Playlist for The Media Squat with Douglas Rushkoff - August 3, 2009

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August 3, 2009: Capitalism Debate: Howard Bloom vs. Douglas Rushkoff

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ramones  We Want the Airwaves   Anthology: Hey Ho, Let's Go!   
The Adicts  Eyes In The Back Of Your Head   sound of music  Razor Records 
Ramones  We Want the Airwaves   Anthology: Hey Ho, Let's Go!   

Listener comments!

Mon. 8/3/09 6:03pm From: annie

listening...

Mon. 8/3/09 6:03pm From: Charles-A.

Here we are...

Mon. 8/3/09 6:04pm From: Charles-A.

Hello annie

Mon. 8/3/09 6:05pm From: annie

just sent you and message suggesting a show..

Mon. 8/3/09 6:06pm From: annie

hi charles!!

Mon. 8/3/09 6:06pm From: Charles-A.

Testimonials to Testament...

Mon. 8/3/09 6:07pm From: Charles-A.

Thanks annie.

We will look at it. :-)

Mon. 8/3/09 6:08pm From: annie

charles, it's an old story, with a new dvd release in september.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:09pm From: annie

i signed it "radicalmom"

Mon. 8/3/09 6:10pm From: Charles-A.

DVD? Sounds like we might very well want a look.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:11pm From: Charles-A.

"radicalmom' Okay...

Mon. 8/3/09 6:12pm From: Brian Oregon

I've made several suggestions and gotten no responses, which is discouraging.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:14pm From: Janine

Brian,
WE have added all your suggestions and will surely use them. We just had lots ofother shows lined up. But I assure you that they are all being seen by all of us and are being considered. ;) soon come

Mon. 8/3/09 6:14pm From: Charles-A.

Don't give up Brian O' its usually a guestion of what fits in.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:15pm From: annie

my suggestion is covering the premier of the release od loosechange911- and american coup. dylan's final oeuvre.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:16pm From: Brian Oregon

Ok -- thanks for letting me know.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:17pm From: Janine

The show is endless...and our google doc is becoming extremely large with ideas.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:18pm From: Charles-A.

Any system of currency just requires agreement on their value.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:19pm From: Caroline

I would be interested to hear Douglas and his guest discuss high frequency trading...seems like the computers are the ones running the market now.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:23pm From: Charles-A.

You're right because trading systems didn't scale. Manual systems couldn't have got us into the mess. We needed computers to have that kind of throughput.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:27pm From: Brian Oregon

Length of life is very different than quality of life. Harold's values are not necessarily the values of others.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:30pm From: Brian Oregon

Also, "average lifespan" is misleading because if many die in youth it pulls down the average. The real questions are (1) infant mortaility, and (2) average lifespan of those who survive to adulthood.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:30pm From: Charles-A.

Clothing and parasites reminds of a book I read. "Survival of the Sickest" by Sharon Moalem.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:31pm From: Caroline

Slave labor played a big role in making cotton so cheap...I don't call that "savings" even tho' it looks like in on paper

Mon. 8/3/09 6:32pm From: Brian Oregon

Yes, imperialism makes life better for those at the top of the pyramid. But it also rots their self-righteous souls as it depends on others being lower on the pyramid.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:34pm From: Charles-A.

We are extremely social creatures. Advertising is competitive.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:38pm From: Charles-A.

The problem with the Middle East is all the meddling we've done there. Mossadeh is just the previous, democratically elected, occupant of something that became The Peacock Throne under the Shah.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:39pm From: Brian Oregon

Dinka and Nuer wearing t-shirts shows how great capitalism is? Huh?

Mon. 8/3/09 6:41pm From: Brian Oregon

Dinka and Nuer people were very tall, much taller than us on average, before they wore t-shirts.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:41pm From: Charles-A.

You have to watch out for "the Noblesse Oblige" of the "White Man's Burden"

Mon. 8/3/09 6:42pm From: Charles-A.

Capitalism is the most equitable reward mechanism.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:45pm From: Charles-A.

The "Accountants of the Soul" NEVER GET IT!

Mon. 8/3/09 6:45pm From: Brian Oregon

Capitalism is stacked in favor of the small minority with the large majority of the wealth. The "merit" in the meritocracy of capitalism consists of skills that concentrate power in fewer hands.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:48pm From: palmalouch

I've been listening to you for half hour what's your point

Mon. 8/3/09 6:53pm From: Caroline

Seems like Howard is more concerned with end result while Douglas is more concerned with process. Question is, where is the boundary of what we will allow in the name of progress?

Mon. 8/3/09 6:53pm From: Brian Oregon

An uncharitable interpretation of his point is that he likes being rich and thinks he deserves it.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:55pm From: Charles-A.

Its too bad we can't put in HTML 'cause I have some images of Dinka and Nuer wearing t-shirts.

Mon. 8/3/09 6:58pm From: Charles-A.

Its just talk by smart people, like our commenters. :-)

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