54am fred:

@James: I'd be all for it, but with that new setup it might be trading your pressure for his
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:55am Jeff Golick:

Mmm-hmmm. Still not satisfied with how it's sounding, but not gonna mess to much with it. Better audible than not.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 11:57am fred:

@Jeff: Good enough to blow my mind with that Julius Eastman set. You got it right enough
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 11:58am Brian in UK:

In lieu of not much. Did there used to be a band called the Firehouse Five plus Two? Possibly made up of Walt Disney employees.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 11:59am Jeff Golick:

Awesome; so glad to hear it, @fred.

Gonna have to dig deeper to answer that one, @Brian.
  Sun. 9/25/16 11:59am Dean:

Something like that. I think they actually performed at Disneyland.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Sun. 9/25/16 12:02pm Brian in UK:

Jeff, step away from the shovel.

Dean there is so much STUFF in this cranium, wish I had worked at skool.

Have a great week everyone.
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 12:02pm listener james from westwood:

Well I will be happy with the three fine hours of today's show! Always glad to have you on!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 9/25/16 12:05pm coelacanth:

Thanks Jeff for another Stellar program!

tchau comrades
Avatar Sun. 9/25/16 12:06pm Jeff Golick:

Aw yeah thanks for the great company, as per usual.
See you next time, if not sooner.
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