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Options January 7, 2014: Have You Seen Her?

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Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:10pm Mike East:

I'm thinkin' about buying a telecaster deluxe. Chelsea Guitars has a pretty sweet one I got my eye on.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I never wanted a Tele - unless maybe to get a fuzzbox & pretend I'm Jeff Beck in the Yardbirds. Want a Strat of some kind. Having said that - the idea that you can fiddle w/ the pickup settings on a Strat & make it a Tele is probably not completely true.
(...I'm frankly listening to News but reading here - so if my participation is lop-sided I apologize...)
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:16pm Chris M.:

really hard to find a fuzz pedal that really captures that classic tone. there are tons of fuzz pedals but i'm not aware of any that really sound like those old Kinks records.
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:18pm Chris M.:

maybe zvex. they're pretty versatile.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Dave Davies famously slit his speakers & stuck pins in them & things - right before fuzzboxes became available w/ the Yardbirds & stuff - so not surprising Chris M - right? Listening to 'Well Respected Kinks' album lately - & the tones pretty unique - & killin' awlright...But the mikes, tubes, board - *amps* - *none* of that is what it was 50 years ago...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:19pm Mike East:

Here was my setup on New Years Day:
guitar: tuner: A/B box - (A: Volume pedal a/b box -a= sub b=TrekII pedal: Leslie 147) B: Ibanez Tube Screamer: Boss DD7 (delay): Boss CE1 (old ass stereo Chorus Ensemble pedal) : L= Deluxe Reverb R= Hotrod Devile 4x10
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:19pm Marcel M:

Its better to get a boutique clone of a vintage pedal. Vintage pedals are not made as well.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- the Vintage pedals were highly variable - not uniform, no?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:20pm Mike East:

Love the Rat pedal. Boss DS1(orange distortion) could take or leave.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:21pm Marcel M:

The RAT is considered a FUZZ is it not?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:21pm steve:

Chris M - i think about things like that as well, and knowing a bit about electronics (and how dumb-simple the circuits in most guitar pedals are), i wonder if that "classic tone" has as much to do with the production and mastering (subtle nuances of various stages of preamps, buffers, eq, compression, etc) as with the chain from guitar to amp
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:22pm Chris M.:

@revolution and @steve - that's all true. the really raspy fuzz sounds on early records are the holy grail because they weren't achieved with a pedal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:23pm Greg from Bloomfield:

Wish I could help, but I'm a drummer. Sorry, Chris!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- there was this one box they had in Britain very early on that gave a treble boost - heard on Clapton's solo on Yardbird's 'Certain Girl'.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:24pm Mike East:

I use this Ibanez Fuzz pedal sometimes, but when you stomp it, it cuts out for a second...which is bullshit.
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:24pm Guido (Cologne):

old tape recorder with monitor output and high gain
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- & by the time you get to Hendrix - nothing is 'off the shelf' - & he's got Roger Meyer (ex Navy radar tech.!) making things *to order* - amps rewired - speakers replaced - on & on...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:25pm Marcel M:

There are so many companies making boutique clones of old pedals now
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:26pm dale:

bud should get his wife a blender. women love that sort of stuff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Marcel M: Don't know much but that sounds right.
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:33pm Charlie:

Chris...I am a first time listeners via the tunein app. I am in Clifton NJ and you are playing some awesome stuff right now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- okay listening - almost sounded like a talkbox !...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I'm intrigued by the Univibe effect !
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...like Jimi & Trower use(d)...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:38pm steve:

Chris M - are we talking about tubes re: early guitars on record? im curious. i know electronics (mostly synths and preamps) but not guitar. that makes me wonder why they don't put those same circuits into pedals or rack units... ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:39pm Mike East:

Rudy's is still on 48th, I think. Sam ash moved to 34th and they ate up Manny's years ago
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:40pm Chris in FiDi:

Making me very nostalgic for playing guitar. I had that Ventures record. Got great fuzz with my Supro amp
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- there's all the Digital stuff in Guitar Amps now that aims to simulate any Tube effect you want - but Tubes give the Warmth & Overdrive in a certain way...
- This is why the trend has gone back to small amps that Overdrive like the Old Records
-also P.A.s got better - & big amps aren't needed like before...
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:42pm Fuzzy:

Fuzzy (!) sez: Greenbaum for the win!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...Tubes are like an early-mid-20thCentury technology - totally outdated except for these weird people making sound; very environmentally bad to produce - ??...
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:44pm Fuzzy:

Oh yeah, baby! Forgot about that awesome Butterfly fuzz tone!
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:45pm Robert:

I was over that ground in my phone call last week. The m.c. said the show itself was not supposed to be damned by God, rather that "goddamn" was meant to be an expression of emphasis in the vein of "fuckin'", in which case it goes better as "goddam" without the "n".
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

An interesting thing I read somewhere about Distortion: It actually makes the Sound Wave simpler - cuts off the highs & things - more like a uniform electronic synthesizer's soundwave...

- In many cases - they aren't even making guitars out of the same wood anymore ! Those trees are *gone*.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:48pm Mike East:

Literally just got a phone call from Chelsea Guitars...having nothing to do with me buying a telecaster deluxe
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:49pm Robert:

And I was the guy who said he wasn't a fan of this guy's predecessor (the unspoken Tom Scharpling). I tuned in to some of his early shows -- the interview of Bruce Campbell especially -- but didn't care for what the show soon turned into. Monica I'll miss; Scharpling, not especially.
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:49pm LovecraftDude888:

There's a bunch of boutique companies making all kinds of pedals, fuzz, whatever, and still have Electro Harmonix, and companies like that. It's a matter of what you need and what you can afford. Meanwhile i bought a new Fender Mustang I amp and a real Tubescreamer pedal 2 months ago and cannot even use it at new apt., cause of the noise situation. Which is radically sucking. I got an Ibanez TS7 TS pedal with the boost switch was was great. and got it cheap online too. But there's all kinds of pedals and you gotta go play and listen carefully!! In the shop!!
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:50pm LovecraftDude888:

Love and Rockets No BIG DEAL has some good fuzz action
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I've thot L&R creative w/ basically guitar-bass-drums format.
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:51pm Guido (Cologne):

Overdrive "chops off the peaks and valleys of the curves" in the waveform so to say.
So they become "edgy".
Changing it from sine to sawtoth characteristic ... frankly said.
Certainly certain information gets lost.
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:52pm Kim S.:

I like "The Oud and the Fuzz" by John Berberian.
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:52pm LovecraftDude888:

TC pedals are apparently pretty good. EHarmonix.... ibanez TS of course. But you can get multi FX pedals boards like BOSS or Digitech now and that's fine for most things.
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:53pm Kayle in Toronto:

There's that documentary "Fuzz: The Sound that Changed the World" (or something like that) where the dude from ZZ Top is like "I tried the EHX Big Muff and I liked it. Then I tried two and I liked that more. So now I just use six in a row."
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:53pm LovecraftDude888:

Sorry I meant Tech21 my friend who is a pro musician says those are excellent pedals.
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:54pm LovecraftDude888:

yeah some of the pros use multiple pedals or doubling or tripling, or like SRV had two TScreamer pedals set for different things for different songs etc.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:54pm Mike East:

re: Boss DS1 - we've got two at the shop here and I still use it sometimes, but I usually prefer using an amp that has an overdrive channel for my distortion with a Tubescreamer as more of a line boost

@Kayle - I've been wanting to see that for a while now. Gotta move that up the list.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...in the earliest days - those Brit Invasion guys who'd become Gods bult their own guitars - that's drive & industry! - & used their Mum's Radios for amps !
...In the fil 'How the Beatles Rocked the Kremlin' - they speak of this behind the Iron Curtain too.
- You gotta admire that !
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:56pm LovecraftDude888:

the BOSS fuzz pedal gets high marks generally, I"m seeing. I found I could get some natural fuzz grunge out of some small Vox amps even the Pathfinder...but that amp had not a lot of power.
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:56pm mark:

Country fuzz: The Pill Loretta Lynn
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 6:57pm Kayle in Toronto:

@Mike I think a lot of the folks in that movie are WAY too anal about pedals but it's for sure worth watching. I just like to keep my eye out on craigslist for anything that's stupidly cheap and try out different combinations. Found boost/fuzz one built by this CopilotFX guy in the Dominican for maybe $40 CDN and I'll love it forever.
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:57pm Charlie:

Great show. Great Music. I'll be back
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:57pm LovecraftDude888:

Danelectro are ok. I wouldn't say great.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- in the 'Nugget's sorta Garage Rock - it's like the Fuzz actually *cut* the Sustain - like an angry snotty mosquito
- by the time you got this Iron Butterfly post-Hendrix - we're on our way to Metal & things...
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:58pm Lumpy:

You can Google what equipment was used on what records, a lot of this info has been documented. Look into these fuzz variants (now made by various manufacurers): Fuzzrite, Tonebender, Shin Ei Companion, Maestro something-or-other, Superfuzz. I believe the Fuzzrite was used by Iron Butterfly. Understand that everything in your signal chain makes a difference - amp, guitar, pickups, strings, even your playing style. And when you're listening to a record, you're hearing a vintage recording process and then listening back on vinyl. It all makes a difference. Try Youtube as suggested, Google, and maybe think about building your own pedals with kits from General Guitar Gadgets and Build Your Own Clone (dot com)
  Tue. 1/7/14 6:58pm LovecraftDude888:

That assumes one has any tech. skills at all. I wouldn't bother
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:00pm LovecraftDude888:

Those Line6 amps aren't bad neither
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 7:00pm Guido (Cologne):

Link Wray did als slit his speakers.
In Ike Turners band when they did the famous Rocket 88 ...
was it a broken amp or damaged speaker membrane?
The Broques on the flipside of "Miacle Worker", that was also a broken amp.
They never could get that sound after the recording.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:02pm Mike East:

not a fan of Line6 amps...the ones I've played, anyway
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Guido: I heard w/ the Ike Turner - the amp fell off the car or whatever & a tube was loose - viola - Distortion!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...voila...no violas involved.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:04pm LovecraftDude888:

I dunno, my friend Pete was recording with one a few months ago and he loved the Line6...I know, I wasn't that into it compared to the Fender Mustang which I ended up getting instead, purely due to the retro amp models in there, and the OD sound was great, the metal setting sounds like The Smithereens like a JCM stack basically. Great! But now I can't make noise here...grrrrrrr shit sucks hardcore
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Oh yeah! 'Miracle Worker' ! - makes sense...
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:05pm LovecraftDude888:

If you can find an old Ampeg amp, or Reverbrocket reissue those are quite good small amps....but expensive Peavey makes some good modeling amps too I think
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 7:06pm Guido (Cologne):

So best advice:
Don't try to copy other's sound!
Create your own and leave it to others trying to imitate you!
Make something crazy!
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:06pm Lumpy:

I forgot a style of 60s fuzz- the Bosstone. That might have been the Iron Butterfly fuzz actually.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:07pm LovecraftDude888:

nevermind, was gonna say the Vox modeling ones are quite good, if you're into modeling amps, the Vox ToneLab series....some of the best modeling combos. Otherwise you're talking what, $850 for a Vox AC30 or a real tube amp or the Marshall Bluesbreaker amps..the prices are absurd.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:08pm LovecraftDude888:

I have 3 tiny amps practice that gathered dust, cause they only have like one sound...including a Kustom tube practice...which wasn't very good.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- & early 60s Vox - those were SolidState amps - no? Beatles, Yardbirds ??...Rob Zombie likes SolidState??...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:09pm Mike East:

I was thinking of getting an Ampeg Gemini. found some on craigslist for a pretty good price.
Funny you mention Fender Mustang....Chelsea Guitars was calling me about a fender mustang bass...if you were paying attention to my earlier comments, that brings it all around.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:09pm LovecraftDude888:

SuperBeatles amp? All tube for sure, weren't they? Probably. And the early Vox AC30 or 15 all tube
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- only one sound - exactly.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:09pm Mike East:

this conversation could go on and on....
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:09pm LovecraftDude888:

haha those are good basses from what I hear.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:10pm LovecraftDude888:

I know the Velvets loved the Vox amps as well, at least early on
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Boys will be boys.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:11pm LovecraftDude888:

I know someone who used to work at Chelsea Guitars through my family.....now starting his own biz but not sure how it's going so far. He moved out of NYC.....
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:12pm LovecraftDude888:

And remember what Andy Eldritch said about whammy bars.."that prong which can ruin a perfectly good chord"
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 7:13pm Guido (Cologne):

... anyway depends on what you're doing.
I love those cheesy Boss "Heavy/Hyper Metal" for use with bass guitar.
I love multi-amping with different effect sets on each amp.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Pete Townshend claims he put a vibrato arm straight through his palm.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:15pm LovecraftDude888:

Yeah BOSS makes 10 different heavy uber metal pedals, the MetalZone one is apparently quite good, or the DeathMetal one. A lot of people buy the wrong gear not realizing you are not getting a metal sound really out of a TScreamer....all ODs are not equal. Gotta really play things and try them out. And the modeling boxes like BOSS are cool but all solid state...I mean, if you want real analog you gotta buy real analog
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:16pm LovecraftDude888:

Guido...I'm lucky I can even play thru one amp here now....
or even at my prev. apt. Can't make a racket here which is very annoying indeed. So I had the Fender Mustang going with the TS and that was it. But it's modeling. Good enough to make an ungodly noise.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:17pm LovecraftDude888:

There's always the headphones. Also the Vox mini headphone amps are app. ok.
  Tue. 1/7/14 7:18pm LovecraftDude888:

I bought one of those mini Fender Blues Deluxe the battery op. one and it is awful!
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 7:20pm Guido (Cologne):

I bother my neighbours enough with my accoustic playing.
So you can guess about my "distorted" home-music.
Avatar Tue. 1/7/14 7:26pm Sigurdur:

cool brother
Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/7/14 7:27pm Mike East:

  Fri. 1/10/14 2:29pm Greg G.:

Hey, Chris. Regarding your quest for equipment that will produce a fuzztone guitar sound, I can't help. However, as a record hoarder with OCD (Obsessive Collector's Disorder) I am here to give you the hookup on a couple of blog posts that highlight the best fuzztone records ever and, believe it or not, they're all country records! Dig in.


Avatar Swag For Life Member Tue. 1/14/14 7:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...story of amp falling off the car & a loose tube creating Proto-Fuzz might've been Johnny Burnette on 'Train Kept a Rollin'' actually...who knows...
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